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09 Dec 12
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Fred Winter?
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jonjo
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Pat Eddery
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off the top of my head,johnjo oneill,pat eddery,walter swinburn and jamie osbourne are 4 that wont be at the top of the list
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Josh Gifford ?
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salmon,agreed.
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Jonjo's won plenty of top races, Gold cup,Grand national,festival winners and many more.A bit harsh to say he aint a top trainer.
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Tommy Stack, Dessie Hughes?
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Paul Kelleway!
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Keith Dalglish?
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Barton, in time in time.
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Harry Wragg
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I can't think of a flat jockey since Wragg and Richards who was a real success as a trainer. Lewis,Durr,Swinburn all had a bit of success and I am sure there were one or two others who operated at that level but not first rank.
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Geoff Lewis. won the 1000 and 20000 guineas Derby, Arc, etc, trained about 500 winners.
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Trevor Kersey
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salmon, I think D.Smith was quite successful seem to remember he trained some big winners for Lord Derby.
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durose he was better at training Pigs than Horses.
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J Francombe
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Dandy and Paul Nicholls were both decent jocks and went on to be decent trainers
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Outpost both M Dickinson and David Nicholson were decent jockeys who were top class trainers.
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Neither Nicholls was exactly top-class as a jock imo.
I've been wracking my brains for 10 mins trying to remember which Derby and Arc winners Lewis TRAINED. Now reread the post. |
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Nicholson would qualify imo even though he wasn't exactly a nice man.
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salmon spray, you know exactly what I was saying, now don't make a cúnt of yourself, there's a good chap.
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salmon I am surprised at what you posted about Nicholson I always found him
to have liked a drink but nice with it. |
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Ann Stokell
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No need to be abusive boxingthefox. I worked it out eventually though it was hardly clearly expressed.
I'll just say Nicholson wasn't EVERYONE's cup of tea. |
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Bruce Hobbs.
At the age of 17 rode Battleship to win the Grand National. Turned to training after injuries forced him to retire from riding at 25. |
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Fair comment SS, apologies.
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Not sure who but it amazing how many journeyman jockeys suddenly become "gambling trainers".....
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the last one he asked for, and thats jonjo.
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A P O'Brien, great jockey he was...........
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Freddie Head of Miesque and Goldikova fame
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Must be famous if you then have to mention his rides.....
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It was for the benefit of the younger forumites who might not know Freddie once was a jockey, and for any older ones who are suffering from amnesia!
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Chris Grant may not yet be a top trainer but he is gradually moving up the greasy pole. Nick Henderson was a very good amateur who might have done well as a pro if he had given it a try. It is a very long time sice a champion jockey under eiher code has reached the top 5 trainers. Peter Scudamore is getting there but he does not hold the license.
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Might not be liked on here but surely jonjo has been in the top 5 many times?
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out of the names mentioned so far, I would say that for NH both Fred Winter and Jonjo have ridden and trained big race winners and on the flat Freddy Head has ridden and trained group winners.
Gordon Richards was a top jockey and I know he trained National winners but I'm not sure if he ever had a big Cheltenham winner. |