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The plot thickens....... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/racing/article-2316162/Godolphin-scandal-latest-Over-100-horses-steroids-according-Gerard-Butler.html?ico=sport%5Eheadlines
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Report refresh • April 29, 2013 8:01 AM BST
From the Racing post...

BRITISH racing lurched back into crisis on Monday as a second Newmarket trainer admitted to using anabolic steroids on his horses.

Gerard Butler has told the BHA that several of his horses received treatment consisting of injections of anabolic steroids for injured joints. The trainer believes more than 100 racehorses across Newmarket may have been given the same treatment.

The news comes just days after Godolphin trainer Mahmood Al Zarooni received an eight-year ban for administering anabolic steroids to 15 horses under his care, a scandal which thrust British racing into the worldwide media spotlight.

However, unlike in the Al Zarooni case, Butler said the treatment came recommended by vets, who told him the treatment was widespread in Newmarket, and included the injections in his official medical records where were seen and returned by the BHA without comment.

Butler told the Independent: "It did not cross my mind that there could be any problem with this medication. And, judging from the fact that the BHA said nothing about it when they saw my medical book, it does not seem to have crossed their minds, either."

Butler believes the medication, known as Sungate, to have been commonly recommend by vets in Newmarket for the treatment of joint injuries.

"I have been very uncomfortable over the past few days, hearing and reading about the Al Zarooni case," he said.

"I feel people need to know about what has happened in my yard. I know I'm obliged to satisfy myself that each and every treatment is within the rules, and I failed to do so in this case.

"But I am certain that this medication has been misunderstood by many others. And I just hope that the BHA is being suitably rigorous in establishing whether that is indeed the case."

Butler, who said he is co-operating with the BHA, added: "I have been totally candid throughout, and it was I who told the BHA that I had treated four colts in December and January. I’m not trying to defend myself, just to explain what happened. And I must emphasise I was advised in good faith by my vets."
Report silvergreaser • April 29, 2013 8:12 AM BST
Now Mr slurp Alan Lee do you still believe there is no evidence to suggest there is a wider problem of horse doping?. I've been saying it for ages on here that British and Irish racing is awash with prohibited substance abuse and I was usually shot down as some conspiracy theorist fantasist.
Report maxheadroom • April 29, 2013 9:19 AM BST
was looking at his horse in the last at windsor tonigt and it got dq;ed in a race at yarmouth last summer,banned substance found!
Report Swardean • April 29, 2013 9:21 AM BST
Don't worry yourself silvergreaser.   I am sure Lee and the Racing Post will re-assure us it was just TWO bad apples.
Report dan33 • April 29, 2013 9:28 AM BST
"Butler told the BBC, by email, that the Independent story was correct and that the drug was recommended by a vet.... Butler says more than 100 Newmarket-based horses will have been given the same drug." From the BBC
Report silvergreaser • April 29, 2013 9:28 AM BST
This is the one you were on about max, and yeah swardean it will be priceless to hear what slurp has to say about Butler and his statement that vets have been giving horses steroids as a matter of routine in Newmarket.

Disciplinary Panel Enquiries
GETAWAY CAR - GERARD BUTLER

YARMOUTH SECOND JUNE MEETING 2012

The Bet In-Play at Betvictor.com Maiden Auction Stakes

The Disciplinary Panel of the British Horseracing Authority held an enquiry on 13 September 2012 into the analysis of the urine ordered to be taken from GETAWAY CAR, trained by Gerard Butler, by the Stewards at Yarmouth after the gelding finished unplaced in the Bet In-Play at Betvictor.com Maiden Auction Stakes on 13 June 2012.

The urine of the horse was found to contain morphine, which is a prohibited substance. The trainer exercised his right to have the ‘B’ sample analysed which confirmed the original finding. After considering the evidence, including submissions from Butler, the Panel was unable to establish the source of the substance, and could not therefore be satisfied that the administration of the substance was accidental and that the trainer had taken all reasonable care.

The Panel accepted an admission from Butler that he was in breach of Rule (C)53 and imposed a fine of £1,000 upon him. It was not asked by the BHA to request a contribution from Butler towards the costs associated with the analysis of the ‘B’ sample. Under Rule (A)74, the Panel disqualified GETAWAY CAR from the race.

The Panel informed Butler that all the horses in his care will be the subject of examination and the taking of samples for analysis provided for in Rule (A)49 within the next 12 months.

Charles Warde-Aldam
Hopper Cavendish
Sandra Arkwright
13 September 2012


and there are many more check out link,

http://www.britishhorseracing.com/resources/about/whatwedo/disciplinary/searchdisciplinary.asp
Report silvergreaser • April 29, 2013 9:32 AM BST
seems link isnt working, try this link hit resource centre, stewards room, disciplinary panel and type Gerard Butler in the search and 5 cases of previous doping pops up.

http://www.britishhorseracing.com/
Report dan33 • April 29, 2013 9:39 AM BST
"Kempton Park, 19 September 2011

The record of vaccinations in the passport of PRINCE ALZAIN (USA), trained by Gerard Butler, did not comply with the Rules of Racing. The Stewards found the trainer in breach of Rule (E)18 and fined him £560, this being his third offence within the last 12 months.

The record of vaccinations in the passport of FENNELL BAY (IRE), trained by Mahmood Al Zarooni, had been altered. The Stewards found the trainer in breach of Rule (E)19.5 and fined him £80."

Two identical indiscretions from the two trainers in one day.
Report Dr Gonzo • April 29, 2013 9:55 AM BST
It begs the question of why these trainers are employing vets who are apparently completely ignorant of the rules of racing.
Report Sir Gary Neville • April 29, 2013 10:00 AM BST
Can you imagine how bad Butler's horses would have ran if they weren't juiced up :D
Report silvergreaser • April 29, 2013 10:12 AM BST
Check this one out Hans Christian Anderson would've been proud of the Fairytale Fenton spun ref Dunguibs positive test for a sheep and cattle wormer (not a horse wormer mind you considering its a horse?) this stuff is so potent that when it breaks down in the horses system it basically turns into cocaine, and the idiots in the Turf Club believed him or was this just another example of the incestuous nature of Irish racings regulatory body and its participants?.

This is pure comedy gold and not one in the racing media thought there was a story here and questioned Fenton's **** and bull story and the Turf Clubs findings, they should've been all over this story like a rash?.

"Then, one morning on the gallops, Fenton took a call from the Turf Club. Bad news. A blood test conducted after the Punchestown race had returned an adverse finding. The B sample had yet to be examined but often the B sample is a parachute that never opens.

Traces of a worming agent had been found. It wasn’t performance-enhancing but a horse couldn’t run with this substance in his system. At first they were baffled. Dunguib wasn’t being treated with this wormer. How the hell? Then it dawned on them. Sher Beau in the stable next door was getting the wormer in his feed; his food pot hangs on a wall adjacent to Dunguib’s pot and the small retractable iron grille that divides the stables must have been left open. The space is comfortably big enough for a horse to poke his head through and it wouldn’t have taken much more than a dribble of Sher Beau’s saliva in Dunguib’s feed to cause a problem. Dunguib was disqualified and nearly €39,000 of prize money had to be returned."

Post hearing comments from Fenton:

"We had a very fair hearing and unfortunately the wrong horse got the wrong dose
.
"It was some wormer medication that should have been given to another horse and it's cost us the race.
"It was one of those things and while these things shouldn't happen, they do happen, unfortunately."


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We had a very fair hearing said Fenton?, you better believe it Philip, you would be hard pressed to convince a 2 yr old child your fairytale was true but you convinced the Turf Club for some unknown reason?.
Report silvergreaser • April 29, 2013 10:23 AM BST
"It was some wormer medication that should have been given to another horse and it's cost us the race.

Fenton contradicting himself first the horse was contaminated by his neighbours saliva because Dunguib had a neck like a giraffe?, and now it seems the horse was actually given the dose but by accident says Philip?
Report doorman99 • April 29, 2013 10:28 AM BST
Everytime I see Gerald Butler on tv always think he's someone you wouldn't want to buy a car from....just has that look about him and trouble does seem to follow his ilk.
Report silvergreaser • April 29, 2013 10:29 AM BST
Sorry sher beau its seems had a neck like a giraffe?
Report bananaoasis • April 29, 2013 10:45 AM BST
Gerard Butler is known to have nicely bred horses bought for peanuts due to most of them having some sort of 'problems' it is medication and the BHA are going to have a problem distinguishing the way they allow this, as they know, it seems that it goes on, the thing about the Zarooni case is that these are the best bred expensive end of the market with no probs, he was just juicing them up to cheat.
Report EastLower Gooner • April 29, 2013 10:50 AM BST
thought he was switching across to the US permanently?
Report maxheadroom • April 29, 2013 10:58 AM BST
no he just switched accents permamently.
Report Smiley_Jack • April 29, 2013 10:59 AM BST
The CV's of Gerard Butler's 'team' make interesting reading, most have links to Godolphin and the UAE
Report metro john • April 29, 2013 11:00 AM BST
This is a cover up story for Dubai!
Report metro john • April 29, 2013 11:01 AM BST
Frog juice is frog juice!
Report Dr Gonzo • April 29, 2013 11:03 AM BST
silvergreaser - that is indeed a remarkable yarn from Fenton.
Report turnip turns • April 29, 2013 11:14 AM BST
Egerton House Stables

Set in the most tranquil surroundings, Egerton House Stables is now the home of Gerard Butler Racing. With use of 40+ spacious stables and direct access to historic racecourse side training grounds, we are able to offer the best facilities to our owners.

Newmarket has 2,800 acres of training grounds, with extensive turf and all weather gallops, lunging rings and starting stalls. The facilities in Newmarket allow us to maintain our training programme through periods of inclement weather, and ensure that our horses are prepared on safe, reliable surfaces year round.

We are forging a close relationship with Rossdale and Partners Veterinary practice to help us monitor the fitness and wellbeing of all our horses and to ensure that we receive the very best medical assistance
Report turnip turns • April 29, 2013 11:17 AM BST
http://www.gerardbutler.co.uk/about-us.php
Report turnip turns • April 29, 2013 11:23 AM BST
Dan Kelly ‏@muffinmannhc 53s
Just called Rossdales Veterinary Practice - "Unable to comment as they are subject to a BHA Inquiry"
Report metro john • April 29, 2013 11:53 AM BST
I insist this a cover up story too take the Blame away from the Dubai Mafia! He is a Crook.
Report lagmorian • April 29, 2013 12:05 PM BST
The iron sheikh has just stuck the camel clutch on the bha for attacking his tag team partner the al zarooni
Report johnn • April 29, 2013 12:06 PM BST
I could see when he kicked that guy down the well in 300 that GB had been on the steroids, fwiw.
Report metro john • April 29, 2013 12:07 PM BST
Laugh
Report Swardean • April 29, 2013 12:40 PM BST
I see that Al Zarooni has Steeler still declared in the 2000gns on Sat.  Thought they had shutdown pending internal inquiry?
Report Swardean • April 29, 2013 12:43 PM BST
Ignore last post, my feed had not updated.
Report Dr Gonzo • April 29, 2013 12:45 PM BST
Presume he'll come out today
Report kemo sabe • April 29, 2013 12:59 PM BST
do we know if even b4 this was known to the godolphin connections that they had the drug testers camped outside the other yard ,or did the authorities give the yard chance to clean up .to a certain extent i do hope that the yard is found to be totally clean ,,, the real problem is i feel it might just be endemic in the whole operation ... im surprised we havnt been told the other yards clean ... or have i missed that ...
Report Dr Gonzo • April 29, 2013 1:03 PM BST
MAZ told he should expect testing at the yard after race-day positives last season.
Report turnip turns • April 29, 2013 1:15 PM BST
Cornelius Lysaght ‏@CorneliusRacing 30m
Head of Hong Kong Jockey Club re ban on anabolic steroids ban in HK:[We want races] won by the best horses not by horses with the best vets
Report johnoc99 • April 29, 2013 1:22 PM BST
The one thing this proves is there is a lot more to administering these drugs than just plunge a syringe in as Butler couldn't train Lassie to p!ss on a lamp post.
Report metro john • April 29, 2013 2:30 PM BST
Laugh
Report turnip turns • April 29, 2013 3:13 PM BST
29 Apr 2013 13:21
BHA statement regarding investigation into positive samples relating to a specific veterinary product






It is the general policy of the BHA not to comment publicly regarding ongoing investigations or speculation surrounding potential investigations.

However, in light of reports and speculation today, and because of recent events regarding horses formerly trained by Mahmood Al Zarooni, it is felt necessary to confirm that a separate investigation is being held into a number of positive samples obtained from horses at Gerard Butler's yard, following a testing in training visit on 20th February.

While conscious of the need not to prejudice the outcome of the current enquiry, the investigation has established that the source of the positive samples was a veterinary product, licensed in the EU and legally imported for use by a veterinary practice, the initial administration of which was recommended by a vet.

This investigation remains ongoing and a number other parties have been and will be interviewed, including representatives of the veterinary practice in question. One of the objectives of this investigation is to clarify the extent to which this product has been distributed and administered to horses in training.

Immediately following the results of the testing in training, the BHA, in conjunction with the National Trainers Federation, notified trainers that the product in question contains an anabolic steroid and should not be used on any horse in training.



For more information contact:

Robin Mounsey
British Horseracing Authority
t:02071520048
m:07584171551
e: rmounsey@britishhorseracing.com
Report metro john • April 29, 2013 3:17 PM BST
It was the vets (not shake mo) What a load of rubbish,it seems the Dubai Mafia is circulating cash for favor in no uncertain style!
Report Dr Gonzo • April 29, 2013 3:18 PM BST
I note Butler didn't say anything in his original comments about this being the result of positive tests.
Report elisjohn • April 29, 2013 3:19 PM BST
silver, as you know the two of us all along been having a go especially towards coolmore, and yes weve been slagged off, the use of steroids have been obvious over the last few years, just watch last years 1000g Grin
Report onlooker • April 29, 2013 6:10 PM BST
Last year's utterly unbelievable 1000 Guineas success - by a STREET length - of O'BRIEN'S [b] Homecoming Queen -  looked like AVIATION FUEL ! - let alone Steroids.

The most unfathomable RESULT EVER in Racing - and it will REMAIN so for ever more. Cry
Report turnip turns • April 29, 2013 7:22 PM BST
Markus Johansen ‏@MarkusJohansen 1h
I've heard from a very reliable source that a Newmarket trainer has been caught selling a horse for meat with bute in it's system #HitTheFan

Markus Johansen ‏@MarkusJohansen 1h
Trainer not a household name but I am sure @RacingPost will probably run the story at some point. #Bute
Retweeted by James KnightPlain
Report onlooker • April 29, 2013 7:29 PM BST
... "but I am sure @RacingPost will probably run the story at some point."

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You have a most optimistic outlook.
Report turnip turns • April 29, 2013 7:31 PM BST
not me onlooker,just the messenger hereMischief
Report breadnbutter • April 30, 2013 1:03 AM BST
so GB had been tested on the 20th of FEB Laugh and it only filters out now ,so anyone else using SUNGATE ect had a long time to sort things out Cry 


all this talk of "in training" "out of training" is confusing if a horse is out of training is it subject to the rules of racing?

the silence is deafening ....Cry

20th of feb .....FFS Cry 

the positive tests by MAZ horses last year were not for AB,s ,something dont add up here .
Report EastLower Gooner • April 30, 2013 8:40 AM BST
Butler just comes off as a bit of an incompetent nimcompoop in this story...to be fair. if he keeps doing his Mr Bean act he might get a lesser sentence.
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