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11 Jul 12
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you said go off and test it so i did, i have wanted to collect some new raw data for some other research regarding certain yards and market moves so thought now was as good a time as any.
Raw data for a 2 year period july 2010- june 2012 was collected from http://promo.betfair.com/betfairsp/prices/.
i devised spread sheets with filters and organised this data to run your system for 2 years.
lay all 2nd,3rd and 4th favs at BSP when the previous race has been won by one ranked thus. the limit price was set at 16.0.
only uk races were used so there were no obvious clashes of races with same off time.
in the first 12 month period there were 4161 lays and the end balance to £1 stakes was -£51.72 based on 5% commission rate.
the second 12 months yielded 4142 lays and end balance to £1 stakes was -£93.74 based on 5% commission rate.
below is a break down of these lays by month for each period and finally an example of this breakdown for june 2012 (i have this for each of the 24 months but this thread would go on for a very long time if posting it all)
anyway i knew this wouldn't work, there was no logical theoretical reason for it to work and you could not offer one, the tone you took with me made determined me to put in a bit of effort to show it won't work. the betfair market is far too efficient for basic SP systems to work and this was very basic in the extreme.
Raw data for a 2 year period july 2010- june 2012 was collected from http://promo.betfair.com/betfairsp/prices/.
i devised spread sheets with filters and organised this data to run your system for 2 years.
lay all 2nd,3rd and 4th favs at BSP when the previous race has been won by one ranked thus. the limit price was set at 16.0.
only uk races were used so there were no obvious clashes of races with same off time.
in the first 12 month period there were 4161 lays and the end balance to £1 stakes was -£51.72 based on 5% commission rate.
the second 12 months yielded 4142 lays and end balance to £1 stakes was -£93.74 based on 5% commission rate.
below is a break down of these lays by month for each period and finally an example of this breakdown for june 2012 (i have this for each of the 24 months but this thread would go on for a very long time if posting it all)
anyway i knew this wouldn't work, there was no logical theoretical reason for it to work and you could not offer one, the tone you took with me made determined me to put in a bit of effort to show it won't work. the betfair market is far too efficient for basic SP systems to work and this was very basic in the extreme.
| 2ndfav | 3rdfav | 4thfav | |
| Jul-10 | |||
| lays | 216 | 128 | 80 |
| failed | 46 | 15 | 8 |
| success | 170 | 113 | 72 |
| p&l | -1.6 | 11.58 | 8.1 |
| Aug-10 | |||
| lays | 198 | 148 | 85 |
| failed | 37 | 21 | 5 |
| success | 161 | 127 | 80 |
| p&l | 16.68 | 9.85 | 41.04 |
| Sep-10 | |||
| lays | 161 | 98 | 82 |
| failed | 36 | 12 | 5 |
| success | 125 | 86 | 77 |
| p&l | -13.93 | 17.16 | 31.78 |
| Oct-10 | |||
| lays | 162 | 114 | 69 |
| failed | 30 | 18 | 12 |
| success | 132 | 96 | 57 |
| p&l | -5.69 | -31 | -39.85 |
| Nov-10 | |||
| lays | 138 | 93 | 57 |
| failed | 23 | 12 | 4 |
| success | 115 | 81 | 53 |
| p&l | 9.12 | 1.07 | 14.58 |
| Dec-10 | |||
| lays | 150 | 95 | 40 |
| failed | 35 | 17 | 3 |
| success | 115 | 78 | 37 |
| p&l | -24.03 | -31.21 | 11.6 |
| Jan-11 | |||
| lays | 132 | 95 | 51 |
| failed | 21 | 14 | 3 |
| success | 111 | 81 | 48 |
| p&l | 32.3 | -17.75 | 19.35 |
| Feb-11 | |||
| lays | 129 | 81 | 53 |
| failed | 24 | 10 | 10 |
| success | 105 | 71 | 43 |
| p&l | 17.88 | 14.78 | -39.86 |
| Mar-11 | |||
| lays | 130 | 109 | 65 |
| failed | 28 | 17 | 8 |
| success | 102 | 92 | 57 |
| p&l | 1.38 | -17.5 | -22.59 |
| Apr-11 | |||
| lays | 175 | 128 | 84 |
| failed | 26 | 22 | 10 |
| success | 149 | 106 | 74 |
| p&l | 46.77 | -15.78 | -7.48 |
| May-11 | |||
| lays | 215 | 148 | 91 |
| failed | 44 | 32 | 10 |
| success | 171 | 116 | 81 |
| p&l | -17.65 | -73.79 | 0.38 |
| Jun-11 | |||
| lays | 150 | 121 | 90 |
| failed | 34 | 16 | 14 |
| success | 116 | 105 | 76 |
| p&l | 34.52 | 3.27 | -35.2 |
| total lays | 1956 | 1358 | 847 |
| totals £1 | 95.75 | -129.32 | -18.15 |
| year p&l | -51.72 | ||
| £1 stks |
| 2ndfav | 3rdfav | 4thfav | |
| Jul-11 | |||
| lays | 186 | 147 | 108 |
| failed | 32 | 23 | 7 |
| success | 154 | 124 | 101 |
| p&l | 18.73 | -1.44 | 51.93 |
| Aug-11 | |||
| lays | 184 | 150 | 83 |
| failed | 37 | 25 | 7 |
| success | 147 | 125 | 76 |
| p&l | -6.6 | -24.92 | 24.37 |
| Sep-11 | |||
| lays | 170 | 88 | 81 |
| failed | 29 | 11 | 10 |
| success | 141 | 77 | 71 |
| p&l | 6.4 | 3.42 | -14.59 |
| Oct-11 | |||
| lays | 150 | 99 | 77 |
| failed | 21 | 6 | 11 |
| success | 129 | 93 | 66 |
| p&l | 37.66 | 51.91 | -27.97 |
| Nov-11 | |||
| lays | 135 | 121 | 55 |
| failed | 27 | 16 | 6 |
| success | 108 | 105 | 49 |
| p&l | -6.32 | 2.04 | -7.11 |
| Dec-11 | |||
| lays | 149 | 97 | 39 |
| failed | 35 | 17 | 3 |
| success | 114 | 80 | 36 |
| p&l | -26.6 | -29.31 | 10.65 |
| Jan-12 | |||
| lays | 135 | 86 | 67 |
| failed | 29 | 16 | 10 |
| success | 106 | 70 | 57 |
| p&l | -8.65 | -40.9 | -37.26 |
| Feb-12 | |||
| lays | 119 | 76 | 35 |
| failed | 22 | 9 | 5 |
| success | 97 | 67 | 30 |
| p&l | 10.19 | 8.05 | -15.68 |
| Mar-12 | |||
| lays | 164 | 99 | 85 |
| failed | 36 | 13 | 10 |
| success | 128 | 86 | 75 |
| p&l | -4.21 | 3.25 | -0.57 |
| Apr-12 | |||
| lays | 144 | 95 | 67 |
| failed | 23 | 16 | 12 |
| success | 121 | 79 | 55 |
| p&l | 27.51 | -25.66 | -36.19 |
| May-12 | |||
| lays | 217 | 121 | 93 |
| failed | 48 | 14 | 12 |
| success | 169 | 107 | 81 |
| p&l | -56.61 | 5.92 | -13.76 |
| Jun-12 | |||
| lays | 197 | 133 | 90 |
| failed | 37 | 18 | 6 |
| success | 160 | 115 | 84 |
| p&l | -3.12 | -5.02 | 36.72 |
| total lays | 1950 | 1312 | 880 |
| totals £1 | -11.62 | -52.66 | -29.46 |
| year p&l | -93.74 | ||
| £1 stks | |||
| Failed Lays | Jun-12 | 2nd favs | BSP | Market Rank |
| Event Time | Selection | W(1)L(0) | ||
| 01/06/2012 14:50 | Side Glance | 1 | 5.732040801 | 2 |
| 01/06/2012 15:00 | Show Flower | 1 | 3.759386695 | 2 |
| 02/06/2012 20:20 | Maoi Chinn Tire | 1 | 4.4 | 2 |
| 03/06/2012 15:30 | Azulada Bay | 1 | 5.939984781 | 2 |
| 04/06/2012 15:25 | Aachen | 1 | 5.58628642 | 2 |
| 04/06/2012 17:45 | Homer Run | 1 | 5.542878545 | 2 |
| 07/06/2012 16:30 | La Bacouetteuse | 1 | 3.15 | 2 |
| 07/06/2012 16:40 | Mataaleb | 1 | 4.1 | 2 |
| 07/06/2012 21:20 | Cracking Man | 1 | 4.561835949 | 2 |
| 08/06/2012 14:45 | Lollina Paulina | 1 | 5.951835359 | 2 |
| 08/06/2012 14:55 | Talk Of Saafend | 1 | 7.572843163 | 2 |
| 08/06/2012 20:30 | Hallelujah | 1 | 5.106914536 | 2 |
| 11/06/2012 17:00 | Wilde Ruby | 1 | 5.3 | 2 |
| 12/06/2012 17:35 | Cocohatchee | 1 | 4.203941267 | 2 |
| 13/06/2012 14:20 | Gassin Golf | 1 | 4.1 | 2 |
| 13/06/2012 17:10 | Spin Again | 1 | 5.982286151 | 2 |
| 13/06/2012 19:20 | Rock Canyon | 1 | 7.041792113 | 2 |
| 16/06/2012 14:40 | Bridge Night | 1 | 5.928321732 | 2 |
| 16/06/2012 16:30 | Shamaal Nibras | 1 | 3.75 | 2 |
| 17/06/2012 16:30 | Star Breaker | 1 | 6.776578201 | 2 |
| 18/06/2012 15:45 | Red Roar | 1 | 4.8 | 2 |
| 18/06/2012 18:40 | Dansili Dual | 1 | 2.66 | 2 |
| 18/06/2012 18:55 | Knight Charm | 1 | 3.378010378 | 2 |
| 18/06/2012 19:10 | Lucky Suit | 1 | 5.479688094 | 2 |
| 18/06/2012 19:25 | New Decade | 1 | 4.326015964 | 2 |
| 19/06/2012 20:30 | Zaeem | 1 | 4.095869056 | 2 |
| 21/06/2012 17:50 | Join Up | 1 | 7.4 | 2 |
| 21/06/2012 19:55 | Dirty Bertie | 1 | 8.372306022 | 2 |
| 23/06/2012 18:50 | Secret Look | 1 | 5.237177888 | 2 |
| 23/06/2012 19:05 | Strathnaver | 1 | 5.363826902 | 2 |
| 24/06/2012 15:50 | Another Kate | 1 | 4.8 | 2 |
| 25/06/2012 18:10 | Livias Dream | 1 | 5.66609002 | 2 |
| 26/06/2012 16:45 | Wind Star | 1 | 7.515813689 | 2 |
| 27/06/2012 19:50 | Athenian | 1 | 3.377012843 | 2 |
| 27/06/2012 20:10 | Redressthebalance | 1 | 3.747051726 | 2 |
| 28/06/2012 14:10 | Malih | 1 | 6.618400823 | 2 |
| 30/06/2012 15:35 | Libranno | 1 | 4.8 | 2 |
| Successful Lays | Jun-12 | 2nd favs | BSP | Market Rank |
| Event Time | Selection | W(1)L(0) | ||
| 01/06/2012 15:10 | Avison | 0 | 6.522795372 | 2 |
| 01/06/2012 15:35 | Pandorica | 0 | 6.21885743 | 2 |
| 01/06/2012 17:15 | Potentiale | 0 | 3.85 | 2 |
| 01/06/2012 19:25 | Ians Dream | 0 | 3.451207958 | 2 |
| 01/06/2012 19:50 | Ringaroses | 0 | 4.661939758 | 2 |
| 02/06/2012 14:05 | Heavy Metal | 0 | 4.2 | 2 |
| 02/06/2012 14:25 | Party Line | 0 | 5.795635842 | 2 |
| 02/06/2012 14:40 | Beaten Up | 0 | 4.117071854 | 2 |
| 02/06/2012 16:25 | Rasaman | 0 | 4.803124896 | 2 |
| 02/06/2012 17:15 | Heeraat | 0 | 5.1 | 2 |
| 02/06/2012 18:30 | Like Ice | 0 | 7 | 2 |
| 02/06/2012 20:35 | Tara Royal | 0 | 3.650305896 | 2 |
| 03/06/2012 15:40 | Mythical Warrior | 0 | 5.543882885 | 2 |
| 03/06/2012 16:10 | Keep Kicking | 0 | 4.501372643 | 2 |
| 03/06/2012 16:40 | Kirkhammerton | 0 | 5.4 | 2 |
| 04/06/2012 13:55 | Pippy | 0 | 4.684487528 | 2 |
| 04/06/2012 14:25 | Insolenceofoffice | 0 | 6.007512725 | 2 |
| 04/06/2012 15:10 | Matmata De Tendron | 0 | 4.074910884 | 2 |
| 04/06/2012 15:30 | Daquonde | 0 | 5.692194794 | 2 |
| 04/06/2012 15:45 | Dodgey Dream | 0 | 6.514939725 | 2 |
| 04/06/2012 16:25 | Arctic Mirage | 0 | 5.796961952 | 2 |
| 04/06/2012 16:50 | Parisian Princess | 0 | 10.38017364 | 2 |
| 04/06/2012 17:50 | Solar Spirit | 0 | 6.8 | 2 |
| 05/06/2012 14:10 | Ighraa | 0 | 7.410035712 | 2 |
| 05/06/2012 16:10 | Free Advice | 0 | 5.786422227 | 2 |
| 05/06/2012 16:20 | Our Phylli Vera | 0 | 5.583724751 | 2 |
| 05/06/2012 17:20 | Sovereign Street | 0 | 6.31188263 | 2 |
| 05/06/2012 18:05 | Sky Diamond | 0 | 5.1 | 2 |
| 06/06/2012 14:40 | Hidden Horizons | 0 | 3.68780647 | 2 |
| 06/06/2012 15:15 | Crackerjack Lad | 0 | 5.754913666 | 2 |
| 06/06/2012 16:15 | St Moritz | 0 | 4.600207358 | 2 |
| 06/06/2012 16:35 | Psi | 0 | 2.805190467 | 2 |
| 06/06/2012 17:15 | My Mate Jake | 0 | 8.39889656 | 2 |
| 06/06/2012 18:40 | Freeport | 0 | 6.2 | 2 |
| 06/06/2012 19:30 | Beautiful Lando | 0 | 5.995347349 | 2 |
| 07/06/2012 14:00 | Tough Lady | 0 | 5.467493866 | 2 |
| 07/06/2012 14:40 | Ssafa | 0 | 3.909472299 | 2 |
| 07/06/2012 15:10 | Captivity | 0 | 5.9 | 2 |
| 07/06/2012 15:40 | What About You | 0 | 4.321229594 | 2 |
| 07/06/2012 16:10 | Dear Ben | 0 | 7 | 2 |
| 07/06/2012 16:50 | Ghusoon | 0 | 4.400592768 | 2 |
| 07/06/2012 17:10 | Sandbetweenourtoes | 0 | 4.943987163 | 2 |
| 07/06/2012 19:35 | Sun Tzu | 0 | 5.98034375 | 2 |
| 08/06/2012 13:40 | Summer Isles | 0 | 9 | 2 |
| 08/06/2012 14:10 | Isola Verde | 0 | 7.642428472 | 2 |
| 08/06/2012 15:10 | Come On Dave | 0 | 4.235328351 | 2 |
| 08/06/2012 15:45 | Lucky Numbers | 0 | 5.2 | 2 |
| 08/06/2012 16:20 | Between Us | 0 | 4.2 | 2 |
| 08/06/2012 18:00 | Take Two | 0 | 7.041426821 | 2 |
| 08/06/2012 19:00 | Strong Conviction | 0 | 3.69535415 | 2 |
| 08/06/2012 20:40 | Miss Complex | 0 | 4.2795 | 2 |
| 09/06/2012 15:30 | Troopingthecolour | 0 | 5.6 | 2 |
| 09/06/2012 15:45 | Lord Aeryn | 0 | 6.2 | 2 |
| 09/06/2012 16:50 | Sonko | 0 | 4 | 2 |
| 09/06/2012 17:00 | Ultravox | 0 | 6 | 2 |
| 09/06/2012 17:15 | Northern Executive | 0 | 3.9 | 2 |
| 09/06/2012 18:30 | Botanica | 0 | 5.618230702 | 2 |
| 09/06/2012 19:30 | Silenzio | 0 | 9.2 | 2 |
| 09/06/2012 20:45 | Headline News | 0 | 4.460109192 | 2 |
| 10/06/2012 14:00 | Captain Tidds | 0 | 4.8 | 2 |
| 10/06/2012 14:30 | On The Bridge | 0 | 4.547114908 | 2 |
| 10/06/2012 15:10 | Kai Broon | 0 | 3.93711382 | 2 |
| 11/06/2012 14:15 | Smiling Shark | 0 | 3.1 | 2 |
| 11/06/2012 17:15 | Marcus Antonius | 0 | 4.5 | 2 |
| 11/06/2012 18:10 | Red Refraction | 0 | 5.002305389 | 2 |
| 11/06/2012 21:20 | Master Of Disguise | 0 | 6.240503118 | 2 |
| 12/06/2012 16:20 | Diamond Marks | 0 | 6.4 | 2 |
| 12/06/2012 17:50 | Chjimes | 0 | 6.615782249 | 2 |
| 12/06/2012 18:40 | Bay Central | 0 | 6.811862991 | 2 |
| 12/06/2012 21:00 | Katmai River | 0 | 3.26865565 | 2 |
| 13/06/2012 14:00 | Dotty Darroch | 0 | 4.376637752 | 2 |
| 13/06/2012 14:30 | Sulky Sheila | 0 | 6.594680166 | 2 |
| 13/06/2012 15:40 | Lami Louis | 0 | 6 | 2 |
| 13/06/2012 16:00 | Zaplamation | 0 | 4 | 2 |
| 13/06/2012 17:30 | No Time To Cry | 0 | 6.911243557 | 2 |
| 13/06/2012 19:40 | Tamarrud | 0 | 6.553981417 | 2 |
| 13/06/2012 20:10 | Cardi King | 0 | 7.256875519 | 2 |
| 14/06/2012 14:10 | Palmette | 0 | 8.179077728 | 2 |
| 14/06/2012 14:30 | Les Verguettes | 0 | 4.4 | 2 |
| 14/06/2012 15:05 | Errigal Lad | 0 | 5.284905879 | 2 |
| 14/06/2012 18:50 | Dubara Reef | 0 | 7.172586465 | 2 |
| 14/06/2012 19:10 | Titch Strider | 0 | 6.17105648 | 2 |
| 15/06/2012 14:20 | Chester Aristocrat | 0 | 6 | 2 |
| 15/06/2012 15:15 | Royal Prize | 0 | 3.423791966 | 2 |
| 15/06/2012 20:35 | Riddle Master | 0 | 7.4 | 2 |
| 16/06/2012 14:25 | Farm Pixie | 0 | 3.916183494 | 2 |
| 16/06/2012 14:50 | Prince Of Sorrento | 0 | 6.141624292 | 2 |
| 16/06/2012 15:10 | Top Cop | 0 | 10.062869 | 2 |
| 16/06/2012 16:05 | Saddlers Mot | 0 | 4.610023047 | 2 |
| 16/06/2012 16:35 | Homer Run | 0 | 4 | 2 |
| 16/06/2012 16:50 | Silver Samba | 0 | 9.211210282 | 2 |
| 16/06/2012 18:35 | Tigers Home | 0 | 3.874068758 | 2 |
| 17/06/2012 14:00 | Favorite Girl | 0 | 6.4 | 2 |
| 17/06/2012 15:35 | Paramour | 0 | 8 | 2 |
| 17/06/2012 16:40 | Icy Blue | 0 | 7.153113988 | 2 |
| 18/06/2012 14:45 | Hellbender | 0 | 5 | 2 |
| 18/06/2012 16:00 | Leitrim King | 0 | 6.707382064 | 2 |
| 18/06/2012 16:30 | Ring For Baileys | 0 | 5.940126454 | 2 |
| 18/06/2012 19:40 | Paradise Spectre | 0 | 4.6 | 2 |
| 19/06/2012 15:05 | Wizz Kid | 0 | 5.966485991 | 2 |
| 19/06/2012 16:40 | Horatio Carter | 0 | 6.844380371 | 2 |
| 19/06/2012 19:00 | Bermondsey Bob | 0 | 4.6 | 2 |
| 19/06/2012 19:40 | Absolute Shambles | 0 | 3.578627879 | 2 |
| 19/06/2012 20:40 | Safe Investment | 0 | 4.3 | 2 |
| 20/06/2012 14:30 | Sentaril | 0 | 6.306942956 | 2 |
| 20/06/2012 15:45 | Carlton House | 0 | 5.459914372 | 2 |
| 20/06/2012 18:10 | Hurakan | 0 | 8.437694842 | 2 |
| 20/06/2012 19:40 | Corporal Maddox | 0 | 5.7 | 2 |
| 20/06/2012 20:40 | Alfraamsey | 0 | 5.223139462 | 2 |
| 21/06/2012 14:10 | Medicoe | 0 | 4.113467545 | 2 |
| 21/06/2012 14:45 | Fathsta | 0 | 4.429191457 | 2 |
| 21/06/2012 15:45 | Saddlers Rock | 0 | 6.4 | 2 |
| 21/06/2012 16:25 | Frog Hollow | 0 | 10 | 2 |
| 21/06/2012 18:05 | Roving Lad | 0 | 2.945810934 | 2 |
| 21/06/2012 19:25 | Pairc Na Gcapall | 0 | 6.4 | 2 |
| 21/06/2012 20:20 | Nobunaga | 0 | 3.475673259 | 2 |
| 22/06/2012 14:30 | Agent Allison | 0 | 6.776302379 | 2 |
| 22/06/2012 14:55 | Spanish Fork | 0 | 6.4 | 2 |
| 22/06/2012 16:25 | Qaraaba | 0 | 6 | 2 |
| 22/06/2012 18:25 | Third Half | 0 | 6.8 | 2 |
| 22/06/2012 19:00 | Sharjah | 0 | 5.407855588 | 2 |
| 22/06/2012 19:20 | Santarini | 0 | 5.661422301 | 2 |
| 22/06/2012 20:05 | Paramour | 0 | 7.437210333 | 2 |
| 23/06/2012 15:40 | Bartolomeu | 0 | 4.742459817 | 2 |
| 23/06/2012 19:20 | Cool In The Shade | 0 | 6.919181516 | 2 |
| 23/06/2012 21:20 | Vanilla Rum | 0 | 5.85932378 | 2 |
| 24/06/2012 14:40 | Goldenveil | 0 | 6.2 | 2 |
| 24/06/2012 15:10 | Tamarrud | 0 | 4.7 | 2 |
| 24/06/2012 16:00 | Finbin | 0 | 7.2 | 2 |
| 24/06/2012 16:50 | Kayfton Pete | 0 | 5.3 | 2 |
| 24/06/2012 17:50 | Maizy Missile | 0 | 6.8 | 2 |
| 25/06/2012 14:45 | Kyanight | 0 | 8.162397368 | 2 |
| 25/06/2012 15:15 | Marinus | 0 | 4.6 | 2 |
| 25/06/2012 16:15 | Queen Cassiopeia | 0 | 9 | 2 |
| 25/06/2012 18:20 | Out Of The Blocks | 0 | 8.071173357 | 2 |
| 25/06/2012 21:20 | Lizzie | 0 | 10.13952387 | 2 |
| 26/06/2012 17:00 | Drumpellier | 0 | 6.46572004 | 2 |
| 26/06/2012 21:15 | Sahrati | 0 | 4.302056031 | 2 |
| 27/06/2012 18:20 | Volcanic Jack | 0 | 7.4 | 2 |
| 27/06/2012 19:10 | Cobbs Quay | 0 | 8.182970661 | 2 |
| 27/06/2012 20:20 | Woodland Mill | 0 | 7 | 2 |
| 28/06/2012 14:20 | A Certain Romance | 0 | 3.347026958 | 2 |
| 28/06/2012 14:50 | Yankee Storm | 0 | 8.4 | 2 |
| 28/06/2012 15:30 | Boston Blue | 0 | 6.2 | 2 |
| 28/06/2012 15:50 | Aubrietia | 0 | 5.420780558 | 2 |
| 28/06/2012 17:20 | Cellist | 0 | 4.688202308 | 2 |
| 28/06/2012 20:50 | Northern Bolt | 0 | 3.128083641 | 2 |
| 28/06/2012 21:50 | Botham | 0 | 5.783672571 | 2 |
| 29/06/2012 14:30 | Art Form | 0 | 3.781703566 | 2 |
| 29/06/2012 15:20 | Aye Aye Digby | 0 | 3.8 | 2 |
| 29/06/2012 16:30 | Hidden Valley | 0 | 5.770920379 | 2 |
| 29/06/2012 17:30 | Jupiter Fidius | 0 | 4.587653674 | 2 |
| 29/06/2012 18:50 | Chester Aristocrat | 0 | 6.144622095 | 2 |
| 29/06/2012 21:10 | Showboating | 0 | 5.082062706 | 2 |
| 30/06/2012 14:25 | Bold Prediction | 0 | 5.384936294 | 2 |
| 30/06/2012 14:40 | Gabrial The Hero | 0 | 6.326476176 | 2 |
| 30/06/2012 15:45 | Red Art | 0 | 6.310871524 | 2 |
| 30/06/2012 16:50 | Reflect | 0 | 3.318751318 | 2 |
| 30/06/2012 17:05 | Sirvino | 0 | 6.4 | 2 |
| 30/06/2012 18:20 | Royal Aspiration | 0 | 2.9 | 2 |
| Failed Lays | Jun-12 | 3rd favs | BSP | Market Rank |
| Event Time | Selection | W(1)L(0) | ||
| 01/06/2012 13:30 | Chelwood Gate | 1 | 10.4025536 | 3 |
| 01/06/2012 19:00 | Dark Dune | 1 | 4.90010762 | 3 |
| 04/06/2012 17:10 | Clowance House | 1 | 7.809760028 | 3 |
| 04/06/2012 17:15 | Oratory | 1 | 6.830894822 | 3 |
| 05/06/2012 17:25 | Silvanus | 1 | 8.6 | 3 |
| 09/06/2012 14:00 | Reyamour | 1 | 6 | 3 |
| 09/06/2012 20:15 | Cosmic Moon | 1 | 8.244908023 | 3 |
| 12/06/2012 15:30 | Cool Rhythm | 1 | 6.2 | 3 |
| 14/06/2012 17:45 | Ela Gonda Mou | 1 | 7.995286556 | 3 |
| 15/06/2012 20:55 | Our Folly | 1 | 6.2 | 3 |
| 15/06/2012 21:05 | Muaamara | 1 | 4.8 | 3 |
| 16/06/2012 17:00 | Rule Book | 1 | 6.11670941 | 3 |
| 20/06/2012 18:50 | Another Citizen | 1 | 5.5 | 3 |
| 20/06/2012 19:10 | Counsel | 1 | 7.541154204 | 3 |
| 23/06/2012 14:55 | Ardmay | 1 | 11 | 3 |
| 23/06/2012 16:40 | Show Flower | 1 | 6.6 | 3 |
| 25/06/2012 18:50 | Nay Secret | 1 | 7.2 | 3 |
| 30/06/2012 14:45 | Fast Shot | 1 | 10.33330014 | 3 |
| Successful Lays | Jun-12 | 3rd favs | BSP | Market Rank |
| Event Time | Selection | W(1)L(0) | ||
| 01/06/2012 13:40 | Joviality | 0 | 6.881080501 | 3 |
| 01/06/2012 14:15 | Resurge | 0 | 8.801561128 | 3 |
| 01/06/2012 16:45 | Ansells Pride | 0 | 6.094910492 | 3 |
| 01/06/2012 17:35 | Diamond Blue | 0 | 8.055312043 | 3 |
| 01/06/2012 19:15 | Coombe Hill | 0 | 11.72236159 | 3 |
| 02/06/2012 13:40 | Noble Alan | 0 | 7.8 | 3 |
| 02/06/2012 14:15 | New Lease Of Life | 0 | 5.095386957 | 3 |
| 02/06/2012 14:30 | Tribal Myth | 0 | 12.03037819 | 3 |
| 02/06/2012 16:40 | Intense Pink | 0 | 8.033602848 | 3 |
| 02/06/2012 18:10 | Mawjoodah | 0 | 7.2 | 3 |
| 02/06/2012 21:20 | Front Rank | 0 | 7.426050478 | 3 |
| 04/06/2012 14:05 | Cordillera | 0 | 4.773347555 | 3 |
| 04/06/2012 15:05 | Wreaths Of Empire | 0 | 4.8 | 3 |
| 04/06/2012 17:00 | Wiltshire Life | 0 | 8.6 | 3 |
| 04/06/2012 17:20 | Port Hill | 0 | 7.311282514 | 3 |
| 05/06/2012 14:05 | Poetic Princess | 0 | 6.492419135 | 3 |
| 05/06/2012 15:45 | The Nifty Fox | 0 | 8.6 | 3 |
| 05/06/2012 16:00 | Wildomar | 0 | 7.2 | 3 |
| 05/06/2012 16:55 | Neige Dantan | 0 | 7.757717306 | 3 |
| 05/06/2012 17:35 | Moody Dancer | 0 | 9.211127623 | 3 |
| 06/06/2012 17:10 | Romney Marsh | 0 | 6.654991104 | 3 |
| 06/06/2012 17:40 | Madame Papillon | 0 | 9.700491444 | 3 |
| 06/06/2012 19:10 | Decadence | 0 | 8.589209726 | 3 |
| 07/06/2012 15:00 | Weetentherty | 0 | 10.5 | 3 |
| 07/06/2012 18:05 | Landenstown Star | 0 | 9.282378648 | 3 |
| 07/06/2012 18:35 | Go Ruby Go | 0 | 10 | 3 |
| 07/06/2012 19:45 | Paddy The Hare | 0 | 4.491174707 | 3 |
| 07/06/2012 20:15 | Kingdom Of Munster | 0 | 4.453180169 | 3 |
| 07/06/2012 21:00 | O Ma Lad | 0 | 6.8 | 3 |
| 08/06/2012 14:35 | Veloso | 0 | 4.3 | 3 |
| 08/06/2012 15:55 | Mubtadi | 0 | 10.33715917 | 3 |
| 08/06/2012 16:30 | Samba King | 0 | 9.250318714 | 3 |
| 08/06/2012 17:30 | Baltis Sister | 0 | 8 | 3 |
| 08/06/2012 18:30 | Resplendent Light | 0 | 10 | 3 |
| 08/06/2012 19:45 | Silvery Moon | 0 | 8.559629934 | 3 |
| 08/06/2012 21:20 | Arley Hall | 0 | 5.037984951 | 3 |
| 09/06/2012 14:05 | Warfare | 0 | 10.92910166 | 3 |
| 09/06/2012 14:20 | Chil The Kite | 0 | 9.2 | 3 |
| 09/06/2012 15:40 | Our Diane | 0 | 6.09927596 | 3 |
| 09/06/2012 16:20 | Kingsdesire | 0 | 7.666760052 | 3 |
| 09/06/2012 18:15 | Beautiful Day | 0 | 6.990325194 | 3 |
| 09/06/2012 19:45 | Tigerino | 0 | 8.963666835 | 3 |
| 09/06/2012 20:30 | Marine Girl | 0 | 8.150017097 | 3 |
| 10/06/2012 15:30 | The Disengager | 0 | 5 | 3 |
| 11/06/2012 14:30 | Timocracy | 0 | 7 | 3 |
| 12/06/2012 14:30 | Red Adair | 0 | 4.8 | 3 |
| 12/06/2012 15:50 | Corporal Maddox | 0 | 8.2 | 3 |
| 12/06/2012 17:20 | Patavium Prince | 0 | 6.2 | 3 |
| 13/06/2012 16:10 | Citybell | 0 | 9.370055511 | 3 |
| 13/06/2012 16:50 | Euston Square | 0 | 5.5 | 3 |
| 13/06/2012 20:50 | Free Art | 0 | 6.8 | 3 |
| 13/06/2012 21:20 | Fairy Mist | 0 | 6.396191989 | 3 |
| 14/06/2012 14:40 | Sangrail | 0 | 8.227136924 | 3 |
| 14/06/2012 16:30 | More Than Words | 0 | 8.297823452 | 3 |
| 14/06/2012 18:00 | Midnight Sequel | 0 | 11.02344411 | 3 |
| 14/06/2012 18:30 | Dot Or Feather | 0 | 5.7 | 3 |
| 14/06/2012 19:00 | Cabora | 0 | 7.478745981 | 3 |
| 14/06/2012 21:00 | Nice n Sleazy | 0 | 11.5 | 3 |
| 15/06/2012 13:50 | Confidential Creek | 0 | 7.2 | 3 |
| 15/06/2012 15:25 | Sandwith | 0 | 5.537828659 | 3 |
| 15/06/2012 16:30 | Bay Of Fires | 0 | 7 | 3 |
| 15/06/2012 21:20 | Lord Usher | 0 | 15.5 | 3 |
| 16/06/2012 14:35 | Halfsin | 0 | 8.525610627 | 3 |
| 16/06/2012 16:15 | Musnad | 0 | 12.21610395 | 3 |
| 16/06/2012 16:45 | Marhaba Malayeen | 0 | 8.189339502 | 3 |
| 16/06/2012 17:05 | Man Of Principles | 0 | 5 | 3 |
| 16/06/2012 20:05 | Polar Auroras | 0 | 8.940599196 | 3 |
| 18/06/2012 15:15 | Insolenceofoffice | 0 | 7.2 | 3 |
| 18/06/2012 16:15 | Abundantly | 0 | 4.809167927 | 3 |
| 18/06/2012 18:10 | Lady Of Burgundy | 0 | 9.907726729 | 3 |
| 19/06/2012 15:45 | Hermival | 0 | 10.5 | 3 |
| 19/06/2012 17:00 | Dark Ranger | 0 | 9.790396387 | 3 |
| 19/06/2012 18:00 | Colourbearer | 0 | 7.29698846 | 3 |
| 19/06/2012 18:40 | Millenarys Lady | 0 | 7.538343831 | 3 |
| 19/06/2012 19:30 | Trusting | 0 | 8.6 | 3 |
| 20/06/2012 15:30 | Saslong | 0 | 8.552818491 | 3 |
| 20/06/2012 17:55 | Lady Gargoyle | 0 | 5.649153043 | 3 |
| 20/06/2012 19:20 | Hellolini | 0 | 10.5 | 3 |
| 21/06/2012 19:15 | Gentleman Jeff | 0 | 5.841045754 | 3 |
| 21/06/2012 20:50 | Le Grand Chene | 0 | 8.762704422 | 3 |
| 21/06/2012 21:20 | Whatshallwedo | 0 | 5.77215703 | 3 |
| 22/06/2012 15:20 | Free Art | 0 | 7.2 | 3 |
| 22/06/2012 15:45 | Samitar | 0 | 6.2 | 3 |
| 22/06/2012 17:55 | Phar Away Island | 0 | 7.520739422 | 3 |
| 22/06/2012 19:55 | Life And Soul | 0 | 8.4 | 3 |
| 22/06/2012 20:50 | Green Park | 0 | 7.6 | 3 |
| 23/06/2012 14:40 | Expose | 0 | 6.2 | 3 |
| 23/06/2012 15:05 | Dunaden | 0 | 5.850358447 | 3 |
| 23/06/2012 16:15 | Tropical Song | 0 | 7.309424414 | 3 |
| 23/06/2012 16:50 | Moodhill | 0 | 5.119220612 | 3 |
| 23/06/2012 17:15 | Oneofapear | 0 | 8.8 | 3 |
| 23/06/2012 19:35 | River Pageant | 0 | 10.27979409 | 3 |
| 23/06/2012 20:50 | Postscript | 0 | 5.2 | 3 |
| 24/06/2012 14:10 | Tussie Mussie | 0 | 9.447014798 | 3 |
| 25/06/2012 19:10 | Heyward Girl | 0 | 5.523350368 | 3 |
| 25/06/2012 19:50 | Defence Council | 0 | 8.315932552 | 3 |
| 26/06/2012 14:45 | Petite Georgia | 0 | 7 | 3 |
| 26/06/2012 15:45 | Colourbearer | 0 | 4.676054856 | 3 |
| 26/06/2012 16:30 | Revelette | 0 | 5.163096136 | 3 |
| 26/06/2012 19:25 | Califante | 0 | 4.4 | 3 |
| 26/06/2012 20:35 | Shestheman | 0 | 6.801186283 | 3 |
| 27/06/2012 14:10 | Beggars Velvet | 0 | 7.356544954 | 3 |
| 27/06/2012 14:50 | Ashaadd | 0 | 8.4 | 3 |
| 27/06/2012 15:10 | Chosen Milan | 0 | 7.600475925 | 3 |
| 27/06/2012 17:05 | Pitkin | 0 | 7.927472211 | 3 |
| 28/06/2012 15:10 | Cardinal | 0 | 5.940892344 | 3 |
| 28/06/2012 16:20 | First Class | 0 | 6.442586276 | 3 |
| 28/06/2012 17:50 | Young Jackie | 0 | 7.162849526 | 3 |
| 28/06/2012 19:50 | Outback | 0 | 4.339028866 | 3 |
| 29/06/2012 17:55 | Patriotic | 0 | 8.788246496 | 3 |
| 29/06/2012 19:25 | El Torbellino | 0 | 5.695411295 | 3 |
| 30/06/2012 14:55 | Deepest Blue | 0 | 7.8 | 3 |
| 30/06/2012 16:05 | Quintilian | 0 | 7.4 | 3 |
| 30/06/2012 16:35 | Lutine Bell | 0 | 9.574216781 | 3 |
| 30/06/2012 19:25 | Miss Cap Estel | 0 | 7.633805753 | 3 |
| Failed Lays | Jun-12 | 4th favs | BSP | Market Rank |
| Event Time | Selection | W(1)L(0) | ||
| 02/06/2012 15:40 | Slade Power | 1 | 7.388763353 | 4 |
| 04/06/2012 17:30 | Cuban Piece | 1 | 6.903683928 | 4 |
| 05/06/2012 15:00 | Wait No More | 1 | 8.165661681 | 4 |
| 20/06/2012 19:50 | Brockfield | 1 | 9.2 | 4 |
| 23/06/2012 13:55 | Bosun Breese | 1 | 7.898857393 | 4 |
| 23/06/2012 14:05 | Campanology | 1 | 9.522140634 | 4 |
| Successful Lays | Jun-12 | 4th favs | BSP | Market Rank |
| Event Time | Selection | W(1)L(0) | ||
| 01/06/2012 13:40 | Joviality | 0 | 6.881080501 | 4 |
| 01/06/2012 14:15 | Resurge | 0 | 8.801561128 | 4 |
| 01/06/2012 16:45 | Ansells Pride | 0 | 6.094910492 | 4 |
| 01/06/2012 17:35 | Diamond Blue | 0 | 8.055312043 | 4 |
| 01/06/2012 19:15 | Coombe Hill | 0 | 11.72236159 | 4 |
| 02/06/2012 13:40 | Noble Alan | 0 | 7.8 | 4 |
| 02/06/2012 14:15 | New Lease Of Life | 0 | 5.095386957 | 4 |
| 02/06/2012 14:30 | Tribal Myth | 0 | 12.03037819 | 4 |
| 02/06/2012 16:40 | Intense Pink | 0 | 8.033602848 | 4 |
| 02/06/2012 18:10 | Mawjoodah | 0 | 7.2 | 4 |
| 02/06/2012 21:20 | Front Rank | 0 | 7.426050478 | 4 |
| 04/06/2012 14:05 | Cordillera | 0 | 4.773347555 | 4 |
| 04/06/2012 15:05 | Wreaths Of Empire | 0 | 4.8 | 4 |
| 04/06/2012 17:00 | Wiltshire Life | 0 | 8.6 | 4 |
| 04/06/2012 17:20 | Port Hill | 0 | 7.311282514 | 4 |
| 05/06/2012 14:05 | Poetic Princess | 0 | 6.492419135 | 4 |
| 05/06/2012 15:45 | The Nifty Fox | 0 | 8.6 | 4 |
| 05/06/2012 16:00 | Wildomar | 0 | 7.2 | 4 |
| 05/06/2012 16:55 | Neige Dantan | 0 | 7.757717306 | 4 |
| 05/06/2012 17:35 | Moody Dancer | 0 | 9.211127623 | 4 |
| 06/06/2012 17:10 | Romney Marsh | 0 | 6.654991104 | 4 |
| 06/06/2012 17:40 | Madame Papillon | 0 | 9.700491444 | 4 |
| 06/06/2012 19:10 | Decadence | 0 | 8.589209726 | 4 |
| 07/06/2012 15:00 | Weetentherty | 0 | 10.5 | 4 |
| 07/06/2012 18:05 | Landenstown Star | 0 | 9.282378648 | 4 |
| 07/06/2012 18:35 | Go Ruby Go | 0 | 10 | 4 |
| 07/06/2012 19:45 | Paddy The Hare | 0 | 4.491174707 | 4 |
| 07/06/2012 20:15 | Kingdom Of Munster | 0 | 4.453180169 | 4 |
| 07/06/2012 21:00 | O Ma Lad | 0 | 6.8 | 4 |
| 08/06/2012 14:35 | Veloso | 0 | 4.3 | 4 |
| 08/06/2012 15:55 | Mubtadi | 0 | 10.33715917 | 4 |
| 08/06/2012 16:30 | Samba King | 0 | 9.250318714 | 4 |
| 08/06/2012 17:30 | Baltis Sister | 0 | 8 | 4 |
| 08/06/2012 18:30 | Resplendent Light | 0 | 10 | 4 |
| 08/06/2012 19:45 | Silvery Moon | 0 | 8.559629934 | 4 |
| 08/06/2012 21:20 | Arley Hall | 0 | 5.037984951 | 4 |
| 09/06/2012 14:05 | Warfare | 0 | 10.92910166 | 4 |
| 09/06/2012 14:20 | Chil The Kite | 0 | 9.2 | 4 |
| 09/06/2012 15:40 | Our Diane | 0 | 6.09927596 | 4 |
| 09/06/2012 16:20 | Kingsdesire | 0 | 7.666760052 | 4 |
| 09/06/2012 18:15 | Beautiful Day | 0 | 6.990325194 | 4 |
| 09/06/2012 19:45 | Tigerino | 0 | 8.963666835 | 4 |
| 09/06/2012 20:30 | Marine Girl | 0 | 8.150017097 | 4 |
| 10/06/2012 15:30 | The Disengager | 0 | 5 | 4 |
| 11/06/2012 14:30 | Timocracy | 0 | 7 | 4 |
| 12/06/2012 14:30 | Red Adair | 0 | 4.8 | 4 |
| 12/06/2012 15:50 | Corporal Maddox | 0 | 8.2 | 4 |
| 12/06/2012 17:20 | Patavium Prince | 0 | 6.2 | 4 |
| 13/06/2012 16:10 | Citybell | 0 | 9.370055511 | 4 |
| 13/06/2012 16:50 | Euston Square | 0 | 5.5 | 4 |
| 13/06/2012 20:50 | Free Art | 0 | 6.8 | 4 |
| 13/06/2012 21:20 | Fairy Mist | 0 | 6.396191989 | 4 |
| 14/06/2012 14:40 | Sangrail | 0 | 8.227136924 | 4 |
| 14/06/2012 16:30 | More Than Words | 0 | 8.297823452 | 4 |
| 14/06/2012 18:00 | Midnight Sequel | 0 | 11.02344411 | 4 |
| 14/06/2012 18:30 | Dot Or Feather | 0 | 5.7 | 4 |
| 14/06/2012 19:00 | Cabora | 0 | 7.478745981 | 4 |
| 14/06/2012 21:00 | Nice n Sleazy | 0 | 11.5 | 4 |
| 15/06/2012 13:50 | Confidential Creek | 0 | 7.2 | 4 |
| 15/06/2012 15:25 | Sandwith | 0 | 5.537828659 | 4 |
| 15/06/2012 16:30 | Bay Of Fires | 0 | 7 | 4 |
| 15/06/2012 21:20 | Lord Usher | 0 | 15.5 | 4 |
| 16/06/2012 14:35 | Halfsin | 0 | 8.525610627 | 4 |
| 16/06/2012 16:15 | Musnad | 0 | 12.21610395 | 4 |
| 16/06/2012 16:45 | Marhaba Malayeen | 0 | 8.189339502 | 4 |
| 16/06/2012 17:05 | Man Of Principles | 0 | 5 | 4 |
| 16/06/2012 20:05 | Polar Auroras | 0 | 8.940599196 | 4 |
| 18/06/2012 15:15 | Insolenceofoffice | 0 | 7.2 | 4 |
| 18/06/2012 16:15 | Abundantly | 0 | 4.809167927 | 4 |
| 18/06/2012 18:10 | Lady Of Burgundy | 0 | 9.907726729 | 4 |
| 19/06/2012 15:45 | Hermival | 0 | 10.5 | 4 |
| 19/06/2012 17:00 | Dark Ranger | 0 | 9.790396387 | 4 |
| 19/06/2012 18:00 | Colourbearer | 0 | 7.29698846 | 4 |
| 19/06/2012 18:40 | Millenarys Lady | 0 | 7.538343831 | 4 |
| 19/06/2012 19:30 | Trusting | 0 | 8.6 | 4 |
| 20/06/2012 15:30 | Saslong | 0 | 8.552818491 | 4 |
| 20/06/2012 17:55 | Lady Gargoyle | 0 | 5.649153043 | 4 |
| 20/06/2012 19:20 | Hellolini | 0 | 10.5 | 4 |
| 21/06/2012 19:15 | Gentleman Jeff | 0 | 5.841045754 | 4 |
| 21/06/2012 20:50 | Le Grand Chene | 0 | 8.762704422 | 4 |
| 21/06/2012 21:20 | Whatshallwedo | 0 | 5.77215703 | 4 |
| 22/06/2012 15:20 | Free Art | 0 | 7.2 | 4 |
| 22/06/2012 15:45 | Samitar | 0 | 6.2 | 4 |
| 22/06/2012 17:55 | Phar Away Island | 0 | 7.520739422 | 4 |
| 22/06/2012 19:55 | Life And Soul | 0 | 8.4 | 4 |
| 22/06/2012 20:50 | Green Park | 0 | 7.6 | 4 |
| 23/06/2012 14:40 | Expose | 0 | 6.2 | 4 |
| 23/06/2012 15:05 | Dunaden | 0 | 5.850358447 | 4 |
| 23/06/2012 16:15 | Tropical Song | 0 | 7.309424414 | 4 |
| 23/06/2012 16:50 | Moodhill | 0 | 5.119220612 | 4 |
| 23/06/2012 17:15 | Oneofapear | 0 | 8.8 | 4 |
| 23/06/2012 19:35 | River Pageant | 0 | 10.27979409 | 4 |
| 23/06/2012 20:50 | Postscript | 0 | 5.2 | 4 |
| 24/06/2012 14:10 | Tussie Mussie | 0 | 9.447014798 | 4 |
| 25/06/2012 19:10 | Heyward Girl | 0 | 5.523350368 | 4 |
| 25/06/2012 19:50 | Defence Council | 0 | 8.315932552 | 4 |
| 26/06/2012 14:45 | Petite Georgia | 0 | 7 | 4 |
| 26/06/2012 15:45 | Colourbearer | 0 | 4.676054856 | 4 |
| 26/06/2012 16:30 | Revelette | 0 | 5.163096136 | 4 |
| 26/06/2012 19:25 | Califante | 0 | 4.4 | 4 |
| 26/06/2012 20:35 | Shestheman | 0 | 6.801186283 | 4 |
| 27/06/2012 14:10 | Beggars Velvet | 0 | 7.356544954 | 4 |
| 27/06/2012 14:50 | Ashaadd | 0 | 8.4 | 4 |
| 27/06/2012 15:10 | Chosen Milan | 0 | 7.600475925 | 4 |
| 27/06/2012 17:05 | Pitkin | 0 | 7.927472211 | 4 |
| 28/06/2012 15:10 | Cardinal | 0 | 5.940892344 | 4 |
| 28/06/2012 16:20 | First Class | 0 | 6.442586276 | 4 |
| 28/06/2012 17:50 | Young Jackie | 0 | 7.162849526 | 4 |
| 28/06/2012 19:50 | Outback | 0 | 4.339028866 | 4 |
| 29/06/2012 17:55 | Patriotic | 0 | 8.788246496 | 4 |
| 29/06/2012 19:25 | El Torbellino | 0 | 5.695411295 | 4 |
| 30/06/2012 14:55 | Deepest Blue | 0 | 7.8 | 4 |
| 30/06/2012 16:05 | Quintilian | 0 | 7.4 | 4 |
| 30/06/2012 16:35 | Lutine Bell | 0 | 9.574216781 | 4 |
| 30/06/2012 19:25 | Miss Cap Estel | 0 | 7.633805753 | 4 |
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the system was to lay every 2nd,3rd,4th fav in next race after one had won.
completely bonkers
completely bonkers
he claimed it was in profit for 3 years i think.
i'll happily run this for the next 3 years as its very easy to update now the sheets are set up.
i'll happily run this for the next 3 years as its very easy to update now the sheets are set up.
very good bait
if i know i'm right, i'll stand my ground though and his tone was utterly pathetic when i questioned the validity of such a system, instead of giving a theoretical perspective of why this would/should ever work he resorted to childish put downs.
the guy knows nothing about me and based on what i've seen of his logic i don't really car to engage with him in future.
just wanted to prove a point and that i am not clueless
if i know i'm right, i'll stand my ground though and his tone was utterly pathetic when i questioned the validity of such a system, instead of giving a theoretical perspective of why this would/should ever work he resorted to childish put downs.
the guy knows nothing about me and based on what i've seen of his logic i don't really car to engage with him in future.
just wanted to prove a point and that i am not clueless
stridingedge I might PM you with a question / request if that's OK 
ok i'm busy for next hour or so though
will reply for tomorrow
will reply for tomorrow
Excellent stuff Striding, lot of work, I wouldn't get to wound about some
of the posters on here, a lot of megalomaniacs, dreamers and guessers.
I remember red hiney, claiming he was 300 pts ahead in running using just
ATR pics, anything posted after that, I just ignored. As regards systems
none of them work, total cr-p
of the posters on here, a lot of megalomaniacs, dreamers and guessers.
I remember red hiney, claiming he was 300 pts ahead in running using just
ATR pics, anything posted after that, I just ignored. As regards systems
none of them work, total cr-p
i usually use classic but will have a look if you message.
stridingedge message sent ... no rush just interested iyo
You absolute clown.
Your data is complete bullcrap because my data says otherwise.
PM me your email address and I will send you my file. Proof it DOES work. So stopd muddying my work.
Greedkillsmybankagain has already seen my information, as requested, and will corroborate my information.
As for motley, you are a no hoper. You carry on thinking what you like. I am the one earning £50k per annum betting for a living doing what I do.
Unlucky for you.
Your data is complete bullcrap because my data says otherwise.
PM me your email address and I will send you my file. Proof it DOES work. So stopd muddying my work.
Greedkillsmybankagain has already seen my information, as requested, and will corroborate my information.
As for motley, you are a no hoper. You carry on thinking what you like. I am the one earning £50k per annum betting for a living doing what I do.
Unlucky for you.
lol why would i want your data
if you get results to work you are doing it wrong
you can test my data and i'll post every result.
just pick 30 races from anywhere if i post the entire 2 years and go and see if the data holds up.
yoour response was a 1.01 btw.
if you get results to work you are doing it wrong
you can test my data and i'll post every result.
just pick 30 races from anywhere if i post the entire 2 years and go and see if the data holds up.
yoour response was a 1.01 btw.
i will keep this thread alive and post results every week so the forum can judge.
obviously you can test as many results as you want
30 from anywhere in the sample if i post the lot would soon confirm my data has 100% integrity.
30 from anywhere in the sample if i post the lot would soon confirm my data has 100% integrity.
your system with the rules you said
has not worked for 2 years and will never show long term profits
has not worked for 2 years and will never show long term profits
Exactly. You dont want to see the truth. The REAL data.
Maybe, just maybe, YOU are the one eho is doing it wrong?
Maybe, just maybe, YOU are the one eho is doing it wrong?
would you just test some of the results
when it says failed lay look at the market rank go to results and previous race and you will see the same rank won the race.
when it says success look at previous race in results and you will see the selection was same rank but lost
when it says failed lay look at the market rank go to results and previous race and you will see the same rank won the race.
when it says success look at previous race in results and you will see the selection was same rank but lost
of course i'll test for the period you have data
but i'd want the data and results as concise as i have posted so they can be tested easily.
but i'd want the data and results as concise as i have posted so they can be tested easily.
you should just quit while you're behind
you were a condescending tw*t the other day and this system will never yield long term profits.
the betfair market is near perfect and you think you can base a ludicrous system (where you don't even know why it would work or won't say anyway!) where you think for some reason past result affects the next one.
beyond stupidity
you were a condescending tw*t the other day and this system will never yield long term profits.
the betfair market is near perfect and you think you can base a ludicrous system (where you don't even know why it would work or won't say anyway!) where you think for some reason past result affects the next one.
beyond stupidity
get down the casino i hear there's been a run of 5 reds
the next one can't be red again surely
the next one can't be red again surely
Unbelievable, there really is one born EVERY day.
I afraid we're just going to have to agree to disagree here.
I do this for a living. You dont. There lies the proof imo
I afraid we're just going to have to agree to disagree here.
I do this for a living. You dont. There lies the proof imo
do you want me to post the entire 2 years of data
every selection listed
you can then go and check the integrity of my data.
every selection listed
you can then go and check the integrity of my data.
you certainly don't make a living on here with systems like this.
you have no idea of my living i don't need to brag what i do.when idiots like you give it the big i am, i'm fully prepared to take them to task.
you have no idea of my living i don't need to brag what i do.when idiots like you give it the big i am, i'm fully prepared to take them to task.
i will post my entire results in the next few days
giving you the opportunity to TEST my data. i have run every test on it and it is fully credible.
if you don't take up my offer you haven't got a leg to stand on.
giving you the opportunity to TEST my data. i have run every test on it and it is fully credible.
if you don't take up my offer you haven't got a leg to stand on.
go and look at any selection from successful or failed lays and look up the previous race that day and you'll see what's what.
I tend to divide people into two groups, those who live by what
they know to be a lie. And those who live by what they falsely believe
to be the truth. Which one are you RHM. eh.
they know to be a lie. And those who live by what they falsely believe
to be the truth. Which one are you RHM. eh.
LOL listen to you ffs, like some crusader hell bent on prooving someone wrong, What makes it even more hillarious is that I have already stated I DONT EVEN USE THIS SYSTEM!!! It was merely used as an example of something that will make MORE PROFIT than what the OP was doing by LAYING EVERY FAVOURITE.
I have already told you, I am agreeing to disagree, I have my data you have yours, It has been corroborated by another forum user who I do not know personally.
I do this for a living, I work with analysis 7 days a week and I make very good tax free profits using it. You, my crusading enemy, will never ever know the key to making a profit from gambling, especially with a sceptical attitude like the one you are portraying.
You can carry on this pathetic nonsense all you like, I am tired of this utter b0llux and I bid you farewell. What a severe waste of human time.
I have already told you, I am agreeing to disagree, I have my data you have yours, It has been corroborated by another forum user who I do not know personally.
I do this for a living, I work with analysis 7 days a week and I make very good tax free profits using it. You, my crusading enemy, will never ever know the key to making a profit from gambling, especially with a sceptical attitude like the one you are portraying.
You can carry on this pathetic nonsense all you like, I am tired of this utter b0llux and I bid you farewell. What a severe waste of human time.
Stridingedge, admire you for exposing this looper, if you remember when this first arose in someone elses thread, according to RHM we were all beneath him in intelligence and that the majority of Betfair users were jobless oafs or words to that effect, yet this so called member of the intelligencia, still cannot see the facts put before him, also if I remember rightly, when first challenged by your goodself, filters and other adjustment factors were hurriedly introduced by RHM. If something occurs more than once in succession, our friend believes he has hit the jackpot, without seeing it's certainty to fail long term.
Motley, based on your previous posts and the content of them, your credibility within this forum is as low as it can get. So I would think before you speak any more. hth
run off with tail between legs
you said it made profit for 3 successive years and you have been found out, i proved you wrong and you can't even accept it when i am offering all the data WHICH YOU CAN TEST and you still won't have it.
i am fully confident i wouldn't swap anything with you, on this whole matter you have proved to be a complete tool. i usually let the bullsh1t go on here wioth those living on fantasy island. you just happened to champion a system i knew was completely ridiculous before even testing it!
i only chased this up because you called me clueless over something i obviously know a lot more about than you.
JOB DONE
anyone who's followed this saga, i'm sure will make their own minds up.
you said it made profit for 3 successive years and you have been found out, i proved you wrong and you can't even accept it when i am offering all the data WHICH YOU CAN TEST and you still won't have it.
i am fully confident i wouldn't swap anything with you, on this whole matter you have proved to be a complete tool. i usually let the bullsh1t go on here wioth those living on fantasy island. you just happened to champion a system i knew was completely ridiculous before even testing it!
i only chased this up because you called me clueless over something i obviously know a lot more about than you.
JOB DONE
anyone who's followed this saga, i'm sure will make their own minds up.
Stitched him up like a kipper Striding, like a kipper.
RHM would you care to give me an example, where my post displayed
a lack of credibility, you're just a bull-shitr. You couldn't read a race
to save your life, and the fact the you claim to use systems to make a living
is complete horse sh-t too. I'm finished with this thread. GL
RHM would you care to give me an example, where my post displayed
a lack of credibility, you're just a bull-shitr. You couldn't read a race
to save your life, and the fact the you claim to use systems to make a living
is complete horse sh-t too. I'm finished with this thread. GL
i can post the full sheets (thought they might be a bit wide but they should fit) these will have the lay prices and summation of all the successes and failures each month and these will show to tally with the p&l's at the top.
i only posted july 2012 as a test sample to show how easy the format is.
it wasn't a walk in the park manipulating the raw data but the sheets i have now have full integrity and are very easy to see what's going on month by month.
i only posted july 2012 as a test sample to show how easy the format is.
it wasn't a walk in the park manipulating the raw data but the sheets i have now have full integrity and are very easy to see what's going on month by month.
i admire you for putting in some time to look at the system, but as i said to you the other day i think with rhm you will be banging your head against a wall, i've never seen him back down whether he's been right or wrong
if he's sending you the data that he has then you should at least compare it to yours before you unload on him to be fair, it might show some variation from what you have or throw up another filter that he's using
if he's sending you the data that he has then you should at least compare it to yours before you unload on him to be fair, it might show some variation from what you have or throw up another filter that he's using
elise i'm sorry but whether he is the type to back down or not is of no relevance.
i have said that i will test any data he puts up and have offered to post the entire 2 years of results i have.
the fact is i know this system will not work, its basic principles of maths and statistical distribution in a near perfect market.
i have said that i will test any data he puts up and have offered to post the entire 2 years of results i have.
the fact is i know this system will not work, its basic principles of maths and statistical distribution in a near perfect market.
i've done what i wanted if he wants to offer me his data i will gladly test it.
the fact is anyone can test mine and i stand by it 100%
the fact is anyone can test mine and i stand by it 100%
it wasn't meant to be relevent in the sense of whether the system will work etc, it was more to the effect that you'd probably not get him to agree with you
as for there being other filters
there were plenty of opportunities last week to make me aware of these, i had to drag the system out piece by piece as it were.
if the principle remains SP based and trying to gain an advantage in the future based on previous results this will not work.
there were plenty of opportunities last week to make me aware of these, i had to drag the system out piece by piece as it were.
if the principle remains SP based and trying to gain an advantage in the future based on previous results this will not work.
i didn't expect an agreement, i just wanted to prove that i could test his theory and rubbish it.
if he wants to pursue it i am more than happy to keep running the data month by month.
if he lets it go i'm happy i've proved a point, not letting anyone talk down to me when they are talking complete rubbish.
anyway good night.
if he wants to pursue it i am more than happy to keep running the data month by month.
if he lets it go i'm happy i've proved a point, not letting anyone talk down to me when they are talking complete rubbish.
anyway good night.
all the care i have taken with the integrity of my data then when i have to copy and paste snippets of sheets i go and paste the same thing twice,only just noticed.
4th fav successful lays for june should have been as follows, i posted the 3rd favs twice earlier by mistake. if i post in future will not split individual sheets up so this copy and paste error can't occur again.
thought i better correct it, won't be around till monday.
4th fav successful lays for june should have been as follows, i posted the 3rd favs twice earlier by mistake. if i post in future will not split individual sheets up so this copy and paste error can't occur again.
thought i better correct it, won't be around till monday.
| Successful Lays | Jun-12 | 4th favs | BSP | Market Rank |
| Event Time | Selection | W(1)L(0) | ||
| 01/06/2012 13:50 | The Jailer | 0 | 12.10531093 | 4 |
| 01/06/2012 16:50 | Lady Gorgeous | 0 | 7.500356811 | 4 |
| 01/06/2012 18:30 | Seldom | 0 | 9.600947456 | 4 |
| 01/06/2012 19:50 | Mohi Rahrere | 0 | 9 | 4 |
| 02/06/2012 16:00 | Main Sequence | 0 | 13.536709 | 4 |
| 02/06/2012 20:05 | Native Breeze | 0 | 12.77941527 | 4 |
| 03/06/2012 16:30 | Aines Delight | 0 | 8.254811581 | 4 |
| 03/06/2012 16:50 | Dalkova | 0 | 14.5 | 4 |
| 03/06/2012 17:30 | Whats For Tea | 0 | 8 | 4 |
| 04/06/2012 14:15 | Annie Gogh | 0 | 7.114270345 | 4 |
| 04/06/2012 14:30 | Hot Sugar | 0 | 8.053944221 | 4 |
| 04/06/2012 14:55 | Julier Pass | 0 | 7.8 | 4 |
| 04/06/2012 15:15 | Emperor Vespasian | 0 | 8.755135892 | 4 |
| 04/06/2012 17:35 | Beachwood Bay | 0 | 6.8 | 4 |
| 05/06/2012 14:30 | Hilali | 0 | 8.085999094 | 4 |
| 05/06/2012 15:10 | I Confess | 0 | 9 | 4 |
| 06/06/2012 15:40 | Tokyo Brown | 0 | 9.392371518 | 4 |
| 06/06/2012 17:25 | Qalinas | 0 | 7 | 4 |
| 06/06/2012 19:00 | Proud Chieftain | 0 | 9.2 | 4 |
| 07/06/2012 14:30 | Qubuh | 0 | 5.1 | 4 |
| 07/06/2012 19:55 | Hurricane Lady | 0 | 11.0615874 | 4 |
| 07/06/2012 20:40 | Bally Gunner | 0 | 6.4 | 4 |
| 08/06/2012 18:20 | Market Puzzle | 0 | 9.070619386 | 4 |
| 08/06/2012 18:40 | Bispham Green | 0 | 11.05599201 | 4 |
| 08/06/2012 19:10 | Saloomy | 0 | 9.497765384 | 4 |
| 09/06/2012 14:55 | Shropshire | 0 | 9.052766733 | 4 |
| 11/06/2012 15:45 | Dancing Welcome | 0 | 6.4 | 4 |
| 11/06/2012 20:10 | Four Richer | 0 | 12.5 | 4 |
| 12/06/2012 20:10 | Doyenne Dream | 0 | 11.77912077 | 4 |
| 12/06/2012 20:40 | Little Carmela | 0 | 7.97 | 4 |
| 13/06/2012 14:40 | Arkaim | 0 | 8.8 | 4 |
| 13/06/2012 15:10 | Skyeron | 0 | 9.151640032 | 4 |
| 13/06/2012 16:30 | Emperors Waltz | 0 | 10 | 4 |
| 14/06/2012 17:35 | Byrd In Hand | 0 | 7.74301373 | 4 |
| 14/06/2012 18:10 | Toughness Danon | 0 | 14.5 | 4 |
| 14/06/2012 18:40 | Commander Jet | 0 | 13 | 4 |
| 14/06/2012 20:40 | Guns Of Love | 0 | 13 | 4 |
| 15/06/2012 13:20 | Chosen One | 0 | 10.02660979 | 4 |
| 15/06/2012 16:00 | Tartan Gigha | 0 | 9.259820343 | 4 |
| 15/06/2012 19:00 | Charminster | 0 | 6.246523493 | 4 |
| 15/06/2012 19:35 | Mibleu | 0 | 11.5 | 4 |
| 16/06/2012 16:20 | Copper Falls | 0 | 8.187843718 | 4 |
| 16/06/2012 19:05 | Illustrious Lad | 0 | 12.5 | 4 |
| 17/06/2012 16:10 | Tinzapeas | 0 | 11.5 | 4 |
| 17/06/2012 17:15 | Queens Estate | 0 | 7.46958497 | 4 |
| 18/06/2012 16:45 | Thackeray | 0 | 8.2 | 4 |
| 18/06/2012 19:55 | Dragonera | 0 | 9.55880161 | 4 |
| 18/06/2012 20:25 | Climaxfortackle | 0 | 7.897628748 | 4 |
| 19/06/2012 17:35 | Smoothtalkinrascal | 0 | 13.5 | 4 |
| 19/06/2012 21:00 | Cut The Cackle | 0 | 8.697951162 | 4 |
| 20/06/2012 14:10 | Geneva Geyser | 0 | 7.596390383 | 4 |
| 20/06/2012 17:20 | Arriva La Diva | 0 | 12 | 4 |
| 20/06/2012 20:10 | Bayan Kasirga | 0 | 9.755972145 | 4 |
| 21/06/2012 14:30 | Mister Marc | 0 | 8.445032782 | 4 |
| 21/06/2012 16:00 | Pravda Street | 0 | 8.109316392 | 4 |
| 21/06/2012 18:50 | My Friend Riquet | 0 | 8.2 | 4 |
| 21/06/2012 20:30 | Raifteiri | 0 | 7.2 | 4 |
| 22/06/2012 15:05 | Thought Worthy | 0 | 9.8 | 4 |
| 22/06/2012 15:30 | Nodforms Violet | 0 | 8.118975042 | 4 |
| 22/06/2012 18:50 | Mystical Moment | 0 | 8.4 | 4 |
| 22/06/2012 19:30 | Excellent Jem | 0 | 10 | 4 |
| 22/06/2012 20:25 | Wahylah | 0 | 7 | 4 |
| 22/06/2012 21:10 | Lauras Bairn | 0 | 9.2 | 4 |
| 23/06/2012 14:15 | Navajo Nights | 0 | 14.64530369 | 4 |
| 23/06/2012 17:00 | Mulaqen | 0 | 12.5 | 4 |
| 24/06/2012 15:40 | Glens Diamond | 0 | 8.4 | 4 |
| 25/06/2012 14:15 | Williams Way | 0 | 8.2 | 4 |
| 25/06/2012 17:15 | Dhhamaan | 0 | 6.4 | 4 |
| 25/06/2012 20:20 | Tobrata | 0 | 8.797004631 | 4 |
| 26/06/2012 16:00 | Iceblast | 0 | 9.2 | 4 |
| 26/06/2012 18:30 | Soundbyte | 0 | 7.2 | 4 |
| 27/06/2012 21:20 | Incendiary | 0 | 11.03241153 | 4 |
| 28/06/2012 16:40 | First Class Favour | 0 | 9.635382114 | 4 |
| 29/06/2012 15:00 | London Citizen | 0 | 5.009883807 | 4 |
| 29/06/2012 15:35 | Nameitwhatyoulike | 0 | 11 | 4 |
| 29/06/2012 15:55 | Bless You | 0 | 11.4667853 | 4 |
| 29/06/2012 16:20 | Old Boy Ted | 0 | 9.6 | 4 |
| 29/06/2012 17:40 | Emperor Vespasian | 0 | 15.81725802 | 4 |
| 29/06/2012 20:05 | Sioux Rising | 0 | 6.8 | 4 |
| 30/06/2012 14:00 | Switzerland | 0 | 15.68824371 | 4 |
| 30/06/2012 14:30 | Bridge Night | 0 | 7.577433972 | 4 |
| 30/06/2012 15:55 | Fulbright | 0 | 9.383256693 | 4 |
| 30/06/2012 17:35 | Operettist | 0 | 11.5 | 4 |
| 30/06/2012 20:45 | Sangar | 0 | 10.26350331 | 4 |
I have been posting on here for some while that Red's system did not work
and that followers of it would finish up in the workhouse, I now feel vindicated.
and that followers of it would finish up in the workhouse, I now feel vindicated.
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