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daz55o
15 Sep 12 17:53
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aiden had promised YOUNG joe they would call at mcdonalds on the way home to buy him a happy meal  if camelot won today. You know how much kids love mcdonalds maybe the pressure got to him.

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By:
saddo
When: 15 Sep 12 17:55
Not really, Barza saw a chance to box him in and get a head start, and took it, happens most days.
By:
barkinggreville
When: 15 Sep 12 18:11
A totally inept ride by a jockey who simply does not have the natural ability required to do his job to any degree of satisfaction. A classic case of nepotism gone t1ts up
By:
jmdc
When: 15 Sep 12 18:30
Don't worry, his mother got him quickly into the car while Daddy was blaming everything but him, and now he's gone to bed with a nice warm cup of cocoa!
By:
LordMoore1
When: 15 Sep 12 18:32
Hardly. He is riding in the last at the Curragh.
By:
eddiem1
When: 15 Sep 12 18:33
He quite simply isnt good enough and never will be.
By:
Anaglogs Daughter
When: 15 Sep 12 18:35
Ted Walsh "Last year Peselier got it wrong, today joseph got the tactics wrong but he's(Camelot) not the superstar we thought he was picking up an overrated handicapper in front of him ShockedLaughLaugh
By:
kincsem
When: 15 Sep 12 18:37
Camelot wasn't good enough today.  Will Camelot take on the older horses next?  I doubt it.  Retirement (NAP).
By:
1st time poster
When: 15 Sep 12 18:38
reading in the mail today that before the guineas camelot beat dady longlegs by 25 lengths according to aob,theres been a few done it since on the racecourse, Laugh
By:
Anaglogs Daughter
When: 15 Sep 12 18:39
Joseph switches to Nevis in this race
By:
ima_mazed66
When: 15 Sep 12 20:40
Saddo has it called right here.

The horse was good enough today, just not good enough to give the start that he gave the winner and seeing as he was closing all the way to the line, then you would have to think if both jockeys started the run for home in line then Camelot would have won. There will be those blaming the jockey for that with his inexperience and lack of ability (and they would be wrong to) and others just seeing it as bad luck in running, which it was.

Has no experienced jockey never found themselves in similar situations? Would it be due to inexperience had a similar thing happened to Kinane, Fallon or Murtagh? Any time a jockey 40+ gets beaten it's always put down to age and any time a jockey under 20 gets beaten it's always put down to age too but for the opposite reason.
By:
daz55o
When: 15 Sep 12 20:51
i think they expected the horse to quicken when he didnt aiden obriens comments state this. He only just got beat joeseph would have expected the horse to qiucken up. Had he have made more use of the horse who knows he may have faded this is the unknown
By:
Sharapour
When: 15 Sep 12 21:04
Camelot lost fair and square....IMHO
By:
ima_mazed66
When: 15 Sep 12 21:07
You can lose fair and square in so much that nobody else did anything untoward but you can still be an unlucky loser and the best horse lost today.
By:
Sharapour
When: 15 Sep 12 21:12
Best combination walked it.
By:
hello :-)
When: 15 Sep 12 21:20
What pressure , he was on pegasus today according to dad
By:
daz55o
When: 15 Sep 12 21:23
no matter the horse is not as good as thought otherwise he would have won despite a poor ride. Frankel has won at least one race when quealy give him a bad ride.
By:
DUNERUNNER
When: 15 Sep 12 21:24
Matt Chapman got it right on ATR - young Joseph went from cruising to whipping in a few strides -sure sign of misjudgement.
By:
hello :-)
When: 15 Sep 12 21:27
i dissagree , sign of a horse that isnt good enough
By:
Fat Dodgy
When: 15 Sep 12 21:31
ffs how many grp1's has the young lad won, not just in the uk but the US as well


THE HORSE ISNT ALL THAT FFS!!

notalot more like.....
By:
hello :-)
When: 15 Sep 12 21:38
Exactly FD , the horse isnt what they said it was , i thought it could win today but it was no certainty

Not as good as the hype , its a shame for racing but ballydoyle got it very wrong , underestimated a classic that they thought was a shoe in

They knew exactly how good camelot is but tried to pull the "best ever " wool over our eyes and thought lets take the ledger and retire ,
By:
daz55o
When: 15 Sep 12 21:39
agree

fat dodgy

remember he only just won the 2000 guin   o.k exceptional performance in the derby but hes looked beatable the likes of frankel looks unbeatable however poorly hes ridden
By:
Fat Dodgy
When: 15 Sep 12 21:42
the derby is not good form ever does nobody remember workforce....harbinger, i dont know why i bother cos people who swallow this tosh make my prices but i feel its only right to try, a few on here helped me once
By:
Brian
When: 15 Sep 12 22:56
If they ran the race again, Camelot would start a warm favourite again and in all probability win (although Enke's turn of foot was impressive). So I guess we can say that although Camelot is a good classic winner and Joseph O'Brien a decent jockey they fall short of being a Nijinsky and Lester Piggot respectively.
By:
hello :-)
When: 15 Sep 12 23:01
yes correct
By:
hello :-)
When: 15 Sep 12 23:01
yes correct
By:
daz55o
When: 15 Sep 12 23:57
Joseph O'Brien was too upset to speak to the press afterwards.
By:
GetReal
When: 16 Sep 12 00:12
I would say the LACK of pressure did for him.

He rode the race the way he always does, like he thinks he has a stone in hand of the field.

When he has, he looks a cool dude, when it does not he looks like a silver spoon in the gob merchant whose judgement of race tactics is poor.

You decide which description is closer to the truth.
By:
sky panel
When: 16 Sep 12 00:29
I believe this was a freakish occurrence that sometimes happen in sport. As I see it, this was caused by a combination of three factors. The winner ran well above his form. Camelot ran 25 per cent below his form. Joseph rode an average race. Listen, this was a big, big setback, but the boy has a steely determination, and will recover to be a top jockey.
By:
daz55o
When: 16 Sep 12 00:32
hope he doesnt read some of the comments on the betfair forum or he may never recover enough to ride never mind top jockey
By:
DIFERENT GRAVY 12
When: 08 May 22 17:07
Could beat the old man in the 5.05
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