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got the feeling frankie reminded him just before the line that the team would prefer to win a group 1 with his horse.
That was a particularly bad ride from the boy but also highlighted how the rules make no difference if the 1st and 2nd are same ownership.Cost grimmy in both respects.
100 % correct, always oupositioned,no clue about the pace of the race,and will never win on a horse that is not an hour the best on the day
i actually thought he was there to keep the fav boxed in... not to win the race...
godolphin playing ballydoyle at their own game.
godolphin playing ballydoyle at their own game.
Maybe he is listening to Frankie too much.
Frankie is late from the stalls more often than he ever was and its a few seasons since the old greatness has been evident.
Spencer has listened to his critics this past 18 months and his waiting tactics have been less obvious so its less stressful backing him but I do see where you are coming from.
I never thought it was a great ride in the derby and unless he improves drasticly these english courses will outclass him and as a Godolphin follower I was disappointed when they signed him up but certainly saw exactly why they wanted to look to the future.
Frankie only wanted to do the class stuff but poor judgement was creeping in and in a way he forced Godolphins hand.
Just not sure this kid is the real deal and that concerns me greatly because I have had 5 successful seasons following this opperation.
Frankie is late from the stalls more often than he ever was and its a few seasons since the old greatness has been evident.
Spencer has listened to his critics this past 18 months and his waiting tactics have been less obvious so its less stressful backing him but I do see where you are coming from.
I never thought it was a great ride in the derby and unless he improves drasticly these english courses will outclass him and as a Godolphin follower I was disappointed when they signed him up but certainly saw exactly why they wanted to look to the future.
Frankie only wanted to do the class stuff but poor judgement was creeping in and in a way he forced Godolphins hand.
Just not sure this kid is the real deal and that concerns me greatly because I have had 5 successful seasons following this opperation.
Totally agree that he was ridden to stop keep fame and glory from getting off the fence and also that he suddenly seem to give up just before the line.....in the stewards room he just agreed with what Frankie said and had no further comment to make.wouldn't be surprised to see FD restored as first jockey before too long.
1pm Does this look like much of an inquiry to you?
Royal Ascot 2012: day four – live!
• Email your thoughts to chris.cook@guardian.co.uk
Will Hayler and Chris Cook
guardian.co.uk, Friday 22 June 2012
Yesterday's Gold Cup resulted in a stewards' inquiry into interference caused by the winner, Colour Vision, to the runner-up, Opinion Poll, in the final furlong. Wonderfully, the BBC have posted footage of the inquiry here http://bbc.in/NdS8Sd (available to UK viewers only), which is followed by a replay of the incident from the head-on camera.
The two riders involved, Frankie Dettori and Mickael Barzalona, were both riding for Godolphin, their main employer, so we can all understand that Barzalona was never going to create much of a fuss about what happened. Also, there was a language barrier for him, as his English is not good and he participated through a translator.
Even so, the process as represented through this footage seems pathetic to me. The only question put to Barzalona was from the translator, who asked if he had anything to add to Dettori's explanation of what happened. He said no, which was his total contribution to the inquiry.
At the very least, the stewards should have pressed him for a detailed description of his experience of the final furlong and the effect on his horse of the interference. Whatever you think about the rights and wrongs of this race, the apparent apathy of these stewards is disconcerting. It is very hard to explain why Dettori did not get at least a short suspension for careless riding, since he had his whip in the wrong hand and did not immediately act to straighten his mount.
I don't get the sense from many people that an injustice was done and Colour Vision seems accepted as the right winner, having finished half a length in front. Even so, the head-on shows that Opinion Poll was bumped twice and was moved off his racing line thereby. Watching the side-on view, he moves impressively through the field to challenge until the point where he is bumped, which appears to bring an end to his forward move. Of course, it may have ended anyway, as he was given a lot of ground to make up.
I asked the British Horseracing Authority for comment, having explained my concerns. They sent me this statement:
"In any enquiry, the stewards will first analyse video footage in order to make initial assessments of the incident, at which point the jockeys involved are invited to offer their views. If the jockeys' interpretation of the incident entirely corroborates the stewards' initial assessment, then it is correct that a verdict should be announced as soon as possible, bearing in mind that the result of the race is dependent on the decision.
"In all enquiries, jockeys are given the opportunity to state their position or interpretation of events, as was the case in yesterday's enquiry. Barzalona was offered the opportunity to comment on Frankie Dettori's version of events, at which point he simply confirmed to the stewards that he had nothing to add to Dettori's analysis".
Personally, I feel that the BHA should be instructing its stewards to take a more rigorous approach to such matters. If you wave through results like yesterday's, the message to jockeys is that they are allowed to bump their opponents in the closing stages, provided they can then win by enough of a margin as to enable them to claim they'd have won anyway.
12.46pm Relive an epic finish to yesterday's Gold Cup
Here's the At The Races footage of yesterday's big race, in which Frankie Dettori turned his month around by lifting Colour Vision to a half-length success over Opinion Poll.
ASCOT GOLD CUP http://bit.ly/PGSoMA
The race was not without its controversy, relating to the subsequent stewards' inquiry, which we'll talk about in a moment
Royal Ascot 2012: day four – live!
• Email your thoughts to chris.cook@guardian.co.uk
Will Hayler and Chris Cook
guardian.co.uk, Friday 22 June 2012
Yesterday's Gold Cup resulted in a stewards' inquiry into interference caused by the winner, Colour Vision, to the runner-up, Opinion Poll, in the final furlong. Wonderfully, the BBC have posted footage of the inquiry here http://bbc.in/NdS8Sd (available to UK viewers only), which is followed by a replay of the incident from the head-on camera.
The two riders involved, Frankie Dettori and Mickael Barzalona, were both riding for Godolphin, their main employer, so we can all understand that Barzalona was never going to create much of a fuss about what happened. Also, there was a language barrier for him, as his English is not good and he participated through a translator.
Even so, the process as represented through this footage seems pathetic to me. The only question put to Barzalona was from the translator, who asked if he had anything to add to Dettori's explanation of what happened. He said no, which was his total contribution to the inquiry.
At the very least, the stewards should have pressed him for a detailed description of his experience of the final furlong and the effect on his horse of the interference. Whatever you think about the rights and wrongs of this race, the apparent apathy of these stewards is disconcerting. It is very hard to explain why Dettori did not get at least a short suspension for careless riding, since he had his whip in the wrong hand and did not immediately act to straighten his mount.
I don't get the sense from many people that an injustice was done and Colour Vision seems accepted as the right winner, having finished half a length in front. Even so, the head-on shows that Opinion Poll was bumped twice and was moved off his racing line thereby. Watching the side-on view, he moves impressively through the field to challenge until the point where he is bumped, which appears to bring an end to his forward move. Of course, it may have ended anyway, as he was given a lot of ground to make up.
I asked the British Horseracing Authority for comment, having explained my concerns. They sent me this statement:
"In any enquiry, the stewards will first analyse video footage in order to make initial assessments of the incident, at which point the jockeys involved are invited to offer their views. If the jockeys' interpretation of the incident entirely corroborates the stewards' initial assessment, then it is correct that a verdict should be announced as soon as possible, bearing in mind that the result of the race is dependent on the decision.
"In all enquiries, jockeys are given the opportunity to state their position or interpretation of events, as was the case in yesterday's enquiry. Barzalona was offered the opportunity to comment on Frankie Dettori's version of events, at which point he simply confirmed to the stewards that he had nothing to add to Dettori's analysis".
Personally, I feel that the BHA should be instructing its stewards to take a more rigorous approach to such matters. If you wave through results like yesterday's, the message to jockeys is that they are allowed to bump their opponents in the closing stages, provided they can then win by enough of a margin as to enable them to claim they'd have won anyway.
12.46pm Relive an epic finish to yesterday's Gold Cup
Here's the At The Races footage of yesterday's big race, in which Frankie Dettori turned his month around by lifting Colour Vision to a half-length success over Opinion Poll.
ASCOT GOLD CUP http://bit.ly/PGSoMA
The race was not without its controversy, relating to the subsequent stewards' inquiry, which we'll talk about in a moment
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