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as Government aims to end 'welfare for life'

New figures show 71 per cent of claimants do not go through proper checks.

Without reform, one in every 17 adults would be claiming DLA by 2018 says Disability minister .

By James Chapman
13 December 2012

The Government is to reduce or stop disability allowance for hundreds of thousands of claimants in a bid to end unchecked ‘welfare for life’.

The clampdown comes as new figures suggest that seven in ten of those claiming the benefit go through the system without proper checks.

Ministers intend to reassess an initial 560,000 claimants, and expect that 330,000 – nearly 60 per cent – will get no award or a reduced sum after the checks.

There are currently 3.2million adults claiming disability living allowance (DLA), costing Britain £13.2billion a year – equivalent to the entire budget for the Department for Transport.


The number of claimants has more than trebled since the benefit was created in 1992.

Disability minister Esther McVey said without reform, one in every 17 adults would be claiming DLA by 2018.


The Tory minister said the vast majority of claimants – 71 per cent – get the benefit ‘for life’, often having filled in an initial claim form about their capability themselves.

She added that about a third of people with a disability had a change in a condition in a year – some for the worse, but many for the better.

This suggests that in many cases claimants may no longer need the full benefit or any allowance at all.

The first 560,000 claimants will be reassessed by October 2015.

The group consists of those who report a change in circumstance or who have been given a time-limited award that comes to an end.

In a concession to critics, the Government will slow down the timetable for checks on the remaining claimants, which will begin in 2015. It is not clear that the same proportion  will see benefits reduced in the second stage as in the first.

An independent review of the first stage of reform will be conducted in 2014.

The Government has already identified £630million in overpayments and £190million in underpayments, highlighting the turmoil in the welfare system.

Miss McVey said: ‘It has been considered a static benefit, not a dynamic one. But there will be people getting better thanks to medical advances or who overcome an impairment. So we need new and more regular assessments.

DLA is an outdated benefit introduced over 20 years ago.

‘At the moment the vast majority of people get the benefit for life without systematic checks to see if their condition has changed.’ The Coalition is replacing DLA with a new benefit, called the personal independence payment.

It will be designed to target more generous support towards ‘those who need it most’.

The new system will involve a medical expert assessing a claim in a face-to-face appointment, and regular later checks.

Last night, charities voiced a chorus of protest at plans to slash the disability benefit bill.

A poll by campaign group Disability Alliance found that 9 per cent of survey respondents said losing the disability living allowance ‘may make life not worth living’.

The group has also protested that the Government had identified cuts in spending before consulting on which elements of benefits needed to be reformed.

The clampdown on disability benefit emerged as the Conservatives and Labour traded increasingly bitter blows over efforts to cut the vast welfare budget
At Prime Minister’s Questions yesterday, David Cameron condemned Labour as the party of ‘unlimited welfare’.

Ed Miliband made clear Labour will oppose Government plans to cap most out-of-work benefits and tax credits to a below-inflation 1 per cent increase for the next three years.

Labour claims that the squeeze will hit lower income families who are in work but in receipt of tax credits as well as the unemployed, but the Prime Minister insisted that such concern is misplaced.

Working families would be more than compensated by other measures, most notably, a record increase in the basic rate income tax threshold to £9,440, Mr Cameron said.

Officials say the average working family would be £125 a year better off next year once the income tax break, the tax credit squeeze and the cancellation of a 3p rise in fuel duty are taken into account.

Savings from the welfare cap are so significant that it would take a 1p rise income tax to plug the gap.

Mr Miliband accused the Government of seeking to ‘divide and rule’, by portraying benefit claimants as ‘scroungers’

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By:
swift-tuttle
When: 13 Dec 12 11:57
This is so difficult but it occurs to me that there wouldn't be a problem if people were basically honest. I used to work in a Supplementary Benefit office in the 70s and, at that time, there were several elderly people in the area who you could not force to claim benefits because they thought it was demeaning.
By:
pauli
When: 13 Dec 12 11:57
It's about time that the problems surrounding Disability Living Allowance were tackled.  The self assessment form is a major problem in itself as it forces claimants to exaggerate their disabilities in order to get the benefit.  I worked in a Citizens Advice Bureau for 17 years and I can honestly say that the majority of claimants that I dealt with were economical with the truth when talking about the effects of their disabilities.
By:
ebulGery
When: 13 Dec 12 12:16
Fred Goodwin

Former Royal Bank of Scotland chief executive

cost the british taxpayer £40 billion in just a few months

then complained when they his knighthood away

disability living allowance tends to get paid to the best actors I am afraid
By:
salmon spray
When: 13 Dec 12 12:20
I`ve never been on DLA but I have been receiving Incapacity Benefit for about 14 years. This was on a contributory basis as I had worked for 25 years or so previously. I had to give up work or frankly I would have ended up in a mental hospital. I was assessed by doctors with qualifications in mental health 3 times in that period. I have now been assessed for ESA by a halfwit who described herself as a registered nurse,which could mean anything and was evasive when I asked about any further qualifications. My benefit is stopping on Dec 25th. At the age of 62 I am certainly no better than I was and feel that I am implicitly being accused of defrauding the state for 14 years. I shan't starve but I have no intention of signing on and saying I am fit for work. They are penalising genuine cases by far the majority when they should be concentrating on the odd fraudulent ones. Not to mention the tax evaders.
By:
Alias
When: 13 Dec 12 12:30
If it's ATOS doing the assessments, the number of successful claimants will probably reach single figures by the time they're finished.
By:
stattman
When: 13 Dec 12 12:32
unfortunatly its not just the odd fraudulent ones there are thousands of these scroungers out there . having worked in bookies all over the north east you can hear these people planning there next claims . if the government went into any pub,club or bookies anywhere in the country they would see the same people sitting enjoying life having never worked a stroke for years . these are the poeple who blight the benifit system and until its tackled they will continue to cost the honest tax payer instead of the money going to genuin cases .
By:
northanlite
When: 13 Dec 12 12:34
[i]if the government went into any pub,club or bookies anywhere in the country they would see the same people sitting enjoying life having never worked a stroke for years .

or they could just read the betfair forum for similar
By:
pumphol.
When: 13 Dec 12 12:35
Sadly this will be like traffic wardens who have to get a certain amount of tickets every day, assessors will be pressurised to fail the majority of claimants however genuine, there is going to be a monumental amount of resentment over this.
By:
hasty
When: 13 Dec 12 12:35
wot about the 119 billion they save by not paying carers like me
By:
pauli
When: 13 Dec 12 12:36
Disability Living Allowance needs to be better targeted.  Of course many claimants are genuinely suffering from the effects of their disabilities and should receive more financial assistance.  But there are many others who exaggerate their level of disability.  I used to represent claimants at Disability Appeal Tribunals and I've had them turn up in neck braces, wheelchairs, with crutches and walking sticks having previously seen them in our office without such aids.  I even did a home visit on one occasion having been told that the client was severely disabled.  I completed the Disability Living Allowance claim form for the client, went to leave, and the client came out with me and walked down the street with me with no difficulty at all.  It does need to be tackled.
By:
ozziebob
When: 13 Dec 12 12:36
Yet more propaganda against the poor and weak
By:
salmon spray
When: 13 Dec 12 12:42
That`s no doubt pauli,but I am now beginning to wish that I had not told the truth. I am probably still PHYSICALLY capable of doing certain types of job but the physical assessment includes that you are capable of walking up two steps as a one-off ffs.
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 13 Dec 12 12:50
Hope you can resolve this salmon. Don`t see the point in targeting people your age. Everywhere i go as you`ll be aware is full of young men with nothing to do.
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 13 Dec 12 12:55
Telling the truth isn`t all it`s cracked up to be.
By:
aberdonia
When: 13 Dec 12 12:57
When my dad had cancer, sadly now dead, the forms he had to fill in were a disgrace.  Well, the forms i filled in.  The man had worked
7 days a week since the age of 16 and had never had a state benefit in his life.  He would not have claimed anything for himself.

What annoyed me, was that initially he received the same award as the 19 year old male who had never worked and looked fit as a fiddle.

these people should be targeted and made to claim job seekers allowance.

Weed out the wasters so that people like Salmon get what they are entitled to.

As for the carer's stuff, why should people expect state money for helping family members.  Everyone today wants money from the state.
By:
bilbobaggins
When: 13 Dec 12 13:16
The reason , aberdonia, is that they save the state billions because without their help the people they are looking after would become the state's problem. They are the unsung heroes of our society.
By:
pumphol.
When: 13 Dec 12 13:20
aberdonia     13 Dec 12 12:57 

As for the carer's stuff, why should people expect state money for helping family members.  Everyone today wants money from the state.




So someone who may have to give up work to look after a family member which may well be 24 hour round the clock care should receive nothing ?
By:
pumphol.
When: 13 Dec 12 13:21
Also how much would that cost the state to look after the same person ?


Still think family members should receive nowt ?
By:
BIG GURU
When: 13 Dec 12 13:58
Salmon,obviously I dont know of your personal circumstances but it sounds as if you have a genuine case,why dont you get advice from your local CAB and appeal.
By:
aberdonia
When: 13 Dec 12 14:00
Fair enough re carers.

i thought that you could get carers allowance.
By:
salmon spray
When: 13 Dec 12 14:05
I am intending to appeal.
Local CAB seems to have had it's funding cut as all I get is a recorded message.
You only get a month to appeal which is awkward at this time of the year and they are taking their time at the DWP sending me a leaflet I have requested. I am going to bung a short note in saying I am appealing and will build the case later. Unless of course it proves too stressful,which is the Catch 22 they rely on I suspect.
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 13 Dec 12 14:08
salmon - if i can help in any small way just ask. PM me and i`ll send you my email address.
By:
BIG GURU
When: 13 Dec 12 14:13
Ah,good to hear Salmon,my mate is treasurer of our local CAB and he tells me they are inundated with requests for help,I can understand about you not being able to contact them by phone,if you are fit why not pay them a visit,they will be of great help in your appeal.
By:
whodareswins
When: 13 Dec 12 15:36
ss why is it you do not qualify as a pensioner at 62?  And therefore, Pension Credit, as you do qualify for Incapacity Benefit.
By:
highgosforthpark
When: 13 Dec 12 15:39
in running liquidity to decrease further then Silly
By:
salmon spray
When: 13 Dec 12 15:44
No US markets might.
I would be getting OAP if I had a sex change. I downsized a couple of years ago so I have too much capital to get Pension credit. Then there is the massive amount I have won on here       Silly
By:
boxingthefox
When: 13 Dec 12 15:54
I had too much capital until my ex missus hired Fiona Shackleton as her divorce lawyer, (true)CryCryCryCryCry
By:
madhatters
When: 13 Dec 12 15:57
ATOS
= Pure sharks & toSS*rs
Target is performance related
They target you & if your performance can manage one off exercises
Out the door & find work
Whats worse
Docs are believing this tosh
Even though they sign you off

How does that work Angry
By:
salmon spray
When: 13 Dec 12 16:07
My GP thinks it's bollox tbf. It's the bloody govt trying to look tough. And I think it is correct that Atos have targets to meet though no-one will say so.
By:
boxingthefox
When: 13 Dec 12 16:08
Hatters, I had an ATHOS assesment by a nurse?? this year, after surgery on my shoulder, followed by Spinal surgery, and full knee replacement, (not long  before the assesment) + other more minor surgery, so quite a bit of metal in my body,all in the space of a few years. Passed fit for work, I have applied for a job as a magnet tester in my local scrap yard.LaughCryLaugh
By:
madhatters
When: 13 Dec 12 16:11
Know the feeling box
Been there Laugh
By:
mr crisp
When: 13 Dec 12 16:12
the government are playing the numbers game chuck about  50% off dla
hope 50% of these dont appeal, hope another 30% lose their appeal
and make it much harder for anybody to get on the new replacement benefit
theres a start to getting it under control rightfully or wrongly
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 13 Dec 12 16:15
One of my mates went to A****S and they said to him that his condition was clearly improving as he'd managed to get to an interview!
He had no fcukin' choice as they've stopped their home visits (which he requested) and would just cancel his benefit if he didn't show up!

He was assessed as fine & dandy but he appealed and at his tribunal, they were puzzled why he was even there! Shocked

They're on bonuses for REJECTING claimants...there was a documentary on TV a couple of months ago and there was a clear agenda, though of course it was strongly rebuffed - foreign companies making a packet of tax-payers money at the expense of the poor & vulnerable!

There's always the other side of the coin, in that the woman my mate was living with thought she'd get a piece of the action too, and with a few tears, convinced them she was still devastated & depressed after a miscarriage twenty years ago - she's getting a decent wedge whilst genuine people get fcuk all!

As someone said before...it seems to be about how good an actor you are and the exaggerations of the 'symptoms' they claim!
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 13 Dec 12 16:16
*** = ATÓSSERS
By:
salmon spray
When: 13 Dec 12 16:17
The difficulty with that is that a lot of people like me find the whole appeal thing extremely stressful when stress is what has caused most of our problems in the first place. Because of that I MIGHT not go through with it because I won't starve until I get my OAP in early 2015 but some will.
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 13 Dec 12 16:18
That's what the fcukers rely on SS...persevere and good luck to you Wink
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 13 Dec 12 16:20
It used to be easy to fake mental illness, you just had tell your doctor that you were considering killing yourself.
Now you have to prove it.

Oops, and another one bites the dust.
By:
councillor
When: 13 Dec 12 16:21
DLA is a farce and claimed by many malingerers that is true!!!. However, they need to make sure that the people who should have it for bona fide reasons ie. diabilities that impair their sight movement etc.keep it.The other thing is some poor kids suffer where there parents drink, smoke or gamble the benefits and sometimes these yougsters revert to crime. The cyrcle needs to be cut somehow
By:
madhatters
When: 13 Dec 12 16:22
Thats exactly what they want you to do SS Sad

Rock backwards & forwards in chair
Get up, walk about
Be aggressive without threatening
Get up their noses

Its your rightful money Grin
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