Black Caviar: British/Irish trainers will sleep easy after

No idea.

Easiest £200,000 potted in a very long time.

It will have a solo at Ascot running against rubbish handicappers trained mainly by AW tricksters,everybody knows that sprinters are a load of tosh,they can run twice a week every week and be trained by imbeciles.Its a hell of a long time since a top horse ran in a sprint in England or Ireland or France either.The best horses on the flat run at 1m and up to 1m 4f,who gives two fukks about some Australian mare winning nothing races,if it ever happened to run against Frankel then it would get beat out of sight.

Whatever happens at Ascot, Newmarket or possibly Goodwood, Black Caviar, her trainer and all connections should be applauded for her record and for travelling over to England for everyone to see in the flesh and race. Those that choose to knock her and undermine what she has achieved are not true lovers of horse racing and a bit sad really. Secondly as the trainer said why should she run against Frankel and similarly why should Frankel race against Black Caviar. Lets just enjoy two exceptional racehorses.

Nonsense! What I saw was an exercise canter. She was never asked to quicken and didn't have more than a blow out

Spot on.

Now what hope do you think of Frankel connections bringing their horse over to Aus and risking it gets beaten for whatever reason ie:(If it doesn't travel well)etc ....and contesting a Cox Plate for huge prize-money? Against our also-rans.

I'll reserve judgement on this mornings race till we hear from the uber authoritvie figure on all things Black Caviar Matt Chapman if he says it was a breath taking canter that'll do for me but i can't see him been 2 happy her not pulling away from a moderate handicapper.

Do they have a Group 1 race every day in Oz?

Black Caviar seems a very straightforward racehorse, uncommonly relaxed for a sprinter, and this has surely been a factor in her being able to run every other week....Frankel, on the other hand, has always been rather headstrong, and thus has to be handled/campaigned altogether differently.

Does this mean she will not take Quevega on next March.

Morphettville last 600m
Black Caviar (34.06 / 23.06 / 11.89)
We're Gonna Rock (33.69 / 22.77 / 11.74)
Bonnie Mac (34.51 / 22.98 / 11.82)

A joke of a thread from AD, what do you want from her exactly ? there not gonna give her a hard race pre Ascot, simply never out of first gear. You d think people would be relishing in watching this amazing racehorse after 21 wins on the spin not knocking her, crazy and very sad. Also fair play to connections for coming to the other side of the world to race her, Cecil and co havent even got the balls to go the the states for the breeders.

But seriously She is a machine and it's just over 5/4 the double Frankle(Lockinge)& Black Caviar(Diamond Jubilee) Looks like stealing money.

If she doesn't travel well and gets beaten... or for any other reason.....1.01 he posts a boasting ridiculing thread.

The Istabraq i was pulling there legs, They wind us up over Frankel we wind them up over Skippy...sorry i meant Black Caviar

It's this turnng around, I'm i been wound up here has this become a fishing thread

The standard ....I was only fishing reply.....

We all know you will take great delight in seeing her defeated.

he was fishing

She more than likely has never beaten a horse yet,sprinters are rubbish horses who normally lack consistency,black caviar admittedly does buck that trend spectacularly.Australian racing is like any version of Australian sport,its rubbish.So You Think was supposed to be a wonder horse until he arrived over here,then we realise he is not as unbeatable as these Aussie clowns thought he was.English sprinters are dirt as are the Irish and French.Look at the group 1 sprinting winners over recent years and you will find a hall of fame of shame.Black Caviar is a good sprinter who runs against rubbish ones,so what.

No i wouldn't, i had free ticket to go to Morphywhereveritis. I have a cousin who works with the S.A.Jockey club she asked me did i want to come over they where having an irish day around Aug/Sept or did i want to see the best racehorse in the world running. I was diassapointed when i found out Frankel wasn't going to be there. .

Have any of your best flat racing horses ever been undefeated for 21 starts?

When was the last time a horse anywhere in the world over any flat distance raced 21 times for no defeats....(184?).....if it is so easy to do by simply beating inferior horses?

when was the last time?  .... january rapid redux hit 22

21 STARTS IN 5 YEARS We've had horses running over here like Provideo that have won 16 races in a row  as 2 year old

Rapid Redux ....42 Starts, 28 Wins.(22 wins straight)

Sorry BC UNDEFEATED 21/21 times....TRUMPS IT.

Didn't bother looking up the other one. it  won 16 probably beaten sometime as well.

Sorry BC UNDEFEATED 21/21 times....TRUMPS IT.

that wasn't the question, you asked when it was last done

i'm not comparing them, you are

When was the last time a horse anywhere in the world over any flat distance raced 21 times for no defeats....(184?).....if it is so easy to do by simply beating inferior horses?

january

21/22 after Frankel

He never touched the horse and she won with her head in her chest. I hope she comes to Ascot and trounces the opposition.  By the way I am not from Oz

i hope it comes too trickie and i hope she wins, AD has wound them up to breaking point they are gagging on their tinnies

I think she'll do better if The owners give her to Sir Henry Cecil after Royal Ascot. Then we'll see how good she really is, a hop and a skip over to France or Ireland to take on the best then on to the USA for the Breeders Cup instead of going back to Oz with Pedar Mooby or whatever he's called to just run in mickey mouse handicaps.

i think frankel should go to oz to race over 6f. if hes doesnt hes crap and a wasted career. cecil is a bottler.

what are the ratings of the horses she is beating , i am just interested to know as i have no info ?

18  1-1111  Black Caviar0   6 9-0 Peter G Moody  Luke Nolen  —  — 144
brown mare Bel Esprit — Helsinge (Desert Sun (GB))

G J Wilkie, Mrs K J Wilkie et al

  DATE RACE CONDITIONS WGT RACE OUTCOME JOCKEY OR TS RPR
12May12    Mor 6Gd G1 210K  9-0 1/9 (1¼L We're Gonna Rock 8-11) 1/20F  Luke Nolen  — * *
28Apr12    Mor 6GS G1 167K  8-13 1/10 (4½L Sistine Angel 8-13) 1/20F  Luke Nolen  — * *
18Feb12    Fle 5Gd G1 297K  8-13 1/9 (1¾L Hay List 9-3) 1/10F  Luke Nolen  — * *
11Feb12    Cau 7GS G1 159K  9-0 1/9 (3¼L Southern Speed 9-0) 1/20F  Luke Nolen  — * *
27Jan12    Moo 6Gd G2 82K  8-13 1/6 (4¼L Zedi Knight 9-3) 1/20F  Luke Nolen  — * *
05Nov11    Fle 6Gd G1 393K  8-13 1/7 (2¾L Buffering 9-3) 1/25F  Luke Nolen  — * *



22  5-1030  Catapulted0 b   7 8-13 Mark Kavanagh  Glen Boss  —  — 130
chestnut gelding Catbird — Siren Miss (Umatilla (NZ))

Mrs I P Kavanagh, J D Dollman Et Al


12May12    Mor 6Gd G1 210K  8-13 9/9 (16L Black Caviar 9-0) b 40/1  Glen Boss  — * *
28Apr12    Mor 6GS HcG3 48K  9-3 11/13 (7¼L Outlandish Lad 9-0) b 6/1  Mark Pegus  — * *
14Apr12    Mor 6Gd G3 48K  9-3 3/9 (1L We're Gonna Rock 9-3) b 4/1  Mark Pegus  — * *
02Jan12    Fle 6Gd HcG3 79K  9-4 1/15 (3L Cascabel 8-7) b 11/5F  Michael Rodd  — * *
29Oct11    Fle 6GS HcG2 118K  8-10 5/14 (1¼L Sister Madly 8-8) b 14/1  Michael Rodd  — * *
08May11    Mor 6Gd G1 145K  8-13 9/18 (4½L Lone Rock 8-3) b 6/1  Damien Oliver  — * *



37  331131  Outlandish Lad0 b   7 8-11 Dennis O´Leary  Damien Oliver  —  — 135
grey gelding Fantastic Light (USA) — Quantum Leap (Regal Classic (CAN))

D A & Mrs J A Gommers Et Al


12May12    Mor 6Gd G1 210K  8-11 6/9 (10½L Black Caviar 9-0) b 40/1  Damien Oliver  — * *
28Apr12    Mor 6GS HcG3 48K  9-0 1/13 (1½L Kulgrinda 8-7) 20/1  Damian Browne  — * *
09Mar09    Mor 6Gd 3yG2 62K  8-13 8/9 (4¼L Champagne Harmony 8-8) 9/1  Chad Lever  — * *



46  /8-116  We´re Gonna Rock0 tb   6 8-11 Mark Kavanagh  Michael Rodd  —  — 131
bay gelding Fastnet Rock — Harrow (Dehere (USA))

T J Torcasio, A Torcasio Et Al


12May12    Mor 6Gd G1 210K  8-11 2/9 (1¼L Black Caviar 9-0) tb 25/1  Michael Rodd  — * *
28Apr12    Mor 6GS HcG3 48K  9-0 6/13 (3¾L Outlandish Lad 9-0) b 29/20F  Chad Lever  — * *
14Apr12    Mor 6Gd G3 48K  9-3 1/9 (¾L First Command 9-3) b 2/1F  Chad Lever  — * *
26Feb11    Cau 7Gd G1 197K  9-4 8/10 (6¾L More Joyous 9-0) tb 25/1  Michael Rodd  — * *
30Oct10    Fle 7Hy HcG3 84K  8-7 5/12 (3L Poor Judge 8-11) tb 10/1  Michael Rodd  — * *
09Oct10    Cau 8Gd HcG1 117K  8-6 2/15 (½L More Joyous 9-2) tb 11/1  Michael Rodd  — * *



59  157-47  Streetcar Magic0 b1   6 8-11 David Jolly  Justin Potter  —  — 129
bay gelding Blevic — Stellar Fille (Filante (NZ))

G E Baker, S R Doyle Et Al


12May12    Mor 6Gd G1 210K  8-11 5/9 (6¾L Black Caviar 9-0) b 70/1  Justin Potter  — * *
28Apr12    Mor 6GS HcG3 48K  8-11 7/13 (5L Outlandish Lad 9-0) 9/1  Justin Potter  — * *
14Apr12    Mor 6Gd G3 48K  9-3 4/9 (3L We're Gonna Rock 9-3) 17/1  Justin Potter  — * *
08May11    Mor 6Gd G1 145K  8-10 5/18 (2½L Lone Rock 8-3) 30/1  Justin Potter  — * *
16Apr11    Mor 6Gd G3 47K  8-8 1/11 (nse Valentine Miss 8-5) 8/1  Justin Potter  — * *



63  5-1213  Go The Knuckle0   4 8-10 Mark Minervini  Shayne Cahill  —  — 131
bay gelding Elvstroem — Zefta (Zeditave)

R I Chapman, M L Pavlich et al


12May12    Mor 6Gd G1 210K  8-10 7/9 (11L Black Caviar 9-0) 30/1  Shayne Cahill  — * *
28Apr12    Mor 6GS HcG3 48K  8-7 3/13 (1½L Outlandish Lad 9-0) 13/2  Jason Holder  — * *
12Mar12    Mor 6Gd 3yG2 105K  9-1 1/10 (1¼L Satin Shoes 8-10) 17/1  Shayne Cahill  — * *



74  2-2104  Stirling Grove0 b  5 8-8 Richard Jolly  Paul Gatt  —  — 133
bay gelding Mossman — Kalamata (Desert Prince (IRE))

L Baring, J Naffine Et Al



12May12    Mor 6Gd G1 210K  8-8 3/9 (4¼L Black Caviar 9-0) b 30/1  Paul Gatt  — * *
28Apr12    Mor 6GS HcG3 48K  8-11 4/13 (2L Outlandish Lad 9-0) b 11/1  Paul Gatt  — * *
25Feb12    Cau 6Gd HcG1 159K  8-3 12/17 (3L Woorim 8-10) b 50/1  Daniel Moor  — * *
29Oct11    Fle 6GS HcG2 118K  8-3 8/14 (2L Sister Madly 8-8) b 8/1  Craig A Williams  — * *
08Oct11    Cau 5GS G2 79K  9-3 3/8 (4¾L Black Caviar 8-13) b 30/1  Damien Oliver  — * *
08May11    Mor 6Gd G1 145K  8-5 13/18 (6L Lone Rock 8-3) b 30/1  Paul Gatt  — * *



85  00-547  Stanzout0 b  10 8-8 Colin Davies  Dwayne Dunn  —  — 123
grey gelding Gallo Di Ferro (USA) — Stanza Grey (Mentat Duke)

R A & Mrs K Waldron Et Al


12May12    Mor 6Gd G1 210K  8-8 4/9 (6¼L Black Caviar 9-0) b 200/1  Dwayne Dunn  — * *
29Oct11    Fle 6GS HcG2 118K  8-6 14/14 (10½L Sister Madly 8-8) b 150/1  Danny Nikolic  — * *
30Jul11    Cau 6GS G3 49K  9-3 3/8 (2L Mid Summer Music 8-13) b 16/1  Dwayne Dunn  — * *
23Oct10    Moo 6GS G2 102K  9-3 6/6 (10L Black Caviar 8-13) tb 50/1  Craig A Williams  — * *
24Sep10    Moo 6Gd G1 170K  9-3 6/8 (5¾L Hay List 9-3) tb 60/1  Craig A Williams  — * *
31Jul10    Cau 6GS G3 42K  9-3 2/10 (½L Shoot Out 9-2) b 12/1  Craig A Williams  — * *



91  667345  Weholdtheace0  6 8-8 Craig Stewart  Joe Bowditch  —  — —

^ As i said AVERAGE HANDICAPPERS

love how your fishing has biten you on ya asre, your reputation is zilch, remember that

I'll give the Aussies their due they don't molly coddle their horses, 21 victories and counting, if an English and Irish trainer had Black Caviar the price of cotton wool on the global market would sky rocket.

Choose another pic Megs,bored with that one.

megsy Joined: 01 Aug 11
your reputation is zilch, remember that

Not if BC won 50 races in a row her reputation will never be as good as mine

http://bit.ly/9yziy6

Thanks.

Come on fess up.....praying for her to lose a race soon.

silvergreaser Joined: 11 Feb 10

I'll give the Aussies their due they don't molly coddle their horses, 21 victories and counting


For feck sake Silver shes a 6 year old. Spindrifter and Provideo had  nearlyran that many as 2 year olds

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your reputation is zilch, remember that

Not if BC won 50 races in a row her reputation will never be as good as mine

http://bit.ly/9yziy6



pffft, took a stone and a half weight advantage to red rum, racing in his off season, travelling 39 hours to beat him.
yes we dont ever have any good horses, you lot are knockers of the unknown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiGaX0d_Pjk

I really hope Black Caviar finishes in the first 6 so they get some sort of prie money to brign home, even if it's a thousand quid stg. I think the rate is something like £1 =AUS$500:00

Those million quid handicaps she keeps winning is equivalent to a £2,000 handicap around Southwell

are they that much at southwell

the imbecile handing out ratings for the horses she's beaten, you've conveniently over looked Hay List, rated 132, equal rated with Danedream, won the arc didn't it? must be a fair animal (according to timeform)

1 point below Excelebration, Frankel's main rival, out of an australian bred sprinting sensation.. yep ok I can see how good these ratings are already

also to the halfwit claiming she's never beaten any consistent horse, look at Hay List's record, consistently he runs 2nd to the great mare, she beat him last time by running a furlong in under 10 seconds, now I know you lot are vulnerable to being delusional and it's obviously the case here, I also know you don't have sectional times there, yet claim to have the best racing in the world.. anyways let's not talk about the facts here

for those wondering how relative it is that she ran a furlong in under 10, well let's put it this way.. no horse has ever been recorded doing it before, ever

I have heard every excuse under the sun, although the sun doesn't shine too often over there, i've still heard everything you got and i'm yet to hear a logical one

to avoid future embarrassment you can PM me and we can discuss it there

great work AD, they're all foaming at the mouth, i'd love to see an advert where peter moody phones those two mugs up and asks for advice on beating the mighty frankel....toodleloo

She wouldn't even beat Chachamaidee let alone Frankel.

no wonder she kept on beating hay list....he's had a dodgy knee for god knows how long

scraped home vs midas touch and efficient at caulfield...what a joke. MIDAS TOUCH??? was 2nd in a st leger ffs.

Let it ELG i think they are all gone to bed

This thing had better win when it comes to Ascot. Jesus, there'll be earthquakes caused by this forum if not.

you lot are deluded

you wish you were capable of breeding something half as fast which could win a group 1 on the bridle against superior sprinters to yours

May 12, 2012 -- 3:25PM, John_Cherry wrote:

This thing had better win when it comes to Ascot. Jesus, there'll be earthquakes caused by this forum if not.

as I said in another thread, people are hoping she breaks down mid-race so they can rest at ease knowing the fastest horse in the world has been defeated

^
you're fecking kidding aren't you....we don't want any bloody excuses.

which horse do you have which can possibly beat it, I wanna see someone make the prediction, instead of hoping she gets beat, let's hear it

who can possibly beat this freak? Nolen never even moved on her today

More nasty filth from Eddie,sign in if you want to see the horse get injured,i don't.

AD is only fishing anyway, thought he was serious at first

I just watched the reply, he never at any stage asked for an extra effort

all jokes aside, she is a fantastic horse and of course we all want to see her over here burning up the ascot straight, i must confess that my problem comes with the superlatives every time she crosses the line....greatest thing on planet earth......equine superstar of the whole planet....from the commentators, it's all a bit daft, she is the greatest sprinter on the planet, but she probably is not the greatest horse on the planet.

the difference is this, we don't care for other horses on the other side of the world, the main argument is that she's beating the same horses over and over, well if you don't understand the competition how can you be in any position to make that judgement

I would say Frankel is beating nothing, what's he beating? a horse bred by an aussie sprinting sire over a mile? I would say he's not beating much myself but i'll be honest, I don't know the competition well enough to make that remark

she's the best here, she kills the opposition time and time again, all you lot care for is "oh frankel's better then her", noone here cares about that, it cannot be proven and probably won't ever be proven who the better horse is, simply because timeform releases a listing of the best rated international horses and has frankel on top, that don't mean squat, how do you compare sprinters to middle distance horses, how does Hay List have a rating equal with the most recent arc winner, if the arc is one of the biggest races on the european calendar, shouldn't the winner be rated higher then a horse who is in the eyes of the biased english mugs "just another sprinter" and if that horse isn't just another sprinter, shouldn't that lay rest to claims that she is beating nothing?

the average punter here wouldn't have the slightest idea what a timeform is, the only comparison you could make would be sectionals but low and behold, you guys with your "best in the world horse racing" don't have sectional times

so the next comparison you could make is who wins easier, Frankel being flogged to the line with ears bent right back, or Black Caviar being pulled up to a canter with ears pricked?

this horse you call the best in the world was nearly beaten at Ascot due to your own style of incompetency with your pacemakers and the like, here there are no pacemakers, the best horse normally wins, so when she rolls into Ascot, don't think no pacemaker is gonna save you guys with this beast

If that wins the KIngs Stand I will challenge Usain Bolt to a hundred metre dash on hot coals!

I am English and i think she is wonderful

You thought Choiser was good? This mare would pick him up and carry him based on their Australian form... @#$% me, based on their Australian form, Hay List would wipe the floor with Choiser... Black Caviar is two levels above Choisir. There will be no excuses if she's beaten. But I very much doubt she will be ;)

Anaglogs put it ths way 13 victories since Feb 2011 thats a little over a year and still counting!.

It is a shame though that she will not be running against our classic standard horses. 6f is a bit like 20/20 cricket over here. Its not really taken seriously.

Not her fault she's a sprinter, I bet she won't come off the bridle to beat the jumped up handicappers that masquerade as sprnters n Britain, if she's the better side of 1/1 money at Royal Ascot she'll be the bet of the century.

She has been trained as a sprinter. Very really do our great horses not make at least great milers. Moody has kept to shorter distances which is very disappointing really. She should be as effective at a mile. We race our 2 year olds at 6f to progress and mature at a mile if the are capable. She is will be racing against classic cast offs who never made the grade at a mile or improving handicappers. Its a farce for a horse of her ability.

black caviar is a sprinter.frankel is a middle distance horse and should not be expected to return to sprinting to take on black caviar.real test of horse is to display both speed and stamina.

the excuses already

Always good to see the aussies soft under belly...a familiar trait...

Frankel i'd say is 5 lengths better then Black Caviar over a mile, over 7 Furlongs not as good only about 3L .... Hope this helps

nah it doesn't help, what else you got in the fishing bag?

Frankel would beat it over 5 at Chester!

the difference is this, we don't care for other horses on the other side of the world.
Says it all Eddie.

He is my aussie stalker,can't get enough of me.A bit worrying tbh.

He spends hours reading this forum because there are only 10 regulars on theirs.That's why a few of us go and liven it up a bit.A charitable act i would say.

They have a Kiwi bred horse,that's why they are confident...

you see busvaldnoidea, all kiwis aspires to be australian

russell crowe, keith urban, phar lap.. just to name a select few

you can hardly blame this dual cox-plate winner for aspiring to be australian, once he wins a good race or 2 overseas he will reach those dreams

until then, he's not ours

Excuses in early....
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"It would be an absolute tragedy if she went there and got beaten by your B-grade sprinters for half the prize money and (travelling) three-quarters of the way around the world."
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http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16227086

All you delusional Aussies were spunking yourselves mad over SYT who since moving to GB is just another group 1 horse not the complete superstar you all made him out to be. Black Caviar is beating trees in Aus and she probably will come over here and win sprints. But no1 cares about **** old sprints over here! Prove herself over a mile against the likes of Frankel and then re assess the situation.

£100m Frankel could test Timeform's ratings on his Newbury comeback

Chris Cook
guardian.co.uk

Frankel is already regarded as the best current racehorse in the world and could have been retired to stud, but a big enough win at Newbury on Saturday could lift his all-time ranking significantly

Frankel, the best racehorse in the world and one of the most exciting there has ever been, returns to action on Saturday. When he steps on to the Newbury turf, it will be an extraordinary moment and not just because the spectators will have the unusual experience of looking at an animal who is more valuable than the grandstand, which hardly ever happens away from Bangor or maybe Fakenham.

A horse of Frankel's ability is supposed to be at stud by now, earning a healthy income of, say, £50,000 per mare covered at an annual rate of more than 100 mares each year. Sending him back to the track for another summer is a purely sporting decision by his owner, Khalid Abdullah, because this is a horse whose reputation and value are all but unimprovable.

Bloodstock agents, asked to assess Frankel's worth before his most recent race in October, came up with a figure of £100m. For that to go up, he would probably have to prove his ability as a sire, which cannot happen until his sons and daughters hit the track in four years.

Wonderhorse is frequently bandied about in the spring of every Flat season, usually in relation to some callow three-year-old who is sure to let his supporters down at some point. Frankel gives the term renewed potency because, in his case, its use is not appropriately answered by a cynical smirk. His is the talent in which even the most hard-hearted hack is prepared to believe.

Even so, a cool, clear-eyed assessment is expected from the analysts at Timeform, the respected publishing firm that has been rating racehorses for almost 70 years. "Everybody here, old and young, believe he's the best we've ever seen," says Jamie Lynch, their chief correspondent.

That, however, is not quite the official position. Frankel has only the fourth-highest rating (143) in the history of Timeform and Lynch would clearly enjoy giving Frankel the biggest number yet, though he insists he is "not just going to do that, willy-nilly".

"The problem is, it could be more about his opportunities than his ability and he's going to need some help from his contemporaries if he's to get to that figure. The good news is that there's some top-class horses out there who could allow him to express his true ability.

"There's Excelebration and Cirrus Des Aigles, who are both on 133, and then there's Black Caviar [136]. If Frankel beats any one of those good horses this year by five or six lengths, that will take him into realms that no horse has ever been into in Timeform's history."

Excelebration is among those due to oppose Frankel in next Saturday's Lockinge Stakes, so Lynch's hopes could be fulfilled in a matter of days. And yet he is concerned about whether the horse will be remembered with the right degree of reverence.

"It's a bit disappointing that the campaign that's been mapped out for him is only in Britain, so far. I'd love to see him prove his worth on another stage and he'll maybe be undermined slightly if he doesn't do that. We all believe he could win almost any race at any distance on any surface."

When a horse repeatedly lines up for races in conditions that are known to suit him, rather than being tested in a new way, those close to him usually justify their conservatism by saying they are doing what's best for him. "But," says Lynch, "doing best by the horse is giving him the chance to show himself in the best possible light."

He would like to see Frankel turn up for the Breeders' Cup Classic in America in November, or the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe in France in October. Neither is favoured as a target by Lord Grimthorpe, Abdullah's racing manager, who says: "He'll follow the agenda that he shows us he is most capable of doing."

After the Lockinge, that means Frankel will go to Royal Ascot for the Queen Anne, or the Prince of Wales if it is decided he is ready to step up from a mile to a mile and a quarter. His most likely races thereafter are the Eclipse at Sandown in July, York's International in August, which Abdullah sponsors, and the Champion Stakes at Ascot in October.

The most likely targets abroad would be the Irish Champion Stakes in September or the Prix d'Ispahan in France this month if the ground at Newbury turns out to be bottomless, in which case he would miss the Lockinge. "Whatever you do with a horse, people always want more," Grimthorpe sighs. "They say, why don't you run him over six furlongs or a mile and a half, or why didn't you run him in Bucharest? The main thing is, people [connected with other racehorses] have a good idea where he's going and then, if they want to take him on, that would be fine."

Frankel's trainer, Sir Henry Cecil, reports the horse sailed through his last serious pre-Lockinge gallop on Saturday and should be ready for next Saturday's race, despite having missed around 10 days with an injury scare last month. So far as can be established, he has made a complete recovery from the knock he gave one of his legs, which briefly prompted rumours of his retirement.

"All the indications are that it shouldn't be a problem," Grimthorpe says, adding that Frankel appears to have matured in his attitude. "I think you're going to see a slightly more controlled but nevertheless explosive racehorse."Grimthorpe admits to having been "a bit nervous" as he waited for news of the scan that would determine the extent of Frankel's recent injury. That took several days because the horse could not be assessed until inflammation around the site of his knock had reduced.

"When I first said 'haemhorraging', people looked at me like there was blood gushing from his leg," Grimthorpe recalls, "but it was a tiny, tiny little bit that just gives that inflammation. When the vets were happy with it, he went straight to be scanned and thankfully the result was a good one."

He pours cold water on the chance of a meeting between Frankel and Black Caviar, the Australian sensation who achieved her 21st consecutive victory yesterday and is due to visit England this summer. "Funnily enough, I saw Peter Moody [trainer of Black Caviar] in Hong Kong the other day and we joked about it.

"I think both camps understand the big desire to see the two great champions clash but, in reality, Black Caviar's programme looks like it's going to revolve around five to seven furlongs, whereas our programme at the moment is between eight and 10. You can't be all things to all people."

Lucky us! Two exceptional horses to look forward to. Best of luck to both of them. If they both suceed in their chosen races then we have double the memories.

Exactly tippu this Black Caviar vs Frankel is a load of carp, not a chance in the world the horses were ever going to meet, so debating the relative merits is pretty futile, lets just enjoy 2 great horses.

Looking forward to seeing Black Caviar in the flesh at Ascot.
Must say previous P Moody trained sprinters brought to the Royal meeting had the most remarkable physiques.....I recall Mark Johnston commented on these at the time.
They looked like equine professional wrestlers with their pumped up muscular look.

INDEED.

Must be the weather out there,or the carrots.

that moderate performance. Luke shook the reins a couples of times and nothing happened. A horse rated about 3 stone lower just beat at the line...Frankel would be home and hosed against her. Very disappointing connections i'd say.


That could be the stupidest thing I've read on here

wibble

May 14, 2012 -- 11:55AM, earlycrow wrote:

that moderate performance. Luke shook the reins a couples of times and nothing happened. A horse rated about 3 stone lower just beat at the line...Frankel would be home and hosed against her. Very disappointing connections i'd say.That could be the stupidest thing I've read on here

nahh, i've seen stupider

it's a scary thought I know

bein honest i tought he won a good race the other day. whats the point in pushing a horse and making him tired when you can just sit without moving and still win da same race and have the horse alot less tired ? this thread is ridiculous imo.

frankel has only beaten the same horses over again aswell as black caviar.

another thing if positions were reversed and we had black caviar and they had frankel. this thread would be the exact same but just change the name. i really think that every1 over here is just looking for reasons to hate a great horse.

really in our sport we should embrace a horse like this and not try to pick holes and say hes not good when he clealy is. austrailan sprinters are probably the best in the world anyway and to have them say this horse is the best they ever seen is something you should take notice of. imo he will come over here and hack up and make everybody who doubted him look like fools.

no fecker hates the horse, this is what we can't stick

listen to the bit about her looking to the 30, 000 strong crowd without puking your fecking guts up, what a fecking donut....he sounds like chapman x100000


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EacCn0i5Lps

Duffy that was pretty mild in comparison to shouty man.
The Aussie arrogance doesn't bother me at all in fact I quite like their cockiness.

Could you imagine Shouty Man commentating on a race with Frankel in it?, doesn't bare thinking about!.

i think that he would stop short of greatest thing we've ever seen in the history of the world...or words to that effect.

Agreed a little OTT alright.

duffy, you must understand who the commentator is and where about in australia he commentates

if you don't understand this then you'll never know why he got so worked up about it, I will tell you who he is and why he went absolutely nuts about the race

his name is Hilton Donaldson and he is right up there with the worst race callers we have in Australia, he race calls Adelaide racing, Adelaide racing is a very poor standard of racing, for them to have this mighty mare at the track, well it's probably the best thing that has happened for their racing in a very long time, the race she won isn't exactly a time honored event in itself, well it is.. the race has been around for a long time but the horses who've won the race in recent years (all bar Takeover Target) aren't what you call stellar performers

he isn't the only caller to describe her in that manner but I will agree that it was like he was reading a transcript in the final stages of that race, when they say "the best in the world", I think what they are meaning is best in the world at the particular category she races in, a sprinter, is she not the best sprinter in the world? it's hard to argue against it, that's another discussion for another day

so don't get your panties in a knot and think he's saying she is the best horse to have ever raced on a racetrack, just understand that Adelaide is a place where good horses only ever go when there is alot of prize money on offer, 30 thousand people were there, in the given environment he probably felt the need to get that excited but he did go well over the top, no question

Caller puts art before the horse
May 10, 2012

Black Caviar's epic run showed even veteran commentators can be overawed, writes Richard Hinds.

IT IS probably a bit unfair on Hilton Donaldson, a racecaller in the sporting byway of Adelaide whose work is generally heard by the hardcore punters tuned into Sky Racing, people more interested in what the exacta paid than any fancy embellishment.
Then Black Caviar comes to town for a well-publicised attempt to win her 20th consecutive race and Donaldson is calling a significant event nationally on Channel Seven. The result - as those bemused punters who flooded social media sites with their comments can tell you - was a lesson in how a commentator might handle the big moment. Or, in Donaldson's case, how they can make a meal of it.
At least, in that regard, Donaldson's call was consistent. From the moment the gates opened and he enthused, ''They're off, and the most anticipated race this century is under way,'' the levels of hyperbole and bluster were set to stratospheric.


The grand crescendo came as Black Caviar took the lead in the straight and Donaldson unleashed a stream of apparently premeditated tributes that would have made Sandy Roberts blush: ''She looks at the 30,000-strong crowd and says 'Geez I'm good!' No, I'm not good. I'm the best you've ever seen in the world! Black Caviar. She's not a perfect 10 - she comes on - she's 20 out of 20! Black Caviar four lengths!''
Donaldson is the not the first racecaller to botch a big moment. Wayne Wilson, a usually accurate and entertaining caller from Brisbane, blew one of the great moments in Australian racing - Damien Oliver's Melbourne Cup victory on Media Puzzle. Wilson became hopelessly tangled in the emotion of the occasion, momentarily forgetting the racecaller's prime duty: calling the race. The result pleased neither the theatregoers nor the punters.
That was Wilson's first and last Melbourne Cup for Seven. Presumably, Donaldson will at least get another crack at the difficult art of rising to the big occasion when Seven shows Black Caviar's second run in Adelaide, the Goodwood Handicap, at 4.20pm on Saturday. It is a significant event for racing purists - the brilliant sprinter's last run here before she leaves to compete at Royal Ascot - and for the rest of us because, in a ghoulish way, we can't wait to hear what Donaldson will come up with this time.
Donaldson's attempt to do Black Caviar's unbeaten streak justice highlighted the difficulty for commentators in rising to the big occasion.
Another South Australian, Bruce McAvaney, was once the acknowledged master of the big moment, before his now gratuitously repetitive use of the word ''special'' made him the commentating equivalent of Bart Simpson's ''I didn't do it'' kid - funny the first 2533 times.
McAvaney not only provided a brilliant soundtrack to Cathy Freeman's gold medal run but, inadvertently, the perfect words to accompany Ben Johnson's ''victory'' in the 100 metres in Seoul. Never mind that when McAvaney added the telling comment ''if it's legal'', he was referring to the assistance of the tail wind, not the assistance that comes through a syringe.
As in Donaldson's case, attempts to contrive the right lines for the big moment are usually fraught. At the US Masters, American commentator Jim Nantz - so drippingly saccharine you can develop diabetes just listening to his calls - inevitably tries to mark the moment when the decisive putt goes in the hole with a premeditated one-liner.
That means, so far, there have been at least a dozen ''One for the ages!'', as well as numerous numerical play-on-words - ''A high five for Tiger!'', ''Sweet sixteen!'' - lines Nantz has obviously practised in the make-up mirror all afternoon.
But if some American callers have a penchant for corny overstatement, they have also have developed the best big-moment technique of all: golden silence.
One of the great moments in sport is the final out of the baseball World Series, when the commentators usually go quiet and let the cameras dwell on the players running into each others' arms and collapsing in triumphant piles. It has been tried in Australian sport, although in the background you can hear usually verbose commentators biting bottom lips until they bleed.
Inevitably, the best big-moment calls are spontaneous. Mike Williamson (''Jesaulenko, you beauty!'') uttered the greatest. Stephen Quartermain (''Leo Barry, you star!'') has a contender for runner-up.
Always, the rule should be that if the words do not add anything to the picture, then don't say them.
Donaldson, a usually competent caller, can inform those of us unfamiliar with the silks who is eating Black Caviar's dust. Otherwise, this time, it might be a good idea to let her winged hooves do the talking.

educee, fair play to you , a really good piece that, i must say, i dare not even think of how our own matt chapman would commentate on one of these horses