Pricewise Observations - And how Ladbrokes must be in the know!!!

why does it have to be seagull, have u any idea how many people will see his selections before they even go to print

Thank you,Inspector Clouseau.

notnowkayto...

maybe you could use your newly found observation to your advantage

just a thought



or maybe you could keep moaning about it, probably more constructive

when it comes down to it, he's just a guesser like the rest of us.

he'll tip mainly losers but every so often he'll get a winner or two like the rest of us.

yep thats my take on it, the golden rule is NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING

but it's amusing watching the majority chase that elusive somebody

If I study form.........theres some hope

If I study P/W............theres no hope

beside the fact that success leads to failure with tipsters if u follow tipsters u know hehaw about gambling and who it is u are actually trying to beat

mange m8,



just follow my advices !  The way forward for you, of course, imvho.

big
It was exactly the same with Mel Collier i.e. Papillon etc.
Pricewise has always been under the control of the Harrow Mob.
Anybody who has read Segal in the Weekender knows the guy is clueless.

Hal

We need to stay friends if were going to share a bus shelter

Did mention on another thread that Captain Ramius was 33s with Lads until about 17.30 on Friday when they went SP ( I am guessing to get to overnight prices that go in the papers ). Less than 5 minutes later new price low and behold was 16s....this according to history on Oddschecker

Just pure coincidence obviously

badcrooks know how not to lay p/wise
a little help from a FRIEND

Good point about Papillon,taffy.

Segal works for lads,tipping on the blower.Do you think he is on a set payment or is it commission based depending on the quality of the information given !!!

Not a guesser,a very good judge IMO.

Ladbrokes are the tightest bookmaker so n the high street. To be on the Know they properly subscribe to the service?

to be fair ladbrokes prices are generally cr@p across the board these days not just on PW selections

on the other side of the coin how much buisness have laddies lost during segals losing runs,not clever been bottom price when the horses lose,unless of course laddies are getting on the biggest price with their competitors,bookies becoming arbers whatever next,barring themselves,

Think u will find bookie punters hav very short memories--in fact only remember the winners

it doesnt matter what price ladbrokes go pricewise horses ,only 6 shops are open in the country at 815 !!

Good point,1st time poster.

Front-runner,they are the tightest firm of any on the high street,not just betting shops.And the most-hated ?

Big deal you'll only scrape a living following Pricewise and Hugh Taylor that do if you get a tenner or twenty on at the mystical 33s and 25s it's all a load of horsecrap really.

P.S Their analysis is decent no doubt about it.

Imagine living your life in the belief that it is one big conspiracy against you.

Racing fan - u r wrong. I have made over 100k following pwise. That's a fact. Unfortunately I was always stupidly ill disciplined with my own bets so gave most of it back. The problem starts when u just follow pwise and no one else which then leads to accounts bei shut.

Of course he is wrong - an idiotic remark. Large, long-term profits can be secured if one is creative and intelligent.

not enough to retire from working for racing post, weekender, ladbrokes, etc.etc, . obviously

Sep 23, 2012 -- 6:43PM, lazarus2 wrote:

Of course he is wrong - an idiotic remark. Large, long-term profits can be secured if one is creative and intelligent.

yes like u if u have an account with fantasy island and just back the winners and disregard any rule 4s

bookmakers

laddies are short on alot of horses - i presume that their odds on card holders get extra points which brings them more in line,also they have the biggest estate,their customers are regulars who arent price bothered,so like B.T isnt the cheapest phone calls or broadband - why be best value on the high street when your the biggest.

if they went even money every runner every race - they still keep a big percentage of their customers.

they ve also got the biggest overheads ,so they need the better margins

It is true that the comments on here are not representative of many punters. There are so many who are not price sensitive it is incredible.

Hearing punters casually agreeing to accept price changes in shops on their football coupons without even knowing what the changes are is a real eye opener.

Biggest overheads - please explain as the last I looked they were the poorest payers in the FT100....

Bon Viveur....

Funny you should mention the football.I was in a shop on Friday (!) and the Manageress told me she never had any problems when telling EVERY punter that there were price changes on the coupons.Those fixed odds punters really are mugs and will accept anything.Back in the day I would take 200 coupons on a Saturday and no-one was price sensitive.Seems the same now only there are far fewer bets...

However there was a file that was kept behind the counter with details of those who had self excluded themselves from betting because they had done their conkers on the FOBTS.....

It was the thickness of War And Peace only those in it were not at peace....

And they wonder why Betting Shops are quiet nowadays - all the good punters cannot bring themselves to have a racing bet because they are too tempted by the machines..

Never mind those self same ex betting shop punters will be in the pubs trying to win a monkey on their machines...

He is like most punters if you read his article about himself - he's basically lazy.
There is no magic to his methods, he's a speed figures man. He is presumably pretty good at programming & databases.

daniels mother, which 6 ladbrokes are open at 8.15 ?

Sorry if this has already been mentioned (haven't read it all), but surely it's just as likely that he looks through the prices, checks where the biggest bookmaker in the country want to be shortest, thinks 'I'll have a closer look at that', sees why they are shortest, and then tips the horse at 6 points longer with one of the more ric prone books in the Pricewise table.

Cut to legions of 'arise Sir Tom' fawning threads, disingenuous Racing Post 'Peerless Pricewise' headlines, and lots of happy but non price sensitive long term losing punters who didn't get the advised prices but are still delighted to back a winner whatever the odds...

this was pricewise's theme (ie pay close attention to where Ladbrokes were especially shorter than their rivals) going right back to the days of its founder, the esteemed Mark Coton to whom I send my best regards.

As a general rule Ladbrokes are lowest across the board for most prices.


Also this worship of pricewise is laughable, like us all he has his good and bad days and when you consider he has 2 selections in one race and usually 4 other selcted races its easily blown up out of proportion.
He had a 50% strike rate on saturday but he has hardly set the world alight in recent months and I am quite sure there are many on here that do better on a regular basis, me included.

Snap moondan

i concur, plus when u consider the resources he will have available its not that impressive

I have no problems with anyone taking money of the bookies and if any of his followers did that on saturday good luck to them but this nonsense about best tipster in world etc give me a break he is an educated guesser just like many on here including myself i have winning runs and losing runs and he is no different.

it's just as likely that he looks through the prices, checks where the biggest bookmaker in the country want to be shortest, thinks 'I'll have a closer look at that', sees why they are shortest, and then tips the horse at 6 points longer with one of the more ric prone books in the Pricewise table.

   yep thats been my thinking for a number of years MILLHOUSE

so to follow that logic through its the laddies man who may or maynot be the worlds top tipster ,and horses laddies are longest on need swerving ,any evidence to back the latter up

The Pricewise sheep make me laugh...and the advertised prices are pie in the sky...theyre cut early on Friday evening and very usually unobtainable. If you wait till 8.30am you can get a £1 on but thats about it. Hugh Taylor also. Nonsense. Study your own form, trainer patterns, betting moves and you will do fine.

cracker im not sure ,2 are in leeds and one in manchester i think ,there are probably more but when i complained about not getting prices they said use a 8.15 shop !!
i love these threds where all these' winning 'punters come on and say its easy !! anyone who wins regularly will be restricted off course ,it is almost impossible to win on here due to commission charges , r4 deductions etc .so to have pricewise races where you can get a price for 15 mins is a godsend !!

ballydoyle it only takes a little effort to get the prices and most are available in the morning ,i make my living from pricewise races ,so i must be a sheep

daniels mother     24 Sep 12 18:48 

'.......... anyone who wins regularly will be restricted off course'

daniels mother     24 Sep 12 19:09

'.....i make my living from pricewise races ,so i must be a sheep'
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Something of a contradiction in terms, there.

How long do you expect to continue to - "make my living from pricewise races" .... given those admitted "restrictions" ?

onlooker ,hard work !! youve got to be a layer on here ,and go to more shops !! as to how long ?? its getting harder every week ,but not impossible

cracker im not sure ,2 are in leeds and one in manchester i think

Think the one outside Piccadilly train station does, and at least one other one.

i found a shop recently that opened @ 8.00 mon/fri but 830 on saturday ,so no pricewise !!

Pricewise is a Man Of Action

daniels mother at last i can converse with a fellow believer someone who does what i do , theres a ladbrokes in rotheram that opens at 8 sat urdays you can get 50 quid on easily sometimes 75 and sometimes a ton depends how crafty you are , i take my mrs, with me or ask an old lad in the shop , always treat them if you win and tip the girl behind the conter, the other trick is to stick the pw in a double with a non runner. i hit different towns every satday , so the info about leeds is very welcome, i do the above at coral, 8.30 but only usually tenners there , betfred are easy , 9.00 am and william hill very easy, and get two ,9.00am , i make good money and will be glad to share other stuff i do but not on here . send me a contact request.

I doubt anyone could make more than 15k- 20k in a year following pwise except Lazarus whos clearly making LARGE long term profits and that too having to put with up weeks and months of losing runs.

racing its not necessarily the pricewise tips ,its the pricewise RACES were the value is to be had

Bollox  , wish i hadnt read all this. absolutely gutted..follwed Pricewise for years and had some decent pick ups.

Had to go to a poxy wedding function and out in the sticks without my Ipone,,how could i forget it.

Bugger the law of the sod..it has to happen...sick as a dog...taking rest of the day off to sulk

whether you can make a profit or not from Pricewise, it is still the most brilliant idea and a superb column and of considerable value to the whole spectrum of punters

so i think it deserves a bravo - big bravo to mark coton who thought it up, big bravo to mel collier who had a great run and a big bravo to tom segal who continues to do a terrific job

hear hear. keep guessing tom.

badcrooks have trainers and owners betting with them
so when they back their horses and uncle tom tips the same one
shorten as fast as you can because they know they are tiring

some of these big bookies also have shops in newmarket that open really early in the morning, and they get a lot of custom from stable staff, who mark their cards early in the day and allow them to alter their books to suit the inside info.

thats why the pricewise races are so valuable ,you get 15 mins to take any prices !!

My mate backed all the pricewise horses with billys on fri night at about 8pm,he only had a fiver on each of them and a two 25p ew canadians,on sat morning his acc was restricted to pennies,he'd had the acc for over 9 years.lol

Like I pointed out in Fridays Pricewise thread, the 33/1 for Captain Ramius was still available with one on line Company at 8pm. This on lie Company provides prices to independents whose shops are still open at that time!!