John Gorton

and Geoff Lewis and don`t forget Brian Jago who done me a big turn when winning the Plate with Tom Cribb in 73. Carried Lord Rosebery`s famous colours, primrose and rose hoops.

Grey Baron was another big favourite of mine, owned by the Rothschilds I think.

Who will ever forget Scallywag, one of the biggest racehorses I`ve ever seen.

Bruce Hobbs trained some wonderful horses.

I think he trained a horse called Stumped in the late 70s earle 80s

I vaguely mind of Stumped reculver. Other good uns trained by Brucie not mentioned above were:

Jacinth
Acclimitise
Vielle
Sleat
Tolmi
Stilvi
Shebeen
Gay Lemur
Hecla
Everything Nice
Cry Of Truth
Tromos
Tumbledownwind
Royal Harmony
Tachypous
Anax
Count Pahlen
Take A Reef
Jolly Good
Amyndas
Touch Paper
Hotfoot
Jupiter Pluvius
Catherine Wheel
Tyranavos
Chil The Kite
Court Gift
Rouser (That was the Rothschild horse I was thinking of, not Grey Baron)

I seem to recall Hecla nearly beating Mill Reef once. Get those reference books out onlooker

I mind of that race. Imperial Stakes at Kempton 1970. Mill Reef won by a length @ 2/9.

Well done, mm.. Great run from the filly nonetheless..

It sure was.

Mill Reefs first ever race he beat Mr Piggott on a hoss about the same price - 2/9 called Fireside Chat (think it was Armstrongs and Englehards)

Unless my memory has wilted..

^ at Salisbury.

themightymac , scallywag can still see the jockey trying to pull him up at newmarket ...what a monster he was ....superb thread lads...

Nice one onlooker, the course passed me by..

Brilliant thread, just a bit confused I know that John Gorton rode for Bruce Hobbs but maybe it's my old age I thought Sleeping Partner was trained by Doug Smith for whom Gorton rode a lot of horses at that time.

Correct mate , must admit thought it was Hobbs myself until I looked it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsom_Oaks

Doug Smith trained Sleeping Partner. He took over the Rosebery horse when Jack Jarvis died. Hobbs took over the horses when Doug Smith retired. John Gorton was apprenticed to Fred Rickaby in South Africa. Fred was the elder brother of flat jockey Bill, cousins of Lester Piggott. Fred emigrated to South Africa in 1947, and was a top trainer there. He died 2 years ago.

*Rosebery horses*

I think Fireside Chat was trained by Fulke Johnson-Houghton as a 2yo. He won his first race, a big field maiden at Newmarket, having got left several lengths (tape start I think), but flew through the field to win easily, looking an exceptional 2yo - hence the price next time. He was 2nd in the Norfolk to Mummys Pet. Later on Doug Marks trained him, and won a couple of pattern sprints in Europe.

Best thread since the one stuffed full of reminiscences from betting shop managers/staff. Was Gorton riding over here at the same time as Noel Murless took on George Moore ?

Fireside Chat started 6/5 fav for that debut - a 27-runner 5f maiden. My Swallow should also have made his debut in the race - Bill Williamson weighed out for the ride, but the horse was withdrawn and didn't come under orders?. Would he have won?

"penultimate question mark shouldn't be there*

I rememeber being at the Easter meeting at Kempton in 1969, where John Gorton was new to the country. He won the first race on the card on 2yo Fish And Chips for Doug Smith/Lord Rosebery. It must have been one of his first winners here. Did George Moore ride just for the on season here? If so, it was 1967.

Amazing that is it not, one season and all the success. Think he started in France before he came to the UK. Then went back to Australia.. Some say warned off ?

Guinness - correct about George Moore and France - He won lots of big french races in 1959 and 60.  Also riding for Alec Head/Aly Khan, he won the 2000gns in 1959 and the Ascot Gold Cup in 1960.

weren't there rumours at the time that George Moore had fallen out with some gangsters and that was why he had to leave England.

i think the last straw for him was the mob threatening his family

Some great posts guys.

Did Sandy Barclay get the job at Warren Place before or after George Moore? Memory says after. I believe he went to France after being 1st jockey to Sir Noel but whatever became of him?

After, mm..

nice one workrider - did Scallywag become a NH stallion and if so did he get any decent jumpers at stud? He was a monster of a horse. Did you work for Bruce Hobbs ?

I thought so g2d but wasn`t 100% sure.

Was it Francois Boutin he went to ride for in France?

after themightymac...he rode connacht in the derby and cried after getting nailed near the finish....

thats sandy barclay btw ...

Brodessa was one of his.. Reveley had it i think..

Jim Joels workrider, he had some terrific animals during that period too.

And Better Times Ahead, Springfield Scally, cant think of many more

your right ,joel was the main man at one stage ...do you by any chance remember a horse ridden by b taylor putting its foot in a hole and stumbling near the finish and just getting beat ..i backed i think it was a 9/1 shot had my last ten bob on it as well ...

Mrs Mullins had one years ago called Scally Owen, that might have been his..

Jellaby was the horse workrider, referred to earlier in the thread funnily enough...!

Cork langer is spot on. Jellaby, owned by Essa Al Khalifa and trained by Ryan Price. Lockinge Stakes was the race, Don was eventual winner.

thats it , thanks cork langer , will have a look down the thread ...

Didn`t realise Sandy B was an owner g2d.

Keep up, mm..

Jellaby gets more mentions on these type of threads - than  -

Jamie Spencer does, on the Forum - following being beaten on one of his 'overdoing the waiting tactics' rides.

True Onlooker, "real" hard luck stories stick in the mind of actual racing people, surprised Dibidale doesn't get more mention to be honest.

Dibidale was very unlucky in Oaks when saddle slipped.

Other one that springs to mind a-la-Jellaby is Ile de Chypre.

Just to clarify, mm.. You asked was the big fella ever a stallion ? I just gave up the ones i could remember..

Just noticed your post g2d

Should have put water in that Malt this afternoon in pub

Sacrilege !!!

Wouldn`t waste a good malt by adding water.

ged.

didnt Fireside Chat get beat at Salisbury going off at 1/5 by the debutant Mill Reef on their guineas trial day,must have been in the early 60s.

Topic was discussed earlier today Frank , have a look back at Guinness & Ged posts   

Scallywag became a highly successful NH sire he was over 17 hands.

Scallywag was actually too big to go into the stalls, so rather than try to close the gate behind him, they had a length of rope that they looped across his backside instead. Connaught was also a really big solid horse as a 5yo, and he barely fit into the stalls, though it was more a question of width with him. Scallywag was tall and lengthy.

Given the accumulated wisdom on this thread, can you help me with this...

Cawstons Pride - I think I know all the obvious stuff, but when she won first time out(?) where was it? and by how far did she win?

I am pretty sure it was an early afternoon Saturday as I watched it with my dad. I have always thought it was Haydock and 100/8 sticks in the memory as the sp, and she seemed to win by miles but memory plays tricks.

Grateful for all or any opinions/info on this filly. God she was quick! Backed her for the Queen Maryand I think I won nearly a fiver.

i remember her blackbarn , a real cracker , think she was trained by a guy called freddie maxwell ...

Scallywags best offspring would be ...


Better Times Ahead

    26-y-o (05May86 ro g)
    Scallywag  (14.9f) — City´s Sister (Maystreak  (9.5f))
    Trainer
    Nicky Richards
    Owner E Briggs
    Breeder E Briggs

    RACE RECORD
    PEDIGREE
    MY NOTES
    PHOTOS

Jumps placings 2UU2/11251/365402P/34112PP1/11P/11116/5056PP0/2861853P1/2111122P1/123140/2267/11/
LIFETIME RECORD     STARTS     WINS     2NDS     3RDS     WINNINGS     EARNINGS     BEST TS     BEST RPR     OR†
Hurdle     37     9     6     2     £45,451     £56,048     148     151     117
Chase     32     14     6     2     £51,235     £62,878     142     140     125
Rules Races     69     23     12     4     £96,686     £118,926

She won one race at 100/8 on, blackbarn.. Think it was the Lowther..

And of course ridden by the ill-fated Brian Taylor..

that was from memory blackbarn , glad to see i still have one ..she was trained by f. maxwell , and ridden by b taylor , who also rode jellaby ...she won the 1,ooo gns trial at kempton the molecomb ,lowther ,and queen mary...she was also the dam of solonis a good sprinter of v obriens if i remember correctly....

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com

Cawstons Pride was bred on a limited budget by Len
Hall, owner of a small farm in the British midlands.
Halls father bought Cawstons Prides third dam, the
tastily named Salmonella, for as little as 90 guineas.
Cawstons Pride was the product of a mating between
two very different animals. Her sire Con Brio, a
handsome but disappointing Ribot colt, won the
Brighton Derby Trial over a mile and a half, whereas her
dam, Cawston Tower, excelled over five furlongs.

Breeders often arrange this type of mating in the
hope that the offspring will fall somewhere in the
middle of the distance scale, but, as often as not, the
foal inherits either one parents speed or the others
stamina. In Cawstons Prides case, she inherited all of
her dams speed and then some. Racing entirely over
Britians minimum distance of five furlongs, she was
unbeaten in eight juvenile starts. The 1970 Free
Handicap provides a good idea of her brilliance. The
two-year-old colts of 1970 were a phenomenal
collection, headed by My Swallow (the first horse ever
to win Frances big four juvenile events), Mill Reef and
Brigadier Gerard. The last two were to become legends
of the British turf, yet Cawstons Pride was rated
virtually their equal or superior if you add in a 3lb sex
allowance to her Free Handicap assignment of 130lb.
She was weighted just 3lb below My Swallow, 2lb
below Mill Reef and 1lb below Brigadier Gerard. No
wonder this seemingly invincible filly was compared to
the legendary Mumtaz Mahal.
   
Unfortunately, Cawstons Pride did prove to have an
Achilles heel her temperament. After extending her
winning sequence to nine on her reappearance at three,
she was reluctant to go to the start when favorite for
the 1000 Guineas and suffered her first defeat.
Dropped back to five furlongs, she dug her toes in at
the start of the Kings Stand S. and was retired. It
seems she inherited more than just her exceptional
ability from her grandsire, Ribot, whose stock could be
quirky.

Nowadays, as I hinted earlier, a filly of Cawstons
Prides extraordinary talent would almost certainly have
started her broodmare career in the ownership of one of
breeding=s superpowers. But not in 1971. Len Hall
maintained ownership of his star filly, whose earnings
werent enormous, and, as a consequence, the filly=s
breeding career took a somewhat unconventional path.

By the time Cawstons Pride died of a twisted gut in
1978, at the age of 10, she had produced only four
foals, three of them colts. The stallion selected for her
in 1973 and 74, in her second and third seasons was
Comedy Star. I have a sneaking suspicion that Comedy
Star was chosen partly because of his location, about
40 miles away from Mr. Halls farm, as there was no
other obvious reason for picking this handsome son of
Tom Fool for so good a racemare.

Although Comedy Star enjoyed a lot of success in
handicaps, he wasn=t quite up to beating the best milers
at stakes level. The fact that he ended his days in
South Africa tells us that he wasnt an outstanding
success as a stallion, but both his sons out of
Cawstons Pride became group winners.

The first, Cawstons Clown, won the G2 Coventry S.,
while the second, Solinus, developed into a champion
sprinter for Robert Sangster.

Cawstons Prides last son, Man of Vision, was
conceived when his sire Never Say Die was 24 years
old and seemingly well past his prime. Even so, Man of
Vision was good enough to contest the Derby and
earned a Timeform rating of 119.

However, it has been Cawstons Prides only
daughter, Katie May, who has proved her main legacy.
Although her sire Busted was a noted source of
stamina, Katie May was at her best at around a mile
and ran creditably in the 1976 1000 Guineas. Katie
May was sold for 20,000gns at the end of her racing
career and, needless to say, proved a bargain. Four of
her nine foals became stakes winners, headed by the
top French filly Grise Mine and the excellent American
turf mare Kostroma. Grise Mine now ranks as the
second dam of Nashobas Key (her dam Nashoba
sharing the same sire, Caerleon, as Kostroma), while
Kostroma is the dam of Ariege. Another of Katie Mays
daughters, Miss Profile, is the second dam of Carry On
Katie, one of the best British juvenile fillies of 2003.

It seems odd that Kostroma has seemingly been
saving the best until last. Her first stakes winner, the
French filly Ballet Pacifica, was produced at the age of
17 and now Kostroma has finally lived up to
expectations with Ariege, whom she foaled as a
19-year-old. What makes this late success all the more
unexpected is the fact that Ballet Pacifica=s sire Minardi
stood at $12,500, while Arieges sire, the Grade II
winner Doneraile Court, was priced at $15,000 in
2004. Among their less successful predecessors were
foals by Forty Niner, Storm Cat, Danzig and A.P. Indy.
 
Perhaps Hail to Reason has something to do with
Arieges talent. Doneraile Court is himself inbred 4x3 to
this champion juvenile and theres a third line in Arieges
pedigree via Caerleons excellent second dam, Regal
Gleam. Doneraile Courts Grade II-winning son Rulers
Court also has three lines of Hail to Reason (and so
does his recent UAE 1000 Guineas and Oaks winner
Cocoa Beach, although the third line is quite distant).

SANTA ANITA OAKS-GI, $300,000, SAX, 3-8, 3yo, f,
1 1/16m (AWT), 1:42 3/5, ft.
1--#@sARIEGE, 122, f, 3, by Doneraile Court
1st Dam: Kostroma (Ire) (Hwt. Older Mare-Ire at 7-9.5f,
MGISW-US, GSW & G1SP-Ire, $1,205,813), by Caerleon
2nd Dam: Katie May (GB), by Busted (GB)
3rd Dam: Cawston's Pride (GB), by *Con Brio II
   ($75,000 yrl '06 KEESEP). O-IEAH Stables & Pegasus
   Holding Group Stables; B-Calumet Farm (KY);
   T-Robert J Frankel; J-Corey S Nakatani; $180,000.
   Lifetime Record: 6-2-1-1, $232,531. *1/2 to Ballet
   Pacifica (Minardi), SW & GSP-Fr, GSP-US, $120,123.

It isnt as hard to establish the source of Nashobas
Keys ability, which has enabled her to become a stakes
winner on turf, synthetic and dirt. She is Silver Hawks
third Grade/Group I winner from only 13 foals out of
Caerleon mares, following the St Leger winner
Mutafaweq and the good French filly Germance. Or
perhaps she is just another example of the way
Cawstons Prides extraordinary ability resurfaces every
now and then.

William Farnham Maxwell (also known as Freddie) was from Ireland..

Won 2 Ascot Gold Cups with Fighting Charlie, and also won a Yorkshire Gold Cup with Alto Volante.. Had a particulat knack with stayers, yet trianed the flying Cawstons Pride..

Thanks Guinness. Correct! She did def win Lowther at 8/100.

Its really the debut performance details I am after. Any thoughts?

Not got a clue, although you probably know she was unbeaten at two - 8 wins ?

what a lovely story anaglogs , i really enjoyed reading that thanks mate......

Cawstons Pride won the Cornwallis in 1970 and Lowther in 1971 (sp 8/100 )...remember being at Royal Ascot one day around then when it was raining very heavily when she got stuck in the mud when favourite...couldn't believe she was beaten ;probably lost 5/-.

Guinness - Fighting Charlie - Thank you for reminding me. My teenage penchant for racing colours takes me back to his owner Lady Mairi Bury who apparently was, shall we say difficult. Still her racing colours redeem her - All Rose. Even her second colours were classy - Rose Pink with a Stewart Tartan Cap.

cheers for the Cawston's Pride info AD.

I certainly remember Cawston's Pride but I honestly couldn't remember her being up there in the ratings with My Swallow, Mill Reef and the Brigadier.

Guinness - re unbeaten at 2 and 8 from 8, I did not know that so thanks  I knew she won 9 from 11 in her career, and won the 1000 gns trial at three

AG - Thanks a million - I promise never to criticise your plagiarism ever again

or even AD!

CAWSTON'S PRIDE

Con Brio - Cawston Tower

I think Con Brio was a Noel Murless horse -
He was a son of Ribot, out of Petronella.

Unbeaten in 8 races at 2-yr-old in 1970

Won 3 times before winning Queen Mary at Royal Ascot

Working backwards - George Lambton Fillies Stakes at Newmarket  Guineas Meeting, at 8.13 Fv
Cucumber Fillies Stakes at Goodwood, 9/4 2nd fav

DÉBUT - April 18th -

NEWBURY - Heavy
2:00 St Anne's Maiden Stakes (fillies) 5f

1. CAWSTON'S PRIDE  8-12  Brian Taylor
   (unfurnished, scope, led well over 1 furlong out, easily)
2. La Corsaire  8-12  Lester  Piggott
3. Mary Crocket  8-12  Frankie Durr

21 ran

Distance:  10 lengths, length and a half

Time: 1m 11.6s (10.20 slow)

SP:  10/6 (from 20's) - 7/1 - 5/1

Trained by: Farnham Maxwell, Lambourn

Owned and bred by - L B Hall.

Wonder if he was any relation to trainer Les (L A) HALL (Winchester) - who could make Barney Curley look like a ****cat - and was 'Warned off' over the Litteleton Lad affair.

http://bit.ly/NPgtxy

This will keep you amused...for about 4 months

http://theapprenticejockey.blogspot.ie/

thats another name from the past la corsaire ....what was the name of that smashing 2yo ridden by lester that barely got 5 furs ....think armstrong or wragg trained it.... one of oppimhimers maybe....?

Red Rum?

Amaranda ?

Brilliant Onlooker - I knew it was a Saturday and Newbury makes sense as the race was on television.  "100/6 and 10 lengths" not too far off 100/8 and "miles". Many thanks as usual.

well done g2dear thats her ...

* SP:  100/6 (from 20's)

Interestingly - The Book says that the TOTE paid just 122/-

That is 122 Shillings =  £6.10

The Dividend was declared to 4/- Four Shillings, in those days -
So Cawston's Pride Paid just under 30/1 on the Tote.

The Place paid 33/- (just over 7/1)

Amaranda - beaten in the Molecomb by Hatta.   My first Glorious Goodwood!

really enjoyed this thread today lads , its been a long day on here , so off to bed with me , night all...

Oíche mhaith

Onlooker - The divi info is perhaps not surprising given the "unfurnished" description. Also there are later descriptions of her as looking like a camel (but running like a cheetah).  I just remember being blown away by her debut performance, and telling my dad that she was a Royal Ascot filly - not that I had a clear idea of exactly what that meant, but I'd heard it before and it sounded good.

Interesting the the ground at Newbers that day was heavy (one of her defeats next year was put down to heavy ground) It's more likely that she just didn't train on....

Anaglogs Daughter
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This will keep you amused...for about 4 months 

http://theapprenticejockey.blogspot.ie/ 


much too much to go through it all AD but I enjoyed reading the bit at the end about the Flockton Grey conspiracy.

Anaglogs Daughter - Brilliant piece about Cawstons Pride, many thanks for that.

Just one thing I would dispute:

"the second, Solinus, developed into a champion sprinter for Robert Sangster"

Memory can play tricks, but I would bet my house that Solinus carried the colours of Danny Schwartz throughout his distinguished career, Red and Dark Blue hoops or was it Red and Black hoops. Sangster probably had a share but I can`t remember Solinus ever running in his colours.

Man of Vision, brings back memories, Michael Jarvis trained I think. Can`t remember the owner but it was the Yellow colours with a Red fringe like a cowboy jacket. Anybody remember who`s colours they were?

mightymac - Man Of Vision was owned by Jerry Sung. And yes, Solinus carried Danny Schwartz's colours - he was a member of "The Syndicate" which included Sangster and the Magniers, and provided useful liquid capital to it.

I was at Ascot when Cawstons won the Cornwallis, and the Guineas trial at 3. In the former race, she raced up the rail with Mummys Pet on her outside (he had won the Norfolk, and with the "big 3" all going up in distance, he was left to be the fastest 2yo colt around). Between the 2 and the 1, they started really racing, and she just ran away from him - the crowd clapped her all the way through the final furlong. She won about 4 lengths I think. She looked a bit odd when she galloped flat out - had a long neck which stuck out in front and she had a sort of scuttling action. I remember reading that she always pulled out lame the morning after a race.

The Newbury debut was Greenham day. (Gold Rod won it). I think she raced on firm ground next time out, and was just as impressive. Might have faced a Doug Smith 2yo called Late Spring.

Mightymac - Nearly! - Jerry Sungs colours were Red with Gold fringed hoop, armlets and cap.  I have Danny Schwarz's colours in something but cant lay my hands on it at the mo

Thanks Ged for confirming that Solinus did indeed carry the colours of Danny Schwartz and that the owner of Man Of Vision was Jerry Sung, I couldn`t remember his name!

Nice one Blackbarn, it seems I was getting Jerry Sung`s colours in reverse, but I was close!

Have you managed to track down Danny Schwartz`s colours? I`m pretty sure it was Red & Black hoops or Red and Dark Blue Hoops, but could be wrong.

Speaking of Danny Schwartz, his colours were pretty popular back then, but apart from Solinus, I`m struggling to remember any other good horses that carried them. Anybody refresh my memory?

Danzatore

2005 http://www.moneyweek.com

JOHN MAGNIER

His eureka moment
Although John Magnier made his fortune breeding champion race horses, his shrewdness and toughness would have taken him to the top of any business. “The softest thing about Magnier,” it is often said, “is his teeth.” Nonetheless, Magnier’s family background and racing connections stood him in good stead, says the Irish Independent. Born in 1948, the son of “well to do” farmers, he grew up near Fermoy in County Cork where his family had been breeding horses since the 1850s. His mother, Evie Stockwell, who ran the family stud after the death of Magnier’s father, was a particularly formidable figure and a close friend of Ireland’s most successful trainer, Vincent O’Brien. The connection between the families was cemented when Magnier married O’Brien’s daughter, Susan.


Magnier’s breakthrough was to realise that the “gentlemanly pursuit” of breeding and owning thoroughbreds could be “professionalised to generate whopping returns”, says The Sunday Telegraph. “His eureka was to do it as a business, not a pastime.” Certainly, conditions in Ireland in the early 1970s couldn’t have been better: in 1969, finance minister Charles Haughey had pushed through legislation giving stud fees tax-free status. Magnier saw his chance, and went for it.   

How he found the cash
The catalyst that lifted the young Magnier into the big time was his friendship with Robert Sangster, heir to the Vernon football pools fortune. Then in his late 30s, Sangster was a loss-making hobby breeder who was so impressed with Magnier’s acumen - as well as his first stud stallion, Green God - that he financed a partnership arrangement. Before long, the duo had recruited “training genius” Vincent O’Brien to the fold and, in 1975, they took over Coolmore Stud in County Tipperary. The business plan was based on Magnier’s conviction that the big pay-off in racing no longer lay in prize money, but “in the breeding barn”. “If you don’t have the semen,” he said, “you don’t have the industry.” Since the best bloodstock was to be found in America, they would buy up the best yearlings there, bring them to Ireland, race them, and develop them into prize stallions at a tax-free profit.

The bloodline that Magnier selected was that of Northern Dancer, an “explosively fast” stallion whose offspring were causing a sensation on US race tracks. But the partnership found it next to impossible to buy into his gene pool: “the Americans always outbid us”, said Sangster. The solution they came up with was syndication: striking deals with rich US investors not only helped them raise bids, but also spread the risk. In their first year of operation, they raised some $4m to spend on stock, and in the second year $6m, says The New York Times. High profile investors included Frank Sinatra’s manager, Danny Schwarz, but “there were few results”. Magnier was learning that even with a Northern Dancer in his bloodline, every yearling is a longshot.

Striking gold
After a nail-biting two years, the partnership “struck gold” in 1977, says The Times. Between them, The Minstrel, Alleged, Artaius and Be My Guest secured all “the great races of Europe” - including the English and Irish Derbys and the Prix de L’Arc de Triomphe - and the profit-taking began. Magnier picked up his share of a cool $9m when the Minstrel (bought for $200,000 in 1975) was sold back to America for stud. But the real profits came from the stallions, like Alleged, says The New York Times. Before long, he was commanding some $80,000 for each mating, and covering a minimum 40 mares a year. Given that a horse can produce offspring well into his 20s, the partnership reckoned on making some $80m from Alleged’s earnings alone - money that was swiftly channelled into more top prospects. By the 1980s, with a second generation of champions now storming through, it was clear that Magnier had “revolutionised the blood-stock industry”, says The Sunday Times.

july cup

1973    Thatch    3    Lester Piggott    Vincent O'Brien    Jack Mulcahy    1:13.10

1974    Saritamer    3    Lester Piggott    Vincent O'Brien    Charles St George    1:11.80

1975    Lianga    4    Yves Saint-Martin    Angel Penna, Sr.    Daniel Wildenstein    1:11.80

1976    Lochnager    4    Edward Hide    Mick Easterby    Charles Spence    1:12.30

1977    Gentilhombre     4    Paul Cook    Neil Adam    J. Murrell    1:11.40

1978    Solinus            3      Lester Piggott    Vincent O'Brien    Danny Schwartz    1:11.90

1979    Thatching    4    Lester Piggott    Vincent O'Brien    Robert Sangster 1: 13.20

Anaglogs Daughter - Thanks once again for another fantastic article. You are a wealth of information. Never knew that Danny Schwartz was Frank Sinatra`s manager. Brilliant piece of trivia.

I remember being impressed in the Ayr paddock with a Barry Hills 2-y-o which carried the Schwartz colours, must have been late 70s early 80s, called El Granada which ran well finishing 4th I think. Don`t know what became of it but something makes me think that it was sent to race in USA. Maybe someone can verify this.

I knew Solinus carried the Schwartz colours but couldn`t remember any other good horses that did, until Masked Magician reminded me of Danzatore. Well done MM, I`d forgotten about that one. Surely there must be more?

john gorton went to Australia, he was definitely still there last year, my cousin got a Christmas card off of him.
i will ask for more details.

Was at York when Solinus won the William Hill Sprint Championship ( Nunthorpe); got my racecard signed by a few jocks; Eddie Hide, Carson and two more that I can't remember. The runner up to Solinus was Bill Wightman's Smarten Up who ended up being the dam of Cadeuex Generauex ( prob spelt wrongly) who was probably a better animal than the horse that beat her.
I seem to remember Schwartz having another one time promising colt called Gregorian who eventually fell below the top level.

Thanks Mister E

I mind of Gregorian now that you mention him verbotene liebe. They thought he was going to be a real good un.