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Report Captain Christy April 9, 2013 9:42 PM BST
Letting people starve to death, murderous pig, wibblewibblewibble.
Report shearer2therestcue April 9, 2013 9:48 PM BST
we import 56 million tonnes of coal every year onto our shores whilst a thousand years of coal still remain beneath our feet Tiger -and yet there was no agenda ShockedShocked-perhaps they knew that North Korea were going to nuke us and kept it back in reserve LaughLaugh
Report snickers April 9, 2013 9:48 PM BST
"Ten years after the fall of its great exponent, privatisation has become the common currency of political parties." - The Guardian

The dismantling of the Atlee state empowering people and spreading economic opportunity and freedom.

A truly transformational titan.
Report Alias April 9, 2013 9:49 PM BST
snickers 09 Apr 13 21:12 Joined: 27 Jul 10 | Topic/replies: 226 | Blogger: snickers's blog
You've had all this time to compose something witty and cutting to try and at least get one over on the great women when she dies. Must say your efforts have been very risible.. Couple of Elvis Costello quotes, half a dozen dancing weegies and the IRA saying they weren't a big fan... is that it?

Meanwhile the Labour party are falling over themselves to praise her and her legacy... You couldn't have scripted it better.
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Are there two of her, or are you thick?
Labour party...? What Labour Party?
Report Captain Christy April 9, 2013 9:50 PM BST
just one question snickers, I suspect you are a bummer, am I correct?
Report homefortea April 9, 2013 9:53 PM BST
I am all for digging coal (affordable again) and "fracking" and this Country should now be able to be self-sufficient in energy...

But does the Labour Party have the balls to admit to it...
Report homefortea April 9, 2013 9:55 PM BST
Captain Christy will now be warned off for anti-homosexual remarks...

Me I would ban the sad fecker because he is an idiot.Still he will return once he has stolen another computer...
Report Alias April 9, 2013 9:56 PM BST
A murdering **** who had not an ounce of compassion, pity or any decent human feeling in her body, except for her very own, of course.  Who can forget how she made her thick as sh1t son a multi millionaire overnight but dropping him the commission of £12m for arms sales to the Waahabi Saud mob, more despotic leaders in the world you could not find. Waahabi, in case you didn't know, inspired the Taliban. Some of those arms my well be killing our soldiers now, in places they shouldn't be in.
Report Alias April 9, 2013 9:57 PM BST
but = by
Report Captain Christy April 9, 2013 9:59 PM BST
Have you prepared your nazi speech yet homeforawank, you must be the most despicable individual ever to have drawn breath.
Report homefortea April 9, 2013 9:59 PM BST
Cannot disagree with you there alias about Mark..

But what mother does not to do the best for her son...

Check out the Blairs/Clintons and any other "Socialist" that you can mention...
Report snickers April 9, 2013 9:59 PM BST
The enfranchisement of a generation of aspirational working Britons striving to build a property owning democracy... While the Labour movement descended into personality based squabbles, she reigned supreme working tirelessly on behalf of the working people of Britain.
Report Captain Christy April 9, 2013 10:01 PM BST
snickers you absolute fairy.
Report Captain Christy April 9, 2013 10:01 PM BST
snickers you absolute fairy.
Report snickers April 9, 2013 10:03 PM BST
"Eventually we were able to reach mutual understanding, and this contributed to changes in atmosphere between our country and the West, and to the end of the Cold War. Margaret Thatcher was a great politician. She will remain in our memory and in history."


Where Kennedy, Macmillan, Nixon and Wilson failed... She brought an end to the Cold war and the imminent threat of global nuclear Armageddon. She not only saved our great country, but like Churchill before her saved Europe and the world.
Report homefortea April 9, 2013 10:04 PM BST
Nazi speech !!

You must be the biggest half-wit on here Private Christy...

Typical left winger on here - no cash no bottle and no mention of any odds...

The likes of you should have all benefits stopped - oh hang on you may have none in the future...Laugh
Report Tiger Tiger April 9, 2013 10:04 PM BST
shearer - you are being a little conservative with the truth there mate Laugh

The UK consumed 64.1 million tonnes of coal in 2012, including 54.9 million tonnes in power stations.

Coal imports to the UK were 44.8 million tonnes, a large increase (+37.7%) on the previous year's amount, mainly as a result of a dramatic increase in electricity generated from coal. Indigenous production was 9.9% less than the previous year at 16.8 million tonnes. (Over the year, 3.0 million tonnes was lifted from stock, compared to 0.8 million tonnes in 2011.)

Still I suppose that for a commy loving socialist it will be close enough for youCrazy
Report Captain Christy April 9, 2013 10:06 PM BST
Why are you forever going on about benefits nazi? I'm not and never have been on benefits, you are probably I would guess are a rent-boy?
Report homefortea April 9, 2013 10:07 PM BST
How  a Socialist can post such homophobic remarks is beyond me....


The Captain is Gay and hates to admit it !!

Aye Aye Captain....
Report snickers April 9, 2013 10:08 PM BST
"Margaret Thatcher was a towering political figure. Very few leaders get to change not only the political landscape of their country but of the world." - T Blair

Through Blair her ideas went on to win a further three elections. She'd not just won the argument, she had set the parameters of the argument for generations to come.
Report homefortea April 9, 2013 10:08 PM BST
Keep going Captain...

Aye Aye...
Report Captain Christy April 9, 2013 10:08 PM BST
Oh no homeforawank is a poofter, we had all suspected it, we know most of the tory party have that tendency.
Report Captain Christy April 9, 2013 10:08 PM BST
Oh no homeforawank is a poofter, we had all suspected it, we know most of the tory party have that tendency.
Report Alias April 9, 2013 10:08 PM BST
reigned supreme working tirelessly on behalf of the working people of Britain.Laugh

Now I know you're on the windup, knickers.
Report snickers April 9, 2013 10:11 PM BST
"Fearless in the face of nuclear annihilation"
Report homefortea April 9, 2013 10:11 PM BST
Will someone please report the Captain because as a free marketeer I cannot...

Perhaps a fellow Socialist as he is scaring off a large proportion (as high as 10% !) of people that are "homosexual" with his rants...Laugh

He is now accusing me as well.

Goodbye Yellow Brick Road...
Report snickers April 9, 2013 10:12 PM BST
"The saviour of the falklands"
Report Alias April 9, 2013 10:12 PM BST

Check out the Blairs/Clintons and any other "Socialist" that you can mention...



hft, you're not seriously suggesting that Blair or Clinton were socialists, are you?
Report homefortea April 9, 2013 10:13 PM BST
He cannot stop...Laugh

Someone stick a pillow in his mouth (or maybe two...Laugh)
Report Captain Christy April 9, 2013 10:13 PM BST
How **** you are homeforawank, I've seen you some your remarks on other threads, most disturbing, but nazis are often like that.
Report homefortea April 9, 2013 10:14 PM BST
Alias if the cap fits..

Unfortunately many did...
Report homefortea April 9, 2013 10:15 PM BST
Keep going Private but please seek help...

Taxpayer funded of course...Laugh
Report Captain Christy April 9, 2013 10:16 PM BST
Oi Nazi, you done enough bootlicking for the idle rich yet?
Report homefortea April 9, 2013 10:18 PM BST
Oh dear I have not had so much fun since Joe Stalin died  and we had a "keep the red flag sheathed" party...

Still got that armband and have never learnt to swim..Laugh
Report Captain Christy April 9, 2013 10:18 PM BST
I suspect homeforawank goes out selling pegs or lucky heather down his local racecourse.
Report homefortea April 9, 2013 10:19 PM BST
Don't call me idle you half-wit...Laugh
Report homefortea April 9, 2013 10:20 PM BST
No racecourses around here private...Laugh
Report Alias April 9, 2013 10:20 PM BST
She not only saved our great country, but like Churchill before her saved Europe and the world.LaughLaughLaugh

She saved fcuk all but herself and her family and friends. Churchill at least saw the dangers of Nazism/fascism, even if some of his contemporaries had far right sympathies. Ironically, the man who saved Europe was STALIN. Yes, the murderer Stalin, whose Red army turned the tied at Stalingrad. Without the Red army, Europe would be Nazi now.
Report snickers April 9, 2013 10:21 PM BST
"When you negotiate in Brussels it is still her rebate you are defending"

Our heroine who fought for four years to get Britain's money back from the faceless Eurocrats, winning our rebate in the face of unanimous opposition.
Report Captain Christy April 9, 2013 10:21 PM BST
I don't suppose there are homeforawank near your rat infested bedsit in south london.
Report salmon spray April 9, 2013 10:21 PM BST
Thatcher's legacy is that she redistributed wealth from the poor to the rich. That's all you need to know about her really.
Report Alias April 9, 2013 10:21 PM BST
Feck, TIDE.

Goodnight.
Report shearer2therestcue April 9, 2013 10:23 PM BST
i did say last night Alias THAT SHE COULDNT lick Churchills boots -you have just pressed up my thoughts
Report homefortea April 9, 2013 10:23 PM BST
Alias ..seek help..

I usually take the rise out of people because I have nothing better to do...

But please take my advice and seek help.PM me because I know people out there who can really sort you out...

Good Luck...
Report snickers April 9, 2013 10:26 PM BST
We now live in a country in which John Major is our greatest living politician.
Report shearer2therestcue April 9, 2013 10:28 PM BST
The funny thing is Salmon that i was so engrossed in this thread that i took my eyes off the Borrusia Dortmund markets and flooked myself a 3.7k green with the two late goals lol so thank you Maggie you came good in the end ya biatch -
Report shearer2therestcue April 9, 2013 10:29 PM BST
homefortea you aint took the rise outta me and ive had a voddy or two -lets rock and roll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwnkFlVRCZc

ban me if you must lol
Report the dealer April 9, 2013 10:34 PM BST
shearer2therestcue • April 9, 2013 10:29 PM BST
homefortea you aint took the rise outta me and ive had a voddy or two -lets rock and roll

good luck, he is one self loving, obnoxious, know it all fooker. big doorways for his ego to fit through  LaughLaugh
Report Captain Christy April 9, 2013 10:36 PM BST
He's like all of these wnkers, got a few stock phrases, immigrants, spongers, blahblahblah, what a fcuking moron
Report shearer2therestcue April 9, 2013 10:45 PM BST
Tom-as previously proven i often punch above my weight LaughLaughLaugh
Mind you im always p1ssed so im an easy target -glad to have you in the other place by the wayWinkWink
Report the dealer April 9, 2013 10:49 PM BST
Report shearer2therestcue April 9, 2013 10:57 PM BST
he doesnt want to play Tom -maybe hes a Mackem in disguise - i need a song to cheer me up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4BCUWopQQ4
Report brigust1 April 9, 2013 10:58 PM BST
If Captain Christy and Alias are examples of what Thatcher was fighting against thank goodness she destroyed them.
Report salmon spray April 9, 2013 11:02 PM BST
I'm glad she was useful for something shearer      Happy
As well as raising brigust's blood pressure.
Report shearer2therestcue April 9, 2013 11:08 PM BST
i make no apologies for the fact that i will be attending a party next week to celebrate her passing brigrust1-she didnt hurt me directlt but by god did she rip the heart out of my community -and all for a well hidden agenda -no matter how you try to disguise it she was out to get the miners at any cost-the rights and wrongs of politics have no place on this discussion other than the fact that even 30 years on -i will say it again- we import 56 million tonnes of coal per year whilst we stand on a thousand years of coal production in our own country -you do the the meths-of course it wasnt personal ffs LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report salmon spray April 9, 2013 11:11 PM BST
Maths shearer. You're getting confused again.
But otherwise I agree.
Report shearer2therestcue April 9, 2013 11:13 PM BST
The most hated Politician since Hitler Salmon -and thats a fact despite what the followers will say ShockedShocked
the trith hutrs -just look at all the interst "in just another politician"
Report shearer2therestcue April 9, 2013 11:16 PM BST
ok 28 you old fart lol - i was being.....wots that big word -glad to see you standing up against these clowns by the way
Report salmon spray April 9, 2013 11:16 PM BST
More hated in Germany than Hitler imo.
Report shearer2therestcue April 9, 2013 11:31 PM BST
agreed .......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4BCUWopQQ4
Report Smiley_Jack April 9, 2013 11:51 PM BST

Apr 9, 2013 -- 11:08PM, shearer2therestcue wrote:


i make no apologies for the fact that i will be attending a party next week to celebrate her passing brigrust1-she didnt hurt me directlt but by god did she rip the heart out of my community -and all for a well hidden agenda -no matter how you try to disguise it she was out to get the miners at any cost-the rights and wrongs of politics have no place on this discussion other than the fact that even 30 years on -i will say it again- we import 56 million tonnes of coal per year whilst we stand on a thousand years of coal production in our own country -you do the the meths-of course it wasnt personal ffs


lol  yet another self loathing failure, who seeks to blame others for their own lack of success when the true culprit is staring back at them in the mirror.

Report salmon spray April 9, 2013 11:58 PM BST
Awfully swift to jump to conclusions Smiley Jack. Your mind is as closed as your heroine's was.
Report shearer2therestcue April 10, 2013 12:03 AM BST
hey smiley -im a millionaire 2 times over and i bathe in vodka every night -golden duck i may add -lets party cos im golden goosedLaughLaugh
Report shearer2therestcue April 10, 2013 12:04 AM BST
stop teasing him salmon hes mine and youtubes
Report shearer2therestcue April 10, 2013 12:06 AM BST
ok i own a wife whos worth 6 million and a=-ive got two divorces on the go at 2 million a piece -calm down betfair i dont want a free £20 bingo credit lol
Report roobuck April 10, 2013 8:24 AM BST
we import 56 million tonnes of coal per year whilst we stand on a thousand years of coal production in our own country -you do the the meths-of course it wasnt personal ffs

If it makes so much sense then, why didn't private industry pick this up and run it? I think you need to do the maths
Report brigust1 April 10, 2013 9:15 AM BST
If some of the responses on here represent a cross section of the cretins Maggie defeated then thank goodness she did defeat them. There is absolutely no place on this earth, maybe North Korea, where their doctrine and beliefs will ever or should ever be successful. In fact reading through their nasty, self righteous, ignorant comments there is no place on this forum for them either.

You lost, thank goodness and good riddance.
Report Reged April 10, 2013 9:18 AM BST
Here is an interesting fact for the maggie-bashers: more coal mines were closed under Harold Wilson than under Maggie Thatcher.
Report brigust1 April 10, 2013 9:23 AM BST
I thought Maggie was right and Scargill was wrong. He took the miners out on strike without a ballot and they mindlessly followed him.

The massive difference between me and the Maggie bashers on here is that I don't hold it against Scargill and nor would I ever think or suggest dancing on his grave. He stood by his beliefs and fought for power over the country. Thankfully he was defeated but I don't hate him for it even though he never once apologised for screwing up the lives and livelihoods of so many of his followers and their communities.
Report Reged April 10, 2013 9:29 AM BST
Neil Kinnock, quoted in The Guardian: "The issue (was) the suicidal vanity of Arthur Scargill, which is why his leadership was such a gift to Margaret Thatcher. ... I don't re-write history at all when I say such was the domination and the exploitation of solidarity … that there is one person who stands accused of walking straight into the carefully laid trap of Margaret Thatcher with a high speed and lack of restraint that in her wildest dreams she could not have hoped for. ... The strike was ruined the minute it was politicised and in the mind of Arthur Scargill it was always a political struggle … He fed himself the political illusion that as long as the miners were united they had the right to destabilise and overthrow the democratically elected government."
Report brigust1 April 10, 2013 9:44 AM BST
This started long before Thatcher. Wilson couldn't do anything and neither could Callaghan. There was no way the path to ruin the unions had put this country on could be continued with. And there is no country in the world that demonstrates their values and ideas were right. That says everything so Maggie had the fight and defeat them for the sake of everyone else in the country not just the unions and their followers/members.
Report Alias April 10, 2013 9:52 AM BST
brigust1 10 Apr 13 09:15 Joined: 07 Dec 01 | Topic/replies: 5,682 | Blogger: brigust1's blog
If some of the responses on here represent a cross section of the cretins Maggie defeated then thank goodness she did defeat them. There is absolutely no place on this earth, maybe North Korea, where their doctrine and beliefs will ever or should ever be successful. In fact reading through their nasty, self righteous, ignorant comments there is no place on this forum for them either.

You lost, thank goodness and good riddance.
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North Korea?Laugh They're about as right wing as Maggie, ffs. That remark demonstrates just how politically ignorant you are, brigust.
As for self righteous, no one was more so thatn the evil bitch herself.
Report Alias April 10, 2013 9:54 AM BST
Reged 10 Apr 13 09:18 Joined: 22 Aug 01 | Topic/replies: 11,707 | Blogger: Reged's blog
Here is an interesting fact for the maggie-bashers: more coal mines were closed under Harold Wilson than under Maggie Thatcher.
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Extremely disingenuous. How many pits were there when Thatcher came to power, and how many are there now?
Report brigust1 April 10, 2013 10:02 AM BST
You lost Alias and thank goodness for that if you are a typical cross example. No-one would want you or your kind running or having any say in the future of this country.
Report Tiger Tiger April 10, 2013 10:03 AM BST
Alias - get your facts right.

There were MORE pits closed under Labour Governments than there were under the Conservatives.
Report Reged April 10, 2013 10:03 AM BST
That Alist is down to economic reality ... not Thatcher. The mines were unprofitable. They were in Europe too, where they were also run down. Why should the taxpayer cough up to keep miners in jobs?
Report brigust1 April 10, 2013 10:04 AM BST
You don't see the North Korea connection? Mindless followers striking themselves into extinction? You don't see it? Clueless.
Report Reged April 10, 2013 10:05 AM BST
It's the same with a lot of things -milk for instance. Thatcher is demonised as the milk-snatcher but the policy was actually started under Harold Wilson when it was taken away from secondary schools.
Report Alias April 10, 2013 10:07 AM BST
I lost? Explain please brigust.

No, I merely sympathise with those who were flung out of work for no good reason, or otherwise battered by the fascist bitch. You do understand sympathy, don't you? Social conscience? Or is there no such thing as society?

You really are without a clue, aren't you?
Report brigust1 April 10, 2013 10:18 AM BST
'Flung out of work for no good reason'? If I remember correctly they walked out. They used pickets, flying pickets, intimidation, bullying, threats on their own family members and fellow workers not to mention anyone who got in their way. Social conscience? Are you sure. There are still families in the pit villages who hate each other where is their social conscience? And that is way before the effect their actions were having on everyone else in the country is taken into consideration. Hospitals blacked out, homes blacked out, businesses blacked, bodies not buried, rubbish mountains. ALL THE ACTIONS OF THE UNIONS AND THEIR MEMBERS IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT EFFECT IT HAD ON THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. Where is their social coscience?
Report roobuck April 10, 2013 10:23 AM BST
No, I merely sympathise with those who were flung out of work for no good reason, or otherwise battered by the fascist bitch. You do understand sympathy, don't you? Social conscience? Or is there no such thing as society?

I can sort of understand state subsidy of an energy source and to keep people in work ie society etc until it becomes completely uneconomical.

But as a taxpayer being then held to ransom, being asked for more or the lights go out I tend to lose my sympathy. Symbolic of the union led culture at the time - the workers were simply pawns and need to look at the political union leaders who led them off a cliff ( well actually they led them nowhere cos they made sure they looked after themselves.)
Report brigust1 April 10, 2013 10:23 AM BST
And this wasn't the first time. They already had a long, long history of it. The country could not take any more. They had to be stopped. Raging inflation, high taxes we were known as the sick man of Europe. Don't talk to me about social conscience they hadn't and many still don't have, when you hear their comments today.
Report Alias April 10, 2013 12:21 PM BST
To listen you you brigust, and your fellow fascists, you'd think that TU members were some kind of fifth column or foreign enemy. In truth, trade unionists were and are the working people of this country, without whom you'd have very few rights today, and without whom you'd never have won wars. Thatcher called TUs "the enemy within", and yet all of the famous traitors have been public school and Cambridge boys. TU members are your countrymen, not your enemies, only Thatcher and her kind have convinced you differently. The same Thatcher who CONGRATULATED Pinochet on his government of Chile - Pinochet, our "friend" according to Thatcher, who like so many fascist dictators, led a military coup to usurp a democratically elected government, and then proceeded to murder anyone who was left of him. In the right time, Thatcher would no doubt have congratulated Mussolini, Franco and Hitler, and all of the other murdering fascist tyrants from the same mould.
Are you happy to think of Pinochet as your friend? How does it sit with you, knowing your heroine sucked up to fascist murderers?
Report salmon spray April 10, 2013 12:27 PM BST
brigust knows Thatcher agreed with him about Brigadier Gerard and Frankel. At the end of the day that's all that matters.
Report Alias April 10, 2013 12:49 PM BST
In spite of the warmongering and jingoism, workers' struggles actually intensified during the Second World War. Tony Dabb reveals how rising class struggle saw workers form a different sort of unity against the profiteering of the bosses
Wartime quotas put pressure on miners

'Here we were, just about winning the war, and losing our trade union rights. So what the bloody hell had we been fighting for?'

With these words, one socialist summed up the bitterness and resentment felt by workers in Britain towards the end of the Second World War. The sacrifices they were asked to make in the 'national interest' increasingly entailed poor pay, intolerable conditions, and the infringement of their basic right to organise at work.

There was widespread determination to defeat Hitler's Nazis, but the war also created tensions which raised questions in the minds of many about its real purpose. It was apparent that bosses were reaping huge profits off the back of the war effort. For the rest of society, long hours, inadequate air raid provision and meagre rations were their only reward, and the future promised little improvement. As the war went on, ordinary working people became more and more unwilling to tolerate this unequal sacrifice, and they expressed their anger at it where they had the greatest means of making themselves heard--in the workplace.
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Yeah, what a bunch of selfish bast@rds those trade unionists were, eh?

http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/sr185/dabb.htm


Thatcher's onslaught against workers' rights is one big reason why so many people today are trapped in £6.50 an hour jobs. Everybody can't be a banker/lawyer/accountant or whatever. Are you proud of that "achievement" brigust and co?
Report roobuck April 10, 2013 1:38 PM BST
Using the war as an example is laughable. Yes at that stage what the union movement stood for was absolutely fair and equitable.

But what it had turned into wasn't the same. It was politicised and in Thatcher's time we are in fact talking about 35 years later. Unions felt they could do and demand what they wanted. As a small example in the cargo shed at BA they had a set number of people who worked the night shift. It was a known 'perk' of the job that half the shift worked whilst the other half slept until they swapped midway through the shift. Guess what would have happened if management intervened? I believe it was fairly similar in the print industry as well.

So are you saying that should have been accepted?
Report breadnbutter April 10, 2013 1:39 PM BST
when labour were in charge in the early 70,s and the unions were calling the shots and holding everyone to ransom with power cuts and denial of council services why do you think the torys were voted in ?
the labour party itself  could not deal with the unions ffs .

All the stuff about the community charge being unfair is complete myth imo . the principle that those that access council services the most pay the most is a fair one rather than those that have the biggest house pay the most ,a single person in a big house would likely use less serviceS than a family of five in a council flat ....what was wrong with the communty charge ?

selling off the council houses was the best thing thatcher done along with a free market economy .

trying to blame thatcher for the state the country is in now is laughable.  and if its is a blame game look no further than Blair and co.

lack of investment in anything by successive governments is the problem we are where we are ,or do people honestly believe we should still all be burning coal for heating and in power stations ? OR we could have had a car manufacturing industry,ECT ECT  Laugh

plenty playing the blame game and rejoicing  after a 87 yearold women  has died of a stroke but not many offering any solutions for the future .  pretty sad and shows the mental state of many in this country .

ordinary rights and freedoms have been eroded more under the last labour gov then any tory one  ,MT increased choice and freedoms labour done the opposite .....wake up and smell the coffee.
Report TiptheOdds April 10, 2013 1:42 PM BST
alias, you´re wasting your time on brigust, he doesn´t care about facts. If he talks shiite and you prove that he´s talking shiite he just conveniently ignores it and comes back with another sweeping biased statement with little or no evidence other than what he´s read in the Daily Mail to support it. He believes what he wants to believe and sees only what he wants to see inside the little bubble of his own experience. You cannot discuss with people like that. They cannot change their thinking or even compromise on one point, for fear of waking up and finding maybe they´ve been wrong about all.
Report Sparrow Hawk April 10, 2013 1:57 PM BST
They cannot change their thinking or even compromise on one point, for fear of waking up and finding maybe they´ve been wrong about all.

Thats true and it applies to both sides of the debate

Good post bread and butter.Agree entirely
Report brigust1 April 10, 2013 2:29 PM BST
I think you should just open your eyes Tip and try not to tell others to do what you cannot yourself. Anyone who believes Thatcher is responsible for all the ills of this country are living in a bubble. But, like the others, you only know how to talk rubbish and add no details. I do read the facts and I do know Thatcher wasn't always right but in taking on the unions at that time she was. You, in your blinkered view, cannot see that the unions at that time were wrong. And I was a union member ffs. The miners union, without a ballot I may add, had 2 choices think about the country or think about themselves. They chose themselves and lost. And now, like some of the sour punters on here, everyone else is wrong but themselves.

I've never bought the Daily Mail in my lfe but I did live through those times and my family, like many many others, were on the receiving of the damage the unions did to this country. They have no sympathy for the miners and, in reality, the NUM did far more damage to the unions cause than any government could ever have done. The difference is we aren't dancing on anyone's grave that only shows the mentality of some of the posters on here. And you Tip, are one of those.
Report TiptheOdds April 10, 2013 2:57 PM BST
brigust, don´t confuse me with some of the other people you´ve been talking to.

I have not once said that ALL Britain´s problems today were caused by Thatcher. You raised a comparison between the UK and Germany and I pointed out that the reason Germany is doing so well and the British economy is in dire straits is because of economic mismanagement by successive governments from 1979 to now. But it was Thatcher who first took the UK down the road of free market Milton Friedman economics, and which Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron have followed.

You were the one who claimed that the reason Germany is doing so well is because the were fortunate to have 17m workers coming from the east and as a result have had a low cost economy. I explained, with facts and figures, that this was laughable. YOU just ignored the fact you were completely wrong. So don´t accuse me of ´adding no details´ when you make such foolish assertions based purely on your opinion, and ignore the evidence when it suits you.

I was also a union member in 1979, in the public sector, and I accept absolutely that there were excesses by the unions. But the way to move forward, then and now, was to bring all parties round the table. The role of government is not, and should never be, to use the power of the state to destroy any group of workers and their communities because of ideology. The role of a PM is to unite the nation not the reverse.

And I have already said (if you read my posts) that it brought me no pleasure or sadness to hear about Thatcher´s death. Since 1990 she was a political irrelevance. I hated her when she was in power and if she had died 30 years ago I would have celebrated, but the passing of any 87-y-o geriatric does not make me happy.

I didn´t hear you complaining about all the right-wingers who were ´dancing on the grave ´of Hugo Chavez after he died, and he was a popular leader who never harmed one person in this country.

Why don´t you start offering up some ´details´, facts and figures to back up your opinions and anecdotes?
Report BARNEY21. April 10, 2013 3:16 PM BST
She made decisions that impacted on those with little or no choice they did not impact on her or her cronies she used the power and money of the state to defeat the miners she was no different from Scargill the use and abuse of power for their own ends,she gave no whit for the communities that she decimated ffs it,s peoples lives we are talking here,was she not elected to lead the whole of the country,she privatised the utilities with the blockbusting lie that competition would see prices kept at a minimum so she LIED to the country,it is indicative to me that those who supported her and glorify her will be to a man selfish and self seeking with no thought for others that is until there is a war then they all want the downtrodden to go and fight for freedom and a better life.
Report Captain Christy April 10, 2013 3:57 PM BST
I do have a child wildmanloony, last thing they were learning in history lessons was 1066. I don't know what planet you are living on seriously.
Report BARNEY21. April 10, 2013 4:13 PM BST
Totally agree with you tiptheodds,"power is a greater corrupter than money" this is very true,Thatcher/Scargill/Blair and all those before and since need a huge dose of humility they have an awsome amount of power ut is how you use it not one of them ever seem to use it for the long term benefit of all the country,down thro history placing this amount of power into one persons hands is tantamount to decimation for whole swathes of the populace it just goes on and on,this is why I can,t see our form of democracy ever solve the problems,Germany of the bigger nations seem to be the nearest to getting it right,of the smaller nations the Scandanavians seem to manage it well but we are far and away one of the worst of the developed countries.
Report brigust1 April 10, 2013 4:44 PM BST
Tip the report on Germany was not mine it was in a documentary on the television. West Germany were worried about the effect workers from the East would have on wages and were certain to drive them down. You don't have to be an economist or mathematician to work that one out. Your point about average wages I dealt with because these statistics spread over a country are completely meaningless. Ask the people in Wales what the average wage means to them. Any fool can come up with pointless statistics then make out they know something when in actual fact they know eff all.

If, as you say, you were a union member in the late 70's then you should know quite clearly the demands upin the government by the NUM et al were not realistic. You must have known the taxes pai and the rate of inflation. You must have known for a governmnt to surrender to these tactics would have been suicidal as it was for Wilson and Callaghan.

If you want to know some facts and figures you should read my posts. They were actually factual because I was working in a car factory around this period. So why don't you get your facts right before open your mouth? You, if you were a trade unionist at the time, should know better.
Report WFT April 10, 2013 4:48 PM BST
They were actually factual because I was working in a car factory around this period

Really ? That must be the first time you've mentioned it.
Report brigust1 April 10, 2013 4:50 PM BST
^^That wasn't pointed at you WTF. I was answering a point put forward to me by Tiptheodds. But at least you confirmed, should Tip want confirmation, that I had put that point forward.
Report Captain Christy April 10, 2013 5:25 PM BST
They were actually factual because I was working in a car factory around this period.

No they weren't I thought we had established you were seeking to compare industrial workers wages to peasants such as yourself used to being ground down by your 'betters'.
Report brigust1 April 10, 2013 6:33 PM BST

Apr 9, 2013 -- 7:22PM, brigust1 wrote:

The unions negotiated with Wilson, then Callaghan. They picketted the power stations, 3 day weeks, power cuts you should do some research. The unions wanted to ruin the country or run it on communist lines. And it's b ollo cks about driving down wages CC. You obviously were not working then. Otherwise you wouldn't be talking such cr ap. Before I went into the car factory everyone outside couldn't believe the money to be earned doing eff all. I worked here for 4 years. No business could survive that and it didn't neither did the mining industry or the print workers or the steel workers or the ship builders. Enough was enough.


If you ever start reading CC you will notice I said 'Before' I went into the car factory. You clown.

Report Facts April 10, 2013 6:36 PM BST
"For
The miners
The shipbuilders
The steelworkers
The old that froze to death
The old that couldn't afford food
For the thousands made homeless


For
The North
The disenfranchised black youth
The lost generation of young
The Hillsborough families
The men dead in a conflict designed to win her an election
The men traumatised from the Falklands War
For Northern Ireland


For
My Mam and Dad
My Grandparents
My brother
Every LGBT kid who committed suicide due to Section 28 in schools
The teachers
The victims of gaybashing which were never investigated due to pressure from her government
For the gay men stitched up and banged up for being gay


For
The women of Greenham Common who were beaten and had their kids forcibly taken into care for no reason
For the men and women assaulted in the Battle of the Beanfield
For the men and women consigned to the scrapheap
For the services that used to belong to all of us and now are badly run in the hands of the rich
For the country that used to stand for social justice and created the National Health Service
The mentally ill thrown out on the streets
The children abused in care homes and ignored or worse abused by some in her government
I celebrate the death of a woman who caused so much pain"


I hope there's rioting in the street the day of her funeral
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