John Pegley the tic tac man.

John Pegley .....

King of the 'Knock-Out'. 

At least it's not just me that knew that onlooker!

He pushed one out at Epsom one day and we were all wondering wtf was going on. It won of course.

They did not NEED to all Win, though.

5/2 chances starting 5/1 - and being backed Each Way.

Some of the more ridiculous ones would be 9/4 out to 13/2 - and the like.

thought  SID KIKI  was the man for that at the dogs

That slide went 11/4 to 5/1 in about a minute before the off! I'll be darned if I can remember the name of the horse though.

going back a long way here   Charlton dogs

What dog track pete?

There used to be about 10 tic tacs working at Catford when I was a regular there.

was not a tick tack but a bookie
he worked  Charlton and I saw him at slough
said it was a long time ago slippy

I thought that Terry Myers was the "knock out" king?

Charlton a bit before my time Pete. My old trainer was at New Cross in the 60's.
Brixton had a dog track as did Wandsworth. The game is in a right state now. When Walthamstow closed I was done with it and will probably never own a dog again.

I always thought that Pegley was a Bookie, too.

He ended up working on his own didn't he?

Think they worked in tandem - stewarts.

Well - logically, there would HAVE to be more than one, anyway - a few in fact - to get the SP Returned so high.

He was on the rails.

used to go all over years ago slippy loved derby when at the city.
  only went to Wimbledon once and that was me done with the derby
aint been to the dogs for many years now '
strange when you loved something so much and now has no attraction

What i meant was that he ended up running his pitch on his own, no clerk, no footman, no tic-tac, but having said that it could have been Steven Little!

Some of my best sporting memories involve greyhounds. My username is a bit if a clue!
I'd love to have a dog again but it's just not there for me anymore. I hate what Wimbledon has become

Here's my namesake doing the business in 1990. I've watched this a thousand times!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfrNW2zylXk

he would often be seen wearing a pair of shoes that could have just come from out of a skip

Used to love Catford dogs, some happy, drunken memories from there.

You would have stood next to me on the terraces B.U. at some stage, I never missed a meeting there for 20 years.

More than likely then Slippy, was very young at the time, all drink and mouth, probably ruining it for the "proper" crowd. We live and learn though

Indeed we do, part of growing up. The main layer John Humphries used to ask me to mark his card. I refused on principle..

Pegley used to bet on the rails, my other half sometimes got involved

in 'putting on' for him, some of the 'knockouts' were so blatant it was

laughable, 2/1 out to 5/1 e/w at S/P

Pegley owned a few ?

When John Pegley was plying his trade it was a real struggle/virtually impossible to make it pay on the rails so they had to try something but don't forget plenty of those "knock outs" were never sighted,nice bloke though,he sold out as soon as buying and selling came in.

Slippy.Do you remember these 3 beauties at New Cross

Muswell Matador,The Grange Gem & Aughadown Lady.

I was at Brighton many years ago for an evening meeting and Pegley had a runner - someone asked him if he thought it would win & he said the only way it would win is if he chased it round the course with a shotgun ! Well he didn't need to as it bolted up !  - happy days

John once tried syndicating a few horses to be trained in France.

The last time I spoke to him he was doing silver plating; re-plating ESPN stuff. Mind you, that was over 15 years ago. Always think of him when I drive to Petworth and see the sign for Kirdford.

The knock out was instigated by Maxie Parker ande the 1st horse they got money out of was at Yarmouth.

Maxie Parker then became the owner of Ladbrokes and when he retired his nephew Cyril Stein became the boss.

The knockout was in operation also at the dogs mainly at Hendon and Hackney Wick where the main operator

was Taxi driver **** Bookmaker named Eddy Selby.  The knockout was costing betting shops so much money

that people who betting shop managers were at it could only back dogs 1st show.  Happy memories.

the word that has been deleted was the word come spelt differently.

I just knew you would have known John Pegley Mr.E. I hope you and the family are ok mate. My bro has bought a cracking pub near Box Hill, I'll get Christian to come as well and we'll meet up for a beer one day this Summer. I'd like that.

You could always hear John Pegley shouting the odds in the days when the betting ring was exciting.
I found him quite polite unlike some on the rails and I think he put together his multiple ew offcourse bets with some skill, which he did augmented with the help of a few "knockouts."

ribero, was Pegley the one man band?

John was very easily heard at the races, when shouting his prices he sounded a bit like a headmaster, likeable chap but didnt really fancy embracing the new wave style game as it now.

Cant blame him for that tbh, i liked and got on well with him.

he had an each way double at lingfield just for the place money they both won at 16 and 33.

got the royal jewels.

Yes wee eck,a lot of the time,bet down near the bottom of the rail at York.

Pegley was a one man band for some time, shouting the odds more vocally than most and doing his own clerking.

John would actually admit he was trying to ease the price of a horse when I approached him for a wedge. "Leave it a minute, John", he would say "and we'll all get on!"

In his later years on course he would complain that the game was gone and that he wanted out.

wee eck, interesting you mention Maxie Parker, he had a shop in Poland street in the West End where I worked as a trainee settler in the 60s.
I trust you are keeping well.

sparrow, thanks for asking about my state of health, I am coping ok.

That shop in Poland st. would have been a goldmine, the brass nails

out all night flogging their knob magnets and the ponces in the betting

shops all day blowing the takings.

Was a busy shop alright. My abiding memory of the place was the day of the Dagenham Coup, absolute uproar in the shop. Happy days.
Glad you are coping ok in this weather.

I was in a betting shop in oldhill st stamford that afternoon and one old boy he must have

been 80 had a regular bet of a two bob ew forecast on trap numbers i and 2 as you know the

forecast paid over £2000 and because the old boy had this bet meeting after meeting the nmanager

paid him there and then, by the end of the week the manager had got the sack.. The shop

was owned by Burns and Downes, Sam Burns was a boxing promoter and Terry Downes was an ex World

champion middleweight fighter

I knew the manager of Corals in Poland Street, Sir Clement Freud was one of the regulars at that time. She hated him coming in as she was always terrified he would write a story about her in The Sporting Life He was a lovely bloke I have to say.

It paid a little less, wee eck. Just £987 and a few shillings. Your old boy must have been the only one paid in that coup. My Grandmother lived round the corner to Oldhill Street in those flats called Broad Common House. I well remember Downes and Burns.

Sad to say I would not have known who Clement Freud was in those days. I later became a great fan of his and really miss his articles. He once wrote a hilarious one about a trip to Hackney Wick Dogs in the Life.

sparrow, the old fellow might have had it four 4 bob

Even better,wee eck. Times it by about 15 in today's money.

CALLING .......werbie................I was there that night ...8/1 ?......he had ..........sort of a grey suit..........he was "standing up"

Wonder if wee eck is still going, think was in his 80s about this time, a good old thread.

Good memories on that thread, stewarts.

was wee eck from newcastle

mad dog.....He lived in Newcastle but came originally from Stoke Newington.

How comes you Eastenders end up  ooop North

i know he was not well my friend hes 95 has known him for over 50 years has tried phoning him for some time no answer

Sparrow
have you spoke to him lately
stay safe
Ronnie.

Last time I spoke to him on the phone he was recovering from a serious operation but have heard nothing since I'm afraid.

That was year or two ago I think, Ronnie.