McKay-owned horses at centre of mystery gamble

really hope they go astray, hate the guy

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Both horses trained by Richard Guest and not John Balding as per racecard and RP. We've laid plenty for the double @stanjames
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Here's the planned Willie McKay coup at Lingfield. 3.00 Catalyze 6/1 into EVS; 5.00 Befortyfour 11/2 into 11/8 @stanjames

Ooooooooh mystery, er not really two at Kempers were never gonna run imo and the owners now got the other two in doubles, hardly a mystery.

Yankees slip under the radar, a double would not, hardly rocket science

Exactly, again shows what a joke the self cert system is, not eaten up and bruised foot my arse.

bruised foot & arse, sounds painful

not really sure of the relevance of the last 2 runners pulling out? so he could get on other horses in their intended races?

also do stan james lay bets? i dont think any of my accounts have lasted more than 2 weeks

luckylucky: I think they get extra singles and doubles on the other 2

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Tannoy at Lingfield: "Call for trainer Richard Guest or his representative to the weighing room, quickly". The plot thickens...

I love a good yankee cunningly disguised as a double

Very strong usage Sherbert"hate" do you actually know "Big Wullie" he,s an ok guy wide but ok.

Last week  Jake The Snake (IRE) claimed by Mr Willie McKay for £7,000

Wasnt Gay Future coup on similar principles of  non runners coupled in doubles/trebles etc
Only problem was the non runners never ven left stablw yRD.

He got that 7k back with interest.

THEY are worse than "the big C".

If he had a £100 yankee 6/1-n/r-n/r
He's already got DOUBLE his stake back

feel sorry for those who have backed haamaat or ducal this morning, now subject to a non-realistic rule 4. sure majuro will win soon when strong in the market, but i'd imagine it'll be against more exposed opposition than the above pair

pacemaker done his job, second horse almost spoilt the party

5pm will go off odds on now

Rancid racing.....full of criminals.....most of the jockeys are even worse......

seems like everyone has missed out ninebeforeten, which was also backed late last night 20's into 9/2 within about 1/2 an hour.....

Rylee Mooch (Richard Guest) a non-runner only other front-runner 5.00. Convenient. Richard Guest, Micky Quinn, John Balding, Willie Mackay......a fine assortment......

Bruce Jackson racingpost.com @ Lingfield

2:21pm
Gamble update
Willie McKay was at the Crystal Palace Doncaster game in London last night and has come on to Lingfield to watch his horses, which are at the centre of an on-going gamble and trainer switch!

Both Catalyze, around 6-4 from 6-1this morning, and Befortyfour, similarly backed, are back with Richard Guest at his Bawtry yard after being in the hands of John Balding for the previous couple of weeks.

fat ctun

'They all do their best'

Whip ban for Carson?

That's how it should be

That's how it should be

That's how it should be

CATALYZE landed the first part of a big gamble on horses trained by Richard Guest and owned by football agent Willie McKay at Lingfield on Wednesday, after four horses running for the owner were subjected to big plunges.

Along with Catalyze and Befortyfour at Lingfield in the afternoon, Alpha Tauri and Majuro were also heavily gambled for Kempton's evening meeting, but were subsequently declared non-runners on self-certificates.
Willie McKay - Chester - 7/5/08

Before their withdrawals, Alpha Tauri had been backed into 11-4 (from 11-2) and Majuro to 3-1 (from 25). However, Catalyze, who had been available at 5-1 in the morning, came through to win at evens under William Carson. Befortyfour runs in the 5.00 and is a best-priced 7-4 chance (from 5-1).

McKay, present at Lingfield, said:  "I was at the Crystal Palace game last night - we were unlucky - and that's the only reason I've come on here.

"Yes, I've backed mine in the race - I backed Jake The Snake. I claimed him last week and I got it wrong about him - they can have him back now for £1,000 less if they want now.

"I've heard all about it - they're making it into amonster gamble which it isn't."

i backed jake the snake

willie that nose is getting even bigger

Is that 21 days roger.?

this guy must honestly think we are all stupid. This is a disgrace, and having backed rifflessione, the deserved winner of the race, makes it even worse.

Rifflessione, taken on for the lead by the claimed horse that has never front run its entire life, then only just beaten by the monster gamble from a jockey who subsequently gets a whip ban

A long time ago I wrote to the BHA suggesting that when betting patterns indicated something very obvious was going down they just withdraw the horse and compensate the owner for the expenses. Needless to say they weren't interested in crime prevention.

Willie Mackay (Catalyze) and Micky Quinn (Waterloo Dock)...football pals...a meeting of the minds there in the 3.00 Lingfield.....

The BHA are vermin,Feck.

A corrupt,mercenary organisation,with the biggest toerag of all at the helm.

I have NEVER got a positive reply on ANYTHING from the BHA over the years. Must have sent them 20 e-mails on various topics.

That is because they are vermin,Roger.

Roger De Bris     28 Mar 12 15:08 
Rylee Mooch (Richard Guest) a non-runner only other front-runner 5.00. Convenient. Richard Guest, Micky Quinn, John Balding, Willie Mackay......a fine assortment......

Didn't Alan Brazil have Jake the snake at one point in his "Racing club" ?

The horse is named after Terry Ramsden's son,i believe.

Alain, if you sent guest a horse and paid him £10000 a week to train it, if its

name was long tailer he would not have it.

feeble effort at landing a touch

LOL he's not won a DIME NOW

FAIL! LOL!

Reckon he's laid a fair bit off at the low prices to be honest.

I would seriously doubt he hasn't made any money out of this tbh

starfish layig your own horse will get you warned off as happen to gobby harry finlay

It's a shame that the winner wasn't one of Barry Silkman's.It was the right trainer.

Ah well he'll have done his nuts then.Better luck next time.

If Carson was prepared to brae that
to get it home.Do they honestly
think that in Group races the jockeys
are going to do any less

has won on the bet , not lost.
all the money was placed in yankee bets , so with 2 non runners he.s more than doubled whatever he got on

The Stewards held an enquiry into the use of the whip by William Carson, the rider of the winner, CATALYZE, from turning into the home straight. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race, they found him in breach of Schedule (B)6 Part 2 in that he used his whip above the permitted level. The Stewards suspended Carson for 7 days as follows: Wednesday 11th, Thursday 12th, Friday 13th, Saturday 14th, Monday 16th, Tuesday 17th and Wednesday 18th April 2012

he's no Barney Curly.....

When the Gay Future coup took place, a similar stroke was pulled with non-runners.

The only difference between then and now was that they ended up being found guilty of CRIMINAL charges, whereas nowadays you can do what you like.

Is any other sport run this badly?

dont think he would have got much on with star sports, think ben took him to court re an unpaid gambling account.

i  was sure today was the day for majuro.
maybe there was some thing wrong with it.

Runner Update

thomas, you requested to be informed about the following runners:
Majuro (IRE)

ran at Kempton on Wednesday 28th Mar
14 MAR 2012 – On a long losing run but has dropped to a very attractive mark on the all-weather surfaces I am sure it won't be long before this shrewd yard find the right race

What Mckay and Guest have been getting away with over the years,just highlights how weakly British racing is policed.To their credit they have now closed the loop hole in claimers,whereby one person could cheat by making multiple bids through several accomplices,only to acquire the horse before its next run.The fact remains however,that British racing remains blighted by individuals such as these,and the public perception of racing as one run by public school dinosaurs for the benefit of gutter snipe wide boys will grow and grow.

what i missed was why the horses were transferred to richard guest on the day of the race.

or did i get that bit wrong?

was it because some of the connections, ie the owner or the trainer didnt get on to the gamble ?

people on here are unreal.why be happy when it partly failed?id have loved him to win a million off them rancid bookies.when they go on atr in afternoon its nauseating listening to them going on about what they took etc.b365 refused me a bet the other day and offered me 2e ew on a horse at 6/1..every penny you get off them is sweet.so hard luck willie,and hope you pull of a big coup soon!!

The reason ordinary punters can no longer get on is through like big willie.

well id say that if hes paying the bills hes entitled to best price?..any time i knew about a gamble id be told owner first and then go in.surely thats common sense.

Did Micky Quinn and Willie Mackay go for a pint after that 3.00 yesterday?....