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THIS WILL CEASE TO EXIST WITHIN 2 YEARS.
After several cases etc ,only a question of time.
And several contacts.
VW
After several cases etc ,only a question of time.
And several contacts.
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save me a fortune because I aint going back to a bookies,bring it on.
be fair lads, from the best thing since sliced bread to the ruination off all thing racing in ten years, how times change.
Thanks for taking the timeout to share your CONTACTS INFO
roo,you know the score.
only a question of time.
ask you all this- so many obscure markets covered,and also so many smaller markets contained in those too.Anything considered underhand will discolour radically any market.To the extent that a normal small swing in opinion will snowball greatly no matter what.
only a question of time.
ask you all this- so many obscure markets covered,and also so many smaller markets contained in those too.Anything considered underhand will discolour radically any market.To the extent that a normal small swing in opinion will snowball greatly no matter what.
dreamland stuff,the exchanges will be here in 50 years
racing wont be if they are, pandoro, its eating itself alive from the insides at present.
ILL GIVE 3 RACES TOMORROW.TO PLAY IN.ARBERS PARADISE
What a strange appearance by videowatcher.
He has been on Betfair for 10 years - yet has only posted 33 times since the forum was re-launched around 3 years ago .....
Now he opens up as if he posts several times a day, every day.
He has been on Betfair for 10 years - yet has only posted 33 times since the forum was re-launched around 3 years ago .....
Now he opens up as if he posts several times a day, every day.
Notice the lack of the word bookmaker in the op fools statement, bit of a give away ...
The exchanges have done what Bookmakers couldnt manage for thirty odd years, WORKED!
API fed exchange betting ticking like a well oiled swiss movement with a million wizards matched on most races like clockwork also
bf can you not sit and think for 3 minutes ,then post once instead posting one after the other its fooking annoying
bf was like a country discovering a new sea full of cod. There were a few good fishing boats who couldn't land the cod fast enough. However the cod began to be fished faster than it could replenish itself when people brought in sophisticated fishing boats that didn't need manning. Other people developed boats that could see where the cod was going to be a few seconds before it got there. The cod had no escape. The country realised that it was charging the people with sophisticated fishing boats the same as regular ones so decided to charge them a lot more. Now only the best fishing boats fish the sea, where there are far less cod to catch. Eventually there will be no cod left and the boats will leave for another sea.
Been hearing this since 2003. Every other month for the last 10 years. Still the same amounts matched on each race as there was last year and the year before. It slows down and picks up again for a number of different reasons and will continue to do so.
Some markets are dead but others are thriving
Some markets are dead but others are thriving
videowatcher.
Three questions please?
1) Is your first name Betfair?
2) Is your second name Eddie?
3) Is your last name Ahern?
Thank you
Three questions please?
1) Is your first name Betfair?
2) Is your second name Eddie?
3) Is your last name Ahern?
Thank you
cider , can't they just fish for haddock or plaice instead 
Racing will be here in 50 years. Fewer racecourses and fewer races yes, but if they're taken from the bottom end that might not be such a bad thing. Exchnges? There's £20m to be made p/a in one. Somebody will do it if BF don't want to.
exchanges are a sure fire profit
unless government taxing makes them uncompetitive they are here to stay imo
if they dont make as much as they used to...too much racing that is all, overexposure
but it is guaranteed profit even if reduced
unless government taxing makes them uncompetitive they are here to stay imo
if they dont make as much as they used to...too much racing that is all, overexposure
but it is guaranteed profit even if reduced
The British Government does have a history of over taxing and regulating businesses and trying to do it to ex British based businesses just show how callous they can be to win an election to stay in power as they seem to just want to get in the seats and do sod all to really help causes.The current UK government needs to help and spend a bit more and stop all these cuts and the bank bashing doesn't help either.
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bf was like a country discovering a new sea full of cod. There were a few good fishing boats who couldn't land the cod fast enough. However the cod began to be fished faster than it could replenish itself when people brought in sophisticated fishing boats that didn't need manning. Other people developed boats that could see where the cod was going to be a few seconds before it got there. The cod had no escape. The country realised that it was charging the people with sophisticated fishing boats the same as regular ones so decided to charge them a lot more. Now only the best fishing boats fish the sea, where there are far less cod to catch. Eventually there will be no cod left and the boats will leave for another sea.
^ nough said imo.
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bf was like a country discovering a new sea full of cod. There were a few good fishing boats who couldn't land the cod fast enough. However the cod began to be fished faster than it could replenish itself when people brought in sophisticated fishing boats that didn't need manning. Other people developed boats that could see where the cod was going to be a few seconds before it got there. The cod had no escape. The country realised that it was charging the people with sophisticated fishing boats the same as regular ones so decided to charge them a lot more. Now only the best fishing boats fish the sea, where there are far less cod to catch. Eventually there will be no cod left and the boats will leave for another sea.
^ nough said imo.
videowatcher
06 Feb 13 19:29
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33 replies shows all intelligent betfair customers that this member has his/her finger on the pulse in respect
of Exchange betting market research and activity,also he/she hasn't even replied or commented since his/her wild claims thus
must be building up energy reserves for another post in the spring say, providing he or she is still standing.
06 Feb 13 19:29
Joined: 01 Mar 03 | Topic/replies: 33 | Blogger: videowatcher's blog
33 replies shows all intelligent betfair customers that this member has his/her finger on the pulse in respect
of Exchange betting market research and activity,also he/she hasn't even replied or commented since his/her wild claims thus
must be building up energy reserves for another post in the spring say, providing he or she is still standing.
The exchanges have done what Bookmakers couldnt manage for thirty odd years, WORKED!
Thirty odd years? Bookmaking started circa 1980, did it?
Thirty odd years? Bookmaking started circa 1980, did it?
high street Bookmaking became legal in the sixties though the current trend of FOBT proliferation is an unfortunate and socially regrettable consequence.
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The 1960 Act legalised off-course bookmakers. Pool betting on horses is a monopoly of the state-owned Tote. There is a large market in the United Kingdom for ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling_in_the_United_KingdomShare
The 1960 Act legalised off-course bookmakers. Pool betting on horses is a monopoly of the state-owned Tote. There is a large market in the United Kingdom for ...
Bookmakers have existed since the eighteenth century when Horse racing started
Yes but not legal in city streets till the Sixites, hence the expression bookies runner as they would hang around street
corners taking bets and if spotted would run like the clappers
corners taking bets and if spotted would run like the clappers
In fact the bookis at one time could run faster than the horses nowadays
you are correct b/f
the point is before exchanges people have always prefered bookmakers to the tote
usually better odds and you could fix the odds of the bet you placed
now people have exchanges which do the same and offer slightly better odds(not always though)
and one can lay back
Because of our love affair with bookmakers and now the exchanges
less money is returned to racing
which is why countries with tote monopolies offer better prize money
but as a punter I prefer our way
the point is before exchanges people have always prefered bookmakers to the tote
usually better odds and you could fix the odds of the bet you placed
now people have exchanges which do the same and offer slightly better odds(not always though)
and one can lay back
Because of our love affair with bookmakers and now the exchanges
less money is returned to racing
which is why countries with tote monopolies offer better prize money
but as a punter I prefer our way
Ah but thats not the full picture really as one must of noticed that in the past many business would fall over each over
to sponsor races and most of this has all but gone, now its only bookmakers sponsoring races as well as paying a levy that wasn't payed before so the real missing component is a healthy economy to both offer better prize money via sponsor ship and
provide more racing enthusiasts to be able to afford race horses and the up keep.
The whole issue is really complex and pointing the finger at just one sector like bookmakers, exchanges or the BHA isnt fair if we are all honest and it takes co-operation and support to keep things good for the sport of racing, lets hope this does happen...
to sponsor races and most of this has all but gone, now its only bookmakers sponsoring races as well as paying a levy that wasn't payed before so the real missing component is a healthy economy to both offer better prize money via sponsor ship and
provide more racing enthusiasts to be able to afford race horses and the up keep.
The whole issue is really complex and pointing the finger at just one sector like bookmakers, exchanges or the BHA isnt fair if we are all honest and it takes co-operation and support to keep things good for the sport of racing, lets hope this does happen...
Probably the biggest potential problems facing horse racing are Bookmakings trying to avoid paying a levy in favor
of the FOBT trade that was payed for by profits from horse betting over the decades, buisness distancing themselves from racing due to the poor public realtions service it gets from the socail stigma created by bookmakers creating problem gambling and the grand national causing high profile horse casualities.
And its clealry greed that will hurt horse racing the most along with the usual do gooders that would like to see all racing horses and greyhounds on the scrap heap and bury the whole culture of horse racing along with many thousands of horses.
of the FOBT trade that was payed for by profits from horse betting over the decades, buisness distancing themselves from racing due to the poor public realtions service it gets from the socail stigma created by bookmakers creating problem gambling and the grand national causing high profile horse casualities.
And its clealry greed that will hurt horse racing the most along with the usual do gooders that would like to see all racing horses and greyhounds on the scrap heap and bury the whole culture of horse racing along with many thousands of horses.
you are indeed right bf..
The parlous state of our economy has hit racing like everything else...
and yes greed is a big problem..,,societys problem..it is the only value people live by nowadays..none other
and yes it is destructive like too much of anything
I still think Horse racing will survive it is the sport of Kings or at least the upper classes
it will never die out..just less courses
The parlous state of our economy has hit racing like everything else...
and yes greed is a big problem..,,societys problem..it is the only value people live by nowadays..none other
and yes it is destructive like too much of anything
I still think Horse racing will survive it is the sport of Kings or at least the upper classes
it will never die out..just less courses
Horses have already been replaced historically as mans powerhouse and transport means by machines and
no gaming machine on earth can replace the sheer beauty and thrill of seeing a horse like Frankel
storming to the finish line, and that is a cert!
Long live the culture and sport of racing thorough bred horses.
no gaming machine on earth can replace the sheer beauty and thrill of seeing a horse like Frankel
storming to the finish line, and that is a cert!
Long live the culture and sport of racing thorough bred horses.
When you say "after several cases", do you mean you came to these conclusions after consuming "several cases" of whisky ?
Cider 06 Feb 13 20:42
bf was like a country discovering a new sea full of cod. There were a few good fishing boats who couldn't land the cod fast enough. However the cod began to be fished faster than it could replenish itself when people brought in sophisticated fishing boats that didn't need manning. Other people developed boats that could see where the cod was going to be a few seconds before it got there. The cod had no escape. The country realised that it was charging the people with sophisticated fishing boats the same as regular ones so decided to charge them a lot more. Now only the best fishing boats fish the sea, where there are far less cod to catch. Eventually there will be no cod left and the boats will leave for another sea.
And some of the cod are charged more now!
bf was like a country discovering a new sea full of cod. There were a few good fishing boats who couldn't land the cod fast enough. However the cod began to be fished faster than it could replenish itself when people brought in sophisticated fishing boats that didn't need manning. Other people developed boats that could see where the cod was going to be a few seconds before it got there. The cod had no escape. The country realised that it was charging the people with sophisticated fishing boats the same as regular ones so decided to charge them a lot more. Now only the best fishing boats fish the sea, where there are far less cod to catch. Eventually there will be no cod left and the boats will leave for another sea.
And some of the cod are charged more now!
A few life bans for jockeys would cut 95% of the corruption , a £5000 bung versus a career as a "Game of Thrones" extra , no brainer.
bout time imo - exchanges are whats wrong with the sport
Before any more blame is put onto the exchanges,take a good look at society today.The exchanges are there,it doesn't mean anyone has to cheat.
Sportsmen have access to all sorts of performance enhancing drugs,but they don't have to use them.
It is an endictment on society,the amount of corruption that goes on,not to mention people's own personal lives,like affairs.
Trust and integrity appears to be a thing of the past,just look at the people voted to run our country,including ALL parties,mess after mess,after mess.
There always have been,and always will be,ways and means to cheat in life,but they don't have to be used ,it isn't necessary.
Exchanges are no way to blame for people's poor scruples,it is the cheaters that are to blame,plain and simple.
Sportsmen have access to all sorts of performance enhancing drugs,but they don't have to use them.
It is an endictment on society,the amount of corruption that goes on,not to mention people's own personal lives,like affairs.
Trust and integrity appears to be a thing of the past,just look at the people voted to run our country,including ALL parties,mess after mess,after mess.
There always have been,and always will be,ways and means to cheat in life,but they don't have to be used ,it isn't necessary.
Exchanges are no way to blame for people's poor scruples,it is the cheaters that are to blame,plain and simple.
The big rails and tatts boys made fortunes built on knowing what was busy and what was not. It was around long before the days of exchanges.
BobSievier • February 7, 2013 8:53 AM GMT
A few life bans for jockeys would cut 95% of the corruption , a £5000 bung versus a career as a "Game of Thrones" extra , no brainer.
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gman500 • February 7, 2013 9:16 AM GMT
bout time imo - exchanges are whats wrong with the sport
Only 1 horse wins each race unless its a dead heat and this has been the nature of racing results
before and after either bookmakers or exchanges came into being!
Stop backing losers !
A few life bans for jockeys would cut 95% of the corruption , a £5000 bung versus a career as a "Game of Thrones" extra , no brainer.
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gman500 • February 7, 2013 9:16 AM GMT
bout time imo - exchanges are whats wrong with the sport
Only 1 horse wins each race unless its a dead heat and this has been the nature of racing results
before and after either bookmakers or exchanges came into being!
Stop backing losers !
Bent jockeys & trainers have been round since time started,most bookies benefitted from it,these days with the exchange its just more blatant.If the moves on the exchanges were policed properly then they could be instrumental in cleaning the game up,alongside as bobseiver said draconian penalties to those offending.Use the exchanges dont get rid of them,the old system was no better.
Exchanges future revolves around taxation ie. tax on turnover. Nothing else.
Betfair is the greatest thing since sliced bread.Bent or straight makes no difference to succesful punting.If racing was 100% straight , the mugs would still lose,the shrewdies would still win,and the incompetent pocket talkers would still be on here blaming someone for their losses.
Racing is bent with or without exchanges, always has been and always will be. Exchanges are here to stay. Heaven forbid that bookies corner the market again.
Bent or straight makes no difference to successful punting. artie your spot on the money
The difference to pre exchanges and now is, the true form man could more easily understand why a horse was not off. Usually it was because it was getting handicapped. Seeing a horse cruising, but not being given a hard time and not winning, could be used to your advantage. You still got the mugs who'd cry and moan, like in the Top Cees affair, when in reality they could have just done the obvious and backed it at Chester 8/1 and lived happily ever after.
Now there were people (mainly trainers and some owners), who have always been able to lay horses, but not every Tom, Dick and Harry, and especially Jockeys. Of course the exchanges have facilitated the masses, the cheating, imo has become widespread, and horses have been stopped, not for handicapping purposes, but for laying, even when they could possibly win. It has become much more difficult for a true form man to get to grips with what is going on a lot of the time.
Yes it is still possible to make betting pay, and there are still plenty of mugs who would never make it pay, but the whole game is much harder now than 20 years ago.
Now there were people (mainly trainers and some owners), who have always been able to lay horses, but not every Tom, Dick and Harry, and especially Jockeys. Of course the exchanges have facilitated the masses, the cheating, imo has become widespread, and horses have been stopped, not for handicapping purposes, but for laying, even when they could possibly win. It has become much more difficult for a true form man to get to grips with what is going on a lot of the time.
Yes it is still possible to make betting pay, and there are still plenty of mugs who would never make it pay, but the whole game is much harder now than 20 years ago.
Its harder now because races have become more competitive and the days of the likes of Provideo running up a massive winning run are long gone. The World is in a recession and trainers have got to be a bit more cute to survive. Especially as prize money is so low. Taking away exchanges won't stop fiddling in races. Exchanges in fact make it easier to spot the crooks. The people who choose to break the rules are at fault, not the exchanges.
"The whole game is much harder.....".Nonsense.How can this possibly be true with all the wonderful facilities offered by Betfair.Twenty years ago you couldnt see a bookmaker offering 10/1 and ask him for 16/1 like you can on here.Twenty years ago you couldn't back a horse and then change your mind and lay out of it etc.etc.etc.etc.
^ thicket, think he was alluding in reading the form !
... and perhaps what's ''off'' & ''what's not''...
Guns don't kill people, people do.
Likewise, Betfair isn't to blame for the skullduggery of the insiders.
Likewise, Betfair isn't to blame for the skullduggery of the insiders.
exchanges have more massive markets to get into ( if they can ) that can keep them in business
china
india
usa
china
india
usa
Most of the big sports betting scams are backed/laid on far east legal/illegal books not betfair.
Very sad state of affairs,no intelligent replies from video-watcher for next 20 years unless brain transplants
can be done on a shoestring.
can be done on a shoestring.
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