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Happy Valley
08 Apr 13 09:56
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that's HK$30m at 11.9 to the pound but it's still an awful lot of money.

what happened was the computer programme jammed on the team's multiple accounts and just kept betting and betting the same straight tierce combination on yesterday's ninth race at Sha Tin. The final pool ended up at HK$37 million when it would usually be around $30m.

The straight tierce would have paid 2.1-1 if it had obliged which it didn't.
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Report Happy Valley April 8, 2013 9:57 AM BST
(of course when a certain exchange not a million miles away from here made a rick like this no one was paid!!!)
Report racingstar April 8, 2013 9:59 AM BST
Their Dilithium Cystals probably overloaded,HV.
Report salmon spray April 8, 2013 9:59 AM BST
I have little sympathy with people who rely on computers to do their betting for them.
Report Happy Valley April 8, 2013 10:14 AM BST
SS - you are one tough cookie Happy
Report salmon spray April 8, 2013 10:21 AM BST
Devil
Report racingstar April 8, 2013 10:27 AM BST
SS,is correct,HV.
Many years ago when there actually was some liquidity on here,I left "she who must be obeyed" to Lay an "unfancied" one whilst I had to go out for an hour.
The instructions were,"drip in £100 Lays slowly".
When I returned I found that she had "Backed" the hapless creature for the best part of £4,000!
It cost me to straighten it out.
Strangely,I have never asked for her "assistance" in this field since.
The moral is,"do it yourself or face the consequences".
Report Trusty April 8, 2013 10:45 AM BST
No-one has asked the obvious question.

If it was a computer error would the bet have been voided if it won? (Like La Vodette) or because it lost it doesn't matter?

Also pool only seems to be HKD 7 MLN higher than usual according to OP, so not sure where the HKD 30 MLN comes in?
Report racingstar April 8, 2013 10:51 AM BST
They most certainly would have been paid,Trusty.
Report salmon spray April 8, 2013 10:59 AM BST
They would have been paid as it is a pool system,but of course it would have been at shorter odds than it should have been.
Report Happy Valley April 8, 2013 11:00 AM BST
sorry Trusty, a lapse in concentration, I meant to say the pool would normally have been around $7m but it closed at $37m.
Report Trusty April 8, 2013 11:12 AM BST
So you don't think the authorities looking into the pool 5 times it's normal size and discovering a computer error would/could have voided the bets?

So as it stands a computer program put an extra ~£2MLN in the pool which was paid out on the correct straight forecast, less deductions.
Report salmon spray April 8, 2013 11:17 AM BST
Why should they ?
Their cut will have been larger but most of it would go to other punters who had presumably for the most part played it straight. Are you suggesting their winning bets should have been voided ?
Report racingstar April 8, 2013 11:27 AM BST
It was "real money" in the Pool,unlike the "mythical money" that miraculously found its way into the BF Pool.
Report Trusty April 8, 2013 11:51 AM BST
...of course the funny thing is; all money is now "mythical money"; so much has been printed by so many central banks it is only a matter of time before the population as a whole lose their trust in the bits of papers in their pockets and their bank accounts.

This page puts it in perspective: http://www.pagetutor.com/trillion/index.html

And here is the amount just the US is in debt; http://www.usdebtclock.org/

It's all going to end in tears, just a question of when.
Report saddo April 8, 2013 11:58 AM BST
Trusty, you are clued up, who is all this debt ultimately owed to?
Report Trusty April 8, 2013 12:06 PM BST
Saddo use this old link from the BBC, it helps shows you who owes what to whom:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15748696
Report pedrobob April 8, 2013 4:30 PM BST
HV, the computer gambler had HK$30m in his account and it was transferred as real cash onto the Tote?
Report pedrobob April 8, 2013 4:32 PM BST
...and what sort of Tote pool is that when 30m out of the 37m on a single permutation can pay 2/1+?
That would have been a payout of 90m+?
Report Trusty April 8, 2013 4:45 PM BST
...he is wrong...payout was 1.1
Report pedrobob April 8, 2013 4:52 PM BST
thanks trusty. Punter should appeal to IBAS - bound to get his money back after being ruled a palpable error imo
Report Happy Valley April 8, 2013 7:03 PM BST
sorry guys, I had many balls in the air when putting this fred up this afternoon, yes the payout would have been as trusty says, 1.1

and pedro it was a team rather than one individual, though that team may well have a figurehead, and the bet came continuously from a number of accounts belonging to the said team as there is a maximum of 21m for any one account with the HKJC
Report Happy Valley April 8, 2013 7:06 PM BST
I think you are joking about IBAS
Report pedrobob April 8, 2013 7:20 PM BST
they are serious gamblers, HV.

(tongue firmly in cheek with IBAS.... or any HK version - do they have one?)
Report Happy Valley April 9, 2013 12:43 AM BST
the short answer is no, though the HKJC do have their own internal unit for investigating betting disputes, say if an operator presses a wrong button on a telephone bet.

that said you would have recourse to the courts, for instance there was a time when HKJC employees were not allowed to bet and someone I know who worked for them did successfully bet the equivalent of the Tote jackpot and the dividend came to HK$2m. when a third party went to collect for him, the security dept were there and he never got paid. the legal advice was he should have contested this through the courts and he would have won. but he didn't contest. (maybe he was paid out eventually on the QT but I don't think so)

(employees are now allowed to bet)
Report TheVis April 9, 2013 9:15 AM BST
An interesting read this story.  Phenomenal pools over there as this $37 million pot only account for 2.5% of the day's turnover Shocked
Report Happy Valley April 9, 2013 1:54 PM BST
yes turnover for a weekend (usually 10-race card) is regularly over HK$1 billion these days.
Report HKAccie April 9, 2013 3:43 PM BST
1.3 bill last Sunday HV. Shame they didn't put the 30 in the TT pot it's up to 20 for tomorrow night!! Does hkjc still take 5.5% out of each pool as comms with tax to govt of 12.5% too?
Report HKAccie April 9, 2013 3:46 PM BST
HV - I thought they still weren't allowed to bet legally, even Jenny, Clint et al
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