ladcrokes thread

bloke was plainly fishing ffs...

Hi slickster, not fishing worked in the racing industry for 30 + years. Iwill write aletter to racing post then contact ibas if no joy but what ever the outcome just trying to give information so that other punters dont lose out when they back a winner? The bet is not gonna make or break me but do believe in justice????????? This is the e-mail i received from Jessica at customer services. Our shop systems are designed to take any bet regardless of if they are in the system or not.It is down to the customer to see if we are taking bets on the event or not,Unfortunately the bet will stand as void.Sorry slickster dont go fishing its boring????????????????

listen there is no way even sads can "void" a bet like this. if you are telling the truth and they wont cough up BRING THEM TO COURT!!!!! they are 100% in the wrong.

Slickster how are they in the wrong if they state in their rules that they don't take bets on the event in question?

(no idea if that is the case or not)

IF THE HORSE HAD LOSSED I BET THEY WOOD HAVE KEPT YOU'RE STEAK!!!!

are you trying to tell me sads wont take a bet on a european group 1???
i know you can't call them bookies any more but this is too much. how low can they sink?
the bet was taken. bloke has a few quid on a horse. ooo ooooh it's running in italy. we better void it. pull the other one.

Million to one on that you will get paid if indeed you are not fishing.

How can Ladcocks have a rule stating that they do not take bets on a Group One Event with the card and result published in the Racing Post...

YAWN...

That would mean that they do not take bets on ANY foreign cards printed in that esteemed organ that are not covered by SIS !!!

Time for all backers to demand refunds on French German and Australian racing....

Melbourne Cup and Cox Plate backers form an orderly queue...

Homefortea you need to lose your RP obsession!

You are also missing the point. It is all down to the rules. If they want to include a rule that states that they don't take bets on Cheltenham they would be quite within their rights to void all such bets this weekend regardless of the fact that the RP produced a nice colour Cheltenham pull out and had a picture of Grands Crus on the front cover.

Whether the rules are ridiculous or not is another matter entirely.

Hi slickster have just e-mailed IBAS with my case will let you know the outcome as soon as?As i said in my thread which was pulled for some reason?What betting shop would you ever ask if they were betting on a group 1 in italy which was advertised in the racing post with betting and the result came through with dividends?As far as i know you can bet on any sporting outcome eg boat race whether it will snow on xmas day etc etc etc as yul bryner used to say.

kangaroo - I hope you are prepared to be disappointed with the ruling you receive from IBAS.

Of course it is all down to Rules Bon Viveur...

That is why the bet was acceptable and if I was a Senior Manager (!) at Ladcocks I would be in despair at the way that my poorly paid ("peanuts" etc) staff interpret them...

kangaroo,


I hope Laddies doe giv' ya a czech that bounces !     

Yes Homefortea i agree how many people go in a betting shop and ask are they taking bets on the pardubicia in check republic or santa anita etc.Obviously they are not a bookmakers. Just dont want anyone thinking they have backed a winner when they have not??????????????

The thread was pulled because banned banks was making a fool of himself and his paymasters were not that keen on the way the thread had developed !!

Cue another missing link......

Prey, how was B B making a fool of himself ?


What he' s stated seems perfectly reasonable to me ?

Iwould never had gone back for a refund if it had got beat.Or would customer services e-mailed me to tell me the bet was void and i could have my money back????????????

Of course it is all down to Rules Bon Viveur...

That is why the bet was acceptable and if I was a Senior Manager (!) at Ladcocks I would be in despair at the way that my poorly paid ("peanuts" etc) staff interpret them...

The bet was accepted subject to the rules. The fact is that the staff haven't bothered looking at them until later.

Regardless of that is there not someone in a Lads shop now who can have a look at the rules and see if they cover Capannelle and put an end to this sorry tale!

We will never know..

The thread was pulled and you had gone to bed earlier anyhow halcyon !!

kangeroo,


how could they e-mail you if as you state... you had the bet in the shop ?

Methinks you're joshin' k !

Halcyon is right. It is embarrassing how stupid BB shows these people to be.

Banned banks do you really think that there will be a list of foreign racetracks that are acceptable to Ladcocks  printed in their rules..

You really must get out more...

OMG,


Martyn agrees with me !     

The thread was pulled because banned banks was making a fool of himself and his paymasters were not that keen on the way the thread had developed !!

Ridiculous and inacurrate on so many levels.

Maybe you should stick to showboating your legendary maths skills again. That always amuses me!

...because you are right.

Good Grief the spanker is on...

He should know the rules as he can get a bet on at any price advertised !!

Very drll !

^ having been exposed as a fool, he resorts to perverted idiocies ^

h dear  !

banned banks maybe you should tell the forum how you changed your username to mine and started posting claiming to be me !!

How you never got the Red Card for that stunt is beyond me..

How we laughed...

this has gone too far.
either go in and demand your winnings or stop with the rod.

^ whats going on here then !   ?   

slickster,



I think you're right m8  !

not responded to my 8.53 post !   ?

The spanker is on again (lazurus2) perhaps banned banks can still change his username after all !!

I will report this to the moderators as surely banned banks cannot be allowed to get away with the same stunt twice !!

Que  ?   

kangeroo appears to 'ave flounced off !

How we laughed...


To be fair quite a few did.

Thankfully not everyone has had a complete humour bypass. Does that come with old age or were you a frustrated child too?

It has to be a wind up as there is no way that Ladcocks would refuse to pay on a Group One Race that had the card and result printed in the trade paper...

Because hd i got no satisfaction in the shop with a delinquent girl who should not have been there in the first place ? No manager or anyone with authority.Then got home rang customer services no joy thre either so e-mailed them and got a reply which i posted.Iprobably know the outcome because there will be rule 106 section b subsection d or something. But why take the bet you cant make rules after the event?

kangaroo • November 12, 2012 8:52 PM GMT
'Iwould never had gone back for a refund if it had got beat.Or would customer services e-mailed me to tell me the bet was void and i could have my money back????????????'



Doesn't stack up mate, good luck if you're on the level !

How could they e-mail you  ?

How would you like it if I changed my username to yours and pretended to be a hetrosexual ?

Oh dear. You have really let yourself down with this one.

I'm almost feeling sorry for you now.

No problem Bon Viveur..

Keep up the good work.I shall retire now at the end of day 10 (of 84) on the wagon..

its a shame nobody reading this thread tried to have a bet on this race online with laddies,they could tell us if they were told that it was a no bet race.

My understanding is that the race was not available on their website, and therefore not available to shop customers either.

Assuming that's the case, IBAS will rule in favour of the bookmaker.

If the customer stated that he was referring it to the Small Claims Court instead, he would be long odds on to be paid out before it reached court.

Just wanted to post this snippet. It was when prince william married and Billie's were offering a free £2 bet on the time that Kate would arrive at the church. They had around 5 options, with prices on each. As a regular customer I had been in at around 9am and picked the fav time to win. I backed a couple of virtual races and they came in so I thought for an interest why not have a big single bet on the same time. I staked £150 on the Fav time advertised and went home. Kate duly arrived at that time. WIN

When I went to collect my winnings the manager told me they did not accept singles on the time, and were only offering free £2 bets as a gesture, but would contact head office to see what could be done.

Result? Paid in full, right there, right then. The moral was they took the bet and would honour it. I guess some bookies have more credibility than others.

it says everything you need to know about this rancid company,that they're happy to take bets on races that never happen(cartoon racing),but apparently void bets on those involving real horses & jockies.

btw,you can access the campanelle result on the wh site,but i cant see it on l/crookes which suggests they were unaware of it.As far as the bets concerned though theres still the problem that a lumpy bet would certainly have had to be rung through,no doubt at that point the question of bet validity should have been sorted.

hold on,on the wh site heading the actual result it says UK 09.51,so if thats the real off time maybe the race had been run before the OP had put his bet on,hence the void.

If Ladfobts didn't want to take bets on this group 1 race then the bet should have been rejected at presentation, surely these terminals can "say" computer says no, snifff . Think how many sleepers they get with this total incompetance !

This debate has taken a disturbing turn !! Barrowboy reckons the race was run in the morning - in Italy !!

Paul Haigh reckons that everything Ladcocks bet on is on their website hence there will be no need for "empty" (or whatever Laddies call them) bets that have to be manually settled ....

Here are Ladbrokes shop rules. help.ladbrokes.com/utility/getfile.aspx?rid=598  The only mention of foreign racing is HORSE RACING
Rules of Racing
We accept bets on specified races staged under Jockey Club and National Hunt Rules in Great Britain and
equivalent organisations abroad.

There is no mention of which meetings or races that are deemed either acceptable or unacceptable.

Copied and pasted from their on line Horse Racing Rules


Acceptance of bets

We accept bets on specified races staged under Jockey Club and National Hunt Rules in Great Britain. We are also pleased to accept horseracing bets on major races taking place across the world. Details of these races will appear on our website.

So, would it be described as a major race? A Group One in Italy most definately yes. Was it on their website? We are led to believe it wasn't. The question is, what do the shop rules state? I shall visit the local Laddies this afternoon and report back.

i asked in a shop for a price on shanghai bobby for the Kentucky derby, ladcrooks not offering market on their website, the girl phoned head office and gave me a price of 10-1, shorter than  elsewhere but they gave it to me even tho not on the web, i think the guy has to be paid but it would help if he had put sp on his bet then he'd get the industry return as per racing post rather than racecourse Div (interestingly some bookies only pay div from germany and Oz SIS racing)

With nothing apparently specific in their rules, the onus of responsibility should largely be down to them. Just as they expect you to know the rules, so they should expect the staff to know the rules. The staff member who took the bet should be aware of which meetings/races are acceptable. The failure of the staff to detect that the bet is "apparently" unacceptable should have known that and told you. Their failure to do so, must put the responsibility on themselves.

It does say in the rules however:  Fairness and Openness
We pride ourselves on our customer service and our commitment to operating our business fairly and in a
responsible way.

If they are going to be fair, and accept the responsibilty for accepting the bet, then they should pay you.

As promised the wording from the rules in a shop...

RULES OF RACING

We accept bets on specific races staged under Jockey Club and National Hunt rules in Great Britain and equivalent organisations abroad.

There you have it. Obviously the race was run under the rules of the Italian Jockey Club, so was it a specific race or not? In my opinion, it has been left open to abuse from the rule maker. If your bet wins it was not a specific race, if it loses then no more is said about the matter, all bets accepted.

Way to ambiguous to be of help to the poor punter

Advised the OP NOT to use IBAS but I hope they find for him. Think they should.

... convinced now that kanga was fishing !

Hiformurites,

Just to say thanx to whoever posted to get in touch with ibas about my bet on hunters light.Ihave finally had my bet settled.To those who thought i was fishing get a life?

Great firm love um to bits

hope the czech doesn't bounce kangeroo

I told you that the bet would be settled in your favour as it was a no brainer...

Once again  those who think that they have even half a clue about Betting Shop rules, and I think a Bookmaker apologist called banned-banks (but he changes his username so often and sometimes even to another who he is arguing with) was one of them,come on here and spout rubbish.I think the moron clive82 a lowly paid employee of a former "Big Three" Company may have had a pop.

Perhaps clive82 and banned-banks are really the same person....

Nah banksy is ok as for the other ****

Homeforetea if you had a short term memory that wasn't on a par with that possessed by a goldfish you will recall that I said that if the rules stated that they covered the meeting it would be paid and if they didn't he wouldn't.

I think you will find I was 100% correct but hey don't let the facts get in the way of your nonsense.

^^^

I can remember you posing on here as me banned-banks..

And I seem to remember you pleading for someone to go into a Ladbrokes shop (!) and read the rules...

No-one came forward that supported your argument because they could not get past the FOBTS...

With my short term memory how can anyone be so stupid to think that a punter who backed a horse in a GROUP ONE RACE with the card PUBLISHED IN THE RACING POST should not be paid...

Only minimum wage staff at a former top bookmaker....

Only minimum wage staff at a former top bookmaker....

I think you will find that comment is far relevant to your career rather than mine!

Hey Bon Viveur the ways things are going I would apply for a job as the Corals cleaner..

Oops they are no more just like the firm in six months so I hear !!

Which bookmaker did you work for?  PP?

Paddy Power used to be the best bookmaker in the World....

Unfortunately they have gone the way of that rancid nobet£3.65 and realised that there are many sheep to be fleeced....

Could have worked for them but chose not too....

Paddy Power used to be the best bookmaker in the World....


Did the start of their demise tie in precisely with the date you left them by any chance?

You flatter me Bon Viveur..

But no.

By the way have you seen their horse racing prices.Lowest in the industry.Ladbrookes will be advertising favourably with them !!

To be fair the whole thing is getting a bit farcical nowadays.

Without wishing to get into the machines/shops/online debate it is clear that the firms are now making it obvious that they just want "recreational" punters and have no real interest in getting involved with more serious punters.

It is a battle to see who can get the biggest slice of the mug market rather than a battle to see who is the most skilled bookmaker. Mind you when you look at the figures they churn out you can hardly blame them for this strategy. Why invest chunks of money chasing high risk cash when they are drowning in zero risk mug money.

Could not have put it better myself banned-banks...

By the way the last post was me changing my username and I am sure that my next post will be pull......

Love is in the air

The masked pimpernel is alive and well in the streets of East Anglia....