BET 365- AKA SPINELESS EXCUSES

I wish that I knew what was going on with that firm.It seems that they do not want to take a bet and yet the Racing Post claims that they are the most profitable betting organisation on Earth.They offer a vast array (allegedly) of free bets and I hope that when they are paying the  Gaming Duty they are not deducting the "free bets" before declaration of profits.Everyone who has been knocked back email HMRC and ask if this is the case.There has to be more to this rancid organisation than meets the eye...

to make matters worse their "bonuses" are absurd.

i desposited 200 into the casino, and qualified for 40quid bonus. i then got to 1000 with my 240 and thought great, i will move to sportsbook

i was then told i needed to turnover 5000 (yes!) on slots or 20000 (yes!) on roulette before i could move funds (yes including my 200 quid deposit!!!!)

they are fxxxin crooks - no one should use them..

We would all love to use them goaty as they are clueless.If you cannot beat them on horse-racing then it is time to apply for social housing in Stoke-On-Trent, which is where most of their employees would be if the rancid Coates family didn't employ them.

LOLL!!

I did enjoy the 5 to 2 (night before) they gave me on 4/7 SP

There should be an investigation into the running of a company that has a handful of "traders" and a Britannia Stadium full of bet checkers.

I've took around £600+ off them in the last month or so including £400 today (had £20 on a 20/1 winner). No restrictions here. What a cracking company... pleasure doing business with them!

kemoh, matter of time

kemoh..you plant yet another employee that posts...shocking.......

I am always dubious of these type of posts. I have used them for 4-5 years,had some decent wins and some decent losses.Over the period of time I am probably ahead with them.

Im summer of 2010 I had a day where I had 3 decent size single wins and won around £2200 of them. Had no restrictions since then,I can only presume they think something suspicious about the author of the thread.

Still remember that day - Spoken for R Charlton at 20/1 and Forte Dei Marmi at 11/2........cant actually remember the third winner

i assure you the post is genuine

thecribs get back on minimum wage and feck off.The rancid firm should not be able to trade.ANYONE who has a winning account with those is closed down.Sooner or later that rancid village (Stoke) will be closed down.Anyone who works for the Coates family deserves all they will get and they will move offshore ...and I hope that when you "employees" are back on the dole you will will realise what has been going on.....RANCID ORGANISATION.....

Ha ha cool your jets homefortea! You obviously had a bad experience with them, I have not and never had a bet refused. Its all im saying.

Maybe you guys make some kind of bets that draw suspicions?? I dont know, i agree it should not have to be that way,but just a suggestion.

Their customer base is very different to many of the other firms. They have far more overseas customers than Lads/Hills etc so I can only assume that most of them don't bet on UK horses much meaning that restricting uk horse punters doesn't really affect their business too much.

They are far more influential in places such a Eastern Europe than any of the other mainstream firms.

Would you do Denise though?

homefortea - HMRC should ensure they don't get tax relief as an allowable expense for corporation tax purposes on the value of free bets either.

I've found them one of the fairer firms.

One of if not the quickest outfit to restrict an account....always seem to make a rick and quick to get their prices out there , only issue is to coin a phrase you just cant get 2 banana's to 1 banana on..

HOMEFORTEA

.and I hope that when you "employees" are back on the dole you will will realise what has been going on

What a sda individual you really are, wishing for people to lose their jobs..shame on you

Feb 17, 2012 -- 9:54PM, homefortea wrote:

thecribs get back on minimum wage and feck off.The rancid firm should not be able to trade.ANYONE who has a winning account with those is closed down.Sooner or later that rancid village (Stoke) will be closed down.Anyone who works for the Coates family deserves all they will get and they will move offshore ...and I hope that when you "employees" are back on the dole you will will realise what has been going on.....RANCID ORGANISATION.....

jeez what a douche this guy is.
i was limited to a couple of pounds each bet with them, now im allowed like 15 pounds max for each bet. even though i was a couple grand down with them due to arb's i took they still limited my account just because i was getting the best prices available at the time, suggests to me that they trade money on betfair too

Probably winning about 10k off them overall. Never had a bet restricted. Have to give credit where credit is due, they are by far he best of the lot.

ofered me 25p the other day,why not just close the account?

Why do you think they are called Bet 365??? That`s their limit £ 3.65.

Good firm to bet with. Very much worth cultivating a lasting account with Bet365. Perhaps someone in a more favourable position than homefortea can place his bets for him. Then everybody's happy.

All about personal experience I guess. In my case not good, closed down a few years ago and 2 subsequent accounts using different IDs etc quickly followed suit.

Victor closed my account too - will save my trip to Gamblers anon!

I have to say that as far as I am concerned they are the best for not restricting bets. I have bet with them for about 10 years and am well in front. No restrictions at all. I have had several multiple wins. I don't arb and only bet on horses. I appreciate that other posters are restricted and it is hard to understand why some are some are not.
The bookies that I have found the worst are Vic, billies and laddies, vic closed my account and the other 2 allow me a £2 trixie

The coward on the left will take Dorothy's 50p Lucky15 on Saturday's TV races, the coward on the right won't:

Lots of plants on today,including the known bookmakers nark Biscuits.

This firm will not let you get ahead for even a short period and still allow you to bet in more than pennies.

The posters on here saying different are a slicking employees or dont keep records and just think they are winning

clear they don't like arbers (who to be fair spoil it for us all) and not keen on winners, me I have winning and losing years and sometimes have info not been restricted, always found them competitively priced. as for all that **** about people in Stoke, they could have gone offshore like all the others but instead kept jobs in the UK surely that is agood thing?

Not true Gilzean you have not had winning years with this firm and kept betting,Then the old(disproven)lie that its arbers bookmakers stop.No its anyone who gets ahead.Then a nice little pat on the back for not going offshore.

Get back on the window seal,someone will be along to give you some baby bio soon!!

Amazing how all the plants come out when a post like this is made.As someone who has had numerous and unconnected accounts closed down (even losing ones) I can state that if you show the slightest bit of savvy you are gone.Anyone who has an account that is still open is a worthless loser.And no I have never arbed in my life.

your vitriol is out of proportion to my post, clearly I am not entitled to a view, where as you are the font of all punting wisdom? you may be right I cannot say for sure but are you seriously suggesting the biggest bookmaker in the world have no winning customers? Doesn't sound credible...

3.65 along with Paddy employ the most people to check bets / accounts.

In terms of price sensitivity, betting pattern, IP address, even down to your locale (anyone using multiple alias' need to be wary of this).

As for onemanarmy..They are not real jobs.If you call taking money off the weak and feckless, and banning those who have the audacity to win even occasionally working, then you are living in a different world to me.

Have they bought round that watering can yet Gilzean,you seem to be getting a bit hot and bothered.

Everything you previously posted was untrue.The only winning punters they would allow are ones,who in some way or other are useful to them  ie racing journalists,politicians,media celebrities etc.No ordinary punter would be allowed to win unless there is some payback for them.

365 have a business model which targets vast numbers of small staking non price sensitive punters. They have no appetite to take on the bigger punters therefore if you are a decent staking punter you will ge restricted almost immediately unless you are a complete mug.

Their threshold with larger stakers is far lower than many other firms because they are not their target audience therefore they will bin them at the first sign of any potential unprofitability.

The only winning punters they would allow are ones,who in some way or other are useful to them

a non price sensitive winning punter would be kept on, eg a £500 bet on a 10/1 Saturday winner would be fine providing it was 12 or 13's on here.

Quite correct Banks, however so keen are they on closing accounts even the mugs are getting trapped after lucky bets.A friend of mine piped up in the pub the other week "Bet £3.65 have closed me down who will I bet with now?" and I kid you not the whole place erupted with laughter as he is the biggest **** as regards betting and he works in the industry !!

Cannot have that either Big Boss....

Anyone who regularly bets at 10s when they can get 12s elsewhere is just the type of punter they want and will very quickly turn into a losing one.

homefortea - I am not a big punter,my biggest bets are around £100 and my average bets around £30-£40. I often get the better of 365 on speedway,minority sport which I have followed for many years and they make mistakes on the book.

Only other bets I make with them are on the horses and some ante post bets on football. Im probably down on football and ahead on the horses

5-6 years on I still have an account.........before you start, I work in sales in pneumatic engineering!

exactly Toronto44

anyone competing with the traders on a risk/profitability level will soon be knee capped accordinmly

Not true cribs...and they keep coming

View things logically, I lose absolutely nothing by people not believing me and gain nothing from believing me. I am just saying my experiences and I dont think they are anywhere near as bad as being made out. They obviously have some peoples cards marked who they deem suspicious for some reason.

So Cribs you are a shrewd punter always looking for the best price and yet you only joined Betfair 3 weeks ago....hmmmm

cribs..spend more time in sales and less time testing your products...

I joined Betfair ages ago but never had the pot to make it worthwhile or a plan.Now i have so have recently signed up again,thats all....no conspiracy theory believe it or not.....maybe after time I will become as paranoid as some of you lot!

but what about all that money you have been winning from 365 for the last 5 or 6 years?

Any punter who is winning is constantly checking prices on here.On an outsider the differences on here to bookmakers can be huge.

seems like a bit of a facile argument Toronto, you just wont have it that anyone can have winning periods, be winners, who i agree they probably think they can beat in the long term. All bookmakers want punters who aren't price sensitive and i am sure they all have people monitoring winning accounts...really is that surprising? It isn't black or white either with commission betting on here isn't always value. you can 500/1 a no hoper but trying getting value on a fancied horse, you cannot get it.

What always makes me laugh about these threads is the people who come on and tell us all how they never get restricted by said firm, without stopping to think for a moment why that might be...

Firstly, I didnt say I was way ahead, I said ahead........probably by only £300-£400 over those 5-6 years.

Secondly, I never used to check prices on here. I used to get my bets on early as they offer BOG and know that was the worse case scenario,yet to me it was value.

I never claimed to be 'shrewd' and now I have a decent pot on here, I doubt I will use them anywhere near as much as being on here gives you so many more options.

I have 3 still running decent size ante post bets with them. One is Ricky Lambert top goalscorer in Championship £25 @ 20/1 and the other is FC Metalist for Europa Cup £20 E/W @ 66/1 and Stoke to be relegated £25 @ 25/1.

If any of these come in and they close my account, I will come back and say sorry lads your right.

"clear they don't like arbers (who to be fair spoil it for us all)"

Why is it arbers "spoils it for us all"?

thecribs, they may well be wrong, but the reason you can bet with them is that they think you are going to lose to them over time...

Arber and proud here (amongst other things before you behead me straight away). Money for old rope.

365 and the like will all restrict you if you are a winner long term or regularly pick them off by being best price - FACT!

I've been doing this for 10 years full time so feel I am an authority on this matter (trumpet blowing again).

The bottom line is if you are a recreational punter who likes a bet on the horses then near the off there is plenty of liquidiy on here to accomodate you so why bother using the firms?

Only future is on here (or other exchanges if one can ever get to challenge this beast)

you maybr right millhouse, i have not disputed that,However, i know at the minute, I have not lost but that may change

Another little pro bookmaker anti Betfair post Gilzean.500/1+ sports bets often win and most are usually around the 66/1 mark with you and your competitors.

Punters did not used to complain about their bets being monitored and if they were cut to reasonable amounts when they got ahead.What they complain about is the fact that bookmakers on accounts(and yours are one of the worst)quickly stop any punter betting who has a winning period or starts to look for value bets.You now only allow punters to lose.You heavily advertise with the false promises of money to be won,if people open accounts.Then you quickly close any account where you think the punter may have a hope of winning,leaving you with only heavily losing punters,who you can throw special offers at to keep them losing.You will only play as long as you win a 100% of the time.

Then you collude with the media claiming the exact opposite of this is true.Anyone who keeps onside with this big lie is then looked after

ah Millhouse you can be as smug as you like about the argument, but i would assume you are an arber or i would assume you have some betfair program alerting to you to any arbs. Which firm in their right mind would want these customers? Like i said earlier i reckon i would be about 10k up with them, maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less, but i am always hunting around for top price, however i do have quite alot of mug bets with them ie multis, but some of my best wins are from mug interest multis.
if you are a regular smart punter and beat them on their own merits, they seem happy to accomodate even winners. If you are an arbing piece of filth, needing a program telling you when to place a bet, then i assume you would be closed down.

i always thought with the exception of exchanges, pinnacle, asians and some north american bookies all euro bookies limit winners?? why the fuss about bet365 just wondering, yes i agree it's very bad.

I dont think many would argue with firm limiting winners Mike but cutting bets to £1.12p at 2s is effectively stopping them betting but not doing so because they can then produce figures to politicians and a neutered racing media saying they do not close accounts

Not true S&M you are not 10 k up with them and still betting.You are either a liar or a plant.

Strange also that such a shrewd punter as you claim,has been a member here for less than 2 years.

Get back on that window seal with Gilzean

yes thats what i say, it's bad. all euro bookies do it.

Do they...who says all euro bookmakers only allow proven losers to bet with them?

toronto i am asking for my account balance as we speak. Have been meaning to do it for a while now. I wish i could tell you what i am up but they can only send a paper statement which i am not happy about. i will be happy to come back to you when the statement arrives.
why is it every deluded fool, can tell how shrewd you are by how long you have been a member on betfair? did it ever occur to you that people change accounts, etc etc blah blah bblah. Ive been working in the industry for 8 years bub, both in london and now back home in aus. i believe i am pretty well advised on which company has which traits, and bet365 are one of the better ones in my experience.
unlike other people, ie toronto, i come up with my own bets, i dont rely on some compunter program to tell me what to bet on.

Sargeant, I have never arbed or traded a horse in my life - just a punter...

well that does surprise me then. i have always wondered if they know i work in the industry from ip checks or whatever, but i am sure i am well up. Will be surprised if the statement does tell me otherwise, but i have won off them from the beginning, and have never had a bet restricted.

Sargeant, the 'only arbers get restricted' thing is just PR lies, I am afraid...

So i was right you do work for a bookmaker then.Look forward to seeing that statement S&M.As before the only way you would be ahead is if you are in some way useful to them.Maybe on the inside of the industry.As your post confirms you are not an ordinary punter and winning.No it is not abers bookmakers do not allow to bet,its just anyone who wins or looks like they may win.Looking for the best price may be arbing in your bookmakers eyes but i also dont drive around looking for the most expensive petrol.




Would not have a clue how to work a bot.

No worries toronto, i will be happy to share that statement with you. I just went through the last 6 or 7 months, and am about 4k up, that has also been my worst run. i had around $1400 on Eng in the 2nd test against pakistan, that touched 1.13 on betfair, and that is a massive bet for me.
the last thing i am is a bookmakers sympathiser, i apsolutely hate what some bookmakers do, but like i said in my 1st post, i have to give credit where credit is due.

millhouse is right. i have never arbed a bet in my life, not even a pricewise one and i am restricted absolutely everywhere.
it is simply that i take best prices, bog, back pricewise and am making a profit.

Dream on S&M

Sergeant I can see that you are a very shrewd punter.Backing an England cricket team to win at 1.13.Tell us how long did it take you to walk home to Australia ?
Furthermore if indeed you are in the industry an ip check would have flagged that up the first time you had a bet from work.

dream on what toronto? why the hell would i feel the need to lie on an anonymous forum. am trying to have a proper discussion, and am surprised if like millhouse says normal punters are being restricted. Grow up D1chhead, and stop being so paranoid
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homefortea i backed them at 4/1 when Pal were 0/40 os so in the 1st innings. where did i say i backed them at 1.13? i said they touched 1.13

They are the absolute pitts

SergeantMarcel - Without the exchange to guide him, toronto couldn't find the couch in his living room. Allied to this, he's quite a resentful little character, unwilling to believe anyone with an experience outside his own.

thanks united, i sort of got that feeling from the beginning. He is trying to say otherwise though

You must make yourself a little clearer.You never said that you backed them at 4/1.STILL LOST THOUGH !!

homefortea i backed them at 4/1 when Pal were 0/40 os so in the 1st innings. where did i say i backed them at 1.13? i said they touched 1.13

what price were they on betfair at that time - if they were 5-1 on here then its no surprise they take your bets

I know homefortea. You poms do need to read a little before you post, and learn how to play spin i should of said i backed them at 4/1, and yes i will be happy to provide a reference. but i was trying to make the point that i was 4k up or so in the last few months even with that losing bet, which was a massive bet for me

How about because you are a fantasist and a bit of a ickhead for starters.No you are not winning with 365 and still betting unless they have different rules in Australia which i doubt.

And what are those bets supposed to prove or are we just supposed to be impressed and all hail you as a billy big b...cks betting genius.

toffee, i think from memory 4/1 was the top price that was offered

you really are a deluded fool, totonto, i am finished with you actually. you attack, i try to defend myself with proof, and you attack a bit more. you really are a vile piece of filth

So as a FELLOW bookmaker Biscuits do you believe S&M is "always hunting around for the best price"10k up with 365 and still getting on what he likes with 365.Come on big effort now,look in the mirror and try to do the decent thing for once and tell the truth.

Nothing resentful about exposing you bookmakers for the shysters you are.

Sergeantmarcel can speak for himself toronto. Personally, I wouldn't use an anonymous forum to call him a liar. I hope he's not upset, he shouldn't be. All your forum blasts follow the same pattern - a struggle to articulate millhouse's argument followed by a descent into your resentful self - you take aim, blast off each foot then shoot yourself in the head.

United thanks for the concern bud, but i have worked in some of the roughest places in London, i have enough of a backbone to deal with tools like toronto. I am actually ashamed of myself that i felt the need to disclose any of my figures, but sometimes proof is needed. one of the 1st lessons i learnt in life was to never argue with a fool, and im afraid ive broken my rule here

Nice to see you two getting along so well.Two old pros... one a a bookmakers paid propagandist and the other the only ordinary punter in the world who can wins thousands with 365 and stil bet what he likes.

Bless them

from where I am sitting on my window sill, kindly provided by toronto, gazing at the torrent of angry abuse that pours from his keyboard, it seems to me there is only one truth betfair are always the value, the only people that bet with bookmakers are idiots,liars,fantasists and losers, if all your accounts have not been closed one must be a numpty. Toronto you truely are the Abu Qatada of this forum, i bow to your superior knowledge in these matters and as instructed am making my way to my nearest ladbrokes to reek punter jihad against these running dogs of capitalism...etc etc.. Thank you for making what I thought was grey so black and white. Toronto be saved

No anger here Gilzean just the truth about how your firm only allows punters to lose.The only support you have had is from a fantasist and a known bookmaker apologist.
Never said punters who bet on account with bookmakers are either idiots.liars.fantasists or losers(in general terms).People bet for different reasons.Some are quit happy with giving you their money as they only play for a bit of fun.What i have said is your firm are one of the worst for cynically exploiting all punters.Then you spend millions pretending the opposite is true.Yes you can win with bookmakers but only with cash in the shops.Harder and harder but possible.



If bookmakers wish to operate a loser only policy.Then lets have it out in the open,so everyone understands at the start that the money can only ever go one way.Bookmakers are in the business to make money as all other businesses,the difference is they have no counter of a non corrupted dedicated media to put checks and balances on their actions.So they are allowed and chose to operate in a very unethical way.

PS Biscuits as for being resentful its me who comes on and make genuine arguments.The only way you seem able to counter them is with snidy bitchy insults.

you see bookmakers everywhere...if betfair are looking at my ISP then they will find i am not within 100 miles of Stoke. Guess if you pigeon hole me it negates what i say in your mind. But lets close it there as nothing more to be said