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That ride on the 2nd a disgrace - had the race won 200yards out and didn't want it....even on 25/1 shots these days you're getting this going on, unreal.
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did you back it to place?
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Seb Sanders showing how to get one nicely pocketed in on the rail then not try too hard so as to not embarass himself.
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No I backed it to win - as well as 2 others - not talking big stakes as it's an unraced horse and you can't know a great deal but I did know it was a poor maiden and it's pedigree and trainer credentials were enough to make it overpriced.
The horse had the race won 200yards out and he didn't want to push it past when he knew he was getting there - even on 25/1 they are it - I know the game is rancid but on a horse like that I don't understand what's the difference between coming 1st and 2nd unless.....(I can't say it or I'll get banned)  |
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Don't expect jockeys to beat up horses on their debut. You can ruin a horse and lose the ride.
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Is the OP watching the same race as me?
A Meehan clearly immature or problems with last season 3YO running for the first time and the yard rarely win FTO but come on for the run. That was as green as grass, missed the kick and never went a yard on the bridle and Fallon was at the horse all race niggling away, yet because he didn't just give up half a mile out and instead persevered and taught the horse something, he still managed to get it in contention and go close and so he's being dug out for that. Maybe he should have just given up early, finished down the field, taught the horse nothing about being in a race for next time and nobody would be too concerned about the ride. Oh and the OP types his message a whole minute after the race ended which must have given him plenty of opportunity to go back and review it a few times eh? |
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When he was doing all this teaching you are on about,its surprising that he didnt go all the way and teach him to pass the horse in front when he quite clearly could have if he so wished. Maybe that was the horses lesson for the next day and all he wanted was to teach the horse to race a bit,but quite obviously not to win.
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I suggest you go back and watch the race again from more than the final 50 yards or so because he had been riding the horse for fully 6f out.
Anyway I know he like Nargys and she's a big strong filly but again it's her first run of the season (the earlier runner was its first run ever and didn't run at 2) but he's not going to knock the shi'ite out of either horse as they will come on for the run and today wouldn't have been the main targets but I still expect her to make the frame anyway and maybe even win. |
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He likes Nargys alright,id say hes not the sharpest tool in the box at all. Id be more inclined to listen to him when he's putting up losers than when hes actually recommending one to run well.
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That was no doubt a poor run but the horse was eased when beaten which was with a full 2f to go and surely has to come on for the run, although will need to after that but he can only give his pre-race view based on what has happened up until then and the horse has some decent form as a 2YO including an unlucky in running 2nd LTO before today in a Gr2 race.
Some 2YOs don't train on and the more physically developed ones at 2 don't always have that advantage at 3 when the other catch up physically. |
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Mr Amazed,
Some facts for you. Fallon did try for 6furlongs on the horse as he clearly wanted to educate it and give it a good introduction to racing. Which he did. However 200yards out when he found himself getting there against a horse stopping in front he didn't go through with the effort - because he didn't want to win. For which reason I do not know but he did not want to win that race when presented with the, albeit unlikely at nearly every stage of the race, opportunity to do so. Now if you disagree with this you're either, not an experienced race watcher, a friend of Fallon's or have another agenda, as another poster on the thread has highlighted the above as I describe it is what happened. Sure if he didn't want to win he could have made no effort but no doubt he wanted to educate the horse and unfortunately in doing so found himself in (2furlongs out was trading 180/1) the inconceivable position that he could actually win close home, which obviously wasn't what he had planned on and rode for 2nd rather than the win which was there for the taking. Secondly I posted 11mins after the race - I have three TV's infront of me showing racing and I had already recorded the race and had rewound it three times before posting. Thirdly you mentioned Nargys, a horse who the jockey had openly spoke up in the press all week. Congratulations on reading the information printed in the R/P, listed on their website and re-reported in the weekender with the comments 'I know the jockey likes this horse' Some information for you. Racing Post articles of the tipping variety and similar musings are produced by bookmakers for bookmakers and reported by writers who not only in their 99% majority have never won a cent at the game but report predominantly what their masters wish in common attempt to mislead the mug punter. If a jockey thinks he has a good horse to sit on later in the week the last thing he'll do is tell Racing Post readers about it. Same with a trainer. Nargys was beaten off 82 in a nursery, needs cut in the ground (I presume you have seen her knee action?) yet you saw fit to give it a chance at 4/1 vs Sky Lantern (regardless of its subsequent defeat) who at 3/1 had twice and thrice the level of form of the Cumani runner, yet was similarly priced. Indeed the Hannon filly might not have trained but to even consider Nargys at the price she was, is laughable. So I suggest either you were duped by Mr Fallon's misguided press comments or indeed your ability to identify value is rather lacking. Good luck sir in your quest at making money from the game, clearly you have knowledge but your defence of the indefensible and your 'tip' this afternoon do not encourage me in respect to what that knowledge of yours may garner or not for you, day to day. Finally - no need for a reply, you have said your piece, I've responded with mine, there is a 500k Jackpot at Cheltenham tomorrow to which to devote the remainder of the night and morning to rather than chat further on here. Goodnight. |
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So much to clear up that I don't really know where to start but let's start with an apology for the things I did say and that's that I misread the time of your post and so I apologise for that Mr Studious_1.
Yes though I am an experienced race watcher and because of that know Fallon isn't a sit on the bridle jockey and then a quick shake of the reins quickens away and puts the race to bed, he's a wind it up gradually from a long way out and build up the momentum type and usually one of the first to start to be ridden and one of the last to go for his whip, which is why his horses often look in trouble but run on with that built up momentum at the business end and that's what happened with his mount here. The thing is because though he had that long sweeping run time thing, if he's checked in his run or even forced slightly to do anything to interrupt that momentum then it becomes costly and Spencer on the third had got himself positioned where all he could do was run up the arse of the winner, so he edged out and leaned on and caused Fallon's horse to shy away, thereby causing that interruption I was on about and you can see quite clearly after crossing the line that Fallon is saying something to Spencer presumably about that. Regarding Nargys, "I know he likes this one" is just a figure of speech and the reason I know is for the very reasons you point out, because I read it in his column him saying as much, just as many others will have so I haven't tried to pass it off as anyone great whisper and think you have read far too much into my wording. I would not be daft enough to claim something personally when it's in the public domain and I also don't believe I gave the horse as a tip either which again might be a case of the wordings or could even be me wrongly picking you up on wordings too regarding you calling it a tip when what you really just meant was I spoke favourably of it, which might plain your use use of "tip." I read his column and then watched a recording of last season's race where he claimed she would have won if getting a run, which I personally think is open to debate but she was without doubt unlucky and did run well in a Gr2 that day and this race was a Gr3 so I don't think taking all of that into account it was unreasonable to feel she might run well and I was keener on the place part anyway as shown in my post, although a win would have been a bonus and so I staked accordingly. The going in this race where she ran poorly was Good, just as it was in that nursery where she finished 2nd or when 3rd on debut so I'm not entirely convinced that the ground was the problem but from my point of view there was a need to reply because I feel you have misrepresented me here, but thank you anyway for the good luck wish and to you too yourself and goodnight.  |