Have we just seen the Derby Winner??

Laytown more likely AD.

Surely not,Kingsdesire didn`t have the ground neither did Oxford Charley and Uriah Heep ran no race.

Did Astrology show signs of been a star for the future . .I'll get my coat

Form is worthless

Would not like to take the results of races run on ground like this as a guide to the future .

is he a Ledger entry ?

dont think it will go to derby st ledger maybe

not a chance wouldn't come in the first four

Agreed dod,all suspect at this track,nothing impressive about the winner other than he handled the ground although sure he would be better on decent surface.

He actually reminded me of Galileo. Ver well balanced and better ground will improve him. I would send him to epsom to front run and stretch them. Would have a great e/w squeak.

Probably the softest Gr.3 we'll see all season.

Yes but only a handful will handle the camber at Epsom and he is one of them. Send him to Epsom and front run him. Treasure Beach tactics!

Worthless trial, winner may be decent but with ground conditions as they are, a complete waste of time.

Its not worthless if it proves a horses stays on well and handles the sharp turns.

Believe me its worthless!

He actually reminded me of Galileo. Ver well balanced and better ground will improve him. I would send him to epsom to front run and stretch them. Would have a great e/w squeak.

good spot , super looking horse imo

dont look further than camelot , shortest priced derby winner in years

the form is worthless.  he won as he should have, given the opposition.

Who knows how good he is, or will become?

till will tell.

the form is worthless.  he won as he should have, given the opposition.

Who knows how good he is, or will become?

time will tell.

Ballydoyle need a strong pacemaker for the jolly, he'll be there from the front. ala Treaure Beach wont be stopping so it might be a bad idea.

Thats what i said AD !!! you stole my lines

No chance of going for the French Derby as trip would be too short. Impossible to make much of the form but was impressive in that he got the others off the bit very early in the race so would appear to have a very high cruising speed.

Agree Pixie this horse could be  a surprise package and it looks guaranteed he wants a sound surface and i was taken with him.

The surprise for me was his sp today,after the withdrawl of bonfire,I couldn't believe he wasn't 4/9 or 2/5,he was a shoo in on the book.Incredible.

Who knows how good the form is,the opposition were moderate.