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simonk
23 Jul 13 18:43
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I was lucky enough to get an accumulator up on Sunday with william hill. On being paid out I noticed a deduction. On checking I saw that there were 3 non runners in the final leg the 4.35 at tipperary. I put the bet on at 3.39. They say the deduction is for all bets made between 10.22 and 3.45. When I put the bet on I'm sure some of the non runners had already been withdrawn. Am I right to think that I shouldn't have payment reduced for the already declared non runners or am I wrong?
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Report s.kenbo July 23, 2013 7:12 PM BST
Deductions on all bets made between 10.22 and 3.45, you placed your bet at 3.39. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
Report swift-tuttle July 23, 2013 7:44 PM BST
depends on whether the market (from which you took your prices) had been reformed before 3.39
Report ima_mazed66 July 23, 2013 8:01 PM BST
It's pretty straight forward if you take Hills word for it s.kenbo but what the OP is alluding to is that by 3:39 some of the NRs were already known and reading into that maybe all of them even.

What the punter is less likely to ever know and therefore have to go on the bookies say so unless taking it further is the exact times that NRs were taken out and at what times new markets were formed. If say the NRs were know by 3:35 and a new market was formed then why say between 10:22 and 3:45? I'm not saying that was the case here but is just for example purposes.
Report s.kenbo July 23, 2013 8:34 PM BST
Are you suggesting that bookies are less than honest!

Its quite a specific time frame 10.42am-3.45pm, which makes me think that a new book was formed at 3.45pm.
It seems the OP has got his acca up and is now after more money, looking at the result of the race it was an evens fav, what price was the reduction?
I'm guessing he had a 4 horse acca at least, otherwise he would have said double, treble etc, so any man who get an acca up in 61 minutes needn't worry about a rule 4 imo.
Report simonk July 23, 2013 8:34 PM BST
ima that is my point. I've asked them when non runners were declared and what prices they were at the time. I can't believe that if a horse was withdrawn at 10.22 that the market wouldn't have been reformed by 3.39.
Report poorpup July 23, 2013 8:36 PM BST
put a call out for windsor boy,he will help u with the rule 4 rules
Report simonk July 23, 2013 8:38 PM BST
s.kenbo happy with what I won but querying if it is right. Of course I'm after more money if I've been paid wrongly. Don't see what is wrong with that. If I've been paid correctly then no problem but just a nagging doubt which is why I posted.
Report s.kenbo July 23, 2013 8:43 PM BST
How much was deducted?
Report simonk July 23, 2013 8:56 PM BST
A few thousand!
Report s.kenbo July 23, 2013 9:01 PM BST
I meant rule 4 deduction, but fook me that's a bit of a difference.
Report simonk July 23, 2013 9:05 PM BST
I know! But that isn't the point. Regardless of size I just want to know if I'm being fiddled.
Report s.kenbo July 23, 2013 9:13 PM BST
I've had a look online and can't find any withdrawal times.

I would phone them up and query though.
Report simonk July 23, 2013 9:20 PM BST
I'm just waiting for their email reply. Can't find withdrawal times either but all 3 can't have been in the 6 minutes after I placed the bet.
Report swift-tuttle July 23, 2013 9:36 PM BST
simon what price did you take in your acca for Sizing Symphony, the winner of the 4:35?

I see that the SP was evens
Report simonk July 23, 2013 9:46 PM BST
5/4
Report swift-tuttle July 23, 2013 9:53 PM BST
so the amended price must have been

5/4 * 9/10 = 45/40 (9/8)

a 10p deduction

because a 20p deduction is evens and they cannot go below SP

I see one of the non runners (Carlos Fandango) had some form so that is probably the reason if that one was withdrawn after your bet
Report s.kenbo July 23, 2013 9:54 PM BST
Was it in shop or online?
Report s.kenbo July 23, 2013 9:59 PM BST
You must have won somewhere in the region of £30k then if a 10p r4 equates to a few grand?
Report simonk July 23, 2013 10:11 PM BST
They are saying it is a 15p reduction. S.kenbo yes it was a big win!
Report simonk July 23, 2013 10:12 PM BST
online
Report Sheikh Handsman Al Mac's Tomb July 23, 2013 10:12 PM BST
email oddschecker, they'll give you the times the bookies declared non-runners, made new books live etc.
Report s.kenbo July 23, 2013 10:16 PM BST
There was a thread on here a few weeks ago regarding Hills, a horse got withdrawn with a 10p rule 4, Hills deducted all their customers 15p, after a few phone calls they gave in apparently and paid out at 10p.

Well done on a big though. CoolCool
Report s.kenbo July 23, 2013 10:27 PM BST
* big win
Report elisjohn July 23, 2013 10:32 PM BST
don't know if this helps, but ive looked up on 365 site they quote a rule 4 15p prior 3.52
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