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10 What racecourse is this? (I don't know the answer)


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Report SlippyBlue February 13, 2013 10:12 PM GMT
Hillman Imp Laugh
Report fawwon February 13, 2013 10:15 PM GMT
Had to google Hillman Imp to see what it was.
That is a beauty
Report durose13 February 13, 2013 10:15 PM GMT
A F Budge sprinter in mid-division
Report wolfatthedoor February 13, 2013 10:15 PM GMT
one or two flat caps evident.north of the trent maybe ?
Report Dr Gonzo February 13, 2013 10:16 PM GMT
First pic - its not Donny is it (parade ring would have had to have moved since then)
Report wolfatthedoor February 13, 2013 10:16 PM GMT
they were carp fawwon.aluminium engineCry
Report jimnast February 13, 2013 10:18 PM GMT
huntingdon right handed,not yarmouth,no houses near fakenham,possibly thirsk .
Report Dr Gonzo February 13, 2013 10:20 PM GMT
Can't be Catterick either - its fields across the road behind the stands
Report wolfatthedoor February 13, 2013 10:22 PM GMT
teeside pk maybe
Report tommysmum February 13, 2013 10:23 PM GMT
I know it's not Yarmouth now, but if you took a photo from the inside of the course there near the line, you would see houses behind the stands at the furlong marker
Report onlooker February 13, 2013 10:23 PM GMT
2nd Racecourse PHOTO

Houses on a road, running along rear of Stands .

REDCAR?
Report durose13 February 13, 2013 10:24 PM GMT
OI OI DEFFO EARLY 80'S HAYDOCK CERTAINTY OI OI
Report onlooker February 13, 2013 10:25 PM GMT
NEVER Haydock  - NO houses ANYWHERE that near to Stands at Haydock.
Report durose13 February 13, 2013 10:25 PM GMT
^2ND PIC
Report wolfatthedoor February 13, 2013 10:26 PM GMT
doing my head in tbh
Report durose13 February 13, 2013 10:26 PM GMT
EARLY 80'S HAYDOCK SILVER RING,LOOK AT THAT WOMAN GOING THRU THAT BLOKES POCKETS
Report durose13 February 13, 2013 10:27 PM GMT
SMACK BEHIND THE WINNER
Report tommysmum February 13, 2013 10:32 PM GMT
Thirsk
Report fawwon February 13, 2013 10:33 PM GMT
What about Ayr as a runner for the 2nd pic?
Report durose13 February 13, 2013 10:46 PM GMT
colours of a Jarvis trained sprinter fawwon?
Report Dr Gonzo February 13, 2013 10:50 PM GMT
Another thought on the first one....Folkestone?
Report Dr Gonzo February 13, 2013 11:00 PM GMT
In fact, i'm nailing my colours to the mast of whoever it was who said Hamilton Park. Final answer Laugh
Report GT-MOLE February 13, 2013 11:02 PM GMT
DGCoolWink
Report tommysmum February 13, 2013 11:11 PM GMT
Google Thirsk racecourse, click on images, picture of grandstand on second row.
Report durose13 February 13, 2013 11:12 PM GMT
^first pic
Report durose13 February 13, 2013 11:14 PM GMT
changed my mind 2nd pic is catterick silver ring,can even see camber
Report tommysmum February 13, 2013 11:16 PM GMT
First one Hamilton, second Thirsk, both stands now demolished
Report jimnast February 13, 2013 11:17 PM GMT
no houses at catterick folkestone right handed,
Report Dr Gonzo February 13, 2013 11:18 PM GMT
I reckon tommysmum has it.
Report durose13 February 13, 2013 11:23 PM GMT
2nd pic i can now see Thirsk deff,high numbers best well done tommysmum. got the grey cell going fawwon v.good
Report fawwon February 13, 2013 11:27 PM GMT
Excellent work, with that black and white photo of thirsk racecourse on google tommysmum.
Can cleary see it is that horrendous looking stand.
Thanks all.

Not much stuff to dig out of the loft anymore.
Report jimnast February 13, 2013 11:29 PM GMT
2nd pic could be redcar although still leaning towards thirsk.
Report durose13 February 13, 2013 11:29 PM GMT

Feb 13, 2013 -- 3:22PM, durose13 wrote:


10 thirsk


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Report onlooker February 13, 2013 11:29 PM GMT
You could post yer Holiday Snaps, fawwon ......

Which Beach is this ?


1. LAYTOWN

2. SOUTHWELL
Report durose13 February 13, 2013 11:31 PM GMT
both pics Thirsk then
Report fawwon February 13, 2013 11:32 PM GMT
We saying #10 is Thirsk as well?
I thought we had nailed it down to Hamilton(well tacked it down)?
Report fawwon February 13, 2013 11:35 PM GMT
Leaves on the trees in the first pic, not a leaf in sight on the 2nd
Report durose13 February 13, 2013 11:36 PM GMT
yes nobody in Scotland wore Puma trainers in the 80's
Report elise February 13, 2013 11:37 PM GMT
evening fawwon,

just to back up what the others were saying about the 2nd pic showing the finish, the track layout with the houses in the background looks from aerial photos to be only one of 3, redcar, thirsk or at a push doncaster

the best fit looks like thirsk as mentioned by tommy

the colours are the same as your nott picture, at first i thought it was the same horse as both had diamond blazes but the 2nd animal has one white sock, could your man have been following an owner or trainer?
Report wolfatthedoor February 13, 2013 11:38 PM GMT
10 is hamilton.defo
Report durose13 February 13, 2013 11:39 PM GMT
ok then 1.Hamilton , 2.Thirsk.
Report elise February 13, 2013 11:40 PM GMT
if anyone can track down a copy i'm using collins racecourses, has aerial photos & mapping from about 10 years ago, good reference book for any fan if you can find it
Report wolfatthedoor February 13, 2013 11:41 PM GMT
yea.2nd could be thirsk but the houses seem unfamiliar and close.
Report tommysmum February 13, 2013 11:43 PM GMT
The back of the Hamilton grandstand in number 10, can be found by google search images. I think either they left the back up or copied it when the new stand was put up, since your picture was taken.
Report durose13 February 13, 2013 11:43 PM GMT
M.Tebbutt on the winner
Report onlooker February 13, 2013 11:44 PM GMT
So - We are now looking for the Winner of a Sprint race at Thirk -
- Drawn High - Light Blue colours -  with Dark Blue Epaulettes, or 'V' ......

- when Hillman Imp's were in vogue.

Should be easy.
Report Dr Gonzo February 13, 2013 11:45 PM GMT
Second one is Thirsk for my money. If you get the aerial view up, you can see the houses - there's a couple, then a gap for the road, then another row of half a dozen.
Report durose13 February 13, 2013 11:45 PM GMT
Excitedobviously
Report durose13 February 13, 2013 11:45 PM GMT
^onlooker
Report fawwon February 13, 2013 11:47 PM GMT
durose is very good


Please don't mention names onlooker
Report durose13 February 13, 2013 11:48 PM GMT
just tekkin dog round block he wants a shyte,hope sorted for when i get backTongue Out
Report GT-MOLE February 13, 2013 11:51 PM GMT
Durose is not very good btw,Google Earth shows a large steaming pile just inside the door.Tongue Out
Report durose13 February 14, 2013 12:39 AM GMT
dog fekkin constipated and so am i, well don fawwon
Report ged February 14, 2013 9:35 AM GMT
Are the colours of the winner those of David Sullivan (Roldvale)?
Report durose13 February 14, 2013 11:49 AM GMT
no ged, are they Mr Galbraith colours fawwon?
Report durose13 February 14, 2013 2:29 PM GMT
Is the horse the Dick Peacock trained Fearless Lad? havent slept all night doing my nebber in fawwon.Cry
Report Navel-Gazer February 14, 2013 2:53 PM GMT
Durose - I can only recall one horse trained by Ray Peacock and that was Rushmoor in the 80's...quite a decent hurdler.
Report Fabulous February 14, 2013 3:02 PM GMT
Peacock had Man Alive too for a while.
Report ged February 14, 2013 3:04 PM GMT
Not the same man, Navel. Dick trained in Middleham, and was son of Matt (who trained dante), who in turn was son of Dobson Peacock (used to be a race named after him, at newcastle I think. Dick still has one named after him at Thirsk).  They all trained from the same stables in Middleham. Ray Peacock is still around, and trains in Worcs? Dick died in the 1980s.
Report jimnast February 14, 2013 3:09 PM GMT
ged

do you know if any reighning champion hurdler had ever run at doncaster other than rock on ruby ?
Report ged February 14, 2013 3:17 PM GMT
jimnast - I don't know, but I'd be surprised if there hasn't been another one. Sea Pigeon ran at Beverley, Hamilton and Redcar as a reigning champion hurdler! - and may also have run at Doncaster? (But you were presumably meaning over hurdles)
Report jimnast February 14, 2013 3:21 PM GMT
yes over hurdles really,i was speaking to one of the locals at dony last week,they didnt know i said i would ask you when i caught up with you.
Report ged February 14, 2013 3:30 PM GMT
Birds Nest beat Sea Pigeon in a 3-horse race at Donny (the first time they met), but that was when the latter was with Gordon Richards, so well before his Champion days. GW ran him at the track several times. He won the Rossington Main there. (I know that's not answering your question!).
Report jimnast February 14, 2013 3:32 PM GMT
another once great midweek national hunt race the rossington main.
Report onlooker February 14, 2013 3:36 PM GMT
ged, and durose.

I have revised my opinion of the Colours to -

Light Blue - either Dark Blue or Maroon, or Dark Brown, even, BRACES  - and Cap
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durose - J Galbraith colours - were - Black and White Hoops, Light Blue Sleeves.
Report tommysmum February 14, 2013 3:41 PM GMT
1991 MORLEY STREET,second in Doncaster Cup, 6 months after winning Champion Hurdle
Report durose13 February 14, 2013 3:45 PM GMT
onlooker is it Fearless Lad
Report jimnast February 14, 2013 3:48 PM GMT
thanks tommy i was really meaning over hurdles,whilst on the subject of morley street which classic winner did he beat at goodwood ?
Report onlooker February 14, 2013 3:56 PM GMT
durose - Nice try, but NO

G Soulsby colours were  - Royal Blue, White sash, and sleeves, Blue cap with White spots.

There were only 7 runners, too - when Fearless Lad won the Highflyer Stakes at Thirsk, in Sept 1981.
Report ged February 14, 2013 4:02 PM GMT
onlooker - those colours sound like the Rose Ravine colours (Smart/Jones), but obviously the wrong discipline.
Report Navel-Gazer February 14, 2013 4:04 PM GMT
Didn't Rose Ravine have red braces?
Report ged February 14, 2013 4:06 PM GMT
National Spirit gained his final win over hurdles at Doncaster, but he wasn't the Champion any more.
Report tommysmum February 14, 2013 4:06 PM GMT
MICHELEZZO,I was at Uttoxeter that day and backed it in the Narbol course shop's, had about 5 or 6 slips with £30 or £40 EW at SP, think it was 10's, the manager screamed the place down when I went to draw.
Report Navel-Gazer February 14, 2013 4:07 PM GMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J6_L5X0c1U

I was wrong Ged...it was a red cap instead
Report tommysmum February 14, 2013 4:09 PM GMT
NIGHT NURSE ran there over fences later in its career, and I'll bet SAUCY KIT ran at Donny after the Champion.
Report geoff m February 14, 2013 4:13 PM GMT
Was there day Night Nurse ran in the Mansion House hcap chase @ Donny same day as Grt Yorkshire & Brewers Hurdle.
Report jimnast February 14, 2013 4:15 PM GMT
tommy those narbol managers did not like you winning ,you would have thought it was there moneyWink
Report durose13 February 14, 2013 6:34 PM GMT
onlooker put me out of my misery plz
Report onlooker February 14, 2013 6:58 PM GMT
I honestly do not know - durose.

Two ways of. possibly, finding out

1 a} - We are able to establish whose colours they are - NOT easy -
But then need to find what horses he owned - and when, of course

1 b) - The runner-up is a Grey - carrying  either Black, or Brown, body with Pink, or possibly White,  sleeves.

2) - I wade through every Sprint race Result - including 2-yr-old races,and 3-yr-old Maidens - since around 1968 to 1978 ..... to find a wide-margin winner, with the runner-up clear of the others ....

But, then - just how FAR is this Photo from the WINNING LINE?
Report durose13 February 14, 2013 7:26 PM GMT
chesnut spotty cap are they Favourite Girl owners colours.AF Budge def got one in
Report durose13 February 14, 2013 7:28 PM GMT
i would say the winner is just approaching final furlong because that stand is "Third Ring".
Report onlooker February 14, 2013 8:43 PM GMT
Think  this is from before Budge's time.

Budge had a Red and Yellow Quartered Cap - This may just be a Red Cap
Red Epaulettes on Shoulders, too - for Budge.
Report durose13 February 14, 2013 8:58 PM GMT
1968 to 1978 that early then
Report onlooker February 14, 2013 9:10 PM GMT
Going off the cars in the background.

Also don't think that the Jockeys are wearing Helmets.
Report durose13 February 14, 2013 9:17 PM GMT
no helmets.are you extracting the urine
Report onlooker February 14, 2013 9:50 PM GMT
{b] Some COLOURS to consider[/b[ ...

Bearing in mind the QUALITY of COLOUR Photography from that time - compared to today.

I have ZOOMED Up the Picture, as best I could - and am still not sure whether the Colours on the SECOND (Grey) horse have SPOTS on the Cap - OR, it is just the Silk TIE RIBBON at the Front, and Central Cap BUTTON on the top  - as I do not think that the Jockeys are wearing Helmets.
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For those who may concur ....

- and can, consequently, come up with Trainers for these Owners - or, better still, Horses that they owned ....

LEADING Chestnut Horse.

Mrs G M WRIGHT = LIGHT BLUE - Black Epaulettes - Black Cap

Mr RICARD OHHSTROM = LIGHT BLUE, Black Stripes - Light Blue Sleeves - Black Cap

F J T PARSONS = LIGHT BLUE, Dark Blue Stripes - Light Blue Sleeves - Dark Blue Cap
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The Grey Horse in second Place

Miss J ROBSON = Black - PINK Sleeves - Pink Cap

Mrs M TENNENT = Purple - PINK Sleeves - Pink Cap

Mrs J R ROBERTS = Black - PINK Sleeves - Pink Cap, Black Spots.

Mr A P PERRY = Green, Pink Cross-Belts - PINK Sleeves - Pink Cap

Mr H SCHEFTEL = PINK, Black Sash - Pink Sleeves - Pink Cap, Black Spots

A J (Sandy) STRUTHERS = Grey - PINK Sleeves - Pink Cap, Grey Spots

Mrs S TERRY = Green, Pink Spots - PINK Sleeves - Pink Cap

Mr L WAINHOUSE = PINK, Black Cross-Belts - PINK Sleeves - White Cap.
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Of course, these will not necessarily be the only (possible) Colours being raced at that time .... whenever it was.Grin
Report durose13 February 14, 2013 10:06 PM GMT
onlooker,take my helmet off to you good work,another sleepless night tho
Report durose13 February 14, 2013 10:10 PM GMT
onlooker,did Wright Ohhstrom pARSONS have horses with Peacock around then?
Report onlooker February 14, 2013 10:15 PM GMT
I will try and check - The Ohhstrom 'link' rings a bell - from somewhere..

I am also  wondering if Parsons is the father, or Uncle, of Jim Parsons - who had those 'Superior' named horse with Fahey, recently.

Jim's colours, though, are - White, Black Star.
Report onlooker February 15, 2013 10:23 PM GMT
fawwon -

Just checking, a long-shot, son.

There isn't a DATE STAMP on the BACK of the PHOTO - is there?Grin

Photographers had a habit of doing that.
Report ged February 16, 2013 10:46 AM GMT
They do look very much like the Budge colours back in the pack. I think the epaulettes are there. The cap does look all red, but hard to be sure. It also has a noseband, some size, and looks like it's a typical Jimmy Fitz horse not being asked for everything on the day!
Report ged February 16, 2013 10:53 AM GMT
No leaves on the trees. Must be Oct/Nov?
Report ged February 16, 2013 10:57 AM GMT
Could the horse wide right be Hallgate? I think they're his colours.
Report durose13 February 16, 2013 3:00 PM GMT
sangster horse in front of the budge horse?
Report onlooker February 16, 2013 6:39 PM GMT
ged - re: "Looks like the Budge colours"

Interesting that you mention Fitzgerald as -

Tim Kilroe - of Jimmy Fitz Forgive N'Forget fame/ownership - had colours almost identical to Budge.

Budge had Red Epaulettes - with a  Red & Yellow QUARTERED Cap .....

Kilroe had a Red SPOTS - with a RED Cap.

I favour the Kilroe colours, in this Photo.
Report verbotene liebe February 16, 2013 9:44 PM GMT
That horse on the outside does have colours similar to Hallgate. Hippodrome racing ( Andy Geraghty) had a few in training which I'm sure was no earlier than 82 or 83. However, what makes me think this is the 70's is the colours worn by the crowd. When we got to 82,83,84, people were commonly wearing bright coloured clothes with those two tone jackets being popular.And as this is the Silver Ring in the background, with no dress code, there would have been some flashy colours to be seen if this was as late as 82,83+  My Saturday evenings are so exciting LOL
Report ged February 17, 2013 9:45 AM GMT
On further thought, I don't think it can be Hallgate as I can't see him being beaten that far in a late season race at Thirsk, as he was classy as a 2yo.

I still think it's those colours though, despite vl's Sat night astute social observations.
Report ged February 17, 2013 9:46 AM GMT
Has Thirsk ever raced in Oct/Nov? Perhaps not. I guess late Sept then.
Report ribero1 February 17, 2013 10:33 AM GMT
Thirsk got the november handicap the year the leger meeting was abandoned.
Report flanders February 17, 2013 10:51 AM GMT
1989.
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