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13 Feb 12
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Cant believe these sort of stories even make the paper, shame on these newspaper for printing stories at families like this expense
Jobless family of TWELVE handed eight-bedroom house after complaining they need more room (and, of course, it's the taxpayer who is footing the bill)
A family of twelve who rejected a string of council houses have finally got their dream home - an eight-bedroom house courtesy of the taxpayer.
Donna Harrison, 35, and Fabian Bland, 43, had been squashed into a terraced house in Bradford with ten children aged between two and 15.
The family turned down several four-bedroom houses offered to them by their social landlord because they had set their heart on a former children’s home.
Both parents are unemployed, so their £133-a-week rent is paid through housing benefit.
New home: Donna Harrison and Fabian Bland with (back row) Daniel, 14, Fabian, three, Megan, 12, Sarah, 14, Chloe 13, and (front row) Fabienne, four, Morgan, seven, Jack, nine, Kieron eight, and Aaron, 12, now have an eight-bedroom house to call home
Mother Donna said: 'Getting this house is the best thing that’s ever happened to us.
'All the kids absolutely love it and I love it. It’s made a really big change to our lives.
'They have their own space, they can do their homework. They have space to do whatever they want to do.
'We got the news just before Christmas so it was a great Christmas present for us. We moved in just after and have been busy sorting everything out since then.
'I’m over the moon, it’s just absolute heaven.'
'Absolute heaven': With eight bedrooms to go around, there's space for four of the children to have their own bedrooms in the house, which also has a garden and dining room
The couple have seven children of their own, and also care for Donna’s sister’s three children following the death of their grandmother, who was their guardian.
Donna and Fabian receive £500 per month in child benefits and child tax and £160 per fortnight for Jobseeker's Allowance, and their rent in housing benefit.
Donna added: 'Fabian lost his job as a delivery driver about six months ago so getting the house after the battle was good news for us in what has been a hard time.
'He’s been busy decorating the new house, painting the walls and that sort of thing.
'It’s made a massive improvement - just things like using the bathroom. In our last house there was just one but now we have two and a separate toilet so everything’s much easier.
'We’ve got a dining room which we didn’t have before, and a huge kitchen. There is so much more space, and it’s not cluttered anymore - in the last house it was always so full and cluttered.
'There is a great big garden for the children to play in too.'
Donna used to share a bedroom with a son, daughter and her partner in their old £80-per-week home, and had received a letter from her daughter Fabienne’s school suggesting sleeping arrangements needed to be changed because the six-year-old kept telling teachers she needed an afternoon nap.
Now, Donna and Fabian have their own bedroom and so do four of the children.
This is the first time in 20 years that Fabian has claimed benefits.
Donna said: 'I know what some people will say about us living off the state with so many children, and it makes me angry.
'He’s worked hard all his life and he couldn’t help losing his job - he worked for a small family-run business and when the boss decided to retire there was nothing he could do but let Fabian go.
'Fabian’s looking for work every day. He is desperate for a new job but it’s difficult for anyone to get a job nowadays.
'Yes we have a lot of children but that was unexpected - I didn’t expect to be looking after my sister’s children but that’s the way things have turned out.
'I didn’t expect my mum, who was caring for them, to die so early from cancer.
'And I’m saving the state money in looking after my sister’s children - it would be costing the Government thousands if they were in care.'
Donna has previously spoken of how the children, Sarah, 16, Daniel, 15, Chloe, 14, Megan, 13, Aaron, 13, Jack, 10, Keiran, nine, Morgan, eight, Fabienne, six, and Fabian Jr, three, struggled to fit in their old house.
The family were disappointed to be told last September that they wouldn’t be able to move into their dream home, and contacted Bradford South MP Gerry Sutcliffe and Councillor Michael Johnson for help.
Mr Sutcliffe said: 'We are pleased that finally common sense prevailed and through cooperation and understanding of the family’s needs they were finally able to be housed appropriately.
'It’s sad it took the length of time it did.'
Cathy Ashley, chief executive of the Family Rights Group charity, who described the family’s former living conditions as 'hellish', said of the news: 'We are very pleased that this seems a happy ending.
'Many family, friends and carers across the country continue to struggle to get suitable accommodation.
'Sadly we know of children in the care system who could have been living with their wider family if help with housing had been provided.'
Cant believe these sort of stories even make the paper, shame on these newspaper for printing stories at families like this expense
Jobless family of TWELVE handed eight-bedroom house after complaining they need more room (and, of course, it's the taxpayer who is footing the bill)
A family of twelve who rejected a string of council houses have finally got their dream home - an eight-bedroom house courtesy of the taxpayer.
Donna Harrison, 35, and Fabian Bland, 43, had been squashed into a terraced house in Bradford with ten children aged between two and 15.
The family turned down several four-bedroom houses offered to them by their social landlord because they had set their heart on a former children’s home.
Both parents are unemployed, so their £133-a-week rent is paid through housing benefit.
New home: Donna Harrison and Fabian Bland with (back row) Daniel, 14, Fabian, three, Megan, 12, Sarah, 14, Chloe 13, and (front row) Fabienne, four, Morgan, seven, Jack, nine, Kieron eight, and Aaron, 12, now have an eight-bedroom house to call home
Mother Donna said: 'Getting this house is the best thing that’s ever happened to us.
'All the kids absolutely love it and I love it. It’s made a really big change to our lives.
'They have their own space, they can do their homework. They have space to do whatever they want to do.
'We got the news just before Christmas so it was a great Christmas present for us. We moved in just after and have been busy sorting everything out since then.
'I’m over the moon, it’s just absolute heaven.'
'Absolute heaven': With eight bedrooms to go around, there's space for four of the children to have their own bedrooms in the house, which also has a garden and dining room
The couple have seven children of their own, and also care for Donna’s sister’s three children following the death of their grandmother, who was their guardian.
Donna and Fabian receive £500 per month in child benefits and child tax and £160 per fortnight for Jobseeker's Allowance, and their rent in housing benefit.
Donna added: 'Fabian lost his job as a delivery driver about six months ago so getting the house after the battle was good news for us in what has been a hard time.
'He’s been busy decorating the new house, painting the walls and that sort of thing.
'It’s made a massive improvement - just things like using the bathroom. In our last house there was just one but now we have two and a separate toilet so everything’s much easier.
'We’ve got a dining room which we didn’t have before, and a huge kitchen. There is so much more space, and it’s not cluttered anymore - in the last house it was always so full and cluttered.
'There is a great big garden for the children to play in too.'
Donna used to share a bedroom with a son, daughter and her partner in their old £80-per-week home, and had received a letter from her daughter Fabienne’s school suggesting sleeping arrangements needed to be changed because the six-year-old kept telling teachers she needed an afternoon nap.
Now, Donna and Fabian have their own bedroom and so do four of the children.
This is the first time in 20 years that Fabian has claimed benefits.
Donna said: 'I know what some people will say about us living off the state with so many children, and it makes me angry.
'He’s worked hard all his life and he couldn’t help losing his job - he worked for a small family-run business and when the boss decided to retire there was nothing he could do but let Fabian go.
'Fabian’s looking for work every day. He is desperate for a new job but it’s difficult for anyone to get a job nowadays.
'Yes we have a lot of children but that was unexpected - I didn’t expect to be looking after my sister’s children but that’s the way things have turned out.
'I didn’t expect my mum, who was caring for them, to die so early from cancer.
'And I’m saving the state money in looking after my sister’s children - it would be costing the Government thousands if they were in care.'
Donna has previously spoken of how the children, Sarah, 16, Daniel, 15, Chloe, 14, Megan, 13, Aaron, 13, Jack, 10, Keiran, nine, Morgan, eight, Fabienne, six, and Fabian Jr, three, struggled to fit in their old house.
The family were disappointed to be told last September that they wouldn’t be able to move into their dream home, and contacted Bradford South MP Gerry Sutcliffe and Councillor Michael Johnson for help.
Mr Sutcliffe said: 'We are pleased that finally common sense prevailed and through cooperation and understanding of the family’s needs they were finally able to be housed appropriately.
'It’s sad it took the length of time it did.'
Cathy Ashley, chief executive of the Family Rights Group charity, who described the family’s former living conditions as 'hellish', said of the news: 'We are very pleased that this seems a happy ending.
'Many family, friends and carers across the country continue to struggle to get suitable accommodation.
'Sadly we know of children in the care system who could have been living with their wider family if help with housing had been provided.'
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Facts..............just to let you know.....council estate dad dead @11yrs mum dead@17 yrs ....did a deal with the council that my sister got a roof over her head my at the age of 17 homeless with T.B.brought my only son up by myself...WORKING FULL TIME...he played 1st team rugby Brighton & is now a Teacher Liverpool......i was a childrens football coach have a nice 3bed drum No Mortgage...............& YOU
Or is it time to craul undre a slab
fink thats funnier!
Or is it time to craul undre a slab
fink thats funnier!
What are you on hft, you get in to a debate then back off when proven wrong
If by highlighting that extremist views are wrong then at least I have achieved something
People like you are the reason there is so much hate in society. People can only be accepted if they are
earning £50k plus, have a mortgage & live their comfy middle class lives
Not everyone is fortuntate to live like that & it makes those sort of views sickening to the rest of us.
I'd imagine you have shed loads of debt as well but best not mention that given the trouble it's causing the country as it will offend us all
If by highlighting that extremist views are wrong then at least I have achieved something
People like you are the reason there is so much hate in society. People can only be accepted if they are
earning £50k plus, have a mortgage & live their comfy middle class lives
Not everyone is fortuntate to live like that & it makes those sort of views sickening to the rest of us.
I'd imagine you have shed loads of debt as well but best not mention that given the trouble it's causing the country as it will offend us all
mange,no wonder the education system is in the state that it is if you helped your Teacher son with his homework !!
Scouser..Are you for real ? I truely thought that you were taking the rise !! OK then you lazy,feckless sponger who seems to be bringing up a family in a mirror image, is that extremist enough for you ? Having never claimed benefits in my life (and mortgage and debt free) I feel that I can comment on those that prey on society.Twenty-five years without a job and proud of it !! Round here I know nobody on the dole because people have a sense of pride.I can see who the character Jim Royle was based on !!
" Propper responsable people only have 1 or 2 kids because they want to provide for them & give em the best chance in life.
At the end of the day..........its a pi$$ take.
haveing said that........never blame the kids "
To the teacher from Brighton who wrote the above:
Are you telling us that the Queen of England and the Duke of Edinburgh are not " Prop(p)er responsible people"?
At the end of the day..........its a pi$$ take.
haveing said that........never blame the kids "
To the teacher from Brighton who wrote the above:
Are you telling us that the Queen of England and the Duke of Edinburgh are not " Prop(p)er responsible people"?
having one kid is not reasonable.
everyone knows only children are a nightmare (37% go on to be serial killers, FACT!)
everyone knows only children are a nightmare (37% go on to be serial killers, FACT!)
mange
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
You were lucky. We lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t' mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi' his belt.
No the kids were PROVIDED FOR sean
If you want The breeding free for all.....I dont mind...im comeing out the other end.....Ill let you get on with it ...G.L. M8
If you want The breeding free for all.....I dont mind...im comeing out the other end.....Ill let you get on with it ...G.L. M8
Can't believe anyone still buys the daily (hate)mail the paper that supported Hitler's Boy's before the war. And before anyone pops up to say, 'it was the mail wot got the Stephen Lawrence murder convictions, Paul Dacre, fuhrer of the Mail, only got that campaign rolling cos Stephen's dad decorated his home.
Personally, I can't see why a family getting suitable accommodation is news. It's more a dog bites man story than other way round.
Still, we've all got our agendas but Dacre's Mail still pine's for 1930.
Personally, I can't see why a family getting suitable accommodation is news. It's more a dog bites man story than other way round.
Still, we've all got our agendas but Dacre's Mail still pine's for 1930.
When the load is too heavy you lessen it allowing yourself to travel onwards more comfortably then why not lessen the load if you really have the whole of the countries best interests at heart accept a little less and this means everyone from the richest to the poorest lessen the rent/mortgage/leccy/gas/vat/amount paid etc people would have more disposable income this would help businesses as well also any one earning over a certain amount should "employ" a commensurate amount of workers that could be put to work that would enhance the country at large,just look at some of those "footballers" earning upwards of £100.000/week that is the real disgrace why can,t they along with others put something back into the country that they"love" it,s not just greed it is also the need for greed a little less take and a little more give from everyone we would get back on track soon enough.
I know a couple who live in a council house in norwich valued atmore than 400k. they used to have 5 kids but now most have moved out. but the council cant make them leave cos they have been there for so long.
hft no need for swearing. The middle classes seem to think ts is their role to talk down to the working classes which is the reasons behind may of the divisions within society. You say you are debt free, not too many of your lot like that, most are in debt up to their eyeballs & it seems for the benefit of this conversation you have no debt, no mortgage etc, yeah right
It is people's right whether they wish to work or not or choose to bring up their kids themselves. I did not want our chlidren to be brought up by someone else. We want them to grow up with our values & not be peddled by the middle class extremist views of others.
Our daughter has chosen to bring up her family from a young age herself & put off a career until later. I admire her for that as both myself & my wife chose that same path. Trouble with the middle classes is that they are never there for their kids when growing up, I was determind that wouldnt happen with ours & so is my daughter. How can any sane individual argue with that
It is people's right whether they wish to work or not or choose to bring up their kids themselves. I did not want our chlidren to be brought up by someone else. We want them to grow up with our values & not be peddled by the middle class extremist views of others.
Our daughter has chosen to bring up her family from a young age herself & put off a career until later. I admire her for that as both myself & my wife chose that same path. Trouble with the middle classes is that they are never there for their kids when growing up, I was determind that wouldnt happen with ours & so is my daughter. How can any sane individual argue with that
Yes Scouser but you seem to think everyone has the right to a 'nice house' and 'possessions' -. Fraid not mate. I've worked for everything in my life and never claimed a penny in support . I am disabled (I don't claim benefits) and live with my wife in a 2 bedroom semi with a mortgage. I think it's disgusting the taxpayer is funding this family's lifestyle.
saw a program maybe a month ago about several large families (15 kids and counting?), one of the episodes featured this family
at that point he was working, they had taken in a relatives daughter (or maybe 2) and he was shown as a hard working bloke who was trying his best, at the end he lost his job (might have been kids from a former marraige plus their own kids in the mix as well)
he took his kids on holiday, my take was he wasn't well off but had his head screwed on, he didn't come across as a scrounger, struck me as a nice enough bloke
think they were living in a 2 or 3 bed semi and making the best of it, they briefly showed a boarded up large house which was claimed the council were moving them to to help the over crowding
at that point he was working, they had taken in a relatives daughter (or maybe 2) and he was shown as a hard working bloke who was trying his best, at the end he lost his job (might have been kids from a former marraige plus their own kids in the mix as well)
he took his kids on holiday, my take was he wasn't well off but had his head screwed on, he didn't come across as a scrounger, struck me as a nice enough bloke
think they were living in a 2 or 3 bed semi and making the best of it, they briefly showed a boarded up large house which was claimed the council were moving them to to help the over crowding
Thehonestscrounger..You consider yourself "working class" then despite not having actually worked for 25 years !! Your 17 year old daughter has two kids and shares your values !! I would term you "underclass" and any benefits that you feel entitled to should be issued in the form of vouchers so that you are not spending our money on gambling.
Furthermore, not that it is any of your business,I was debt and mortgage free at 40 and have enough money to be able to sit and post at 1 pm on a weekday without having to sign on every week.
Furthermore, not that it is any of your business,I was debt and mortgage free at 40 and have enough money to be able to sit and post at 1 pm on a weekday without having to sign on every week.
Our daughter has chosen to bring up her family from a young age herself & put off a career until later. I admire her for that as both myself & my wife chose that same path. Trouble with the middle classes is that they are never there for their kids when growing up, I was determind that wouldnt happen with ours & so is my daughter. How can any sane individual argue with that
You have a truly bizarre view of class and one serious chip on your shoulder. When you say 'middle class' you seem to mean 'people who work'.
How can any sane individual argue with it? Well if everyone chose your family's path, who exactly do you think would pay for it?
You have a truly bizarre view of class and one serious chip on your shoulder. When you say 'middle class' you seem to mean 'people who work'.
How can any sane individual argue with it? Well if everyone chose your family's path, who exactly do you think would pay for it?
bilbo you make it sound like being disable & claiming benefits is wrong. People that claim incapacity benefit should do that if they are entitled. Trouble is there are as many people claiming incapacity benefit as unemployed yet when you speak to people noone says they are on incapacity benefit.
Do I believe you're not claiming it if you're entitled, sounds a great story & a stick to people with but I'm not having that for a minute. Nor am I having hft, a member of the middle classers whose not got a penny in debt. I read about you lot every day of the week, your all living with off your flexible friends, not a penny to your name & bricking it every time a letter comes through the door.
Great story lads for the benefit of the thread, you'll be having me believe in father christmas next
Do I believe you're not claiming it if you're entitled, sounds a great story & a stick to people with but I'm not having that for a minute. Nor am I having hft, a member of the middle classers whose not got a penny in debt. I read about you lot every day of the week, your all living with off your flexible friends, not a penny to your name & bricking it every time a letter comes through the door.
Great story lads for the benefit of the thread, you'll be having me believe in father christmas next
Scouser - you may think its your right whether to work or not, just wish i had the right not to subsidise you.
Round here I know nobody on the dole because people have a sense of pride.
homefortea...what do the unemployed live on then?
homefortea...what do the unemployed live on then?
I cannot believe people like 'homefortea' exist. They must live a hate filled, depressive world as they watch those less well off have to do anything possible to survive.
A horse owned by the 'Dregs of Humanity' has just won at Ayr and that term definitely applies to HFT.
Panorama last night showed tented villages in woods near Detroit where American citizens are forced to live. And storm drains are homes in Las Vegas beneath casinos where millions are won and lost above them. A homeless man needing urgent surgery on a potentialy life threatening intestinal problem who cannot afford the $20k for the operation.
I'm mortgage free and retired and I see the divide between the have's and the have-not's growing immeasurably. Stagging incompetence by this and other governments where their policies are decided only by the wealthy few.
At a time where more and more machines replace personnel how can the jobless possiby find work?
Where will it end?
A horse owned by the 'Dregs of Humanity' has just won at Ayr and that term definitely applies to HFT.
Panorama last night showed tented villages in woods near Detroit where American citizens are forced to live. And storm drains are homes in Las Vegas beneath casinos where millions are won and lost above them. A homeless man needing urgent surgery on a potentialy life threatening intestinal problem who cannot afford the $20k for the operation.
I'm mortgage free and retired and I see the divide between the have's and the have-not's growing immeasurably. Stagging incompetence by this and other governments where their policies are decided only by the wealthy few.
At a time where more and more machines replace personnel how can the jobless possiby find work?
Where will it end?
scouser name calling, that the best you can do lads
The fact is if I & others that are well read like me didn't highlight the damage done by the middle classes & bankers with all the debts they've saddled us with we wouldn't be in this mess. We were fine before they almost bankrupt the country. I would never dream of criticising those on incapabacity or others on benefits I was brought up better than that, others clearly weren't
The fact is if I & others that are well read like me didn't highlight the damage done by the middle classes & bankers with all the debts they've saddled us with we wouldn't be in this mess. We were fine before they almost bankrupt the country. I would never dream of criticising those on incapabacity or others on benefits I was brought up better than that, others clearly weren't
There's no jobs & they never find me a job. Alls I need is for them to tell me when & where I start I will turn up, no problem if I have to I will
Same old story somebody else take the time & trouble to get you a job. Its your responsibility not theirs!
If i have to I will just about sums up your attitude, dont really want work but if forced into it you will turn up.
How very kind of you!
Same old story somebody else take the time & trouble to get you a job. Its your responsibility not theirs!
If i have to I will just about sums up your attitude, dont really want work but if forced into it you will turn up.
How very kind of you!
One important fact that seems to have escaped the attention of the foaming-at-the-mouth rabid far-right on here (and neatly glossed-over by the Mule) is that three of the kids are being looked after by the family after the sister of Donna Harrison died. DH's mother became guardian until she also passed away. So allowing them access to a home befitting the family is better than having three bereaved children being passed around the foster system.
Brigust...................It will all end in tears .............thats why i say that numerous offspring by people that cant provide 
Tolstoy..............I dispute that anyone on here would not support that situation M8
Well I support a family of 4 and get no help at all from the government, all I get is rising petrol, heating and food bills each month. I do think id be better off declaring myself bankrupt after getting myself sacked and getting rehoused and supported by the taxpayers of this country to be quite frank, be a lot less stressful!!!
brigust1..I was responding to one particular case, that of thehonestscrounger you bleeding heart liberal.As for the divide between the alleged "have's and have not's" if you include the ordinary working family the gap has never been narrower.The scouser has probably trousered well over half a million pounds CASH over the last 25 years not to mention free school meals (x6)free travel,subsidised Council House etc and he is letting lose another six into the World to do the same !! And he has the audacity to blame the bankers.
"just because there is not enough work to go round we & our 6 children cannot have a nice house & possessions."
Errh No!!you have to earn your "nice house" and if you have not worked for 25 years your only possessions should be a knife, fork and spoon and the clothes you stand up in not a mobile phone computer etc etc
"I have been trying to find work for the last 25 years without success. "
Which jobs were they - Chip Taster, Ferrari Test Driver, Brain Surgeon?
"She has recently got her own place with her partner & their 2 kids that they rent from the council. "
It's not her own place, its the council's - and she probably gets housing benefit and doesn't pay council tax.
"Our daughter has chosen to bring up her family from a young age herself & put off a career until later."
How later? when she's dead?
"I admire her for that as both myself & my wife chose that same path."
That's not a path your on it's a maze.
Errh No!!you have to earn your "nice house" and if you have not worked for 25 years your only possessions should be a knife, fork and spoon and the clothes you stand up in not a mobile phone computer etc etc
"I have been trying to find work for the last 25 years without success. "
Which jobs were they - Chip Taster, Ferrari Test Driver, Brain Surgeon?
"She has recently got her own place with her partner & their 2 kids that they rent from the council. "
It's not her own place, its the council's - and she probably gets housing benefit and doesn't pay council tax.
"Our daughter has chosen to bring up her family from a young age herself & put off a career until later."
How later? when she's dead?
"I admire her for that as both myself & my wife chose that same path."
That's not a path your on it's a maze.
When you said lose, you should have spelt it loose. Something ironic that the unemployed have to correct you on your spelling hft. Dread to think what type of job you ended up in
hft the gap not narrower at all, people living beyond their means & in thousands of debt, they are the poor people not us, so please don't compare us with them. People on here talking about going bankrupt is disgraceful. If you havent got the money dont spend it. The government could do worse than allow the unemployed to give seminars to the alleged working class on how to organise their finances. They are dragging this country to it's knees & clearly need help before it's too late
hft the gap not narrower at all, people living beyond their means & in thousands of debt, they are the poor people not us, so please don't compare us with them. People on here talking about going bankrupt is disgraceful. If you havent got the money dont spend it. The government could do worse than allow the unemployed to give seminars to the alleged working class on how to organise their finances. They are dragging this country to it's knees & clearly need help before it's too late
Now lets try & have a laugh!
Started looking after a social housing block.....................My ITILAIN Pal asked me whow I was getting on ?
I reply "Ive only been in 2 flats....both girls abt 17 with babies"
To wich he replied...."Have they realy left it that late"
Started looking after a social housing block.....................My ITILAIN Pal asked me whow I was getting on ?
I reply "Ive only been in 2 flats....both girls abt 17 with babies"
To wich he replied...."Have they realy left it that late"
Please forgive me duvauchelle I've had a few cans & feeling a little incapacitated
sean rua HM is NOT repeat NOT the queen of just ENGERLAND...she is Queen of UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN & N. IRELAND which incase u don't know where that is...it's Scotland, Wales, N. Ireland & also...your beloved ENGLAND!! & YOU WONDER WHY EVERYONE HATES THE ENGLISH??? 
(I don't actually hate the english, just ignorant, knows eff all about anything north of watford attitudes like yours)
(I don't actually hate the english, just ignorant, knows eff all about anything north of watford attitudes like yours)
Unbelievable ignorance being displayed on this thread. Why should I be surprised?
Agree ....Fancy abandoning it.....just caus your on the cans
BULLET TOOTH TONY
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Well I support a family of 4 and get no help at all from the government, all I get is rising petrol, heating and food bills each month. I do think id be better off declaring myself bankrupt after getting myself sacked and getting rehoused and supported by the taxpayers of this country to be quite frank, be a lot less stressful!!!
so you get no help from the government.
a family of 4,you could claim child benefit from the GOVERNMENT,if you are buying your own home you could claim tax-relief from the GOVERNMENT on your mortgage,you could also claim free dental care from the GOVERNMENT,free child prescriptions from the GOVERNMENT,you could also claim tax relief on your pension from the GOVERNMENT.
but i guess like you said you dont get any benefits.
bye the way why is it only the working class or unemployed get benefits.
14 Feb 12 14:06
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Well I support a family of 4 and get no help at all from the government, all I get is rising petrol, heating and food bills each month. I do think id be better off declaring myself bankrupt after getting myself sacked and getting rehoused and supported by the taxpayers of this country to be quite frank, be a lot less stressful!!!
so you get no help from the government.
a family of 4,you could claim child benefit from the GOVERNMENT,if you are buying your own home you could claim tax-relief from the GOVERNMENT on your mortgage,you could also claim free dental care from the GOVERNMENT,free child prescriptions from the GOVERNMENT,you could also claim tax relief on your pension from the GOVERNMENT.
but i guess like you said you dont get any benefits.
bye the way why is it only the working class or unemployed get benefits.
The creator of this thread is unfortunally "shot to bits" with these "cans"
Trust that he can return to-morrow with more valuable input
Trust that he can return to-morrow with more valuable input
I'm not a 'bleedin' heart liberal' homefortea, and neither am I a short sighted ignorant fool, like you.
It is all very well pointing the finger but social housing has been sold off, immigrants are flooding in and working for peanuts and supermarkets are ripping our high streets apart. When you have crawled from your shell I suggest you address these problems BEFORE you attack those on the receiving end.
This country and the US are so busy organising other countries and their assetts to provide more and more wealth for their own benefactors they are not able to address the problems at home.
It is all very well pointing the finger but social housing has been sold off, immigrants are flooding in and working for peanuts and supermarkets are ripping our high streets apart. When you have crawled from your shell I suggest you address these problems BEFORE you attack those on the receiving end.
This country and the US are so busy organising other countries and their assetts to provide more and more wealth for their own benefactors they are not able to address the problems at home.
Dunno what that guy was shouting about, but there we go.
Just wondered, what do the exchange- playing unlicensed layers of known non-triers think about all these taxpayers who seem to be on this thread on this forum during working hours?
By taxpayers, I presume they don't mean income- tax payers?
Just wondered, what do the exchange- playing unlicensed layers of known non-triers think about all these taxpayers who seem to be on this thread on this forum during working hours?
By taxpayers, I presume they don't mean income- tax payers?
brigust1.I agree with you !! (not the ignorant fool bit though !) You are quite right about mass immigration,I campaign against Supermarkets taking over, and as for selling off Council Houses that is a joke.How can you buy what patently is not yours ? However I was taking offence to one particular odious individual that has been unable to find a job for TWENTY-FIVE years.The Welfare State was created to tide over those in temporary distress,to help the handicapped and to provide a pension so that workers would not suffer in the last couple of years of their lives.It was not created so that a whole underclass could sit at home all day watching TV (and for alleged Public Servants to live out the last 30 years of their lives) at the taxpayers expense.Benefits have become so attractive that immigrants come in to do the work that the former "working class" used to do.Cut the ease of benefits and cut mass immigration.It is not rocket science !!
hft that's the big problem, immigration that is causing part of the problem. My ancestors have paid their money in to the state in taxes, what have they & theirs contributed, nothing. The first thing they do when they get here a lot of them is put a claim in & go straight to the front of the qeueue. She was listed as living with the kids at ours (although stayed at her boyfriends parents). That would have been 14 including the grandpareents living in a 3 bedder & it still took nearly 18 months for her to get to her own a place.
Agree, mass immigration & the debts brought on us by the middle classes are destroying this country
Agree, mass immigration & the debts brought on us by the middle classes are destroying this country
Thehonestscrounger I know that you are really are taking the rise because nobody is that stupid.However at least I can have a rant !!
Why all the shyte about tax payers money - and where it goes ???
Who gives a fyk , you have no say in it at all .
Get on with your own very very sad lives and remember that very very few are non tax payers .
Who gives a fyk , you have no say in it at all .
Get on with your own very very sad lives and remember that very very few are non tax payers .
GB leave this to the adults please
hft, maybe you are then. Listen, we're in 1 trillion worth of debt, that wasnt brought on by people not working, the annual bill for claimiants is a drop in the ocean compared to that. The real problem the country is in is down to bankers & the middle classes spending money they haven't got. The debts of the unemployed are peanuts, most wont give those credit
The days of the middle classes looking down their nose at the unemployed are gone. Believe me when I look at these people now on these 'alleged' posh estates, it's me looking down at them. They're all phkd & many will never recover. It serves them right for being too greedy & the problem is they've brought the rest of us down with 'em.
hft, maybe you are then. Listen, we're in 1 trillion worth of debt, that wasnt brought on by people not working, the annual bill for claimiants is a drop in the ocean compared to that. The real problem the country is in is down to bankers & the middle classes spending money they haven't got. The debts of the unemployed are peanuts, most wont give those credit
The days of the middle classes looking down their nose at the unemployed are gone. Believe me when I look at these people now on these 'alleged' posh estates, it's me looking down at them. They're all phkd & many will never recover. It serves them right for being too greedy & the problem is they've brought the rest of us down with 'em.
have they stopped having children yet
they may be needing a ten bedroomed mansion soon
some very nice million plus mansions in the counrtryside around bradford
they will need nice views and plenty of fresh air
they may be needing a ten bedroomed mansion soon
some very nice million plus mansions in the counrtryside around bradford
they will need nice views and plenty of fresh air
honest - i agree with you -
I feel the same about these morons keeping up with the jones 's
I feel the same about these morons keeping up with the jones 's
GB that's what's killing the country, read somewhere the welfar bill was around £3billion. In 4 years the national debt has reached £1 trillion, nothing do with the jobless, those on disability. The damage done by the likes of you & your neighbours homefortea.
They & the bankers have done their bawls in big time, with their debts they go bankrupt screwin everyone else up. The unemployed & the disabled are facing cutbacks because of them. These people should hang their heads in shame, we're all paying the price for their excesses & they have the audacity to have a go at us. Hard faced *****rs imo
They & the bankers have done their bawls in big time, with their debts they go bankrupt screwin everyone else up. The unemployed & the disabled are facing cutbacks because of them. These people should hang their heads in shame, we're all paying the price for their excesses & they have the audacity to have a go at us. Hard faced *****rs imo
hft please dont have a go at brian please he made a perfectly good post
Cant believe these sort of stories even make the paper, shame on these newspaper for printing stories at families like this expense
ths - bit of irony there with your good self reprinting in case anyone missed it
ths - bit of irony there with your good self reprinting in case anyone missed it
Bring on Fatdodgy Brian...He despairs of the alleged Glasgow "working class".In fact I am in the process of writing a new BBC2 Comedy entitled "Rab C Nesbit My Ar se" starring Glasgow Brian and Thehonestscouser as two flatmates in a Council Tenement that have been brought together due to Government spending cuts.Their families having grown up and been placed in subsidised accommodation, they are left on their own to live out their twilight years.Neither of which has any Social Skills apart from writing out a betting slip (£2 fav Portman Park)the two bring cheer into our lives as they bring back memories of a more urban "Last Of the Summerwine".
To All You Ignorant People Concerned
I object strongly about the manner with which you have been knocking and attempting to talk down to the unemployed in this topic
If many of you are blind to the reality of what is going on in the UK, I feel it would be good for you to get the hell out of this forum and get reading up on UK society today and the governments / greed etc that has destroyed what was once a good country
To address the unemployed here in the way that you have is a crime
Remember you too could be unemployed shortly
Give it a break as nothing you have posted is amusing in any way
Thank you in advance
I object strongly about the manner with which you have been knocking and attempting to talk down to the unemployed in this topic
If many of you are blind to the reality of what is going on in the UK, I feel it would be good for you to get the hell out of this forum and get reading up on UK society today and the governments / greed etc that has destroyed what was once a good country
To address the unemployed here in the way that you have is a crime
Remember you too could be unemployed shortly
Give it a break as nothing you have posted is amusing in any way
Thank you in advance
inono..no-one is knocking the genuine unemployed.Do you not think that 25 years is stretching it ?
By the way inono I am what would qualify as unemployed but would never dream of signing on ...(yet !!)
homefortea
I do feel it is not for you I or anyone else to judge
Peoples circumstances comes to mind
I do feel it is not for you I or anyone else to judge
Peoples circumstances comes to mind
HFT you do not seem to realise the impact some of you & yr middle class friends have on people here. Well said inono, GB & others. It seems the likes of HFT's ivory tower is made without foundations
HFT you do not seem to realise the impact some of you & yr middle class friends have on people here. Well said inono, GB & others. It seems the likes of HFT's ivory tower is made without foundations
homefortea
I hope you find work as I don't wish unemployment on anyone
The thing is it doesn't matter how hard some people try, they just can't get good work
I mean a job that is worth having
I hope you find work as I don't wish unemployment on anyone
The thing is it doesn't matter how hard some people try, they just can't get good work
I mean a job that is worth having
Of course it is up to people to judge.If lazy, child rearing, feckless, piss taking professional scroungers are at it !! On the other hand if people who are in financial difficulty after being made redundant need help to get back into employment then they should be given all the help available...
mukdahan..Because at the moment I have enough money in the bank to see me alright.Plus if I was claiming I might have to take a job if offered (and there are plenty of those around here ).Summer is on the way and I want to top up my tan....
hft yr comments are going downhill rapidly now. Often the way on these forums when those that have poor debating skills who having dug a hole for themelves lash out at others. Those are not the values of a modern Britain & have no place on these forums
inono...And there is the statement "I mean a job that is worth having".Take any job, retain your dignity and apply for others.Employers always look more favourably on an applicant that is already in employment...
homefortea wrote
Of course it is up to people to judge.If lazy, child rearing, feckless, piss taking professional scroungers are at it
homefortea I am close on lost for words here
Your above comment refers to something that has been happening since the beginning of time
It is really sad that you generalize as you do
There is no doubt that the majority of UK people would be happy to have good work
The governments have ground down UK society to the extent that the employed now knock the unemployed - This is exactly what the government want, any UK government today is happy with the masses knocking each other as it has the effect of diverting them from the real issues of the society that they live in
Of course it is up to people to judge.If lazy, child rearing, feckless, piss taking professional scroungers are at it
homefortea I am close on lost for words here
Your above comment refers to something that has been happening since the beginning of time
It is really sad that you generalize as you do
There is no doubt that the majority of UK people would be happy to have good work
The governments have ground down UK society to the extent that the employed now knock the unemployed - This is exactly what the government want, any UK government today is happy with the masses knocking each other as it has the effect of diverting them from the real issues of the society that they live in
homefortea WHAT
"Take any job, retain your dignity and apply for others"
-----------------------------
Take any job, retain your dignity and apply for others does not change anything - Jobs need to be created - Jobs that pay a decent wage
Take any job This means working for some deadbrain no nothing boss that is likely to treat the workers like sh1t
Think about it please
"Take any job, retain your dignity and apply for others"
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Take any job, retain your dignity and apply for others does not change anything - Jobs need to be created - Jobs that pay a decent wage
Take any job This means working for some deadbrain no nothing boss that is likely to treat the workers like sh1t
Think about it please
Thehonestscrounger...You really are a case !! I am still sure that you are taking the rise and I have risen to the bait !! How anyone whose only contribution to society is milking the welfare state can be allowed to have an opinion is beyond me.Anyhow I will let you go now as I am sure that you have to be up early for.....what I am I saying !!
inono..What the feck are you on about.I could get a job paying £40k+ tomorrow ? I thought that I had explained that I do not want to work and do not want to claim benefits...Some people have skills that are never lost.If unfortunately you have a family and have lost your job and do not want to move retain your dignity and work your way back up the ladder...
"How anyone whose only contribution to society is milking the welfare state can be allowed to have an opinion is beyond me"
I doubt you mean that above comment
I doubt you mean that above comment
Oh I do when people are only interested in taking off others.25 years on the dole, you should be ashamed of yourself....
hft make any post, whatever time & I wont be far away, I will post back. During the afternoon I am busy betting so you will have to be patient. I have to be up to take this kids to school this week as the wife is unwell so have to go to bed early, so you wont see me post after 12 for the next couple of nights. It has become clear that you have look bad now with your posts, something I have been telling you all along.
All very well to have a pop at those that you might see as not so well off. If you are off I will leave you with this. In truth it is thanks to the unemployed that you are well off. Given the clear intelectual differences between brian, ionio & the fact is if we lived in the same area, the same field of work anyone of us would have taken your job from you if we chose to do so & you would have been the one unemployed.
You will do well to remember that
THS
All very well to have a pop at those that you might see as not so well off. If you are off I will leave you with this. In truth it is thanks to the unemployed that you are well off. Given the clear intelectual differences between brian, ionio & the fact is if we lived in the same area, the same field of work anyone of us would have taken your job from you if we chose to do so & you would have been the one unemployed.
You will do well to remember that
THS
"inono..What the feck are you on about.I could get a job paying £40k+ tomorrow"
I am not bringing money into this like you have
I will go as far as typing I reckon you bringing money into this is a dead give away
You are knocking the unemployed and attempting to offend and wind them up
I am above all that
I am not bringing money into this like you have
I will go as far as typing I reckon you bringing money into this is a dead give away
You are knocking the unemployed and attempting to offend and wind them up
I am above all that
Scrounger...You would be unable to take the steam off my piss.You couldn't take a job off a recently settled asylum seeker who speaks no English .After 25 years on the dole I doubt that you would even have the necessary skills to lace up a pair of working boots.Make sure that the wife claims extra benefits....
inono..I am not knocking the unemployed.I am only knocking those who wish to milk the system by remaining unemployed.If indeed you have recently lost your job good luck in your search.All I am saying is do not fall into the trap of keeping on benefits if there is another option...
homofortea
It has become quite clear your debating skills, along with your life experiences are not serving you well here. Think about this for a minute if your prejudices will allow. With the governments immigration policies & the opening of EU member states border for the majority of workers in the union (you may not be aware of this) companies are not employing in the UK but from outside
These people live 10 workers to a rented house or even to a shipping container in some areas, so they know they will get slave labour, work any hours, as many as they want, 7 days, no family. How can we compete. Any money they make they send home to their country of origin & next to nothing is invested back in our economy
How can UK workers with families compete with that. Employers love it but the truth is they contribute nothing
It has become quite clear your debating skills, along with your life experiences are not serving you well here. Think about this for a minute if your prejudices will allow. With the governments immigration policies & the opening of EU member states border for the majority of workers in the union (you may not be aware of this) companies are not employing in the UK but from outside
These people live 10 workers to a rented house or even to a shipping container in some areas, so they know they will get slave labour, work any hours, as many as they want, 7 days, no family. How can we compete. Any money they make they send home to their country of origin & next to nothing is invested back in our economy
How can UK workers with families compete with that. Employers love it but the truth is they contribute nothing
homefortea wrote -
Scrounger...You would be unable to take the steam off my piss.You couldn't take a job off a recently settled asylum seeker who speaks no English
It really does sound like you are losing the plot altogether here
You are winding up and getting nowhere here
You are doing nothing but making an absolute plonker of yourself
I will tell you a little about myself - I have had numerous good jobs in my life, I regard myself as lucky, I have been out of work but never needed to claim benefits, I happened to have a much sought after skill so there was always something around the corner
I am fully aware that others have not been as fortunate as I, many people have not had the chance be it with education or the area where they live and the work in that area
As I have done in the past and will do in the future, should I have the opportunity to buy those less fortunate than me a few pints at the bar or help them out in some other way I will gladly do so
I have been fortunate to be able to choose my own destiny, there are millions of people in the UK that have no control over their destiny and it is no fault of their own
One man is as good as the next to me - I don't care if they have money or not
You homefortea obviously think that mentioning 40K wages makes you different to others
Think about it Mr
Scrounger...You would be unable to take the steam off my piss.You couldn't take a job off a recently settled asylum seeker who speaks no English
It really does sound like you are losing the plot altogether here
You are winding up and getting nowhere here
You are doing nothing but making an absolute plonker of yourself
I will tell you a little about myself - I have had numerous good jobs in my life, I regard myself as lucky, I have been out of work but never needed to claim benefits, I happened to have a much sought after skill so there was always something around the corner
I am fully aware that others have not been as fortunate as I, many people have not had the chance be it with education or the area where they live and the work in that area
As I have done in the past and will do in the future, should I have the opportunity to buy those less fortunate than me a few pints at the bar or help them out in some other way I will gladly do so
I have been fortunate to be able to choose my own destiny, there are millions of people in the UK that have no control over their destiny and it is no fault of their own
One man is as good as the next to me - I don't care if they have money or not
You homefortea obviously think that mentioning 40K wages makes you different to others
Think about it Mr
Couldn't agree with you more scrounger.But this has not been going on for the last 25 years and it was the Labour Party who initiated it.So much for the "working class".Having said that why would they want to employ a professional welfare claimant with six children whose work record is non-existent.Far better to employ somebody who might actually turn up on the day...
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saw a program maybe a month ago about several large families (15 kids and counting?), one of the episodes featured this family
at that point he was working, they had taken in a relatives daughter (or maybe 2) and he was shown as a hard working bloke who was trying his best, at the end he lost his job (might have been kids from a former marraige plus their own kids in the mix as well)
he took his kids on holiday, my take was he wasn't well off but had his head screwed on, he didn't come across as a scrounger, struck me as a nice enough bloke
think they were living in a 2 or 3 bed semi and making the best of it, they briefly showed a boarded up large house which was claimed the council were moving them to to help the over crowding
Seems the only one to read the fact properly
14 Feb 12 12:54
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saw a program maybe a month ago about several large families (15 kids and counting?), one of the episodes featured this family
at that point he was working, they had taken in a relatives daughter (or maybe 2) and he was shown as a hard working bloke who was trying his best, at the end he lost his job (might have been kids from a former marraige plus their own kids in the mix as well)
he took his kids on holiday, my take was he wasn't well off but had his head screwed on, he didn't come across as a scrounger, struck me as a nice enough bloke
think they were living in a 2 or 3 bed semi and making the best of it, they briefly showed a boarded up large house which was claimed the council were moving them to to help the over crowding
Seems the only one to read the fact properly
ionio you sound like a real decent individual
There are few decent types like youself in my local that always get me a couple of pints if they are around & it's nice to know that people such as yourself still exist given the likes of homforteas opinions. Should you ever be in the Toxteth area of Liverpool please drop me a message as you sound like a good person to have a beer with
THS
There are few decent types like youself in my local that always get me a couple of pints if they are around & it's nice to know that people such as yourself still exist given the likes of homforteas opinions. Should you ever be in the Toxteth area of Liverpool please drop me a message as you sound like a good person to have a beer with
THS
inono..you must have arrived late to the postings.Read what the honestscrounger has posted.As regards the jobless family of twelve I have made no comment on their case.
homofortea you needn't come but should you feel the need to send a contribution given you are making yourself out to be some sort of royalty (or at least a queen of some sort) - just send a cheque if not
TheHonestScouser
Fortunately Liverpool will always have those that don't suffer from greed and prefer sharing, they know what is happening and will never forget their roots even if they move on
A few years ago I was close to you, not Liverpool but close, I have since got the hell out of it
Good luck with your betting
Cheers
Fortunately Liverpool will always have those that don't suffer from greed and prefer sharing, they know what is happening and will never forget their roots even if they move on
A few years ago I was close to you, not Liverpool but close, I have since got the hell out of it
Good luck with your betting
Cheers
Got the hell out of it inono
What do you mean, no it's not the nicest of places to live, where I live even the dogs go round in pairs but there are lots of genuine people, many who would do anything for you
We have been broken in to a couple of times but word soon gets round in these parts & if you've got nothing you could leave the key in the door if you wanted. Most are looking for a quick sale, in a local pub, or to friends. If they know they couldnt get rid of your belongings on a car boot you're in the clear
If ever you do decide to come back you will do well to use that advice to your advantage
All the best
What do you mean, no it's not the nicest of places to live, where I live even the dogs go round in pairs but there are lots of genuine people, many who would do anything for you
We have been broken in to a couple of times but word soon gets round in these parts & if you've got nothing you could leave the key in the door if you wanted. Most are looking for a quick sale, in a local pub, or to friends. If they know they couldnt get rid of your belongings on a car boot you're in the clear
If ever you do decide to come back you will do well to use that advice to your advantage
All the best
TheHonestScouser
I left the Uk for Greece, took a big chance due to the lack of funds
Greece has now just about had it, if Greece sinks I will sink with it
Must go now - later
I left the Uk for Greece, took a big chance due to the lack of funds
Greece has now just about had it, if Greece sinks I will sink with it
Must go now - later
Forgive the pun with Greece but sounds like you're out of the frying pan & in to the fire there
Good luck, never saw ourselves as being in an affluent area but funny how times change
Gdnight
Good luck, never saw ourselves as being in an affluent area but funny how times change
Gdnight
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