Black Caviar ride to 'haunt Luke Nolen for the rest of his life'

I'm enjoying reading the Aussie papers it seems they're not so c0cky down below . She's still the best filly down there though... Feck me they even give column inches to 'eccentric local Big Mac'.. "I don't Australians"

Pundit hails victory for the good of racing worldwide

Craig Young
June 25, 2012

IN THE lead-up to what has been described as the most dramatic race run at Royal Ascot, eccentric local John McCririck summed up the presence of Black Caviar. Thankfully ''the wonder from Down Under'' wasn't taking on Europe's hero Frankel.

''If Black Caviar is beaten, never again, in the next generation, will a world superstar come from the other side of the globe from Australia or from America,'' McCririck told the At The Races audience.

''This is so important for world racing that she win. I don't like Australians, I don't want Australians to win anything, but Black Caviar is essential.''

McCririck gave credit to Black Caviar's team for putting her ''reputation on the line''.

''They've bought her over for the supreme challenge,'' he said and described Black Caviar's presence in the Diamond Jubilee Stakes as an ''extraordinary moment for world sport''. It certainly was.

Black Caviar was running on empty on the Ascot 1200 metre straight track, which is like nothing in Australia with its two wind-sucking elevations.

Nolen said he underestimated the demands of the course. Thankfully Black Caviar knew when she needed to find something. For the first time in her 22-start career she had to stick her head out. That was the margin from French galloper Moonlight Cloud. Nolen may not have got out of Royal Ascot skin intact had the photo-finish been negative.

Betfair said Black Caviar had become the new benchmark. There was a record $19,660,140 traded on the mare. TAB Sportsbet reported more than $1 million was wagered on Black Caviar at fixed odds, including a bet of $200,000 at $1.15.

The eyes of the racing world were on Black Caviar and Nolen. It was as close as it gets but Pam Hawkes, part-owner responsible for picking up the trophy from the Queen, reckoned ''a win is a win and we're not disappointed with the margin of victory''.

The Diamond Jubilee time of one minute, 14.10 seconds was bettered a race later when 33-1 chance Dandy Boy won the Wokingham Stakes, a group 2, in 1.13.87 but hopefully there is no finding anything amiss. Maybe she has run her last race, which has proven to be the most dramatic of all. A monumental moment in sport.


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He was looking after an injured horse who is the apple of his eye and millions of others.

He is forgiven already

Hold on Angel Gabriel I aint finished quiet yet

Not quite glorious but still victorious

Richard Hinds Sydney Morning Herald
June 25, 2012


Black Caviar scrapes home at Royal Ascot

It was only confirmed via a photo finish but Black Caviar has triumphed at Royal Ascot to extend her World Record winning streak.

Never has a brilliant Australian victory by a beloved superstar on foreign soil created such an aching sense of - well - disappointment is not quite the word. After all, Black Caviar's nostrils hit the line first, and crowds in pubs and white-knuckled night owls clutching teacups cheered with sheer relief.

This was not Don Bradman bowled for a duck in his last innings. It was The Don making the four runs required to take his lifetime average to 100, and not one run more, before losing his middle stump. This was mission accomplished.

It was just not supposed to be like this. The incredible hype around Black Caviar had created overwhelming confidence we would witness an exhibition of athletic excellence. Instead, we got a contest. Consequently, not since the plumbing in Flemington public lavatories was blocked on Melbourne Cup day have so many at a racetrack been forced to hold their breath. Which is why, after a performance that would under any other circumstances be met with universal acclaim, we found ourselves feeling underwhelmed. Even slightly cheated.

What went (almost) wrong? Before we learnt Black Cavair had finished with two muscle tears and severe bruising, choosing the scapegoat was as easy as finding a pimple in year eight class photo. Luke Nolen was universally ridiculed for allowing Black Caviar to coast to the line like a Formula One car with an empty fuel tank.

It was a misjudgment with such potentially disastrous consequences you could not help wonder about the opprobrium the jockey would have suffered had Black Caviar not mustered a final lunge at the line. Shane Dye, who took Veandercross several suburbs wide and lost the 1992 Caulfield Cup, might have some idea. But, in global terms, Dye lost the meat tray in a pub raffle. Nolen almost threw away the winning Lotto ticket.

Thus, Nolen's self-confessed ''brain fade'' almost became a byword for sporting incompetence. A player fumbles the ball near the line in a grand final? A basketballer misses a match-winning free throw? A hurdler falls at the last obstacle? ''Oh dear. He's done a Luke Nolen!''

For the parochial, Black Caviar's failure to blitz the opposition was compounded by Frankel's stunning victory three days earlier. A feat of mind-boggling acceleration to match Usain Bolt's Beijing burst. The British champion had, before their eyes, defied the scepticism of some Australians, including Black Caviar's trainer Peter Moody, who had believed Frankel's rating had been unfairly boosted after mundane victories over mediocre fields.

But Frankel had thrown down the gauntlet, and we hoped Nolen would be empowered to take the brakes off Black Caviar and meet the challenge. Instead, incredibly, he went to sleep at the wheel. For all that, we have no right to feel cheated by Black Caviar's failure to win well. Beyond the obvious bottom line - SHE WON! - there are good reasons the unbeaten mare might not have performed at her very best , things that, in turn, should make her victory even more meritorious.

Not even those who tweet on Black Caviar's behalf know how she was affected by the arduous trip to Royal Ascot. Some, such as last year's Melbourne Cup quinella Dunaden and Red Cadeaux thrive. But how many other highly-rated raiders have failed to bring their best northern form with them?

Then there was the unfamiliar, sticky track and the circus that surrounded her appearance. Traffic was cleared on Ascot High Street as Black Caviar walked to her stall, the cameras following her every step. The BBC presenters gushing about how ''an Australian rules football match was once moved so that people could watch her race''.

Black Caviar was thus hailed, but also set up for a fall. Anything less than a stunning victory would be an anticlimax.

Yet, as the defiant - and victorious! - Moody said, Black Caviar's 22 from 22 ''was never about margins, never about dominance''. You don't maintain an unbeaten streak like that by milking every ounce of effort every time you hit the track.

Still, with onlookers numbed rather than exultant, it will be some time before the magnitude of Black Caviar's achievement sinks in. In the meantime, fairly or not, the post-race words of the haunted Nolen encapsulate the feeling: ''We got away with it.''

rhinds@smh.com.au

Twitter: @rdhinds


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Some excuses here

Caviar's rider plays get out of jail card

Luke Nolen came within a nose of camping with Julian Assange in the Ecuador Embassy



Max Presnell

Luke Nolen came within a nose of camping with Julian Assange in the Ecuador Embassy. Certainly if he had been beaten on Black Caviar in the Diamond Jubilee at Royal Ascot on Saturday he would have been difficult to place. Everybody can make a mistake, or in his words have a ''brain fade'', but he couldn't have picked a worse time or situation. In Australia, under Ray Murrihy law anyway, it would have dealt with more severely: a $500 fine of little consequence as the result stood but something far sterner had the champion been beaten. ''It's very well to say all's well that end's well but on the other hand it could have had enormous consequences,'' Murrihy said. ''In a group 1 [like the Diamond Jubilee] you would be starting at about three months [on the sidelines].'' Obviously Black Caviar wasn't at her best and Nolen had her going at full throttle, all the more reason why dropping his hands was disastrous. Still the 22-race winning sequence is because of the superb manner Nolen and trainer Peter Moody have cuddled her; she's had few gut-busters. The internet buzzed regarding soft kills in the lead-up races but she had enough in the tank to score, albeit by a half-length at best to my eye on the video if the pressure had been maintained. So why the substandard effort? ''I was worried before the race when I saw how much walking was involved to get her to the enclosure and then she was marched around the enclosure by that bloke with the top hat until she was clearly p!ssed off,'' bazzaAJ wrote on Racenet. ''Never given a minute's peace by him until she got onto the track then walked around behind the barriers for another five minutes and clearly agitated by it all. Nolen needed to take charge of the situation. I was agitated as much as she was due to the torture she was put thru by inconsiderate persons.'' And Sparticus: ''It is obvious that she didn't perform to her maximum ability. Undulating course, slow going and likely injury are the contributing factors, plus the ride probably only cost her ¾ length. But please don't dribble about 'all she has been through' with the travel. Choisir, Takeover Target, Miss Andretti, Scenic Blast, had to endure the same travel and still performed close to their optimum level.'' However, what mattered is when Nolen asked Nelly to lift, the mighty mare got off the canvas, carrying him and Australia - otherwise the jockey and Assange would have been stablemates. Geoffrey Robertson would have been called in to negotiate a time frame. Robertson could have argued that a short confinement with Assange is the equivalent of a year in the Tower Of London.


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Anaglogs Daughter     24 Jun 12 21:24 
Hold on Angel Gabriel I aint finished quiet yet

Consequently, not since the plumbing in Flemington public lavatories was blocked on Melbourne Cup day have so many at a racetrack been forced to hold their breath.

lol

He looked like a horseman more than a jockey.

Richard Hills type

C'mon here there's more

JOCKEY Luke Nolen was savaged by the British media for nearly costing Black Caviar her unbeaten record.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au

Instead of reading about Black Caviar's extraordinary achievement to win 22 races in succession in the Diamond Jubilee Stakes, Nolen became the story.

"The blunder from Down Under! Black Caviar wins despite jockey error" was the headline in Racing Post.

"Black Caviar came within a whisker of losing her unbeaten record after jockey Luke Nolen dropped his hands in the closing stages and almost allowed Moonlight Cloud to steal the race on the line," Tom Kerr wrote.

The Guardian headline said it all: "Black Caviar survives Luke Nolen blunder to win at Royal Ascot."

"Black Caviar's first race outside Australia turned into a piece of astonishing drama that thrilled 77,000 people here and millions around the world, leaving only her jockey, Luke Nolen, ashen and full of regret," wrote Chris Cook.

The Mail On Sunday's headline read: "I nearly blew it! Jockey Nolen owns up to Ascot howler."

The Sunday Mirror's headline read: "Luk-y devil: Black Caviar is a Royal Ascot winner despite jockey's error."

"Strewth! Australia's flying Sheila almost got mugged by a couple of French fillies on the final day of Royal Ascot."

JOCKEY Luke Nolen was savaged by the British media for nearly costing Black Caviar her unbeaten record.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au

Instead of reading about Black Caviar's extraordinary achievement to win 22 races in succession in the Diamond Jubilee Stakes, Nolen became the story.

"The blunder from Down Under! Black Caviar wins despite jockey error" was the headline in Racing Post.

"Black Caviar came within a whisker of losing her unbeaten record after jockey Luke Nolen dropped his hands in the closing stages and almost allowed Moonlight Cloud to steal the race on the line," Tom Kerr wrote.

The Guardian headline said it all: "Black Caviar survives Luke Nolen blunder to win at Royal Ascot."

"Black Caviar's first race outside Australia turned into a piece of astonishing drama that thrilled 77,000 people here and millions around the world, leaving only her jockey, Luke Nolen, ashen and full of regret," wrote Chris Cook.

The Mail On Sunday's headline read: "I nearly blew it! Jockey Nolen owns up to Ascot howler."

The Sunday Mirror's headline read: "Luk-y devil: Black Caviar is a Royal Ascot winner despite jockey's error."

"Strewth! Australia's flying Sheila almost got mugged by a couple of French fillies on the final day of Royal Ascot."

An aura lost over single furlong

by: Nicole Jeffery
From:The Australian
June 25,

THE race was won but something else was lost as Black Caviar laboured to her 22nd consecutive victory at Royal Ascot.

This was not the all-conquering mare who had broken the hearts of the best sprinters in the land in her 21 previous race starts and won the hearts of the nation. This was a horse of flesh and blood and vulnerability.

The aura of invincibility that trainer Peter Moody talked of last week was torn away as she faded late and the challengers snapped at her legend.

That she still managed to cross the finish line first did not disguise the fact that this was a performance that brought her a step closer to retirement, perhaps as soon her return to Australia next month.

But if this is the end for Black Caviar, then it is a good one.

Even the greatest champions are unable to dictate the manner of their parting. Some get the fairytale finish, but more do not (think of Don Bradman's duck in his last Test innings). Yet it never detracts from legend. It's not about how it ends, but about how they made us feel.

And on that score, Black Caviar's career has been a wonder and delight to a nation that has embraced her like no other horse since the immortal Phar Lap.

If Australia's champion never races again, she will finish unbeaten, as the winner of an Australasian record 22 races.

That was the point that her jockey Luke Nolen was trying desperately to enforce in the aftermath of the Diamond Jubilee Stakes, after Black Caviar had come closer to being beaten than she has at any stage of her extraordinary career.

In her international debut after 21 successive victories in Australian, she won by just a head from the late-coming French hope Moonlight Cloud.

An upset Nolen took total responsibility for putting her in danger of defeat over the last furlong.

In the race post-mortem, he was whipping himself far harder than he had her, confessing that he stopped urging her on, because he expected her huge engine would carry him to victory once they were a length clear of the field, as it has in virtually every other race.

But this race, on Ascot's indiosyncratic straight track with an uphill finish, was different.

"It's a testing track and I underestimated the gruelling six furlongs here," he said.

"I just let her idle at the finish and maybe the big engine just shut itself down. I duly sh!t myself, but she's got a big neck and she doesn't know how to get beat. I thought she would still coast home but when I relaxed on her, she came right back underneath me."

Nolen said it would have been a "travesty" if the horse had been beaten based on his "rookie error".

"I just hope that this doesn't overshadow what a magnificent effort the horse made," he said.

"I've got to live with that (mistake), she doesn't. That's not the story. The 22 in a row, that's the story.

"It's a magnificent record. You have to have a real appreciation for the gruelling test of the six furlongs here and I grossly underestimated it. She won and that's the most important story.

"I should be elated and over the moon, but I'm still kicking myself a bit about that last bit."

It was a mistake but an understandable one, given Nolen's previous experience with the super-charged sprinter.

"The work she did at Newmarket (in the lead-up to the race) was as good as I have seen from her but she just hasn't brought it to the race today," he said.

"She just wasn't the same horse we have seen in maybe 20 of her races."

Moody was unwilling to call time in the emotion of race day. He will wait until they return home to decide what the future holds.

But he knows he was looking at a tired horse on the famous Ascot straight.

"It was heart in the mouth stuff but she didn't let us down," he said.

"I believe she was probably out on her feet a furlong and a half out. She never travelled as keenly and strongly as she does at home and I had concerns half a mile out. Only her grit and ability got her home. Luke was trying to look after her and while he nearly got caught short, he got the job done. She just didn't show the zip, and post-race she's out on her feet so she's done a tremendous job."

But he acknowledged that this may have been Black Caviar's last race.

"Every start now I'm prepared to accept it could be her last run. If she is as tired and worn out when she gets home to Australia as she is today, then she may have run for the last time.

"I wouldn't hesitate in any way shape or form to retire her. She has nothing left to prove.

"But I won't put the cart before the horse. We will get her home first, see how she is. I'd love to race her in the spring.

His only regret about the trip to Britain is that those on that side of the world didn't get to see her at her best.

"I'm extremely proud of her - she's been one hell of a horse who has carried us throughout her career," he said.

"I'm slightly disappointed for your public that they haven't seen how great this filly is and that will give doubting Thomases some material, but you don't win 22 from 22 being moderate."

"I think I saw the finest performance I've ever seen on a racecourse on Tuesday in the winner Frankel. I think maybe if I'd had this mare here last year I would probably have said the same thing."

Royal Ascot went truly dotty for her yesterday. She seemed like the only show in town. The must-have fashion accessory for men was the black-spotted salmon pink tie, while women clutched pink and black fans and flags, and some, including one tiny mite, wore the full colours.

But the 80,000-strong sellout crowd that assembled at Ascot yesterday to watch her win got more than they bargained for. They cheered her from the moment she entered the mounting yard, then out on to the track and down the famous straight at Ascot to the starting barrier.

On the return trip, the cheering morphed into a collective gasp of horror when it seemed that she might get beaten, but resumed once it became clear that she had survived the late onslaught. There was no more popular winner at Royal Ascot this year.

Black Caviar's connections met the Queen for the second time in a day when she presented the trophy to them post-race, after she had given the horse a pat.

"As we all know, Her Majesty is a horse lover," Moody said.

"It was a meeting of the two Queens of Australia."

Many thanks AD for your inputs -these are great pieces I otherwise wouldn't see.

Can i comment now AD?

or

Is there more

Oh there's plenty more. But enough for now. Plenty to read there for Megsy and chums when they wake up from their nightmare slumber dreaming of Luke the Blunder from down under and B.C. The failure from Australia

99% of what the racing media say or write is 100% wrong.
They are at 100% wrong yet again.

comical how it feels like a massive loss for them.

Nice work Analglogs Daughter. One of the best on this forum  .That's from an Australian.
Really enjoyed this read nearly as much as my claims being proven that Black Caviar is the most  overrated one dimensional mollycoddled powderpuff of a horse to come out of Australia in fifty years. Total media hype that donks like mugsy beleive.Frankel by eleven lengths Black Caviar by half a head . End of story.

    Better than Frankel Better than Phar Lap Better than Vain.  Absolute insult to these great horses.

Jun 25, 2012 -- 1:13AM, tilt10 wrote:

Nice work Analglogs Daughter. One of the best on this forum  .That's from an Australian. Really enjoyed this read nearly as much as my claims being proven that Black Caviar is the most  overrated one dimensional mollycoddled powderpuff of a horse to come out of Australia in fifty years. Total media hype that donks like mugsy beleive.Frankel by eleven lengths Black Caviar by half a head . End of story.    Better than Frankel Better than Phar Lap Better than Vain.  Absolute insult to these great horses.

I really hope you didn't jump to these conclusions when Frankel won by 3/4 length? Did you instantly trash him then and write him off as a champion? Black Caviar took to the field after flying half way across the world, raced with injuries and still won.

When Frankel only won by 3/4 L it was the rediculous sectional times he was asked to do. TQ was asking him to quicken at 5 furlong pace over a mile. Nelly didnt do any sensational sections before wilting. If Society Rock had not lost 6L at the start he would have won..

She has been a flat track bully in Oz. A dominant sprinter, but what class are your sprinters at the moment? Obviously it is horses for courses and Ascot can be a turn off for many horses.

So your excuse is that she did crazy sectionals during the race. Black Caviar travelled around the world and raced injured yet you don't take that as an excuse? Your bias and failure to see what a great horse she is really does alter your credibility.

Not to mention saying Society Rock would have won is completely speculative, will never be proved and is just a blatant attempt to detract from the win.

Imagine if Bradman's final duck at The Oval in 1948 – the one that left his Test average on 99.94 – was the result not of the ball hitting his stumps, but a rash call from the other end and a run-out. The name of Arthur Morris would have become the most cursed in the history of Australian sport. At Ascot on Saturday, however, Luke Nolen very nearly contrived a parallel infamy.

In the event, his harrowing moment of complacency on Black Caviar – easing her down even as Moonlight Cloud began to pounce in the final stages of the
Diamond Jubilee Stakes – was salvaged by a fortune none could begrudge. For what kind of reward might it have seemed, for all the ambition and adventure that brought her here, had the judge's photo failed to extend her unbeaten record to 22?

It turns out that there were unsuspected grounds for Black Caviar's failure to justify Nolen's assumption she could "coast" home. In his initial mortification, the jockey speculated that she had failed to sustain her momentum over a much stiffer track than those they have always cruised round at home. Yesterday, however, it emerged that Black Caviar had torn muscles in her hindquarters, almost certainly during the race. Combined with the vivid folly of her rider, and the hidden attrition of travel, her bruised physique warrants a fresh assessment of a performance that chastened thousands of Australians who had introduced a mood of boisterous confidence to this very formal, very English milieu. Far from being an anticlimax, the first real struggle of her career perhaps represented its greatest triumph.

Whoops and cheers had followed the giant mare around the parade ring, where the salmon pink and black roe spots of Nolen's silks proliferated in ties, scarves and jewellery. Jockeys without a ride in the race stood on chairs in the weighing room, peering above the top hats for a glimpse of the phenomenon. However formidable the mare's physique, they could not have been impressed with a coat that gave ominous physical expression to her physiological dislocation. This corner of the northern hemisphere may not be enjoying much of a summer, but Black Caviar's hirsute aspect stressed that she had been brought here from the depths of her own winter. This was not just Black Caviar against the best of Europe; in a fairly literal sense, this was Black Caviar contra mundum.

In some respects, the denouement would uncomfortably evoke the first and only defeat of another great mare, Zenyatta, in her 20th and final start in the 2010 Breeders' Cup. On that occasion, the post came one stride too late, and Mike Smith faced far more recrimination than was his due. This time, however, it was Moonlight Cloud who needed one more stride, and Nolen duly gained an exoneration he scarcely deserved.

Poor Smith had sobbed in contrition, claiming all the blame. Nolen, in fairness, was ashen and humbled as he sat beside Peter Moody, Black Caviar's trainer, at the press conference. Moody is a big, plain-talking guy, and Nolen must have quailed inwardly, as proceedings came to an end, when the arm of a giant morning coat coiled around his neck. But Moody was merely pulling him close in a gesture at once relieved and disbelieving, affectionate and exasperated. Yesterday the trainer described Black Caviar as "very tired and flat" as she prepared to enter quarantine, but the discovery of bruising at least encouraged him to quell talk that she might be nearing the end of the road.

In repeatedly protesting that his "brain fade" should not be the story, meanwhile, Nolen was not seeking exculpation. Just as Zenyatta's winning streak gained deeper meaning only when it was ended in her finest performance, so Black Caviar needed adversity to remind everyone that there had been nothing remotely perfunctory about the previous 21 wins, either.

And that rebuke is worth extending to the inevitable contrasts being drawn with Frankel. The home champion had begun the meeting with a performance that mocked the sort of latent hazards disclosed by Black Caviar. Both passed the post to gasps of amazement: one, by separating himself from the herd by fully 11 lengths; the other, by scrambling home on hooves of clay. Frankel bounded clear, in an outrageous pomp; Black Caviar finished her race in rank indignity, Nolen realising his error and essaying a panicked, final lunge. But it should be remembered how Frankel himself was so nearly undone at this meeting, last year, when the misjudgement of his rider had been both less brazen and less pardonable.

Talk of a match between the pair had always been fairly fatuous. But it seems safe to add that Sir Henry Cecil, Frankel's trainer, will have observed Black Caviar's travails and been confirmed in his determination never to test Frankel in the same way. Little more seems likely to be learnt of his greatness from a defence of the Qipco Sussex Stakes, at Goodwood next month, and while he will at least try a new trip in the Juddmonte International at York, Frankel will never be exposed to the sort of risks embraced by connections of Black Caviar.

Frankel's performance on Tuesday was so dominant that it seems increasingly difficult to believe Camelot will be campaigned with greater intrepidity. For all its historic resonance, and the edifying consequences for the Ladbrokes St Leger, the idea of going for the Triple Crown contains infinitely less risk to the Derby winner's reputation than the possibility of a spanking by Frankel. In the meantime, Camelot is likely to start at very short odds for his home Derby this weekend.

Even on their solitary paths, however, these different champions are mapping out a vintage season. Frankel and Black Caviar between them suppressed due plaudits for John Gosden and William Buick, who shared a momentous meeting with five winners; or for New Approach, the sensational rookie stallion whose progeny won all three juvenile races beyond the minimum trip. We may well have yet another freak on our hands. Unlike Nolen, however, let nobody take anything for granted

MathewC

She is a great Australian horse. A good sprinter in our eyes, a big ugly powerful animal. Sprinters are sprinters.

Will she be easy to mate with, being such a masculine beast

AD
Even bigger tw*t than I thought

wow Ad you are totally obsessed. Very sad fooker indeed

Good morning possums thanks for the insults. It seems you are rattled. I bet the country was in mourning when you woke up. Cheer up for feck sake she won...Just...Ireland and England aren't really known for their sprinters because the 5 classics are ran over a mile or further so that's where the big bucks are so while she's world class in Australia she's average to the rest of the world. But no matter what the mouth Moody tells you about how big of a superstar she is just remind him the English/Irish have 6 furlong handicappers that can run faster then her

AD
"The Diamond Jubilee time of one minute, 14.10 seconds was bettered a race later when 33-1 chance Dandy Boy won the Wokingham Stakes, a group 2, in 1.13.87 but hopefully there is no finding anything amiss. Maybe she has run her last race, which has proven to be the most dramatic of all. A monumental moment in sport."

somebody should point out to the aussies that the wokingham isn't a G2 race.
it's just a class 2 handicap.

The Australian pattern is a bit of a joke. 19 of their Group 1s are handicaps. 19!

it was nearly mudsville

poem--casey at bat

22 from 22... as Moody said, you don't win 22 from 22 being moderate.

We've all had rides that haunt us imo

brrrr

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Good morning possums thanks for the insults. It seems you are rattled. I bet the country was in mourning when you woke up. Cheer up for feck sake she won...Just...Ireland and England aren't really known for their sprinters because the 5 classics are ran over a mile or further so that's where the big bucks are so while she's world class in Australia she's average to the rest of the world. But no matter what the mouth Moody tells you about how big of a superstar she is just remind him the English/Irish have 6 furlong handicappers that can run faster then her


didnt SO YOU THINK run the first mile of his 10f race faster than Frankels mile?

Please leave fact out of the argument Sooty5 no place for them here

Frankel was fast by 1.15 seconds. Just outside the course record on good/soft ground!!!!

Yeah So You Think beat this in a 10f race for the first mile!

You Australians are not known for your intelligence are you?

black caviar....what a donkey....everyone knows shes a donkey now and has destroyed her reputation forever...

not the greatest ride ever , but what difference would it have made if he hadn't have stopped riding for a second or two ? the only way she would have won by wide daylight was if she'd had a rocket shoved up her arse.

Roy Higgins:- "It wasn't a maiden up the bush".

Unlucky Luke.

what difference would it have made if he hadn't have stopped riding for a second or two?

Made almost no difference other than she would have won half a length instead of a half head... Nolen put her in danger of defeat. With a bit of luck on her side, the French Filly could have dipped her head at the right time and won.

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22 from 22... as Moody said, you don't win 22 from 22 being moderate.


no indeed. you win 22 from 22 by racing against moderate opposition.

if that is all it takes, why hasn't it been done since the 1870's?

Where did Society Rock lose 6L at the start?, it certainly wasn't at Ascot on saturday, the horse probably lost about a length and a half at the most and was ridden a lot harder than Black Caviar during the race, to say Society Rock would've won is stretching things to point of exaggeration.

All joking aside..

The truth of the matter is she did not truly the Ascot 6f. She would have been better off in Kings Stand Stakes over 5f. She was not really proved at 7f in Australia. You need to stay 7f well to get the 6f at Ascot.

She is an out and out sprinter.

*The truth of the matter is she did not truly STAY the Ascot 6f

I'd say SR was a good 4 lengths slower at the start than he was when he won the race last year (when Palace Moon missed it as badly as he (SR) did this year). I've just watched the videos of the starts a couple of times each.

Angel Gabriel
He was looking after an injured horse who is the apple of his eye and millions of others.

He is forgiven already.

Not totally sure if this is irony but if he was telling the truth about nearly withdrawing here at the start when he felt she wasn't right then to race and "injure" her shows he wasn't looking after her and if she got injured during the race it would have been too later to make any difference as he still rode her to the line bar a stride or two or it happened after the race but I have my doubts over all of those versions of events anyway as why not dismount and you definitely down ride her back down the course in victory when injured.

The term damage limitation springs to mind really.

AdvantageAussie
if that is all it takes, why hasn't it been done since the 1870's?

It's obviously a great achievement and I'm not taking anything away from Black Caviar but there are various factors to take into consideration though.

First of all she's a mare and so there's no rush to send her to stud as there is with colts/stallions. She's a sprinter as opposed to racing over longer distances and it takes less out of sprinters and they can run their races in clusters time wise between one race and the next too. Then once you get X number of unbeaten races under your belt then there is a reluctance from other connections to take you on and so you end up beating the same few better class horses and/or a variety of lesser ones.

Other than the stud and sprinter parts, the final point also applies to Frankel too before some of the Aussies get a bee in their bonnets.

silvergreaser
Where did Society Rock lose 6L at the start?, it certainly wasn't at Ascot on saturday, the horse probably lost about a length and a half at the most and was ridden a lot harder than Black Caviar during the race, to say Society Rock would've won is stretching things to point of exaggeration.

If anything it was even more than 6L and probably 6L behind just Black Caviar. The starter cost Society Rock the race by letting them go when Johnny Murtagh wasn't even properly sat on the horse and was shouting "no, no, no" but he let them go anyway and SR comes out last and starts are far more significant in sprints than other races. It's not by how far Society Rock ends up behind the second last horse out that you measure the 6L, it's how far behind the early leader he is and that was nearer 10L and the starter basically made the decision for him as to how Murtagh had to ride his horse.

That early leader was Soul and that finished one place and ¾L in front of SR when effectively given a 10L start and so SR has made around 9L on that one over 6f and even if you don't agree with the actual figures, you get the point and there's even an very strong argument that SR ran a far better race than BC considering there was 2L between them at the line and even accounting for BC easing down for a stride or two just before the line, she still got a 6L start on SR due to the incompetence of the starting team.

There' not a shadow of doubt in my mind that Society Rock would have beaten BC, Soul and the 2 French horses had he got off on level terms or even only missed the break by around the same distance he was beaten by.