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Looked to be a big crowd in middle of course on saturday.
Does anyone know how many bookmakers were there and what business was like?
Does anyone know how many bookmakers were there and what business was like?
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Sorry cant remember the name, but was about in the middle of the row in front of the old low level stand.
I go racing at least once a week - for a day out with my pals - the comments from unbiased and barstool are right on the money.
The prices just change automatically without any input from the bookmaker - all along the line the prices are virtually the same - we (my pals and me) would all hate to see the bookies disappear from the course but there is no denying that the colour and buzz has gone from the ring.
Betfair is the problem but it is not going to go away - bookies no longer have to make a tissue - nobody has an opinion anymore.
I should add that Betfair has helped my punting enormously but as far as on course is concerned there has been a price to pay .....
The prices just change automatically without any input from the bookmaker - all along the line the prices are virtually the same - we (my pals and me) would all hate to see the bookies disappear from the course but there is no denying that the colour and buzz has gone from the ring.
Betfair is the problem but it is not going to go away - bookies no longer have to make a tissue - nobody has an opinion anymore.
I should add that Betfair has helped my punting enormously but as far as on course is concerned there has been a price to pay .....
thats what you decent bookies are fighting
the general feeling of mistrust and sharp practises that these charlatans bring into the ring.
have they never heard of customer service
the general feeling of mistrust and sharp practises that these charlatans bring into the ring.
have they never heard of customer service
How I pine for the old chalk boards. A price would "go" yet there would still be someone there prepared to lay it. Remember often being assured "don't worry you will all get on "
This is what the ring is missing, a few characters prepared to tempt the punters in.
This is what the ring is missing, a few characters prepared to tempt the punters in.
barstool
10 Jun 13 14:29
I had the same experience at Ripon last week. 3/1 on the board, I asked for 3 twenties. The price changed to 11/4 has she had the
money in her hand and she said to me "you can have your money back if you don't want 11/4. I took my money back and we went home.
That is just way beyond despicable, that's not a bookmaker. The old school layers like Stephen Little for example who the old timers on here will no doubt remember would never dream of behaviour like that. I would have properly kicked off and made a scene if that happened to me.
10 Jun 13 14:29
I had the same experience at Ripon last week. 3/1 on the board, I asked for 3 twenties. The price changed to 11/4 has she had the
money in her hand and she said to me "you can have your money back if you don't want 11/4. I took my money back and we went home.
That is just way beyond despicable, that's not a bookmaker. The old school layers like Stephen Little for example who the old timers on here will no doubt remember would never dream of behaviour like that. I would have properly kicked off and made a scene if that happened to me.
quite right bar stool
you could stand in front of the bookmakers do your mental arithmatic and most times work out if your
fancy was going to go out in price or if you had better grab the odds on show.
in fairness to the books it must be pointed out that the slaveish following of betfair has slashed
their profit margins and the old bit of value we all used to scuttle about looking for has been given
to us for free in most cases.
the problem facing the books is that betfair gives even better value without all the expences of going
to the course the offices will give you BOG double result proper ew terms etc.
most people who go and watch live sport go for the atmosphere once the buzz starts to go for you you might as well stop at home and take advantage of the wall to wall overage thats available now a days
you could stand in front of the bookmakers do your mental arithmatic and most times work out if your
fancy was going to go out in price or if you had better grab the odds on show.
in fairness to the books it must be pointed out that the slaveish following of betfair has slashed
their profit margins and the old bit of value we all used to scuttle about looking for has been given
to us for free in most cases.
the problem facing the books is that betfair gives even better value without all the expences of going
to the course the offices will give you BOG double result proper ew terms etc.
most people who go and watch live sport go for the atmosphere once the buzz starts to go for you you might as well stop at home and take advantage of the wall to wall overage thats available now a days
agreed slippy , it isn't it's a girl that knows a horse has four legs and nothing more. the person who altered the price was probably 20 yards away
I can add that if you backed with me you would have got the price you wanted even without asking but I can't speak for others.
and the prices all being the same is because they are all price matching the exchange [ or close to it ] what do you want them to do
in the old days everyone would be 9/4 , unbiased , and your friend would have found pleasure pinching 5/2. NOW THEY ARE ALL 5/2 and nobodies happy
I can add that if you backed with me you would have got the price you wanted even without asking but I can't speak for others.
and the prices all being the same is because they are all price matching the exchange [ or close to it ] what do you want them to do
in the old days everyone would be 9/4 , unbiased , and your friend would have found pleasure pinching 5/2. NOW THEY ARE ALL 5/2 and nobodies happy
As said adge,you fail to see the punter's view,and wrongly assume things .Ask yourself why some want multiple pitches.
could discuss for ever but soory , gotta go , off to southwell
You do fractions as well adge no doubt, you're old school 
I agree with "unbiased" no completion all the board change at the same time the only difference is which bookie is offering the correct EW terms. I remember years ago an old bookie standing on the end in tatts at Chester offering top price on every fav he made an absolute fortune. Big Cahooners in those days.
I am wonder how many bookies study the form now and bet their own opinion. Not many I guess. Too easy to lay 4/1 on course then bet it on here at 5/1.
do you lot just set out for a days racing to find those who will knock you back if the price has gone ?
there are plenty of books who will lay a fair bet to whoever is in the cue even when its gone on the exchange,there are also plenty who lay fractions.
barstool was that tuesday or Wednesday night at ripon ?
there are plenty of books who will lay a fair bet to whoever is in the cue even when its gone on the exchange,there are also plenty who lay fractions.
barstool was that tuesday or Wednesday night at ripon ?
BARSTOOL,KEEP TAKING THE TABLETS,PUNTERS HAVE NEVER EVER HAD IT SO GOOD AS THEY HAVE NOW AND THATS A FACT,GRANTED THE MAJORITY OF THE RINGS ARE COMMISSION AGENTS,VERY FEW LAYERS LEFT,BUT FROM A PUNTING POINT OF VIEW THE RACECOURSE LAYERS ARE THE BEST VALUE IN THE WORLD,NO COMMISSION,NO PREMIUM CHARGE,BIGGER THAN THE MACHINE,HOPE THIS HELPS
factmachine, I was refused 16 ponies on course recently when it was 17.0 on here and he had 16/1 showing on his board. He looked to see if he could fiddle and when he couldn't (I knew the price on here) he said no...!
SLIPPY U SHOULD HAVE REPORTED THE COMMISSION AGENT TO THE RING BIZZIE(NOTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BUT IF ENOUGH PEOPLE COMPLAIN??)1.01 THE SAID AGENT WAS BETTING ON THE FRONT LINE AS WELL
Foxy, Tuesday afternoon. I was not trying to sneak a price. It was the bookie who wanted to nick the quarter point.
Factmachine-- I think you may have contradicted yourself.
Factmachine-- I think you may have contradicted yourself.
barstool
I had a day out myself last Tuesday at ripon and I don't remember a female on the 2nd row ,I might be wrong perhaps ribero could confirm either way.
I had a day out myself last Tuesday at ripon and I don't remember a female on the 2nd row ,I might be wrong perhaps ribero could confirm either way.
BARSTOOL,THE LAYERS OFFER THE BEST VALUE/PRICES ON THE PLANET,CRYSTAL CLEAR,COME RACING.
I'd rather not name names to be honest with you, bit distasteful to do so on here although I probably should.
I was brought up like many of you with old school layers, not this modern lot who won't take a view.
I was brought up like many of you with old school layers, not this modern lot who won't take a view.
I don't think many people mind the flimpers in the ring as the other books usually just get on with their own thing...... but the stories that crop up on here are a total farce ( a knock back for 16 ponies, £20 refused at 14 cos it was 14 on the machine and a whole list of others) and give the people who actually want to have a go at making a book at the track a bad name.....
It really is time to somehow differentiate the proper bookmakers in the ring compared to the Flimpers, I think somebody suggested a colour coded flag on the joint before...
It really is time to somehow differentiate the proper bookmakers in the ring compared to the Flimpers, I think somebody suggested a colour coded flag on the joint before...
As Fact correctly states,the punter has never had it so good.God knows what the bookie is doing offering 16/1 when it's 17 on here but if Slippy had looked around he would have found some other idiot offering 15/1.
Pre exchange you'd have been lucky to have found 12/1 and been ecstatic if you'd got got 14s!
Pre exchange you'd have been lucky to have found 12/1 and been ecstatic if you'd got got 14s!
Far too many slaves to the machine in the ring these days Ribero.
factmachine is in denial as usual ....
We punters have never had it so good is true but only because we were being ripped off with 130/140% over rounds before Betfair arrived on the scene.
We punters have never had it so good is true but only because we were being ripped off with 130/140% over rounds before Betfair arrived on the scene.
People on here would only be happy if we bet over broke giving them 20/1 so they could lay 12 on here.as if that's gonna happen.keep dreaming.
Betfair layers offer a 106% book (including commission ),in the last 10mins of most races,on course bookies/commission agents offer nothing close to that.
Betfair app getting better. Better wi fi and cellular connectivity on the way should mean betting on course through a mobile becomes simple
and effective for on course punters.
Betfair app getting better. Better wi fi and cellular connectivity on the way should mean betting on course through a mobile becomes simple
and effective for on course punters.
Tinkler- get the 'zoombet lite' app for betfair. Much quicker than the betfair app
BETFAIR LIQUIDITY AN UTTER JOKE AND GETTING WORSE,PLACE MARKET NOW NON EXISTENT,IN RUNNING MARKETS NOW NON EXISTENT,BIGGER THAN THE BETFAIR ON HORSES THAT HAVE ANY CHANCE OF WINNING ONCOURSE,NO COMMISSION WITH ONCOURSE LAYERS,NO PREMIUM CHARGE WITH ONCOURSE LAYERS,NO BOTS WITH ONCOURSE LAYERS AND U CAN GET MORE THAN £12 ON,COME RACING
Three fractions bets layed at Chester on Saturday
No qualms watsoeva
Proper place terms every race even when plenty betting a fifth
On the two big handicaps such a shame
No qualms watsoeva
Proper place terms every race even when plenty betting a fifth
On the two big handicaps such a shame
The liquidity on here v poor
I tried to lay the first jolly on bdq
Prior to setting off had 200 up at 2.88 got
It matched after about an hr
When most firms goin 6/4
I tried to lay the first jolly on bdq
Prior to setting off had 200 up at 2.88 got
It matched after about an hr
When most firms goin 6/4
Stupid price to start with
Takes forever to pay out
Pound ew at fifteen to eight
Takes forever to pay out
Pound ew at fifteen to eight
Thanks cj ,will try that. Liquidity on here is high in the last 10 mins of action. Nearly 1/2 million traded on a group 3 race a couple a weeks ago
before it went in running. Fact machine if its 15/8 on course then 99 times out of a 100 it will be bigger on Betfair unless your suggesting the on
course bookies are running a 106% book.
before it went in running. Fact machine if its 15/8 on course then 99 times out of a 100 it will be bigger on Betfair unless your suggesting the on
course bookies are running a 106% book.
ALL THE TRACKS I ATTEND ARE BIGGER THAN THE MACHINE,AND U CAN HAVE MORE THAN £12 ON,CHECK HAYDOCK OUT WEDS,GOOD LUCK
no tinkler it's the favourite that is bigger on course than the exchange not ALL the horses.
but even so some bet to less than 1% per runner so yes , in small fields bigger than your 106% book is common
but even so some bet to less than 1% per runner so yes , in small fields bigger than your 106% book is common
If all the tracks you attend Factmachine ,are bigger than the machine then they would be saturated with Albers.
Adge so your saying its okay for punters to bet on course only if they want to back the favourite or in races with small fields?
The only way the on course bookies can offer anything to the punter is if they operate within a 106% on all races ,otherwise it's factual
poorer value. Not much margin for error but surely someone's skilled enough to do it, the 120-140% books are the work of greedy leeches.
If the off course layers can make a living off a 101% book ,then it tells you the skill level of the on course bookies that they rarely get
anywhere near it. There's no point in bookies defending their positions on here ,punters have been on course and seen the odds on offer with
their own eyes.
Adge so your saying its okay for punters to bet on course only if they want to back the favourite or in races with small fields?
The only way the on course bookies can offer anything to the punter is if they operate within a 106% on all races ,otherwise it's factual
poorer value. Not much margin for error but surely someone's skilled enough to do it, the 120-140% books are the work of greedy leeches.
If the off course layers can make a living off a 101% book ,then it tells you the skill level of the on course bookies that they rarely get
anywhere near it. There's no point in bookies defending their positions on here ,punters have been on course and seen the odds on offer with
their own eyes.
which off course layers make a living from a 101% book.? i'm confused.
and I can't remember the last time I bet to 120% plus on any race. maybe the last one was the grand national
and , yes , we do want punte to see the odds on offer with their own eyes. better still bring your ipad or phone so that you can compare prices
and I can't remember the last time I bet to 120% plus on any race. maybe the last one was the grand national
and , yes , we do want punte to see the odds on offer with their own eyes. better still bring your ipad or phone so that you can compare prices
I VERY RARELY BET IN THE RING NOW ILL USE ME PHONE .......I JUST GOT BORED WITH SEEING AS PUNTERS DOO SEEING THE PRICE CHANGE EN-BLOC....ASKING FOR THE ADVERTISED 11-10 AND BEING OFFERD EVENS
PEOPLE SAY ON HERE ........................NAME NAMES ..............IF IT HAPPENS MY QUESTION IS WHAT WILL FOLLOW?
WE CAN ALL GET BY PAYING PAYING 40 NICKER A WEEK BOARD ....MUST BE GETTING HARD NOW
I can't understand why any punter at a racecourse MIDWEEK would ever want to bet with other than a course bookmaker
the win price is the same or better on course with all short ones [ allowing for commission ] on every race.
the bigger priced horses are smaller than exchanges but if the punter wants each way at 10/1 or so which they normally do the bookmaker often has a bigger place proportion...and as you can bet place only on course the value is there too.
the win price is the same or better on course with all short ones [ allowing for commission ] on every race.
the bigger priced horses are smaller than exchanges but if the punter wants each way at 10/1 or so which they normally do the bookmaker often has a bigger place proportion...and as you can bet place only on course the value is there too.
tinkler- You'll find that the average GROSS operating margin of on course books is around 8-12 %. As Adge suggests, why not take your ipad/phone to any racetrack...especially northern ones...and compare available prices/value.If you are prepared to be objective about your research, your findings will suggest..accounting for commission.. that for horses 6/1 or less the value is MAINLY in the ring...for horses between 6/1 and 10/1, the ring is highly competitive....and for horses 10/1 or over the value is MAINLY on exchanges.On that basis, anybody who likes to back outsiders to small stakes is most definitely better off at home on the exchanges,complaining about the on course value...alternatively,anybody who prefers betting the front two or three to a few quid is MOST DEFINITELY better off having a punt in the ring...especially with the likes of Adge and Factmachine. 
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WHAT ABOUT THEM THAT DONT BET EW .....14-1 ON THE BOARD AND ITS 17.0 ON THE MACHINE .......DONT THEY TURN UP OR EXIOST IN PERSON OR PEOPLES IMAGINANATION
if I can go back to the unbiased point of yesterday regarding his friend
he says all the books were 5/2 and as he watched they all altered to 9/4. why was he watching and not taking the 5/2 [ which he missed ], well there can only be one answer , that he wanted 11/4.
but if the price went out to 11/4 it would with all books so then what would he do then , take the 11/4 or wait for someone to go 3/1 .
punters want the same price commission free with on course books but when they are offered it they are still not happy . is there never an occasion when they miss a price on here when it shortens or doesn't that count
he says all the books were 5/2 and as he watched they all altered to 9/4. why was he watching and not taking the 5/2 [ which he missed ], well there can only be one answer , that he wanted 11/4.
but if the price went out to 11/4 it would with all books so then what would he do then , take the 11/4 or wait for someone to go 3/1 .
punters want the same price commission free with on course books but when they are offered it they are still not happy . is there never an occasion when they miss a price on here when it shortens or doesn't that count
they are better off on here , johnny , as long as they don't want much on
IF ID MISSED THE 5-2 THEN TOOK 9-4 IT GOES OFF 15-8 ID BE HAPPY
I layed a £20 / £10 once and left the price on the board!
WAS AT HEXHAM THE OTHER WEEK(WHEN WE HAD SOME RESULTS)THE JOLLY WAS 3.65 TO BACK ON HERE AND I WAS DISPLAYING 11/4 ON MY BOARD,WHICH AT THE TIME WAS THE BIGGEST PRICE ON THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH,A PUNTER CAME UP TO ME AND SAID "DO U WANT TO LAY A THREE FOR ONE"I WOULDNT BE SUITABLE AT THIS HOUR TO WRITE DOWN WHAT I SAID TO HIM,THE POINT BEING SOME PEOPLE ARE NEVER HAPPY.
BUT ON HERE IF U WANT LETS SAY 300 QUID AT 5-2 U SHUD GET IT ......NOW THE QUESTION IS ,WHAT %%% OF THE BETTTING PUBLIC ARE BELOW THE £300 STAKING LINE............BECAUSE MY GUESS IS ABOUT 98....
REMEMBER "YOU CANT BE ON WHEN ITS GONE" BIGGER THAN THE MACHINE,COME RACING.MY NEW AT LEAST 10% BIGGER THAN CHESTERBET SIGNS MIGHT BE READY FOR THE NEXT CHESTER MEET
NORFOLK HOW MANY TIMES U LAID THAT BET CAUSE THATS THE 6TH TIME YOUVE POSTED THAT
IF U WANT £300 ON HERE U "SHOULD"GET IT,CLASSICI THINK IVE WET MYSELF AGAIN
CLASSICI THINK IVE WET MYSELF AGAIN
PAT IVE THREW UM STRAIGHT IN THE BIN,NEW Y FRONTS REQUIRED
NO CRUNCHIE FOR YOU FRIDAY ...AS FOR YA SCORE .....
johnnywilkinson • June 11, 2013 10:50 AM BST
NORFOLK HOW MANY TIMES U LAID THAT BET CAUSE THATS THE 6TH TIME YOUVE POSTED THAT
You mean, i've layed a £120 / £60, i'd better have some 15/8 back!
NORFOLK HOW MANY TIMES U LAID THAT BET CAUSE THATS THE 6TH TIME YOUVE POSTED THAT
You mean, i've layed a £120 / £60, i'd better have some 15/8 back!
Hope you havent got those signs printed yet, you can do a bit better - ChesterBet is 10%(9/10) worse than the SP, so the SP is 11%(10/9) better than ChesterBet
Morning Lord Facts, remember that before you do your signs, you may not always be 10% more than ChesterBet, unless of course you are offering this as a 'price guarantee'
MORNING LORD GARFORTH,99 TIMES OUT OF 100 IS ALMOST ALWAYS
WHY CANT WE HAVE ON COURSE BOOKIES OFFERING .....IF IT GOES OFF BIGGER U GET THE PRICE .....50-20 IT RETURNS 3-1 U GET 80 BACK ,,,,,,,THAT SOUNDS BETTER
I CANT WAIT TILL FRIDAY NIGHT ,,,,,FOR ONCE ITS GONNA BE GREAT TO GO HOME SKINT
johnny , that's already offered . I believe it's the "fair price" initiative
MY NEW AT LEAST 10% BIGGER THAN CHESTERBET SIGNS
so if I have 150/50 with you and it drifts out & the Chesterbet divi is £5.50 (SP 5/1), I'm in for a nice brucie bonus?
so if I have 150/50 with you and it drifts out & the Chesterbet divi is £5.50 (SP 5/1), I'm in for a nice brucie bonus?
Theirs a Stan jamess shop in tatts @ Chester now ...Best Odds on certain races
ST NICHOLAS ABBEY • June 11, 2013 11:30 AM BST
Theirs a Stan jamess shop in tatts @ Chester now ...Best Odds on certain races
Perhaps on-course bookmakers could erect their joints outside the high street bookmakers shops?
Theirs a Stan jamess shop in tatts @ Chester now ...Best Odds on certain races
Perhaps on-course bookmakers could erect their joints outside the high street bookmakers shops?
Some books offer fair price to get punters,i see plenty of punters who used to have a bet with me now bet with itk's firm or missile,in fact missile seems to base his whole business strategy on this.itk's mob can obviously stand for it but imo missile has no chance.
st nic,
I just wonder how much rent stan james have to pay chester to compete with the wonderful chesterbet model
I just wonder how much rent stan james have to pay chester to compete with the wonderful chesterbet model
Looking at the comments on here, what is evident is that some are thinking about their business strategy and how they can define themselves from their fellow bookmakers, commission agents, flimpers call them what ever you want, technology is the killer and in a few years time it simply wont be good enough on the non-busy days (which will only increase) and expect the punter to give you their bang...... you gotta do something to get it and those forward thinkers are already thinking of ways to make sure they are at the front of the q........... Fact - Bigger than the machine fair price ........ e.t.c e.t.c e.t.c You gotta try to do whatever you can
Racecourse Regular • June 11, 2013 11:49 AM BST
Looking at the comments on here, what is evident is that some are thinking about their business strategy and how they can define themselves from their fellow bookmakers, commission agents, flimpers call them what ever you want, technology is the killer and in a few years time it simply wont be good enough on the non-busy days (which will only increase) and expect the punter to give you their bang...... you gotta do something to get it and those forward thinkers are already thinking of ways to make sure they are at
the front of the q........... Fact - Bigger than the machine fair price ........ e.t.c e.t.c e.t.c You gotta try to do whatever you can
I've got a good idea, retire!
Looking at the comments on here, what is evident is that some are thinking about their business strategy and how they can define themselves from their fellow bookmakers, commission agents, flimpers call them what ever you want, technology is the killer and in a few years time it simply wont be good enough on the non-busy days (which will only increase) and expect the punter to give you their bang...... you gotta do something to get it and those forward thinkers are already thinking of ways to make sure they are at
the front of the q........... Fact - Bigger than the machine fair price ........ e.t.c e.t.c e.t.c You gotta try to do whatever you can
I've got a good idea, retire!
AS already posted adge,you assume wrongly,you weren't there,try to accept the facts.
Regarding FACTS,there are obviously still a few good oncourse bookmakers around,apparently yourself included,however when a poster posts up things that took place,it is pointless denying that it was true,and wasn't the case.
Obviously you have to stand your corner and stick together,but you should still be able to see the overall picture from the punter's point of view,and not assume that they are always wrong,don't understand bookmaking,and are after something that isn't on offer.You aren't present at EVERY course!
Many times bookmakers have responded with"why don't you get a pick,and try it yourself,and see how long you last".
Well that is stupid ,and rude,again assuming that the majority of posters are clueless in the way a book is made.As this is an anonymous forum you wouldn't know one way ,or the other,who you are responding to.
Regarding FACTS,there are obviously still a few good oncourse bookmakers around,apparently yourself included,however when a poster posts up things that took place,it is pointless denying that it was true,and wasn't the case.
Obviously you have to stand your corner and stick together,but you should still be able to see the overall picture from the punter's point of view,and not assume that they are always wrong,don't understand bookmaking,and are after something that isn't on offer.You aren't present at EVERY course!
Many times bookmakers have responded with"why don't you get a pick,and try it yourself,and see how long you last".
Well that is stupid ,and rude,again assuming that the majority of posters are clueless in the way a book is made.As this is an anonymous forum you wouldn't know one way ,or the other,who you are responding to.
Unbiased.i think you may find that this forum isn't as anonymous as you may think.
unbiased , glad you're back.
now instead of suggesting what we shouldn't do like lower a price that has become above the exchange price [ which leads to arbers knocking your friend out of the way in the rush to get it ] . let's hear your ideas on what we should do and still have a fighting chance.
for my own business I bet each way on all 4 runner races and many with 3 runners. I bet place only on all races even the one's with odds on favourites. I pricematch betfair on all horses up to 7/2 on midweek days [ but I don't top the exchange ] except to the next customer in my queue.
over to you
now instead of suggesting what we shouldn't do like lower a price that has become above the exchange price [ which leads to arbers knocking your friend out of the way in the rush to get it ] . let's hear your ideas on what we should do and still have a fighting chance.
for my own business I bet each way on all 4 runner races and many with 3 runners. I bet place only on all races even the one's with odds on favourites. I pricematch betfair on all horses up to 7/2 on midweek days [ but I don't top the exchange ] except to the next customer in my queue.
over to you
i dont understand this dreaded fear of being arbed if anybody has a negative opinion about a horse
and you want in the book it must be worth sticking your nose above the parapet to take the cash
if you get it wrong it costs you a few bob if you get it right bingo
or are we back to the argument of everybody betting to figures not opinions.
and you want in the book it must be worth sticking your nose above the parapet to take the cash
if you get it wrong it costs you a few bob if you get it right bingo
or are we back to the argument of everybody betting to figures not opinions.
not as simple as that , mr crisp , as many of us do have opinions. we can lay on here too.
let's stay with the 5/2 chance which is popular.
if we decide we want to lay and the price on here drops to 3.45 / 3.5 [lay ] we wil leave 5/2 up.
if it drops to 3.35 / 3.4 why would we leave it there when arbers wil take our 5/2 and lay 3.4 themselves
don't forget we can lay 3.4 on here too
let's stay with the 5/2 chance which is popular.
if we decide we want to lay and the price on here drops to 3.45 / 3.5 [lay ] we wil leave 5/2 up.
if it drops to 3.35 / 3.4 why would we leave it there when arbers wil take our 5/2 and lay 3.4 themselves
don't forget we can lay 3.4 on here too
thanks for your sensible answer adge as you say you might as well lay it here
at the price rather than them.
at the price rather than them.
Spot on Adge.
We always put up the favourite (and quite often the 2nd fav too) at what's on offer on here,we prefer to lay to the on course punter and not the armchair fiddler on here.
However if the horse(s) can't be laid then we do so on here to the amount we're happy with then reduce the price.
If the price drops in the meantime then we try to lay at the lesser price and reduce the board price accordingly....it beats me why punters don't take the price while it's there originally,as Facts correctly states,the punter has never had it so good.
We always put up the favourite (and quite often the 2nd fav too) at what's on offer on here,we prefer to lay to the on course punter and not the armchair fiddler on here.
However if the horse(s) can't be laid then we do so on here to the amount we're happy with then reduce the price.
If the price drops in the meantime then we try to lay at the lesser price and reduce the board price accordingly....it beats me why punters don't take the price while it's there originally,as Facts correctly states,the punter has never had it so good.
i'm at Beverley tomorrow
if anyone doubts anything stated above and is attending please come and introduce themselves and I will explain how my computer screen works and how my business is run alongside exchanges , showing where the value really is. I look forward to seeing you tomorrow
if anyone doubts anything stated above and is attending please come and introduce themselves and I will explain how my computer screen works and how my business is run alongside exchanges , showing where the value really is. I look forward to seeing you tomorrow
BIGGER THAN THE MACHINE ALL DAY AT HAYDOCK TOMORROW,COME RACING
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