Austrailia's drug shame.

never been a level playing field when we take on their sprinters

It has emerged embattled trainer Mahmood Al Zarooni would have escaped penalty under Australian rules of racing where out-of-competition steroid use is permitted.

Shocking, truly shocking.

Have to agree jonny....Chosir was a monster......Black Cavier is a ridiculous size for a mare.

Questions have to be asked as to whether they should be allowed to compete in Europe.

JR it is unfortunately a symptom of internationalization of horse racing different jurisdictions have different drugs policy's there will never standardization of rules

because when you travel to the USA you're on a level playing field, right?.. wrong, doesn't stop you sending them over though



bunch of clowns you lot, trying to turn your darkest hour of horse racing back onto a nation who has a slightly different rule set

Typical Aussie..... no sense of shame.

Couldn't care less that for years they have been sending over monstrosities like Black Caviar.

can you prove without any doubt that she was drugged in her off season? and the fact that "she is too big for a mare", isn't a justifiable reason to go alleging that she had drugs used to get her that way

it's a stupid question, of course you can't prove it

it's a bit like saying that south african female runner was "too fast for a woman", does that mean she is cheating too?

sure she's not your stereotypical type but if they were all like that we'd never get to see champions race

You're going to tell me that the fact that every sprinter you send over is about 18 hands and built like a tank is to do with the undoubted skill of your trainer's....
Any country that has such a pathetic stance on drug use as yours is always going to be under suspicion.

Our sprinters are world class, always have been and will continue to be world class

If our stance on drugs was so pathetic we'd have them in training and being tested positive, oh.. hang on

Ben Johnson was a world class sprinter.....

Canadians and their doping, ffs when will they clean it up

How can it be acceptable that an Australian horse can be TRAINED whilst receiving steroids.......as long as its out of its blood by race day..

Thats why you have world class sprinters.

Serious question SC  - is their much 'out of competition' drug tests in aussie horsreacing such as the test carried at at God, just not for steroids? I don't think testing goes on much over here but I might be wrong as we only seem to hear about it when they find something and I've got vague memories of an aussie drug scandal last year I think?.

*there
*testing ffs

It shows how great Black Caviar was for me, Nelly running clean and beating all those drugged up sprinters.

What are they supposed to test for Spyker.........they can use whatever drugs they want.

Very good Brother....

Apr 23, 2013 -- 11:28PM, spyker wrote:

Serious question SC

The "Ben Johnson" of Sprinting?
Little wonder she looked "light" when running at Ascot.

SYDNEY trainer Con Karakatsanis has lost an appeal against a conviction for attempting to tube a horse during last year's spring carnival.

Karakatsanis his father and stable employee, Tony Karakatsanis had appeals dismissed at the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal yesterday.

VCAT upheld the January decision of the Racing Appeals & Disciplinary Board that found the father and son guilty of conspiring and intending to stomach-tube Howmuchdoyouloveme before the Yellowglen Stakes at Flemington on Derby Day.

Con Karakatsanis was banned for nine months and his father for two years. VCAT will now hear appeals on penalty lodged by both men.

Tubing involves placing a tube into a horse's stomach to deliver treatment, often bicarbonate. It is banned on race day.

Before the incident, Howmuchdoyouloveme had raced six times for five wins and a second. The horse has since not won a race in five starts.

Let me say this, I have worked in 2 racing stables, both times drugging horses who were not injured whilst in training was not a regular occurrence, there are many trainers who will push a few boundaries, the above is probably a crook for it, the entire family is (fkn wogs).

A trainer last week had a horse test positive from memory.

I don't want this to drag on, you guys have your rules, we have ours, USA has their own too, other countries probably have completely different rules too, it always varies. I do not condone the drug use but the main thing for me is that as long as they are racing clean and not under the impact of any steroids then I can accept it.

I also don't think you can blame the trainers for it in Australia, they probably have to do it so that they can compete otherwise horses who are getting treated whilst in the paddock against horse who aren't getting treated, obviously those getting treated have a significant advantage.

To end this I will say this, you'll probably never hear it from me again, there is no question whenever an Australian horse travels to Europe they have a significant advantage, unless of course.. a godolphin horse is in the race.

Whether or not they have traces of steroids in the blood on race day makes no difference Second Coming.....they are not racing 'clean' as you put it.

The benefits of a steroid is are reaped long before race day.

yes I know, from an international perspective it sucks because you can never compare horses for this reason, I was talking more about "shakes" and the like being in their system come race time

Detection Time:3 weeks (oral) to 9 weeks (injectable)
Detection Time: 6 weeks

How long are horses in work?  I very much doubt it affects performance on race day too much.

Apart from that, rotflmfao.......  Drug shame...  Oh dear.  You fcukers are reaching now..

Imbeciles, it's because your racing and trainers are still back in the dark ages and your stakes on offer and the overall pitiful state of your called racing industry accurately reflects that.

If steroids are administered in training they're not clear of their system and will be detected.

There is nothing wrong with properly administered not abused use of steroids, doctors administer them to people to aid recovery from and accelerate healing of injuries in people.

What's wrong with the proper administration of it to horses while spelling as it aids their development and accelerates the healing process and recovery from the rigours of a racing preparation and aids the horses overall development and enables the trainer to get the best out of the horse which in turn aids the owners chances of getting a return upon their investment.

Proper use benefits the horse and doesn't  harm the animal but it seems you lot would rather live in the dark ages and abuse your horses rather than help them, nobody advocates drugs in competition and our testing regime is probably the most rigourous in the world.

Apr 24, 2013 -- 6:14AM, Lets Elope wrote:

Imbeciles, it's because your racing and trainers are still back in the dark ages and your stakes on offer and the overall pitiful state of your called racing industry accurately reflects that.If steroids are administered in training they're not clear of their system and will be detected. There is nothing wrong with properly administered not abused use of steroids, doctors administer them to people to aid recovery from and accelerate healing of injuries in people. What's wrong with the proper administration of it to horses while spelling as it aids their development and accelerates the healing process and recovery from the rigours of a racing preparation and aids the horses overall development and enables the trainer to get the best out of the horse which in turn aids the owners chances of getting a return upon their investment.Proper use benefits the horse and doesn't  harm the animal but it seems you lot would rather live in the dark ages and abuse your horses rather than help them, nobody advocates drugs in competition and our testing regime is probably the most rigourous in the world.

Please LE.  You don't really think these guys can read past "Drug cheats" do you?  They don't have the capacity to provide any thought into anything.

I very much doubt it affects performance on race day too much.

....wtf...... absolutely clueless.

A system that allows steroid use as long as they are clear by race day is pointless.....why bother banning them at all.

If a trainer were to give a horse a steroid on race day itself it would back no difference to the horses performance.

As i said earlier the benefits of a steroid are reaped long before race day.....

Lance Armstrong along with nearly every drug cheat were clean on race day.

If you search the net you will find that Flo Jo's trainer was involved in a bust up with  few trainers where he admitted to druggin horses that ran at Royal Ascot in this way.
Since then I believe a decleration is required statign the horse has not used been trained on illegal substances for a period of time before racing in the UK.
Therefore with BC the only reliable form guide youhave is her run at Ascot. I have a feling her retirement may have somethign to do with her not passing the rules for 2013 and was a face saving exercie. it would be no suprise to see her back racing before the year i sout and at Ascot next year, as stated byher trainer in the week leading up to her retirement.

Apr 24, 2013 -- 8:48AM, J.R.Hartley wrote:

....wtf...... absolutely clueless.A system that allows steroid use as long as they are clear by race day is pointless.....why bother banning them at all.If a trainer were to give a horse a steroid on race day itself it would back no difference to the horses performance.As i said earlier the benefits of a steroid are reaped long before race day.....Lance Armstrong along with nearly every drug cheat were clean on race day.

Pretty sure he used masking agents and backdated documents.  Just because he was "clean" on race day doesn't mean he was clean on race day. 

Show us the science that says you know more than those in charge.  Maybe you do, but you have said nothing to prove it yet.

As for BC.  If all you can do is point the finger at others in light of the most influential stable on the planet, EVER, being caught red handed, then pity you.....

Exactly the same can be said for Frankel.  He dodged the big races to avoid detection.  He retired due to new rules....


WANK WANK.....

I don't doubt this thread was started with a bit of tongue in the cheek and surprise surprise the usual suspects turn up and defend everything Australian (fish in barrel?) but honestly possums, you genuniely se nothing at all wrong with your rules? If our rules were as yours and yours as ours there would be no end of abuse from you lot about our 'drugged up horses'. I take it it is acceptable for human athletes to take steroids out of competition as well and as they don't affect performance on raceday (thanks for that BJT) and you have no objection to Aussie sports people taking steroids out of competition?
Obv Aussies can't call Godolphin drug cheats as what they have done is not in anyway illegal in Aus and prob goes on all the time by what LE has said., safe in the knowledge that they aren't going to test a horse if it isn't entered in any race - yep def a level playing field!

Whilst I don't condone cheating, if you halfwits keep making these ridiculous threads you're gonna get what is coming to you. I find it hilarious about how many biological experts have entered into this thread, declaring they still have a big impact on any one runner after they've left the body of a horse, unbelievable. A crew of the most stupidest people you've ever communicated with via a betting forum all of sudden are chemically and biologically fine tuned.

I find it extremely amusing that it wasn't about "Godolphin cheating" that sparked this thread it more about "oh look at their rules, that's why BC is so much better then any sprinter we have", clutching and grasping for anything you can possibly get your grubby little hands on to take away from what was and always will be a phenomenal sprinter, right up there with the best of all time.

That's the big issue here for me, not about drugs and rules, I don't see anyone having a dig at the Americans for their rules but as soon as you find a chink in the Australian way of racing.. "KAPOW"

Please reply, please. I am just dying to let rip into half of you inbred **** wits.

You know I am the best there is, I will degrade you all 1 by ****g 1.

Just ask "MAX".

Posters on here ought to be steroid free. One of the side effects is added aggression ie Roid Rage. Must be common in Australopithecus as well.

Hey spyker, count me the amount of threads made about Godolphin started by an Australia poster in a UK populated forum, I couldn't get past 0.

However in the Australian forum, there is 1 and we didn't even have any horses of note test positive.

Paranoia springs to mind, I can imagine the nutcase who made the thread would of had to have gone out of his way to find the article.

Desperate ****.

harry2.1, when you going to upgrade to 2.2? the 2.1 version just sucks the almighty c0ck

Apr 24, 2013 -- 9:17AM, spyker wrote:

I don't doubt this thread was started with a bit of tongue in the cheek and surprise surprise the usual suspects turn up and defend everything Australian (fish in barrel?) but honestly possums, you genuniely se nothing at all wrong with your rules? If our rules were as yours and yours as ours there would be no end of abuse from you lot about our 'drugged up horses'. I take it it is acceptable for human athletes to take steroids out of competition as well and as they don't affect performance on raceday (thanks for that BJT) and you have no objection to Aussie sports people taking steroids out of competition?Obv Aussies can't call Godolphin drug cheats as what they have done is not in anyway illegal in Aus and prob goes on all the time by what LE has said., safe in the knowledge that they aren't going to test a horse if it isn't entered in any race - yep def a level playing field!

What goes on here is irrelevant.  The issue, is Godolphin not playing by the rules.  If the rules are different here and everybody is playing by them, that has nothing to do with Godolphin cheating in the UK.

If I bought up team racing (ie pacemakers, horses running dead, millions of pounds a week lost on horses running dead), and the fraud, cheating going on in UK racing, what would be your response?

It certainly isn't allowed here, but you ignorant "morons" will defend it to the death.

Fact is we have rules in place, based on our drug testing regime.  You have stricter rules in place, and have obviously just started drug testing.
To suggest that we are cheats is crazy, as we regulate what goes on here, whereas you don't allow it but have ZERO fcuking idea what is happening.

Heads in the sand.

Sod this lark - I'm in shock as my mine form of entertainment this summer hasn't been picked for the Ashes - why oh why oh why is Mitchell Johnson not in the squad?

Probably because he is ****?  Have so much better to choose from.  Maybe young, but should have plenty of very decent bowlers coming through.

And will fcuking need them....

Hopefully, headlines will soon read "Superstar Godolphin trainer resigns to lead the Australian Cricket Team..."..  Fcuker still couldn't make them competitive.... 

I dunno mate - everything points to a big English win so i will back the aussies, just not sure how - as you know we English have ways of fecking things up that other nations can only wonder at.......

Not so easy to defend the indefensible is it BJ?.........never mind you did your best.

I see Coming Second is back in better spirit after his pitiful capitulation last night.........Well done lads you did your steroid munching country proud....

It works both ways... I think we'll have to give So You Think his dues as a dual Prince of Wales Winner then? Seeing as he was only run down by a juiced up Godolphin nag who was also flogged to within an inch of it's life by Frankie

Within an inch of its life?  How is he doing now?  Gone the extra inch...

Apr 24, 2013 -- 11:30AM, J.R.Hartley wrote:

Not so easy to defend the indefensible is it BJ?.........never mind you did your best.I see Coming Second is back in better spirit after his pitiful capitulation last night.........Well done lads you did your steroid munching country proud....

Not sure what you are on about though.  less than 3% of your horses are drug tested.  How in hell would you have any idea what goes on? 

11/45 have been tested there, and found guilty.  The trainer also admitted to at least another 5, but they are ok, because they didn't test them so no case to answer.....


WANK WANK......

Apr 24, 2013 -- 11:30AM, J.R.Hartley wrote:

Not so easy to defend the indefensible is it BJ?.........never mind you did your best.I see Coming Second is back in better spirit after his pitiful capitulation last night.........Well done lads you did your steroid munching country proud....

so that 1 article is enough for you to name Aussies as "steroid munching", you classless individual, wow your parents must be absolutely proud of you, your integrity is similar to that of those guys who tried to blow up Boston, speaking of blowing things up, if your brain cells represented explosives you wouldn't have enough to blow your own fkn nose

Well done on reversing my name to try and turn it into an insult, if you were the first to do it I would send you a congratulatory private message, you've probably realized by now there is no PM waiting for you, so in actual fact you should feel ****g ashamed.

I eagerly anticipate your boring reply

strewth Gloria!!  calm down dear.

He bowls to the left, he bowls to the right................

LOL It's like Basil Fawlty's having the building inspected for the first time ever and then to divert attention sets the hotel across the road on fire.