Most overrated jockey of all time

i like him

You Wrong Mister.

I like him too, improved a great deal in the last 5 years.

If you swapped Tippy Tappy Hughes and Hanagan's rides last year, Hanagan would have won the title by 70+. Enough said. He's weaker than p$$$

You Wrong Again Mister.

Hughes almost brought the Abdullah operation to it's knees when retained jockey. Classic wins dried up, Group 1s dried up. As soon as he got the boot, Abdullah horses started winning big races all over the globe again. When Pat Eddery was retained by Abdullah and had first choice from a moderate sized Hannon stable, he mopped up jockey titles every year. Nobody could get a look in. These days, Hannon has twice as many horses with big owners behind him and Hughes can't bring them home. When Hannon was training for tinpot car salesmen etc in the 80s, he had Tirol and Don't Forget Me win English classics. Wake up you fools, look at the facts!!

In 2008 he finished 2nd in the title race riding 117 winners (15% strike rate) and winning over 2 million pounds in prize money.

In 2009 he finished 2nd in the title race riding 130 winners (18% strike rate) and winning over 2 million pounds in prize money.

In 2010 he finished 2nd in the title race riding 189 winners (18% strike rate) and winning over 3 million pounds in prize money.

In 2011 he finished 4th in the title race riding 130 winners (18% strike rate)and winning over 2 and a 1/2 million pounds in prize money.


Those statistics do not tell the tale of an overrated jockey.

PommyT1215  dont let facts spoil it for the clown

Nellers, which of the Abdullah horses should he have won  classic(s) / Group 1(s)on, iyo?

He's finished in the top 4 of the title race 8 times in the last 10 years.

Perhaps that 4 year sample doesn't quite do him justice.

PommyT1215
Clown not aimed at you the clown being nellers

have you guys seen the Indian race the chap is talking about above?

just self defence from Hughes. only protecting himself from some seriously dangerous riding.

Inaccurate, meaningless, irrational and largely irrelevant judgement of a really rather good jockey, by a belligerant ignoramus trying to be provocative.

Nothing to see or learn here, move on to better pastures.

Pat Eddery

Ibrahima Sonko's got it right in that he has made huge improvement over the last five years.

I was a big critic of Hughes a few seasons ago and I was right to be.
However, he has since proved me wrong, and he is a class act these days.

I only found out about 18 months ago from an interview on ATR (so it's no big secret) that he had a drinking problem.

It was so obvious through his riding that he addressed it, and that helps with confidence regarding the daily grind at small meetings.

I think the OP is probably still smarting from Hughes' portfolio of inept rides a long time ago, just as I was.
I just completely ignored ALL his mounts so it wouldn't keep hurting.

H, thanks for the PM about a could be

I was in deep sh1t when you posted that one

Having sat on a 1000 profit I added 2000 to it and went big, dont get me wrong H, I like most of us can't afford to throw it away - To cut a long story short, I lost plenty rapidly and almost self ignited

I posted here that I was getting out, having given it much thought I had a go at the USA racing and it got worse - I am not sure how i have managad this but I am now on  2K bank balance, balance 2 nights ago was 1650 and I was well p1ssed off

So H here I am now at evens with Betfair after many years and still angry at blowing my 1K profit

Onwards and upwards all being well - How are you doing?

Hello Sir!

I'll send you a PM.

Brillant from the front but when he's got to go weave through and win I reach for my laptop and lay off in running everytime!

Brillant from the front but when he's got to go weave through and win I reach for my laptop and lay off in running everytime!

Sounds like an authoritative and well considered strategy, ladycarla.

both times.

Go Steady H

I dont half hook line and sinker the deadbeats here

My take on his strengths and weaknesses:

Brilliant timing, balance and judge of pace. Eeks out extra when challenged, knows what he's under and can ride from the front or the back.

On the down side, he has an unfortunate habit of waiting for a gap to appear instead of switching or forcing (yes ok maybe sometimes you will get a ban) and is something of a nightmare for place backers.

Still think overall he's top class when he wants to be and has the temperament that not many do for big race riding.

inono Pat Eddery Very good.

I'll add Steve Cauthen,Lester Piggott.

Might as well the way this threads going.

Don't think inono has a serious contribution to this thread, he is trying to communicate with the other side.

topfarrier

Mr Starkey would no doubt have won the Arc on DB - I have always had an edge since that day when he he was kicked off

Booby Walsh

hughes was riding at all the big meetings down south while hanagan was picking up tin pot races up north.

he could still have been champion jockey if the northern stewards hadn't helped hanagan.

Steve Cauthen, press hype, at borring time. his agent was a press man, and there were one or two other with similar hype, but Cauthen would have been a fair bit better, JR had a pressboy (had a pen name, Poision Pen, can remember his name) as an agent, would write something nice about him, even said to a pressman who was suppose to do the write up at Bath, i'll do that if you want to get away, Give JR a the usual headline for winning a seller, mind you he had had a bad time off it, not rode a winner for two weeks, sence he walked past the clerk of the scales, TWICE at Salisbury,on two winners, lost both races, had his head stuck up his a$$ reading his write ups, written by his agent, and he beleave it all..

Eh?

Eh!.

John Reid.

Mouse Roberts,the worst Champion Jockey we ever had..........End Of Fred.

ladycarla
12 Feb 12 23:34 Joined: 03 Sep 06 | Topic/replies: 341 | Blogger: ladycarla's blog
Brillant from the front but when he's got to go weave through and win I reach for my laptop and lay off in running everytime!

ladycarla has the game by the b0llox

acey - re mouse roberts - this thread is about overrated jockeys!. Not sure Muis was ever really rated despite being champ!

just got back, heard  Ranter was ranting big time today,

Looking back i think Walter Swinburn was over rated.

something about Nicky McKay getting a 10 day ban, not doubt the new PJA Paul Struthers will have a word with Nicky McKay, tongue in cheek job, 'it was a bit harsh ECT ECT, will get in touch with BHA' and tell them my rule is not working very well', and without a doubt top of the table job John Gosen will have his say, and along with the Ranter 'i can open a betting shop aswell pushing' 'i'm the good cop and McCririck is the bad cop sin-ario, "what betting shop do you want me to open",3 grand cash upfront, after looking at the race, Stars In Yours Eyes, was a bit wayward, but hitting it with the Pro-cushen did not help stear it, the rails helped, and The Ranter was just saying 3 days a go, it dose not matter if you have you Pro-Cushin in the proper hand, when a horse is hanging you should stear it with the reins .so this today somes up the chump Matt "the Ranter Chapman", he is not bright enough to realise he was contradicting himself, . little man

Doubtful whether Richard Hughes would have got El Gran Senor beat in the Derby, so it has to be the ponce who did.

Roger De Bris, i beleave the question was overrated JOCKEYS

As a matter of interest Tuckyboy what do you think Eddery could have done differently on EGS.

topfarrier, i just ignored tucky.

cant seperate any of them,,theyre all as bad as each other,apart from when fallon was top jock before his ban

the most overrated jockey was, without a doubt, Steve Cauthen.

Seb sanders

Acklash-just LOL.

Totally agree about Hughes. His column was just full of excuses and plugs for his wife's posh hat shop. When he was chasing Hanagan for the title he even managed to wangle a ride in the Goodwood race for jump jockeys by "blowing the dust off his jumps licence". When did he ever have a ride in a beginners chase?

so you think richard hills is a better jockey than richard hughes nellers?

jrw, alas Richard Hughes.

Answer should be PAUL HANAGAN

How can our current twice flat champion jockey STILL not have won a Gp1 race in this country

grendel, that a good ?.

Dickie Hills is in a different league to Tippy Tappy Hughes. Dickie has won classics, Dubai world cup, what has Tippy won.... naff all. He couldn't even win a classic on Canford Cliffs. His conduct during the whip debate was childish and pathetic. His behaviour in the States and in India was disgraceful. He should be booted out of the sport.

was hayley turner mentioned???????????

Nellers - I think he DID manage to win a classic on Canford Cliffs...albeit the poor man's version

he did say " english"

Taipan - he did state that in his opening post, but at 14:54, he said 'he couldn't even win a classic on Canford Cliffs'

I think that's a little harsh as Canford Cliffs undoubtedly improved after his defeat to Makfi, though the French colt was much under-rated and SHOULD definitely have stayed around at 4...we'd have learned something then.

winning an irish classic would be more important than an english version so im sure richard is happy..

Hayley Turner would take them all to the cleaners. Served her apprenticeship under Chris Catlin.