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dartschamp
27 Aug 12 11:48
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Bit of a random topic but thought i'd ask the opinion of you knowledgeable lot !!

After approx 8 pints of lager and celebrating my £10 win on the Martin Skrtel first goal @ 40 me and the lads opened the debate on who would get the Fankel ride in 'The Arc' if TQ was banned / injured !!!

I'm convinced the mercurial Ian Mongan would get the leg up but the lads laughed at me and threw peanuts at me for the rest of the night.

Look forward to hear your views :)
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Report moondan August 27, 2012 11:53 AM BST
As long as he or she was human then I think it would be alright but Mongan is a trusted member of the team and I think your right. Great Jockey who could have done better but perhaps not much ambition and happy with his lot.
Report ilikewavingatbuses August 27, 2012 11:53 AM BST
nice aftertiming.
Report chad August 27, 2012 11:54 AM BST
Ann Stokell
Report salmon spray August 27, 2012 11:54 AM BST
The problem with using Mongan is that IF he lost he would only ever be remembered as the man who got Frankel beaten. He would never live it down and would probably drink himself to death in a grotty bedsit. Fairer really to use the likes of Dettori,Moore or Hughes or maybe Peslier or Velasquez.
Report ilikewavingatbuses August 27, 2012 11:54 AM BST
i dont think mongan would ride it.
Report northanlite August 27, 2012 11:56 AM BST
Fallon Laugh
Report 11kv August 27, 2012 11:57 AM BST
F Norton.
Report ilikewavingatbuses August 27, 2012 11:57 AM BST
notable drift just before the off!
Report moondan August 27, 2012 11:58 AM BST
Great horses make great jockeys, nothing truer in racing. Frankie 10 years ago? YES. Today he would be back of a very long queue.
Report salmon spray August 27, 2012 12:03 PM BST
I think I would still use Dettori in a major Grp 1. And Frankel in The Arc would probably be the biggest ride of any jockey's career. I wouldn't put him up in a seller at Yarmuth though. I WOULD prefer Mongan.
Report Soft-Pawn August 27, 2012 12:11 PM BST
Thierry Jarnet
Report theres only one best tonic August 27, 2012 12:19 PM BST
if queally was unavailable frankel would not run nap
Report salmon spray August 27, 2012 12:21 PM BST
He won't run in The Arc if Queally is available. But playing hypothetical games is quite fun imo.
Report timeless August 27, 2012 12:22 PM BST
Abdulla would insist on putting Richard Hughes up,

after all, he owes Hughesy as when he was retained, there was a drought of classic and group 1 winners for about 6 years Crazy
Report moondan August 27, 2012 12:23 PM BST
Salmon,
Know where you are coming from but being a big fan I now cannot see his plan in a race.

Last week in a group race he was 12 lengths off the lead in a dawdle and I get the impression with him that he now wants to ride as if he thinks because he is on it it will run alright.

Its a bit like Spencer, if I saw all jockeys riding the same way then I could understand it but I don't and Frankie is either too far off the pace these days or in front and beaten before the 2 furlong marker.
It was never like that in days gone by.
Report Big Boss August 27, 2012 12:25 PM BST
Soumillon, end of thread
Report geoff m August 27, 2012 12:31 PM BST
Think yourself lucky they didnt throw Darts.
Report wonders August 27, 2012 12:41 PM BST
spencer  what trouble he would find on frankel
Report ima_mazed66 August 27, 2012 12:54 PM BST
Shouldn't really make a difference at he'd still win anyway.

Ian Mongan showed himself more than capable when winning the Juddmeonte last year and has been riding long enough to know what to do.

I remember in '95 when any article about Celtic Swing had to mention the fact Kevin Darley had never ridden in a classic before then, despite the fact he had been a jockey since the 1970s.
Report A_T August 27, 2012 12:57 PM BST
Hughes. Gets trapped behind about 6 different horses and finishes 4th. Dismounts after and shrugs his shoulders: "well he had to be ridden that way".
Report G1_Jockey_4 August 27, 2012 2:44 PM BST
anyone as long as they dont get tricky hills out of retirement
Report Apologist August 27, 2012 3:18 PM BST
Try and get McKeown out of retirement?

Once he's finished his massive litigation case against the BHA.

Those air whips would at least guarantee Frankel wouldn't be harmed.
Report Apologist August 27, 2012 3:24 PM BST
Martin Leonard!!
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