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Britain's high streets are struggling to survive, but one business is booming; betting shops. On average one new bookie opens every week. In one London high street there are now 10 within yards and the locals are fed up.
What's driving this gambling boom and what's the impact on our communities? Michael Crick investigates the rise of High Street gambling. He hears from an apologetic politician who now admits they got the gambling laws wrong, and from those most affected by the spread of the betting shops
Tuesday May 22nd
http://crossfields.blogspot.ie
A researcher working for Channel 4's Dispatches (October Films) contacted Crosswhatfields last Friday to get some gen on the betting shop situation in our high street. Last night he let us know they would be filming this morning and were looking for locals to speak to camera in a bit of vox-pop to include in a half hour piece they are doing on betting shops, antisocial behaviour and the 2005 Gambling Act.
Michael Crick (Political Correspondent and co-founder of C4 News and ex-editor of Newsnight) was doing the interviewing and Dame Joan was coming at 11am to speak about the problems betting shops are causing in our area. It was a bit late notice to contact people who might want to air their views on record, and those not at work today weren't overly keen to speak to camera, fearing repercussions. The shopkeepers we spoke to later said they hadn't been approached – except one who spoke to them but hadn't wanted to be filmed. Another worried that all the bad press was not good for business.
A local who met up with the crew just before 1pm was told they already had enough footage. The production team have since told us they "had an extremely productive day". The film is scheduled to broadcast on 18th June.
Later today, in the afternoon heat, men were openly dealing drugs opposite ******** Betting Shop , despite (or perhaps because of) the recent drugs bust there. Meanwhile, the street drinkers were gathered in the sun on Reginald Road near the side entrance of ******* betting Shop, marking the first of their open air summer season parties (which go on every day till the betting shops close). A junkie was begging with his dog outside Greggs and yesterday, there was a rumpus when a couple of shoplifters met with some strong resistance at a pound shop in the vicinity, and were seen off with the help of other shopkeepers (police turned up too late).
Last week, some local residents had a meeting with representatives of ******** betting shop and ******** betting shop, convened by New Cross Safer Neighbourhoods Team. The residents wanted the bookies to reduce their opening hours and install some security guards – suggestions which met with blank looks from the bookmakers, who are incapable of admitting any real responsibility for the disturbances and crimes caused by their businesses. The onus remains on the police
ch4.co.uk
Britain's high streets are struggling to survive, but one business is booming; betting shops. On average one new bookie opens every week. In one London high street there are now 10 within yards and the locals are fed up.
What's driving this gambling boom and what's the impact on our communities? Michael Crick investigates the rise of High Street gambling. He hears from an apologetic politician who now admits they got the gambling laws wrong, and from those most affected by the spread of the betting shops
Tuesday May 22nd
http://crossfields.blogspot.ie
A researcher working for Channel 4's Dispatches (October Films) contacted Crosswhatfields last Friday to get some gen on the betting shop situation in our high street. Last night he let us know they would be filming this morning and were looking for locals to speak to camera in a bit of vox-pop to include in a half hour piece they are doing on betting shops, antisocial behaviour and the 2005 Gambling Act.
Michael Crick (Political Correspondent and co-founder of C4 News and ex-editor of Newsnight) was doing the interviewing and Dame Joan was coming at 11am to speak about the problems betting shops are causing in our area. It was a bit late notice to contact people who might want to air their views on record, and those not at work today weren't overly keen to speak to camera, fearing repercussions. The shopkeepers we spoke to later said they hadn't been approached – except one who spoke to them but hadn't wanted to be filmed. Another worried that all the bad press was not good for business.
A local who met up with the crew just before 1pm was told they already had enough footage. The production team have since told us they "had an extremely productive day". The film is scheduled to broadcast on 18th June.
Later today, in the afternoon heat, men were openly dealing drugs opposite ******** Betting Shop , despite (or perhaps because of) the recent drugs bust there. Meanwhile, the street drinkers were gathered in the sun on Reginald Road near the side entrance of ******* betting Shop, marking the first of their open air summer season parties (which go on every day till the betting shops close). A junkie was begging with his dog outside Greggs and yesterday, there was a rumpus when a couple of shoplifters met with some strong resistance at a pound shop in the vicinity, and were seen off with the help of other shopkeepers (police turned up too late).
Last week, some local residents had a meeting with representatives of ******** betting shop and ******** betting shop, convened by New Cross Safer Neighbourhoods Team. The residents wanted the bookies to reduce their opening hours and install some security guards – suggestions which met with blank looks from the bookmakers, who are incapable of admitting any real responsibility for the disturbances and crimes caused by their businesses. The onus remains on the police
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The govt should pass a law that wagers may only take place on events that have subjective probability (ie horses, dogs, sports) or games that involve skill such as poker or backgammon. Games of pure chance such as roulette, fruit machines and anything virtual should be outlawed
^ Roulette and bi should be only available in casinos where they belong imo
Clive82, self opinionated, deluded, self gratifying, smarmy, out of touch, nauseating, apologist, clown.
sound like anyone we know ?
sound like anyone we know ?
Fao Clive.... Have you heard of the expression "many ways to skin a cat"?
You ban me online, So what Am i meant to do... Sulk? I'll just open another acc u clown!
You ban me online, So what Am i meant to do... Sulk? I'll just open another acc u clown!
the problem is Scooper is that they last ablut as long as a fart in a wind tunnel
Clive82, self opinionated, deluded, self gratifying, smarmy, out of touch, nauseating, apologist, clown.
sound like anyone we know ?
Big, I think you may has revealed clive82, real identity
sound like anyone we know ?
Big, I think you may has revealed clive82, real identity
Anyway Clive...I heard on the grapevine from ppl involved with the dispatches prog, that a prog on bbc1, begins with p and ends in a are looking at doing a show that investigates bookmaker practices with regards to not laying a bet to any1 who wins/beats sp/doesn't play games or all of the above..
You'll all be up **** creek without a paddle then lads!!
You'll all be up **** creek without a paddle then lads!!
I agree bb... The funny thing is...some pen pusher is probably thinking... "look at all these new accounts opened, haven't we done well....then realised the majority have been closed because they are held by people already shut down 
Clive82 left his previous post as a tobacco industry lobbyist in the early 1990's and after a brief stint working for Exxonmobil lobbying against Climate control legislation he took up his current post.
It's all about freedom of choice with Clive
It's all about freedom of choice with Clive
We really should have an icon after certain forum names to see how many "Fifths" there are
The govt should pass a law that wagers may only take place on events that have subjective probability (ie horses, dogs, sports) or games that involve skill such as poker or backgammon. Games of pure chance such as roulette, fruit machines and anything virtual should be outlawed
Poker is not considered a game of skill by the courts so be careful what you wish for.
Poker is not considered a game of skill by the courts so be careful what you wish for.
have written to panorama tonight and will be doing watchdog tomorrow.
cant imagine it will get a response of any sort whatsoever but i am being stopped from winning because of the bookies practices and have just about had enough of spending 2 hours running round putting bets on which should take 10 minutes!!
cant imagine it will get a response of any sort whatsoever but i am being stopped from winning because of the bookies practices and have just about had enough of spending 2 hours running round putting bets on which should take 10 minutes!!
What lies in the future, i hope its not going the way of Greyhounds
Zilzal, it absolutely, unequivocally, 100% is...
Zilzal, it absolutely, unequivocally, 100% is...
Siralex, what is required is a platform representing all punters.
One man making a complaint is just a random nutter.
A group of people saying the same thing, that's a movement.
For what it's worth, if there was a body representing us all, I would be pretty confident that lots of damage could be done to the bookmakers and their lapdogs very, very quickly...
One man making a complaint is just a random nutter.
A group of people saying the same thing, that's a movement.
For what it's worth, if there was a body representing us all, I would be pretty confident that lots of damage could be done to the bookmakers and their lapdogs very, very quickly...
exactly right millhouse. we need 1000 people to all complain the same week. i just needed to do something, however little, as keeping complaining on here isn't going to change anything thats for certain.
The govt should pass a law that wagers may only take place on events that have subjective probability (ie horses, dogs, sports) or games that involve skill such as poker or backgammon. Games of pure chance such as roulette, fruit machines and anything virtual should be outlawed
I would completely agree with this, I actually think its time we taught children about gambling at school, making sure they understood how the bookies make money etc would teach them about odds, probability etc
Should also be taught about the dangers of the game in the same way we teach them about the dangers of other addictive activities or substances.
I would completely agree with this, I actually think its time we taught children about gambling at school, making sure they understood how the bookies make money etc would teach them about odds, probability etc
Should also be taught about the dangers of the game in the same way we teach them about the dangers of other addictive activities or substances.
Henry .............. what a load of rubbish its your money and your choice your an adult and how and what you do is up to you
Its like saying a pub cant sell cider cos its worse than beer .............you cant buy a cheese sandwich cos its got lost of bad colesterol in it ............agree with the education of youngsters but if you do it for gambling you have to for drink smoking etc
Most people who have a problem with gambling never admit it there are systems in place ask your local betting shop manager .................after he said you can only get a "cockle " on at evens
Its like saying a pub cant sell cider cos its worse than beer .............you cant buy a cheese sandwich cos its got lost of bad colesterol in it ............agree with the education of youngsters but if you do it for gambling you have to for drink smoking etc
Most people who have a problem with gambling never admit it there are systems in place ask your local betting shop manager .................after he said you can only get a "cockle " on at evens
Don’t be taken in by the feigned concern expressed on here.
FOBTs are just the flavor of the month to have a go at the bookies who have restricted their arbing antics.
FOBTs are just the flavor of the month to have a go at the bookies who have restricted their arbing antics.
ITS ALL FORMS OF GAMBLING THAT ARE TO BLAME NOT JUST ONE PARTICULAR ONE ,YOU JUST TALK TO SUIT YOURSELVES
arbing
I thought you had learned your lesson Clive...
I will haunt you on here now..
I thought you had learned your lesson Clive...
I will haunt you on here now..
Henry .............. what a load of rubbish its your money and your choice your an adult and how and what you do is up to you
Its like saying a pub cant sell cider cos its worse than beer .............you cant buy a cheese sandwich cos its got lost of bad colesterol in it.
What a naive post, the same humans have the same money, they purchase Heroin and other hard drug, and society
has to pick up the pieces, both humanely and financially, so the drug dealers can make money.
The point is bookie1961 these 450,000. (which is probably a huge under statement giving the turnover involved) problems gamblers
don't have a choice for the most part. They have a problem, and the books don't seem to care, they just exploit them ruthlessly.
The government need to legislate to protect them, but the lobby groups and other vested interests have manipulated the situation to
the present status quo. In fact the government has now decided to take a share of the misery, by taxing them.
AND THAT'T BEFORE YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE FAMILY DESTRUCTION THAT THIS ADDICTION CAUSES.
Its like saying a pub cant sell cider cos its worse than beer .............you cant buy a cheese sandwich cos its got lost of bad colesterol in it.
What a naive post, the same humans have the same money, they purchase Heroin and other hard drug, and society
has to pick up the pieces, both humanely and financially, so the drug dealers can make money.
The point is bookie1961 these 450,000. (which is probably a huge under statement giving the turnover involved) problems gamblers
don't have a choice for the most part. They have a problem, and the books don't seem to care, they just exploit them ruthlessly.
The government need to legislate to protect them, but the lobby groups and other vested interests have manipulated the situation to
the present status quo. In fact the government has now decided to take a share of the misery, by taxing them.
AND THAT'T BEFORE YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE FAMILY DESTRUCTION THAT THIS ADDICTION CAUSES.
Ffs!!
The character "the Chechen" in the film The Dark Knight" hits the nail on the head re clive with this classic quote...
"500 grand for this clown dead, a Million alive so I can teach him some manners"
The character "the Chechen" in the film The Dark Knight" hits the nail on the head re clive with this classic quote...
"500 grand for this clown dead, a Million alive so I can teach him some manners"
Since when do you 'expect' a return on a cheese sarnie ?
Putting up food as a comparison to gambling is a pure croc of shíte.
Putting up food as a comparison to gambling is a pure croc of shíte.
Same old Shyte, everyone is an arber, the only reason that Clive82 is employed is because he is too thick to even realise how stupid the shyte he pours forth is. Poor thick Clive82, not educated enough to be management and so totally ignorant of how to behave in relation to dealing with those that disagree with him, that he resorts to comparing people to Hitler and sees nothing wrong with this. The true mark of just how uneducated and vile this man is. You are a pathetic excuse for a human being.
Anyway Clive....on about arbing antics.... The biggest arber of all...mr Thompson ....presumably u would know this seeing as u say you hold a position of substance within this firm?
The comparison was its a free world and its up to the individual how people spend there income ............ without bookies theres no racing simple
Bollox, some people need protecting from themselves, i do not know anyone who needs protecting from a cheese sarnie..
What's needed is nationalisation of gambling (ditto for banking and the rest of the financial sector). Do we really need hundreds of sites all offering the same thing (or not offering it in the case of bookmakers and sports betting) with a shower of ponces taking the bulk of the money? That way there would be one firm and one firm only that problem gamblers would have to omit themselves from. It would also mean racing could maybe get the percentage of gambling money it was due.
To quote betfair's half-witted advert "cut out the middleman".
To quote betfair's half-witted advert "cut out the middleman".
stake & chips is totally correct . clive82 is on a wind up mission . he is doing good at it aswell .
He's not winding me up Stakey. I've told everyone on here what he's up to.
But anyone who uses the arb word, is fair game for a verbal kicking..
But anyone who uses the arb word, is fair game for a verbal kicking..
If your colesterol is high then you do need protection whats in place to protect you ?
In bookmakers your can get help from gamcare or even go through the self exclusion process if you so wish
In bookmakers your can get help from gamcare or even go through the self exclusion process if you so wish
Gamcare my backside. You can just go to another shop. Or do you lot photograph those with problems as well as those who win ?
Harold...I'll tell you another lot who are on a wind up mission...sportingbet acc to the rp (page 7) actually make a profit...and they blame a 41 percent dip on this summers business, due to the fact that the first 35 days of the quarter, the firm largest market (Spain) was closed.
All uk acc's closed surely
All uk acc's closed surely
Buts it's not a free world, as you say bookie, is it?. In all societies the most
vulnerable people need some form of protection, from people who try to exploit them. Would you not
at least agree with that broad statement.
Lets look at how we think the big bookies see this situation.
Open up as many shops as we can, put as many machines in as we can, maximize turnover,
promote them ceaselessly, regular punters, fcuk them don't take their bets
We need to take the monies from the guys that play the machines. We don't give a fcuk about the social carnage they create.
It's relentless and ruthless bookie1961. Is there any other way to view it?
vulnerable people need some form of protection, from people who try to exploit them. Would you not
at least agree with that broad statement.
Lets look at how we think the big bookies see this situation.
Open up as many shops as we can, put as many machines in as we can, maximize turnover,
promote them ceaselessly, regular punters, fcuk them don't take their bets
We need to take the monies from the guys that play the machines. We don't give a fcuk about the social carnage they create.
It's relentless and ruthless bookie1961. Is there any other way to view it?
So take out all the betting oppotunities within a betting shop because a few have problems ............... ban all drink in pubs cos people get drunk ..... proceedures are in place if you got a problem use them
all the betting oppotunities
And what would these be bookie1961 ?
And what would these be bookie1961 ?
bookie1961 , here's a question i put to clive, but as he is only winding people up he didn't answer it , so i'll ask you
it is up to bookmakers to refuse bets from who ever they like , it is there business .
it is upto pubs to serve or refuse to serve who ever they like, it is there business .
but if a pub only served alcoholics and refused to serve anyone who only drank 1-2 drinks , there licence would be revoked or not renewed .
why should this not be the same for a betting shop , as in having there licence revoked or not renewed ?
it is the same principle
it is up to bookmakers to refuse bets from who ever they like , it is there business .
it is upto pubs to serve or refuse to serve who ever they like, it is there business .
but if a pub only served alcoholics and refused to serve anyone who only drank 1-2 drinks , there licence would be revoked or not renewed .
why should this not be the same for a betting shop , as in having there licence revoked or not renewed ?
it is the same principle
Look are you completely brain dead, bookie, is there anything in your head, ffs man.
They need to send these casino machines bk to where they belong... Casinos....and bookmakers can go bk to what they used to....setting a book an laying a bet
I'm only 30, so I don't know what it was like pre bf.... But surely guys could get a few hundred on, and they certainly would not be called an arber ffs
I'm only 30, so I don't know what it was like pre bf.... But surely guys could get a few hundred on, and they certainly would not be called an arber ffs
motley
Think your first point is valid vunerable people in all forms do need protection but to blame bookies alone is wrong .......... my point is not defending bookies but ultimatly it is the individual who is responsible for there own actions in all walks of life ..........
Think your first point is valid vunerable people in all forms do need protection but to blame bookies alone is wrong .......... my point is not defending bookies but ultimatly it is the individual who is responsible for there own actions in all walks of life ..........
Henry .............. what a load of rubbish its your money and your choice your an adult and how and what you do is up to you
Its like saying a pub cant sell cider cos its worse than beer .............you cant buy a cheese sandwich cos its got lost of bad colesterol in it.
What a naive post, the same humans have the same money, they purchase Heroin and other hard drug, and society
has to pick up the pieces, both humanely and financially, so the drug dealers can make money.
The point is bookie1961 these 450,000. (which is probably a huge under statement giving the turnover involved) problems gamblers
don't have a choice for the most part. They have a problem, and the books don't seem to care, they just exploit them ruthlessly.
The government need to legislate to protect them, but the lobby groups and other vested interests have manipulated the situation to
the present status quo. In fact the government has now decided to take a share of the misery, by taxing them.
AND THAT'T BEFORE YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE FAMILY DESTRUCTION THAT THIS ADDICTION CAUSES.
Only just seen this, think motley answered it correctly. Dont know what school you went to bookie but I am pretty sure the dangers of booze and smoking are taught to children. Not only that but smoking comes with a warning on the packet, people are not handled out free offers and inticed into smoking either
Its like saying a pub cant sell cider cos its worse than beer .............you cant buy a cheese sandwich cos its got lost of bad colesterol in it.
What a naive post, the same humans have the same money, they purchase Heroin and other hard drug, and society
has to pick up the pieces, both humanely and financially, so the drug dealers can make money.
The point is bookie1961 these 450,000. (which is probably a huge under statement giving the turnover involved) problems gamblers
don't have a choice for the most part. They have a problem, and the books don't seem to care, they just exploit them ruthlessly.
The government need to legislate to protect them, but the lobby groups and other vested interests have manipulated the situation to
the present status quo. In fact the government has now decided to take a share of the misery, by taxing them.
AND THAT'T BEFORE YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE FAMILY DESTRUCTION THAT THIS ADDICTION CAUSES.
Only just seen this, think motley answered it correctly. Dont know what school you went to bookie but I am pretty sure the dangers of booze and smoking are taught to children. Not only that but smoking comes with a warning on the packet, people are not handled out free offers and inticed into smoking either
Harold lloyd
Clive must work in the industry as do i so have to be careful on what i say ....... dont think a pub would lose there licence if they refused to serve certain customers might go out of buisness thou ....... bookmakers are the same
Clive must work in the industry as do i so have to be careful on what i say ....... dont think a pub would lose there licence if they refused to serve certain customers might go out of buisness thou ....... bookmakers are the same
a pub would not have its licence renewed if it only served alcoholics
Henry .............. what a load of rubbish its your money and your choice your an adult and how and what you do is up to you
Clearly you believe in free will bookie1961, however I suggest you read about determinism, people certainly do not always make thier own choices
Clearly you believe in free will bookie1961, however I suggest you read about determinism, people certainly do not always make thier own choices
They select who they choose to do business with, they prefer to pray on people
who are not in a position to choose. They are gambling addicts, there's probably a million them,
they provide them with the ultimate in addiction attraction, FOTBS.
Most people who have a choice, can't get fcuking £50 quid on one. The bookmakers, in the world of
business, are perceived as the sewer rats of business. They are the bottom feeders, and their business practice
behavior bears this out.
who are not in a position to choose. They are gambling addicts, there's probably a million them,
they provide them with the ultimate in addiction attraction, FOTBS.
Most people who have a choice, can't get fcuking £50 quid on one. The bookmakers, in the world of
business, are perceived as the sewer rats of business. They are the bottom feeders, and their business practice
behavior bears this out.
Fine i accept your point of view some of us people do try to help people with problems .............my file at work tells me that
motley
Your an angry man so i will not reply to your comments i thought this forum was for open discussion not people to slag of individuals who do not agree with there point of view
Your an angry man so i will not reply to your comments i thought this forum was for open discussion not people to slag of individuals who do not agree with there point of view
Spot on motley, the people who are addicted to these things do not have a choice on whether to play them or not, the addiction leaves them no choice. Furthermore, the addicition is more than likely decided by a pre-excisting chemical imbalance, most players are likely to be thrill-seekers, which is often associated with low levels of dopamine or serotonin.
The whole arguement of they 'who cares, they choice to play' is far to simple
The whole arguement of they 'who cares, they choice to play' is far to simple
The one thing, in my direct experience, that people who work in the betting industry have in common, is absolute contempt for punters...
Boookie, I'm not angry all, I have no control of how you interpret the things I say.
You do seem to be continuously defending some dreadful behavior, out of loyalty to your
employers.
You do seem to be continuously defending some dreadful behavior, out of loyalty to your
employers.
Thats your opinion .............. mine is thats rubbish
Someone said that FOBTs are casino machines and should only be allowed in casinos. This is spot on.
The Bookies that peddle these thieving machines are the worst type of scum.
The Bookies that peddle these thieving machines are the worst type of scum.
Im a gambler at heart and sympathise with punters who have problems and cant get a decent bet on ........after all it isnt the person on the front line decision ...... but who gets the abuse
For those still not aware:
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/17676
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/17676
thats your opinion .... mine is thats rubbish was a reply to millhouse to avoid confusion
bookie 1961 ......without bookies theres no racing simple
au contraire, mon ami.
The other major racing nations in the world, USA, France, Australia, Hong Kong etc all utilise massive tote operations which ensure prizemoney drawfs that available in the UK and is the real threat to long term sustainability of racing in this country.
Most modern bookies are the leeches, not the saviours, of British racing.
Do not have an overexalted view of your position, bookie 1961, you are expendable and your bluff and threats to withhold a fair levy from racing will be called eventually.
au contraire, mon ami.
The other major racing nations in the world, USA, France, Australia, Hong Kong etc all utilise massive tote operations which ensure prizemoney drawfs that available in the UK and is the real threat to long term sustainability of racing in this country.
Most modern bookies are the leeches, not the saviours, of British racing.
Do not have an overexalted view of your position, bookie 1961, you are expendable and your bluff and threats to withhold a fair levy from racing will be called eventually.
Aug 9, 2012 -- 11:01AM, bookie1961 wrote:
Im a gambler at heart and sympathise with punters who have problems and cant get a decent bet on ........after all it isnt the person on the front line decision ...... but who gets the abuse
Bookie...what bugs me more than anything else is being called an arber....when my stakes are normally around 40-50 quid ffs... I'm not gonna break the bank....and I sure as hell don't need to arb...when I do alright from straight punting
Sent Chelsea, and emailed everyone in my contacts, if they would do the same.
scooper
That is a term used far to often i agree the man who wants 50 quid or so on a horse i would not think he is an ARB punter
That is a term used far to often i agree the man who wants 50 quid or so on a horse i would not think he is an ARB punter
Bookie1961, I'm not talking about betting shop staff, I'm talking about the people in Barking, Leeds and Harrow, etc...
Thanks for that as you gather i work on the front line
I was born in 1961 & I work part time in a bookies in Barking 
I have been to the Golan Heights, I can safely say Barking is worse
Pump... Is Jeremy Bowen wandering around barking with a camera crew now? Not seen him on tv for a while
He's just read these posts, and is leaving Syria as we speak
Seriously you mention the Golan Heights & everyone thinks its a war zone, you could not be further from the truth.
Bookie1962, don't forget to empty those FOTBS, before the masked men arrive
Pump, I think I'd take my chances in Barking, if you don't mind.
Having skimmed through this and read a lot of the comments against FOBTS, as addicts can't help it, how many of you play the Super Slots on here ?
They are there for the playing, or is it that there are no addicts on Betfair ?
They are there for the playing, or is it that there are no addicts on Betfair ?
Jeremy Bowen??
More chance of Jeremy Beadle if the quality of the investigative journalism displayed the other night is anything to go by.
I see your petition has broken through the 160 mark.. The country is clearly behind on you on this one, keep up the good work.
More chance of Jeremy Beadle if the quality of the investigative journalism displayed the other night is anything to go by.
I see your petition has broken through the 160 mark.. The country is clearly behind on you on this one, keep up the good work.
Man battered in bookies assault
By Mike Pyle http://www.getreading.co.uk
August 09, 2012
A punter was attacked as he left the Coral bookmakers in Whitley Street, Katesgrove, last Thursday and left with such bad facial injuries he needed an operation.
The victim left the bookies but as he did he was followed by another man who attacked him in the street, apparently without provocation, at around 8.30pm.
The offender, who had been playing on a games machine, punched the victim, 27, in the face and knocked him to the ground. He then repeatedly kicked him in the head.
The man was left with a broken nose and such severe damage to his eye socket that it needed an operation.
The attacker is white and thought to be of Eastern European origin. He is 25 to 30-years-old and of solid build with short, light hair. He was wearing a lime green polo shirt, possibly a Fred Perry branded one, and knee-length beige shorts.
After the attack, the offender left in the direction of Whitley.
Investigating officer PC Harry Dorey wants anyone who saw anything or recognises the description of the offender to contact him.
If you have information you can call PC Dorey on 101 or the charity Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111
By Mike Pyle http://www.getreading.co.uk
August 09, 2012
A punter was attacked as he left the Coral bookmakers in Whitley Street, Katesgrove, last Thursday and left with such bad facial injuries he needed an operation.
The victim left the bookies but as he did he was followed by another man who attacked him in the street, apparently without provocation, at around 8.30pm.
The offender, who had been playing on a games machine, punched the victim, 27, in the face and knocked him to the ground. He then repeatedly kicked him in the head.
The man was left with a broken nose and such severe damage to his eye socket that it needed an operation.
The attacker is white and thought to be of Eastern European origin. He is 25 to 30-years-old and of solid build with short, light hair. He was wearing a lime green polo shirt, possibly a Fred Perry branded one, and knee-length beige shorts.
After the attack, the offender left in the direction of Whitley.
Investigating officer PC Harry Dorey wants anyone who saw anything or recognises the description of the offender to contact him.
If you have information you can call PC Dorey on 101 or the charity Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111
clive82 you clearly are one sad person...
As a Ladbrokes shareholder I will attend the next AGM and demand that you are outed.....
And I can shout with the best of them you minimum wage lackey....
As a Ladbrokes shareholder I will attend the next AGM and demand that you are outed.....
And I can shout with the best of them you minimum wage lackey....
^ that is an awful story but what is its relevance to this debate other than the guy involved was seen playing one of these machines?
Clive82, you'd need three promotions to be a ****. You really are a low grade human
in every respect.
in every respect.
Hackney betting shops back in spotlight
Hackney Council asks for residents’ comments on new draft paper on gambling
Andrew Dolan http://hackneycitizen.co.uk
Thursday 9 August 2012
The borough’s betting shops are under scrutiny again as Hackney council has released a new draft gambling policy and a public consultation on the new document is currently underway.
The policy outlines the principles the council is to apply when examining applications for premises licenses. The new document represents virtually no substantive change to current policy, however.
The sixty-nine page policy, available to read on the council’s website, outlines in detail the principles that the council is to apply when examining applications for premises licenses.
According to Hackney Council’s Cabinet Member for Crime, Sustainability and Customer Services, Cllr Sophie Linden, this lack of change is the result of restrictive legislation.
In a foreword to the report, Linden states the Gambling Act 2005 and the Gambling Commission Guidance “unduly limit the council’s ambitions . . . to encourage the development of a varied and sustainable local environment . . . particularly in controlling numbers of betting shops and the concerns of how an increase of these could undermine the social and economic cohesion in the borough.”
The growth in the number of betting shops and their prevalence on the nation’s high streets has in recent years become a matter of public debate. Hackney, with sixty-four betting shops — three times the national average for a local authority — is at the centre of this debate.
The Hackney Citizen spoke to a number of betting shop customers and workers about the council’s ambitions and although both groups, particularly the latter, welcomed the rigorous age and safety requirements demanded of betting shops by the gambling policy, there was dissent with regard to the possibility of the council being granted additional powers for ‘place shaping’, which was derided by some as unnecessary interference.
One worker (who wished to remain anonymous), although keenly aware of the social problems linked to gambling, was keen to emphasise the economic and social benefits of an occupied high street premises, even if it is a betting shop, as opposed to an empty building, as is commonplace in the age of the ‘death of the high street’. He described the situation is “a double edged sword.”
The gambling policy, reviewed at least once every three years and based on guidance from the Gambling Commission, was created in 2007 to ensure the safety, fairness, and legality of gambling in Hackney for the benefit of its residents and economy.
Hackney Council is inviting residents to comment on its latest policy draft. http://www.hackney.gov.uk/gambling.htm
Hackney Council asks for residents’ comments on new draft paper on gambling
Andrew Dolan http://hackneycitizen.co.uk
Thursday 9 August 2012
The borough’s betting shops are under scrutiny again as Hackney council has released a new draft gambling policy and a public consultation on the new document is currently underway.
The policy outlines the principles the council is to apply when examining applications for premises licenses. The new document represents virtually no substantive change to current policy, however.
The sixty-nine page policy, available to read on the council’s website, outlines in detail the principles that the council is to apply when examining applications for premises licenses.
According to Hackney Council’s Cabinet Member for Crime, Sustainability and Customer Services, Cllr Sophie Linden, this lack of change is the result of restrictive legislation.
In a foreword to the report, Linden states the Gambling Act 2005 and the Gambling Commission Guidance “unduly limit the council’s ambitions . . . to encourage the development of a varied and sustainable local environment . . . particularly in controlling numbers of betting shops and the concerns of how an increase of these could undermine the social and economic cohesion in the borough.”
The growth in the number of betting shops and their prevalence on the nation’s high streets has in recent years become a matter of public debate. Hackney, with sixty-four betting shops — three times the national average for a local authority — is at the centre of this debate.
The Hackney Citizen spoke to a number of betting shop customers and workers about the council’s ambitions and although both groups, particularly the latter, welcomed the rigorous age and safety requirements demanded of betting shops by the gambling policy, there was dissent with regard to the possibility of the council being granted additional powers for ‘place shaping’, which was derided by some as unnecessary interference.
One worker (who wished to remain anonymous), although keenly aware of the social problems linked to gambling, was keen to emphasise the economic and social benefits of an occupied high street premises, even if it is a betting shop, as opposed to an empty building, as is commonplace in the age of the ‘death of the high street’. He described the situation is “a double edged sword.”
The gambling policy, reviewed at least once every three years and based on guidance from the Gambling Commission, was created in 2007 to ensure the safety, fairness, and legality of gambling in Hackney for the benefit of its residents and economy.
Hackney Council is inviting residents to comment on its latest policy draft. http://www.hackney.gov.uk/gambling.htm
Thanks for your concern motley im home in one piece back in the morning for the early shift ........... nite all
To confirm homefortea you are going to propose a motion at the next Ladbrokes AGM that Clive82 on the betfair forum needs to be outed???
Priceless.
Priceless.
Bookies bonanza: Plan for betting shops to 'pop up' in any high street premises
By Gerri Peev 10 August 2012
Betting shops will be able to spring up on the high street for up to two years without planning permission under government plans to ‘reinvigorate’ town centres.
Entrepreneurs will be encouraged to start ‘pop-up’ shops and cafes to stop high streets from turning into ghost towns.
But the Government’s plans to rip up red tape for vacant retail space could also let bookies in by the back door. Residents will lose the right to object to the opening of a betting shop through their town hall’s planning system.
Ministers intend to scrap requirements for fledgling retailers to apply for planning permission before setting up temporary shops in empty retail spaces.
The move is designed to attract shoppers back to town centres blighted by the recession. But the fine print of the Government’s consultation says that ‘appropriate temporary use’ would include betting shops as well as employment agencies, banks, restaurants, cafes, offices and retail spaces.
Bookies can set up in former banks, building societies or pubs without the need for planning permission under current rules. But the proposal would open up the entire high street to bookies, who would be able to set up ‘temporary’ branches in a far bigger range of premises.
Waiving planning permission could lead to even more betting shops setting up for two years and cashing in on the desperation of punters during the recession. They could then apply to become a permanent fixture in the town centre. Betting shops would still have to apply for a gambling licence, but critics have pointed out it is nearly impossible to block this.
Objectors have to prove that the establishment would definitely encourage problem gambling and anti-social behaviour.
Labour MP David Lammy, who has hit out at the proliferation of betting shops in his North London constituency Tottenham, said: ‘Relaxed planning restrictions are there to encourage new, independent stores that add vibrancy and diversity on the high street, not give bookmakers yet another loophole to exploit in their takeover of British high streets.’
A Department for Communities and Local Government spokesman said: ‘Current licensing rules under the Gambling Act remain in place and a new requirement to notify the local authority of any change of use will ensure that inappropriate development doesn’t take place.
‘On top of this, local authorities already have a range of powers available to tackle any local problems where the impact of betting shops has become unacceptable.
‘The proposals are about giving young entrepreneurs the chance to start new businesses by making it easier and cheaper to temporarily bring empty shops back into use, supporting regeneration of high streets.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2186835/Bookies-bonanza-Plan-betting...
By Gerri Peev 10 August 2012
Betting shops will be able to spring up on the high street for up to two years without planning permission under government plans to ‘reinvigorate’ town centres.
Entrepreneurs will be encouraged to start ‘pop-up’ shops and cafes to stop high streets from turning into ghost towns.
But the Government’s plans to rip up red tape for vacant retail space could also let bookies in by the back door. Residents will lose the right to object to the opening of a betting shop through their town hall’s planning system.
Ministers intend to scrap requirements for fledgling retailers to apply for planning permission before setting up temporary shops in empty retail spaces.
The move is designed to attract shoppers back to town centres blighted by the recession. But the fine print of the Government’s consultation says that ‘appropriate temporary use’ would include betting shops as well as employment agencies, banks, restaurants, cafes, offices and retail spaces.
Bookies can set up in former banks, building societies or pubs without the need for planning permission under current rules. But the proposal would open up the entire high street to bookies, who would be able to set up ‘temporary’ branches in a far bigger range of premises.
Waiving planning permission could lead to even more betting shops setting up for two years and cashing in on the desperation of punters during the recession. They could then apply to become a permanent fixture in the town centre. Betting shops would still have to apply for a gambling licence, but critics have pointed out it is nearly impossible to block this.
Objectors have to prove that the establishment would definitely encourage problem gambling and anti-social behaviour.
Labour MP David Lammy, who has hit out at the proliferation of betting shops in his North London constituency Tottenham, said: ‘Relaxed planning restrictions are there to encourage new, independent stores that add vibrancy and diversity on the high street, not give bookmakers yet another loophole to exploit in their takeover of British high streets.’
A Department for Communities and Local Government spokesman said: ‘Current licensing rules under the Gambling Act remain in place and a new requirement to notify the local authority of any change of use will ensure that inappropriate development doesn’t take place.
‘On top of this, local authorities already have a range of powers available to tackle any local problems where the impact of betting shops has become unacceptable.
‘The proposals are about giving young entrepreneurs the chance to start new businesses by making it easier and cheaper to temporarily bring empty shops back into use, supporting regeneration of high streets.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2186835/Bookies-bonanza-Plan-betting...
A letter in today's Financial Times
Bookmakers and local authorities
From Mr Dirk Vennix
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4961f432-e2ea-11e1-a463-00144feab49a.html#axzz23QUwlisv
Bookmakers and local authorities
From Mr Dirk Vennix
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4961f432-e2ea-11e1-a463-00144feab49a.html#axzz23QUwlisv
As an ex retailer,who saw the light and got out in time,much of the blame lies with the landlords.
Retail rentals and council tax are way too high for most,hence betting shops,and charity shops who don't appear to be concerned about how high the rent is,take over the leases.
If rentals were still reasonable,then there would be many privately owned small units trading,selling goods far different from those sold by the multiples,and,of course,less LBOs.
Retail rentals and council tax are way too high for most,hence betting shops,and charity shops who don't appear to be concerned about how high the rent is,take over the leases.
If rentals were still reasonable,then there would be many privately owned small units trading,selling goods far different from those sold by the multiples,and,of course,less LBOs.
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