Glad you have joined my sentiments, KenO'. Lot of rubbish on here today and nowhere have I seen congratulations for either feat. Thought this was a racing forum?
Glad you have joined my sentiments, KenO'. Lot of rubbish on here today and nowhere have I seen congratulations for either feat. Thought this was a racing forum?
Its not jealousy ya tool.....if they took off the prizemoney that this yard won for him.....then henderson would be the rightful champion.....this yard i may add ......which is nearly 30 miles away.....
Its not jealousy ya tool.....if they took off the prizemoney that this yard won for him.....then henderson would be the rightful champion.....this yard i may add ......which is nearly 30 miles away.....
And you know fukk all if ya think Nicholls trained Rock On Ruby.....he didnt ya tool.....is all Harry Frys prizemoney included under Nicholls?.....yes and it shouldnt be.....henderson is the champion trainer....if right was right.....
And you know fukk all if ya think Nicholls trained Rock On Ruby.....he didnt ya tool.....is all Harry Frys prizemoney included under Nicholls?.....yes and it shouldnt be.....henderson is the champion trainer....if right was right.....
Only interested in fair play ......hate people that take undeserved acclaim......rock on ruby may as easy have run under Hendersons name......he saw as much of the horse as Nicholls did.....
Only interested in fair play ......hate people that take undeserved acclaim......rock on ruby may as easy have run under Hendersons name......he saw as much of the horse as Nicholls did.....
So, coming into this year’s Cheltenham Festival he was just a Champion Hurdle shy of the full complement and that was put right by the impressive performance of Rock On Ruby. Or was it?
Perhaps it was ignorance on my part, but I didn’t realise that Champion Hurdler Rock On Ruby was trained at a ‘satellite yard’ and not in Ditcheat, where he would be under the constant scrutiny of the British champion trainer.
It never crossed my mind to question it — why would it?
Possibly not the biggest deal in the world, after all he was still under the tutelage of one of the best trainers in the business and his influence over the horse would be strong.
In the post-race interviews, however, it became increasingly obvious the horse was being trained by Harry Fry, under the stewardship of Richard Barber, under the sometimes stewardship of Paul Nicholls.
In fact, the following quote from Harry Fry puts into question just how much influence Nicholls actually exerts: "Paul comes down here when he can, but we have all the facilities here and we are left to our own devices. We always liaise regarding race planning as there is no point taking each other on if we don’t have to."
The language is quite distinct, as, it would seem, is the line of separation.
If ‘Paul comes down here when he can’ equates to training the horse, I can make similar claims to having reared my nieces and nephews, having babysat them a couple of times.
Perhaps that’s an exaggeration, but it raises question marks.
The assertion that there is ‘no point in taking each other on’ also indicates independent operations, as does a further revelation from Fry that: ’We look after 25 in the satellite yard, mostly the ones we sourced ourselves which is why they stay with us. Some are sent to us by Paul if they won’t go up his gallop, for instance".
The more I heard, the more it sounded to me like Nicholls has had little or no interaction with some of the 25 horses. Look, this isn’t intended to be a slight on Paul Nicholls, or Harry Fry or Richard Barber and theirs isn’t the first instance of the use of a satellite yard, but the distinction between the two yards seems absolute and it’s just another case of information that punters should be party to from the outset.
Coming into this year’s Festival, there were doubts over the well-being of the Nicholls team, with reports of some of the string coughing. That was a major concern and one which proved well-founded as a number of the horses failed to fire at all or didn’t pick up in the manner expected.
Did horses from one yard run better than the ones from the other? The answer shouldn’t matter. It’s not something punters should have to concern themselves with because the situation should never arise.
Would I be as inclined to back a Harry Fry or Richard Barber horse in a championship race as I would a Paul Nicholls horse? Maybe. Maybe not. But, at the very least, I’d like to feel safe in the knowledge that whatever the name beside the horse, it is that of the actual trainer. I don’t think that’s asking too much, is it?
This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Saturday, March 24, 2012
So, coming into this year’s Cheltenham Festival he was just a Champion Hurdle shy of the full complement and that was put right by the impressive performance of Rock On Ruby. Or was it? Perhaps it was ignorance on my part, but I didn’t realise th
Shut up busvaldo ya complete tool ya.....Gambling jockey ya knobbend ......the article said this years champion hurdle winner was trained by Harry fry under the tutelage of Richard barber.....
Shut up busvaldo ya complete tool ya.....Gambling jockey ya knobbend ......the article said this years champion hurdle winner was trained by Harry fry under the tutelage of Richard barber.....
This part concerns me most as I backed a couple of his that pulled up really quick. - I think at least it should be published which yard which horse is at.
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Coming into this year’s Festival, there were doubts over the well-being of the Nicholls team, with reports of some of the string coughing. That was a major concern and one which proved well-founded as a number of the horses failed to fire at all or didn’t pick up in the manner expected.
Did horses from one yard run better than the ones from the other? The answer shouldn’t matter. It’s not something punters should have to concern themselves with because the situation should never arise.
Would I be as inclined to back a Harry Fry or Richard Barber horse in a championship race as I would a Paul Nicholls horse? Maybe. Maybe not. But, at the very least, I’d like to feel safe in the knowledge that whatever the name beside the horse, it is that of the actual trainer. I don’t think that’s asking too much, is it
This part concerns me most as I backed a couple of his that pulled up really quick. - I think at least it should be published which yard which horse is at. --- Coming into this year’s Festival, there were doubts over the well-being of the Ni
lookingforthewildman 15 Apr 12 22:12 Shut up busvaldo ya complete tool ya.....Gambling jockey ya knobbend ......the article said this years champion hurdle winner was trained by Harry fry under the tutelage of Richard barber.....
What's the difference between this and every head /captain of industries/banks. They don't 'do the work', but they are credited with achieving the success and receive the appropriate renumeration/awards etc. That's life.Rock On Ruby is officially trained by P.Nicholls. It runs under that 'heading'. so when it wins - PN receives the plaudits.
You might rant and rave and object to it - but those are the facts - and nothing will change it.
lookingforthewildman 15 Apr 12 22:12 Shut up busvaldo ya complete tool ya.....Gambling jockey ya knobbend ......the article said this years champion hurdle winner was trained by Harry fry under the tutelage of Richard barber.....What's the diffe
What has industry and banks got to do with anything related to horseracing?......rock on ruby is officially trained by Nicholls.....yes he is but the fact is.....he doesnt train it at all.....Officially Nicholls is champion trainer and winner of a champion hurdle.....factually speaking seeing that you like facts.....he has never won a champion hurdle.....harry fry has though.....
What has industry and banks got to do with anything related to horseracing?......rock on ruby is officially trained by Nicholls.....yes he is but the fact is.....he doesnt train it at all.....Officially Nicholls is champion trainer and winner of a ch
What has industry and banks got to do with anything related to horseracing?......rock on ruby is officially trained by Nicholls
There you go buddy you have answered your own question..........End of thred.
Oh by the way stop insulting people as it tends to make your nose bleed!
What has industry and banks got to do with anything related to horseracing?......rock on ruby is officially trained by NichollsThere you go buddy you have answered your own question..........End of thred. Oh by the way stop insulting people as it ten
lookingforthewildman 16 Apr 12 11:41 What has industry and banks got to do with anything related to horseracing?......rock on ruby is officially trained by Nicholls.....yes he is but the fact is.....he doesnt train it at all.....Officially Nicholls is champion trainer and winner of a champion hurdle.....factually speaking seeing that you like facts.....he has never won a champion hurdle.....harry fry has though.....
Show me where it states this ! You can't. Pointless discussion.
lookingforthewildman 16 Apr 12 11:41 What has industry and banks got to do with anything related to horseracing?......rock on ruby is officially trained by Nicholls.....yes he is but the fact is.....he doesnt train it at all.....Officially Nicho