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horse racing is the most honest sport on the planet, this thread is libelous (NAP)
If you're going to start a thread like that at least present your own thoughts rather than ju sthe one word which doesn't do you any favours.
i know several that know nothing other than what's in the formbook and make a regular profit, so it cant be as corrupt as many believe
OP,
I hope, you can back up your statement with some hard evidence.
Making throw away comments , can land you in deep water even on a anonymous forum .
I hope, you can back up your statement with some hard evidence.
Making throw away comments , can land you in deep water even on a anonymous forum .
Hallo GG ,
Just giving the guy some friendly advise.
That is all I am saying on the subject.
Just giving the guy some friendly advise.
That is all I am saying on the subject.
tell me which business isn't and hasn't been since the beginning of time pls ?
When people like Chris Bell (ex CEO Ladbrokes), whose businesses rely heavily on betting turnover, claim that racing is corrupt then you have to take notice. I know that the article is old (2004) but honestly, does anyone really believe that 'racing' is less corrupt now than when Bell said these things?
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/racing-ladbrokes-chiefs-news-for-punters-at-least-one-race-every-day-is-fixed-6168882.html
Racing: Ladbrokes chief's news for punters: 'At least one race every day is fixed'
The integrity of British horseracing was seriously undermined yesterday when the head of the country's biggest bookmaker claimed that at least one race a day is being fixed.
The Ladbrokes chief executive, Chris Bell, has become the most high-profile figure in the racing industry to allege widespread corruption which he said was linked to the booming internet-based "exchange" betting sector, which is worth an estimated £1bn a year.
His claims that owners and often poorly-paid jockeys and stable staff may be profiting from betting exchanges by conspiring to make certain horses lose in races will put further pressure on the Jockey Club, the racing industry's ruling body
Exchanges work by providing a platform for pitting an individual - offering odds on a race - against the punter and charging a commission on the transaction.
Controversy surrounds betting exchanges such as the market leader Betfair because they allow customers to set the odds on a horse to lose, which, their critics say, encourages corruption from within the racing industry.
Critics say the rise of betting exchanges have coincided with an increase in the number of incidents of "nobbling" horses which could involve removing blinkers from a nervous mount, fitting its shoes poorly or simply sending it out unfit.
The majority of questionable deals surround little-known runners and riders at unglamorous meets.
Mr Bell, who is also the vice-chairman of the Association of British Bookmakers, will tell The Money Programme on BBC2 next Tuesday: "I am personally convinced [by what I have read and listened to] that at least a race a day, if not more, is now being corrupted by the availability of laying horses to lose on betting exchanges."
His comments come after Clive Reams, chief executive of the National Joint Pitch Council, which represents trackside bookies, told a parliamentary committee that races were fixed on a "race-by-race" basis. He claimed that one in seven - or about 1,400 races per year - were affected.
Concerns about race-fixing were heightened two months ago when a Sunday newspaper made claims that the champion jockey Kieren Fallon was acting as a "Mr Fixit" in a betting scam.
Days later, a journeyman jump jockey, Sean Fox, apparently jumped from his mount, Ice Saint, at Fontwell. Both incidents are under investigation but the Jockey Club said yesterday that it hoped to make a breakthrough in the next month.
Mr Bell's comments form part of the high street bookmakers' intense lobbying of government to protect its share of the £23bn gambling industry ahead of the Gambling Bill due to be introduced next summer with the intention of modernising the entire industry from bookmakers to casinos.
The established bookmakers have urged the Government to introduce a licensing system for "non-recreational" layers of bets which it defines as those setting the odds for more than two races or making a daily profit of more than £1,000.
Earlier this year, the Jockey Club introduced rules banning jockeys, trainers and owners from "laying" odds online on their own horses and several cases are pending against individuals alleged to have breached these. Bookmakers agreed last year to hand over client details to the Jockey Club in cases of suspicious betting.
Christopher Foster, the Jockey Club's executive director said: "Without seeing the programme, we do not know the context in which the reported remarks were made. It could be that it was a throw-away comment, because we know of no basis on which he could make such a claim."
Mark Davies, director of communications for Betfair, told the programme: "We've put the punter back in control, we've offered him choice and value that he hasn't had for 40 years."
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/racing-ladbrokes-chiefs-news-for-punters-at-least-one-race-every-day-is-fixed-6168882.html
Racing: Ladbrokes chief's news for punters: 'At least one race every day is fixed'
The integrity of British horseracing was seriously undermined yesterday when the head of the country's biggest bookmaker claimed that at least one race a day is being fixed.
The Ladbrokes chief executive, Chris Bell, has become the most high-profile figure in the racing industry to allege widespread corruption which he said was linked to the booming internet-based "exchange" betting sector, which is worth an estimated £1bn a year.
His claims that owners and often poorly-paid jockeys and stable staff may be profiting from betting exchanges by conspiring to make certain horses lose in races will put further pressure on the Jockey Club, the racing industry's ruling body
Exchanges work by providing a platform for pitting an individual - offering odds on a race - against the punter and charging a commission on the transaction.
Controversy surrounds betting exchanges such as the market leader Betfair because they allow customers to set the odds on a horse to lose, which, their critics say, encourages corruption from within the racing industry.
Critics say the rise of betting exchanges have coincided with an increase in the number of incidents of "nobbling" horses which could involve removing blinkers from a nervous mount, fitting its shoes poorly or simply sending it out unfit.
The majority of questionable deals surround little-known runners and riders at unglamorous meets.
Mr Bell, who is also the vice-chairman of the Association of British Bookmakers, will tell The Money Programme on BBC2 next Tuesday: "I am personally convinced [by what I have read and listened to] that at least a race a day, if not more, is now being corrupted by the availability of laying horses to lose on betting exchanges."
His comments come after Clive Reams, chief executive of the National Joint Pitch Council, which represents trackside bookies, told a parliamentary committee that races were fixed on a "race-by-race" basis. He claimed that one in seven - or about 1,400 races per year - were affected.
Concerns about race-fixing were heightened two months ago when a Sunday newspaper made claims that the champion jockey Kieren Fallon was acting as a "Mr Fixit" in a betting scam.
Days later, a journeyman jump jockey, Sean Fox, apparently jumped from his mount, Ice Saint, at Fontwell. Both incidents are under investigation but the Jockey Club said yesterday that it hoped to make a breakthrough in the next month.
Mr Bell's comments form part of the high street bookmakers' intense lobbying of government to protect its share of the £23bn gambling industry ahead of the Gambling Bill due to be introduced next summer with the intention of modernising the entire industry from bookmakers to casinos.
The established bookmakers have urged the Government to introduce a licensing system for "non-recreational" layers of bets which it defines as those setting the odds for more than two races or making a daily profit of more than £1,000.
Earlier this year, the Jockey Club introduced rules banning jockeys, trainers and owners from "laying" odds online on their own horses and several cases are pending against individuals alleged to have breached these. Bookmakers agreed last year to hand over client details to the Jockey Club in cases of suspicious betting.
Christopher Foster, the Jockey Club's executive director said: "Without seeing the programme, we do not know the context in which the reported remarks were made. It could be that it was a throw-away comment, because we know of no basis on which he could make such a claim."
Mark Davies, director of communications for Betfair, told the programme: "We've put the punter back in control, we've offered him choice and value that he hasn't had for 40 years."
Well I've never heard anyone on RUK or ATR say its anything other than straight and they should know.
Chris Bell obviously couldn't take into account the amount of AW Racing we have now when he said only one a day..
Fresh Box - you're worse than Nick O'Teen in those old smoking adverts 
You've just hoofed a bouncer in the balls and ran away, starting a riot in your conspicuous absence
Which imbecile are you hoping will be the prize plum, that picks up your gauntlet and gets banned?
You've just hoofed a bouncer in the balls and ran away, starting a riot in your conspicuous absence
Which imbecile are you hoping will be the prize plum, that picks up your gauntlet and gets banned?
Its painfully obvious and seems to be legal now
Other day i watched a top yard , very upstanding trainer and jockey run a horse downfield in a maiden on its third run ,
It found every "wall" going all the way round then was taken wide on the bend before a little vigour once race was over , this horse was having a third run , will get a easy mark and win a small h,cap soon .
This horse never ran on its merits , and its acceptable in uk racing
Other day i watched a top yard , very upstanding trainer and jockey run a horse downfield in a maiden on its third run ,
It found every "wall" going all the way round then was taken wide on the bend before a little vigour once race was over , this horse was having a third run , will get a easy mark and win a small h,cap soon .
This horse never ran on its merits , and its acceptable in uk racing
I agree G2D. Probably an underestimate then and certainly an underestimate today.
GG,
In today's world , making erroneous statements without hard facts could get the individual into a lot of trouble .
I know you like getting the last word ,I was just giving free advise to the OP.
In today's world , making erroneous statements without hard facts could get the individual into a lot of trouble .
I know you like getting the last word ,I was just giving free advise to the OP.
Or we could stand by and do nothing tutan , the facts are there with the amount of convictions in recent years.
OP isnt mentioning any names just stating a fact
OP isnt mentioning any names just stating a fact
that can be said for the majority of large institutions or organisations,its human nature
tutan - it's not about having the last word (honest). The OP has said nothing he can possibly be taken to task for. 'Racing' is corrupt and those with responsibility for doing something about it appear either unable or unwilling to do so.
It's one thing accusing racing of being corrupt but quite another to gather specific information that it is corrupt. Think closely about it, most of the complaints concern opinions and impressions gained from watching racing and betting movements but actually producing evidence in a court of law is almost impossible. It was probably better when stewards had the right to quietly punish those they thought were cheating instead of laying themselves open to expensive law suits thrown at them on every accusation.
Sorry guys,i didn't say Horse Racing,i meant a different type of Racing,ah well
nonsence, but theres a 5 horsxxx xxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxx x xxxxxxxxxxxxx and that a fact.
duncan idaho, yep, got a result that i should have not had to get, and had a good day a the horses.
50-1 outsiders have been winning races for years, previously the bookies loved it because they didn't have to pay out on the favourites.
Now these '****' horses are making them less money because people are using the exchanges more. Is Chris Bell (re;Gerry Gallbladder's post) trying to stand up for the punter or is it he upset because the bookies are losing market share?
Now these '****' horses are making them less money because people are using the exchanges more. Is Chris Bell (re;Gerry Gallbladder's post) trying to stand up for the punter or is it he upset because the bookies are losing market share?
Denhaag - Bell was obviously bleating because the bookies were losing market share. Imo he was still right about corruption though.
GG, tell me, where money is concerned, and the opportunity arrives, how many refuse, in what ever, even the church collection is not immune.
The handicap system encourages corruption,it's nothing new.
rintintin,the oldest and most used statment in corruption.
if it is corrupt, and i watch hundreds of races (i think some rides and races look very dodgy!) then just watch and dont have a bet. simple?
5 runner race, jockey on the 3rd horse tells the trainer we will beat the 2 infront next time, but not sure about beating the 2 behind. That's where we are in racing now.
op is talking sh!te, sure the bha watch over everything so how can there be corruption?
Denhaag 31 May 12 21:39
Is Chris Bell (re;Gerry Gallbladder's post) trying to stand up for the punter or is it he upset because the bookies are losing market share?
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He ain't bothered - because he has been gone from Lad brokes for 2 years
Mr Bell, who earned £2.04m last year, including £617,000 basic pay and a £957,000 bonus, will not get a pay-off but will receive the remainder of his one-year contract when he leaves
He was more aware than most of how the bookmaking industry had changed, saying in 2006:
“I did think when I arrived here there’d be a small office, with some Zephyr 6s parked outside and everyone would be wearing sheepskin coats and trilby hats.
You think where this business is now. It’s hugely technology based.”
Is Chris Bell (re;Gerry Gallbladder's post) trying to stand up for the punter or is it he upset because the bookies are losing market share?
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He ain't bothered - because he has been gone from Lad brokes for 2 years
Mr Bell, who earned £2.04m last year, including £617,000 basic pay and a £957,000 bonus, will not get a pay-off but will receive the remainder of his one-year contract when he leaves
He was more aware than most of how the bookmaking industry had changed, saying in 2006:
“I did think when I arrived here there’d be a small office, with some Zephyr 6s parked outside and everyone would be wearing sheepskin coats and trilby hats.
You think where this business is now. It’s hugely technology based.”
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