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I particularly like this bit
women and those with no interest in racing -- instinctively disagree with the use of the whip and think current penalties are too lenient." Gallbladder.Differentdrum.Headmaster. Thats you guys he is talking about ![]() |
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Might take him a bit more serious but for mistaking a Belgian for a Frenchman, and he gets paid as a racing journalist?
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Good spot silvergreaser - very shoddy journalism.
McClean also says:"At a time when, by almost every available metric, the sport is plunging into decline....." before then talking about "... five days before the richest meeting ever staged in Britain" and then "Yet, contrastingly, bookings for Aintree 2012 are up 27 per cent from last year." Can't take this seriously - the guy is obviously on some kind of crusade. |
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Journalist are only interested in sensationalist stories.
Most of what is written is inaccurate or lies. The facts are often boring, so they don't bother to follow this too closely or at all sometimes. Lazy, sloppiness is common - get the story out to a tight deadline. |
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In a nut shell
"the BHA concluded: "A large proportion of the population -- particularly women and those with no interest in racing -- instinctively disagree with the use of the whip and think current penalties are too lenient." This insight formed the underlying principle of the review." Ignoring the sexist talk - those with no interest in racing (equals don't know anything about it and don't really care and won't be following in the near future) They say the views of people who know nothing and don't care about the sport formed the underlying principle of the review. WTF - I am reading it correctly - I knew this would be it but now I can see it in black and white. Madness - sheer madness. They are not fit for purpose. Muppets. |
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FFS GG AND SG READ BRIGUST1 AND SALMON SPRAY ETC ON OTHER THREADS INSTEAD OF SPOUTING SH1T - AND AFTER READING TRY AND COMPREHEND WHAT THEY ARE SAYING. IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE IF YOU ARE ARSED ABOUT THE SPORT - BUT I DOUBT IT.
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the people who complained after the BBCs innacurate reporting at last year's grand national have probably not watched another race since then.
they watch the national once a year and will be back again to watch this year's race where there will be very few finishers as the jockeys are not allowed to encourage horses anymore. the BBC will then come on and tell them what a cruel race it must be as no horse has been able to finish the course and then the same idiots that complained last year will complain again this year, leading to another badly thought out knee jerk reaction from the BHA in banning the grand national. so instead of the BHA coming on after last years race and defending racing, they instantly gave in to the so called "public perception" of the once a year viewing public and instantly set about ruining what was left of UK racing. they only needed to come out straight away and say that the BBC were wrong and that the oxygen and water was already out on the course as a safety measure to prevent horses having to walk all the way back in to the unsaddling area before they were watered and looked after as it was a very hot day. only in the UK can horse welfare precautions taken by a racecourse be used against racing, and the BHA should have been kicked out en masse for meekly accepting the flak and not defending racing. if you give these anti racing people an inch then they'll want a mile and it's only a matter of time before NH racing is finished in this country. after all that is the main aim of these idiots and the whip is only a tool being used by them to achieve their real goal. |
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elvissss
I've just added you to my 'tool' category (it's a default for anyone who types only in caps). I have read what brigust has proposed but somehow doubt that if you've read it, that you actually understand it. As another poster has already pointed out, brigust's 'new' proposal is effectively the old rules (pre Oct '11), rules which incidentally, the jockeys didn't like! As for salmon spray, it's difficult to ascertain what he's in favour of other than a general return to the 'good old days'. I suspect that if you pressed him a little, he'd be happy to see jockeys riding without body protectors and hard hats but at the same time be happy to introduce spurs. Oh and if you want to get some balance (not to mention sense) on the whip debate, open your mind a liitle and try reading posts from forumites like feck, differentdrum, ramruma and the headmaster; most of us learn a little bit from these guys but I suspect that you'd learn an awful lot. |
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I`d rather you didn`t put words in my mouth Gerry.
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Learning things from differentdrum ?
I don't think this forum is the right place from that type of talk, tbph.. |
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Gerry
I think that the simple fact that the proposed fixtures being being cut back would indicate that the sport is plunging into decline .... plus corruption case, ineffective BHA, Great Leighs failing, FOBT machines taking over shops, tote ownership, Baldfred v Curley case, clown McCritic talking through his arse, BBC not bothered showing SFA meets .... And yes Gerry it was the richest meeting ever in Britain and why do you think that Aintee bookings are up for next year? Can't take this seriously - the guy is obviously on some kind of crusade. FFs He's a racing journo who states the obvious "A large proportion of the population -- particularly women and those with no interest in racing -- instinctively disagree with the use of the whip and think current penalties are too lenient." ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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As brigust1 so aptly put it the other day the Animal Welfare brigade (as if we all don't care about animals!) have infiltrated many forums to get across their very bias viewpoint and won't even listen to sound arguments against their immovable views. It makes you wonder about Gerry Gallbladder, differentdrum etc.
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Gerry isn`t an infiltrator imo as he has been around for a long time. differentdrum joined on Oct 5th this year which does look a bit convenient.
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salmon spray - I'd rather that you didn't keep suggesting that I work for the BHA, RFC, the RSPCA or some animal rights group but it doesn't stop you doing it does it? What are you views on the whip btw? You seem quite happy to cross examine anyone who doesn't share your view (whatever it might be). Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us....
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Gerry. I don`t think it`s me who has suggested anything of the sort. It looks to me as though you don`t bother to read recent posts.
As far as my views on the whip are concerned I would stick happily enough with those introduced in 2009 which is hardly " the good old days " but would not allow the loophole of the top jocks being able to postpone their penalties to avoid Grp1 races. |
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elvissss - you don't think the richest ever race meeting and the fact that Aintree bookings are up, somewhat contradict McClean's own message about the sport plunging into decline? A couple of the things you mention too (to illustrate the decline) are positives - cutting back the fixture list, bringing cheats to justice - these things will help to prevent a decline, as indeed would a total whip ban.
Imo McClean has an agenda. You should read some of his previous stuff, most notably an article on BF, and the especially the bit where he makes comparison between BF and purple. Imo you could be forgiven for thinking that he worked for purple.... |
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Dave Yeats
At long last - we are getting to the nub of the problem. Regular readers will know I have little admiration for the way Kevin Darley and the Professional Jockeys Association have dealt with the new whip rules. But at least the outgoing chief executive has finally got to the issue at the root of this fiasco - the limit on the number of times a jockey is allowed to hit a horse. It is deeply flawed and defies reason. I am still searching for an answer to the following question - if the whip does not compromise horse welfare, as found by the Whip Review Group - why is there a cap on its use? Ruby Walsh's "offence" aboard Edgardo Sol provides a perfect illustration of the regulations' folly. Without the eight-stroke limit, we would be talking about another supreme piece of jockeyship by a man regarded as the most natural talent in the National Hunt world. But with it - after a ride that offended nobody - Walsh misses a Grade 1 race through a five-day ban, and is now to cut down on his commitments in Britain. I know why the BHA brought in the limit - it's because they have no faith in stewarding panels. But if officials can't tell the difference between a legal and illegal ride without having to count on their fingers, what the hell are they doing there in the first place? Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/racing-betting/racing-news/2011/10/24/no-welfare-issue-so-why-have-we-got-racing-by-numbers-115875-23510835/#ixzz1bhOPTlWg |
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Oh and anyone struck by the irony of a journalist writing for the Irish Indepedent picking holes in British racing? You'd have thought he'd have more than enough to work with getting stuck into Irish racing.
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I am still searching for an answer to the following question - if the whip does not compromise horse welfare, as found by the Whip Review Group - why is there a cap on its use?
I know why the BHA brought in the limit - it's because they have no faith in stewarding panels. Oh dear Dave. How many times ffs! The....jockeys....asked.....for....a....number. People may think the BHA is not fit for pruporse....people may think the PJA is not fit for purpose.....people may think - well actually we all know - this is a total mess one way or another. But Dave Yeats sits atop the whole stinking pile imo. |
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There is a cap on it's use,Headmaster,for the sake of 'Public Perception'
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Sorry,Headmaster. My reply was aimed at whomever posted the piece you quoted
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