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21 Oct 11
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votes are planned amongst them to see whether to accept the BHA amendments or take action say's Cornelius Lysaght....Kevin Darley must be at Doncaster 
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exactly the point gerry, odd individuals are reacting but as a group they are not united
jamie spencer was pretty much disgusted and in fairness he was trying to highlight the way it would effect journeymen and young riders
this should be thrashed out in a room not on racecourses
jamie spencer was pretty much disgusted and in fairness he was trying to highlight the way it would effect journeymen and young riders
this should be thrashed out in a room not on racecourses
elise
But surely if the jockey who took the most drastic action is happy with the changes (as we must assume he is) then what concerns can the other jockeys possibly have?
But surely if the jockey who took the most drastic action is happy with the changes (as we must assume he is) then what concerns can the other jockeys possibly have?
Gerry it was a compromise that allowed him to slip back in. Nothing has really been sorted, it is
a shambles and Kevin Darley should depart the scene hanging his head.
a shambles and Kevin Darley should depart the scene hanging his head.
It is quite clear that the PJA is no more fit for purpose than the BHA. The difference is THEIR "leader" is standing down.
Darley is not standing down because of this shambles though.
You have to ask yourself where are the leaders with any brains.Problem after problem after problem.
hughes has always been speaking for himself, he's even said as much to the effect that he didn't want the support from colleagues
however, the pja should have lifted this above the odd individual and should be thinking about all members, in both codes of racing to determine what is right for everyone
the bha should be trying to accomodate the middle ground whilst protecting the integrity of the sport and its public image
the pair of them have achieved about feck all of that
however, the pja should have lifted this above the odd individual and should be thinking about all members, in both codes of racing to determine what is right for everyone
the bha should be trying to accomodate the middle ground whilst protecting the integrity of the sport and its public image
the pair of them have achieved about feck all of that
elise - Great! Since Hughes has voted in favour of the revised rules, and is clearly a man of great principle, we won't be hearing anything else from him on this subject then.
No wonder Spencer's fuming
Doncaster 21st
The Stewards held an enquiry into the use of the whip by Jamie Spencer, the rider of NEVER PERFECT (IRE), unplaced, inside the final two furlongs. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race, they found him in breach of Schedule (B)6 Part 2 in that he had used his whip with his arm above shoulder height. As the offence warranted a suspension at the lower level, the Stewards suspended Spencer for two days as follows: Friday 4 and Saturday 5 November 2011
Doncaster 21st
The Stewards held an enquiry into the use of the whip by Jamie Spencer, the rider of NEVER PERFECT (IRE), unplaced, inside the final two furlongs. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race, they found him in breach of Schedule (B)6 Part 2 in that he had used his whip with his arm above shoulder height. As the offence warranted a suspension at the lower level, the Stewards suspended Spencer for two days as follows: Friday 4 and Saturday 5 November 2011
I wonder who was he waving to 
The Stewards held an enquiry into the use of the whip by Chris Catlin, the rider of FASHIONABLE GAL (IRE), placed second, in the closing stages. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race, they found him not in breach of Schedule (B)6 Part 2 in that he was waving his whip and not making contact.
The Stewards held an enquiry into the use of the whip by Chris Catlin, the rider of FASHIONABLE GAL (IRE), placed second, in the closing stages. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race, they found him not in breach of Schedule (B)6 Part 2 in that he was waving his whip and not making contact.
Cornelius Lysaght
#Whip: just heard jockeys at Newbury have voted to strike; all but 1 rider said yes to strike; result of similar vote at Donc not known yet balloting of PJA members at Newbury (voted yes), Doncaster (not yet known) & Wolverhampton (this evening); seems to be Flat only atm senior riders in conference call discussions this evening; should have results of ballots by then
#Whip: just heard jockeys at Newbury have voted to strike; all but 1 rider said yes to strike; result of similar vote at Donc not known yet balloting of PJA members at Newbury (voted yes), Doncaster (not yet known) & Wolverhampton (this evening); seems to be Flat only atm senior riders in conference call discussions this evening; should have results of ballots by then
Why shouldnt Hughes make a comment and not you then Gerry
Looks like an all out strike the...What poor mickey mouse meetings are going to get hit i wonder
hope they do strike......they will look ridiculous...
and may even lead to a total whip ban.
and may even lead to a total whip ban.
gerry, i don't and have never thought this is about hughes, i think he was right to say what he thought, ie the rules are wrong but he as a senior member of the weighing room should be ensuring that whatever they all agree on is in everyones interests, if it's ok for him but not the majority then tough, he'll have to give up a bit
i don't think that is the case though, i think that too many people are quoting before the details have even been properly discussed, so they keep getting caught out
clearly a complete lack of control and a lack of confidence for an outcome to be determined through the proper channels
i don't think that is the case though, i think that too many people are quoting before the details have even been properly discussed, so they keep getting caught out
clearly a complete lack of control and a lack of confidence for an outcome to be determined through the proper channels
Egner why would they look ridiculous if they strike. In fact I would suggest they will look ridiculous if they dont strike. They should have struck when the iron was hot ie about 3 days before last Saturday.
They will pick a day when all the top jockeys are away anyhow and the poor journeyman/woman one ride a day jockey that actually pay to go to work will be left scratching their Niagara's if they have them 
for the day
for the day
elise - if it hasn't been properly discussed, why on earth did Hughes rush back into action today? He's trying to take a stand and look principled - if he goes back on this what should we think of him?
...what DO THEY WANT arkeakle.....they ask for something..its given.....they are still not happy......is it the penalties...is it the number of whip strikes...if they cannot agree themselves then their position is hardly credible.....
and i have stated this before but will state it again...
if the jockeys had not flouted and in some cases completely ignored the OLD whip rules then perhaps they may have been kept....now it is out of their hands because they will not go back to the old rules......and i for one am glad.
and i have stated this before but will state it again...
if the jockeys had not flouted and in some cases completely ignored the OLD whip rules then perhaps they may have been kept....now it is out of their hands because they will not go back to the old rules......and i for one am glad.
Hmmm, Gerrys Reply history would suggest that this seems to be his specialised subjects
its handy this device to look for "Fifths"
its handy this device to look for "Fifths"
If they do strike, and the Great Hughsie does the media curcuit again, hopefully someone can actually grill him about the glaring inconsistencies in his outbursts.
as i said, i think this is about the sport not individuals, the pja and bha whilst i'm sure would like to appease the likes of hughes and soumi should be thinking about the young lads who get one ride a day if they are lucky and barely scrape a living in respect of their view on jockeys
Egner I dont know what they asked for and if they are voting in favour of striking then they must not have got what they wanted. Of course I would not be certain that they they knew what they wanted (or possibly it was badly articulated).
One thing for sure if Jockeys withdraw their labour the dispute eventually will be resolved on
terms basically implemented by them and surely heads will have to roll at the BHA.
terms basically implemented by them and surely heads will have to roll at the BHA.
Will Hayler of The Guardian
Rumours also strong at Doncaster that #whip strike has been agreed tho no confirmation. What a disappointing development
Rumours also strong at Doncaster that #whip strike has been agreed tho no confirmation. What a disappointing development
I hope they go on strike and then the BHA say NO CHANGE, then the jocks will look like proper mugs. What are they going to do then? Go on Strike again? I doubt it very much as i said the Journeymen jocks wont stand for that they will go to work and the other jocks will look like bigger mugs then what they look like now.
Jamie Stier, Kevin Darley and Roly Owers on Ch4's Morning Line tomorrow.
I'm sure we all have a great deal of sympathy for the bunch of shysters.
The BHA will come under some pressure from the Bookmakers in that case
Not necessarily, I wonder what would happen if the Maktoum family, and other big owners, weighed in on the side of the BHA. A lot of jocks and trainers would be scurrying for cover, imo.
i agree with AD and im not so sure we eck....
..depends greatly on their demands and the clarity with which they make those demands....
..the wider public..and call them uneducated about racing if you like...will lose sympathy very quickly if there is a hint they are striking to be able to whip the horses more.
..depends greatly on their demands and the clarity with which they make those demands....
..the wider public..and call them uneducated about racing if you like...will lose sympathy very quickly if there is a hint they are striking to be able to whip the horses more.
Because they might agree with what the BHA are trying to implement?
Have they given any indication, flat seasons virtually gone over here now....
Spencer wants freedom to beat the crap out of them like he does when he is in the U.S.
Sheikh Mo hasn't pm'd me recently, on here, but the point I'm obviously making is that this threat of strike action would completely disintegrate, if they did.
interesting times, i think if the trainers back the jocks then the Sheikh's wouldnt overrule. Then the BHA are GONE
not if the demands are to hit the horse more zilzla...
that will not do them any favours.
that will not do them any favours.
That's a fair point zil - the BHA are the regulatory body and if they were to back down that would be that for them, which is why they won't. Agree a further compromise and replace the current BHA board looks the most likely outcome imo...
Having had a few dealings with the BHA via the Watering Issues i wouldnt shed any tears if a good few of them went
that's where i was at the other day avi when roy refused the interview with sky news, they are an absolute shower
Of all the parties involved in racing the BHA are the least important (and by the way the general public apart from punters are not involed). That is an indisputable fact. You definitely need horses and jockeys. If you had no punters there would be no racing after a very short time. You cant have racing without jockeys so I cant see how a strike would fail. But if this is not sorted quicky UK racing can kiss its ass goodbye.
One thing is clear the BHA board need a great deal of help here - they are politically and intellectually short of what is required to run the sport. There is no shame in asking for outside assistance.
asking for outside assistance, posters on here have been doing a back flip and asking for members of the gravey train to be appointed to bha, and they call hughes for double standards
Aviboyd,all these issues are self inflicted,due to the BHA not liasing properly with all concerned over the various ongoing issues,of which there are many.Get everyone on board ,then racing goes forward and thrives,have confrontation,then the future is bleak.
Many of the statements published by them recently ,shows they are not pulling all parties together.The continuous spat with Betfair is just one example.
Many of the statements published by them recently ,shows they are not pulling all parties together.The continuous spat with Betfair is just one example.
where did he ask for people to be appointed to the gravy train?
1tp - there are people within the sport who are not on the 'gravy train' who could provide valuable assistance imo.
Another couple of jockeys suspended from Newbury according to ATR
The fixture list is yet another issue.Apparently the IJF is already printing 2012 calenders and diaries,taking a chance as they can't wait any longer.
unbiased - couldn't agree more. The BHA must be the one of the most incestuous organisations in Britain today, such a mentality has to change and it has to be now.
do these amendments mean the horse keeps the race,owners/trainers keep the prize and the cheating jockeys get paid ?
Oh THATS ALRIGHT THEN cant wait for future amendments
Oh THATS ALRIGHT THEN cant wait for future amendments
Tell you who I'd like to hear from on this subject, Mark Johnston. Here's a man with an opinion on everything yet nothing on this subject (not even a "blethering" since 16 Oct). I'd also be interested to hear what the trainers Jeremy Noseda and Lucy Wadham have to say. Have they tweeted anything does anyone know?
WTF "cheating jockeys".
What is the point of the horses running? It's to win
Why do the jockeys use the whip? Because they believe the horse has a better chance of winning?
Is the whip cruel? No
Does it injury the horse? No
Does it even hurt? No the guardian journalist got a wack and it didn't hurt?
Cheat whom? The punters? - No the owners? - No - the trainers? No
The muppets at the BHA - Yes
Well lets put those muppets first then.
What is the point of the horses running? It's to win
Why do the jockeys use the whip? Because they believe the horse has a better chance of winning?
Is the whip cruel? No
Does it injury the horse? No
Does it even hurt? No the guardian journalist got a wack and it didn't hurt?
Cheat whom? The punters? - No the owners? - No - the trainers? No
The muppets at the BHA - Yes
Well lets put those muppets first then.
13 day ban for Charles Eddery after his winning ride in the last at Newbury. The ban is an ABSOLUTE DISGRACE in my opinion.
The rules are encouraging jockeys NOT to try and win races.
STRIKE I SAY! The rules are in danger of ruining the game.
The rules are encouraging jockeys NOT to try and win races.
STRIKE I SAY! The rules are in danger of ruining the game.
orhow about ban the whip altogether GEORGE...
no bans....no financial penalties...a level playing field.....
..what not to like..????
no bans....no financial penalties...a level playing field.....
..what not to like..????
They don't want a level playing field, they want to beat the crap out of them when they have the money on and not bother when they haven't.
egner, I'm in danger of agreeing with you.
The cureent shambles cannot be allowed to continue.
The cureent shambles cannot be allowed to continue.
elise - of course I know that Johnston sits on the BHA board. Be interesting don't you think, to hear his reaction should any of the jockeys attached to his yard decide to strike?
Jockeys vote to strike after whip rule changes fail to stem fury
• Racecards on Monday or Tuesday may be wiped out
• Jamie Spencer, Paul Hanagan say penalties still too harsh
Greg Wood
guardian.co.uk,
Strikes by jockeys in protest at the British Horseracing Authority's strict new rules on the use of the whip could begin within days after amendments to the regulations which were published on Friday failed to avert the threat of industrial action by riders. Weighing-room votes after racing at both Newbury and Doncaster were reported to have resulted in strong approval for strike action, despite the BHA's earlier revisions, which were welcomed by high-profile jockeys including Richard Hughes and Frankie Dettori.
The BHA had made it clear before publishing its changes to the new regime that the amendments would be a final position rather than a basis for negotiation. The jockeys, however, seem to be in a mood to put the regulator's resolution to the test.
No riders were prepared to comment on the record at Doncaster, but a show of hands in the weighing room is reported to have shown strong support for a strike on either Monday or Tuesday next week, while at Newbury it is believed that only one jockey was against taking action.
The lingering anger in the weighing room was articulated earlier in the afternoon by Jamie Spencer, who told the At The Races television channel that he is "disappointed with a lot of the guys that have taken it all lying down".
Spencer called for unity among riders to force the BHA to address their concerns. "I think history is repeating itself, like on every other issue," he said. "We're weak, with no strength behind us and everybody waves the flag too easy.
"French jockeys stick together, the Australians stuck together over the whip and this is why we're probably racing for peanuts everyday of the week. We never put a fight up for anything, we take everything lying down.
"Nobody is bothered about the seven strikes, it's just the penalties, they don't add up. I don't think it will affect the Flat jockeys as much as it will the jump guys. The whole thing for me is a shambles."
Paul Hanagan, the reigning champion jockey and a rider whose disciplinary record has been almost spotless over the last two seasons, also expressed concerns about the penalties for breaches. Jockeys will no longer lose their riding fees, and will keep their share of prize money earnings if they do not exceed the limits by more than one stroke. However, breaches will still be punished by "entry point" penalties of at least five days' suspension.
"It could finish some lads and that wouldn't be good," Hanagan said. "A lot of lads are saying they need more than seven. I would put up with seven to be honest, so long as the days come down. If you use it eight times, it should be a day's ban, nine times should be two days.
"I think if you're going to get someone that goes out there and hits a horse 15 or 20 times, or even 10 times or 11 times, then they should get the book thrown at them. But eight times on three-mile chasers in soft ground, that's the ones it's going to be hardest for."
Earlier, Hughes had expressed satisfaction at being back in the saddle, having refused to ride since 13 October, when he picked up his second ban under the new rules in the space of four days. Hughes was successful on Usain Colt, his first ride of the afternoon at Newbury.
"My beef was with the rules about five strikes after the furlong pole so I'm happy about that," Hughes said, "but I don't think much else has changed. It's great the BHA have held their hands up and seen it wasn't working. You don't really know if it works until you actually test it out and luckily they saw very quickly it wasn't going the right way and they changed it."
The BHA offered no response on Friday to the news of the strike ballots
• Racecards on Monday or Tuesday may be wiped out
• Jamie Spencer, Paul Hanagan say penalties still too harsh
Greg Wood
guardian.co.uk,
Strikes by jockeys in protest at the British Horseracing Authority's strict new rules on the use of the whip could begin within days after amendments to the regulations which were published on Friday failed to avert the threat of industrial action by riders. Weighing-room votes after racing at both Newbury and Doncaster were reported to have resulted in strong approval for strike action, despite the BHA's earlier revisions, which were welcomed by high-profile jockeys including Richard Hughes and Frankie Dettori.
The BHA had made it clear before publishing its changes to the new regime that the amendments would be a final position rather than a basis for negotiation. The jockeys, however, seem to be in a mood to put the regulator's resolution to the test.
No riders were prepared to comment on the record at Doncaster, but a show of hands in the weighing room is reported to have shown strong support for a strike on either Monday or Tuesday next week, while at Newbury it is believed that only one jockey was against taking action.
The lingering anger in the weighing room was articulated earlier in the afternoon by Jamie Spencer, who told the At The Races television channel that he is "disappointed with a lot of the guys that have taken it all lying down".
Spencer called for unity among riders to force the BHA to address their concerns. "I think history is repeating itself, like on every other issue," he said. "We're weak, with no strength behind us and everybody waves the flag too easy.
"French jockeys stick together, the Australians stuck together over the whip and this is why we're probably racing for peanuts everyday of the week. We never put a fight up for anything, we take everything lying down.
"Nobody is bothered about the seven strikes, it's just the penalties, they don't add up. I don't think it will affect the Flat jockeys as much as it will the jump guys. The whole thing for me is a shambles."
Paul Hanagan, the reigning champion jockey and a rider whose disciplinary record has been almost spotless over the last two seasons, also expressed concerns about the penalties for breaches. Jockeys will no longer lose their riding fees, and will keep their share of prize money earnings if they do not exceed the limits by more than one stroke. However, breaches will still be punished by "entry point" penalties of at least five days' suspension.
"It could finish some lads and that wouldn't be good," Hanagan said. "A lot of lads are saying they need more than seven. I would put up with seven to be honest, so long as the days come down. If you use it eight times, it should be a day's ban, nine times should be two days.
"I think if you're going to get someone that goes out there and hits a horse 15 or 20 times, or even 10 times or 11 times, then they should get the book thrown at them. But eight times on three-mile chasers in soft ground, that's the ones it's going to be hardest for."
Earlier, Hughes had expressed satisfaction at being back in the saddle, having refused to ride since 13 October, when he picked up his second ban under the new rules in the space of four days. Hughes was successful on Usain Colt, his first ride of the afternoon at Newbury.
"My beef was with the rules about five strikes after the furlong pole so I'm happy about that," Hughes said, "but I don't think much else has changed. It's great the BHA have held their hands up and seen it wasn't working. You don't really know if it works until you actually test it out and luckily they saw very quickly it wasn't going the right way and they changed it."
The BHA offered no response on Friday to the news of the strike ballots
Where the hell is this going next? With hindsight Darley should have fronted up to ATR RUK and led the way rather than getting different views and opinions. To me it seems like there now could lead to a split within the jockeys ranks, either way they should all be singing from the same sheet.
Going to read my Chasers/Hurdlers annual tonight, the way its going it might be the last one.
The Stewards held an enquiry into the use of the whip by Charles Eddery, the rider of the winner, BLIMEY O’RILEY, from two furlongs out. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race, they found him in breach of Schedule (B)6 Part 2 in that he has used his whip with excessive frequency. As the offence warranted a suspension at the upper level, the Stewards suspended Eddery for 13 days as follows: Friday 4, Saturday 5, Wednesday 9, Thursday 10, Friday 11, Saturday 12, Monday 14, Tuesday 15, Wednesday 16, Thursday 17, Friday 18, Saturday 19, and Tuesday 22 November. Under Schedule (D)6 the rider shall not be entitled a percentage of any prize money.
The Stewards held an enquiry into the use of the whip by Adam Beschizza, the rider of DOUBLE HANDFUL (GER), placed second, from two furlongs out. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race, they found him in breach of Schedule (B)6 Part 2 in that he has used his whip with excessive frequency. As the offence warranted a suspension at the upper level, the Stewards suspended Beschizza for 7 days as follows: Friday 4, Saturday 5, Wednesday 9, Thursday 10, Friday 11, Saturday 12 and Monday 14 November. Under Schedule (D)6 the rider shall not be entitled a percentage of any prize money.
The Stewards held an enquiry into the use of the whip by Adam Beschizza, the rider of DOUBLE HANDFUL (GER), placed second, from two furlongs out. Having heard his evidence and viewed recordings of the race, they found him in breach of Schedule (B)6 Part 2 in that he has used his whip with excessive frequency. As the offence warranted a suspension at the upper level, the Stewards suspended Beschizza for 7 days as follows: Friday 4, Saturday 5, Wednesday 9, Thursday 10, Friday 11, Saturday 12 and Monday 14 November. Under Schedule (D)6 the rider shall not be entitled a percentage of any prize money.
Just watched the ride on Blimey O'Riley again. Eddery has given him 6 'proper' smacks, and before that slaps down the neck either to stop him lugging left or / and to get the horse out from behind horses around 2f out.
13 days ban is draconian, imo.
13 days ban is draconian, imo.
GG 18:31 Is Lucy Wadham represented on the BHA Board?
momontai - no, well not specifically. Her husband is aboard member though.
Blimey is obviously a difficult ride. Both jocks gave excellent rides. I'm so fed up with this namby pamby group of people that have given in to the no-nothing animal rights brigade that I'm going to do a Hughes. Will not bet again on British racing until the rules revert,which will probably never happen. The BHA has taken competitiveness out of the sport.
Crikey - I didn't realise Hughes had refused to bet on British racing until the rules revert back. He must mean business.
terry norman
Nicky McKay hit Beach Babe nine times at Wolves(7.50pm). It won but he will probably lose prize money now. Wouldn't have won without the help
Nicky McKay hit Beach Babe nine times at Wolves(7.50pm). It won but he will probably lose prize money now. Wouldn't have won without the help
Cornelius Lysaght
#Whip: PJA has called on members not to strike; action counter-productive; need to work with BHA re penalties
#Whip: PJA has called on members not to strike; action counter-productive; need to work with BHA re penalties
terry norman
Nicky Mckay got sevn days earlier at Wolves, Julie Burke five days. Kieren said he would be riding at Redcar on Monday
Nicky Mckay got sevn days earlier at Wolves, Julie Burke five days. Kieren said he would be riding at Redcar on Monday
PJA calls on jockeys not to strike over whip rules
BY GRAHAM GREEN racingpost.com
THE Professional Jockeys Association on Friday night moved to quell the possibility of strike action as a significant number of jockeysthreatened to protest next week over the controversial new whip rules.
This comes despite the BHA relaxing elements of the changes which have infuriated riders since they were introduced on October 10.
Jockeys are reported to be planning strike action next Friday and Saturday in order to cause maximum disruption to televised meetings. In the interim they plan to hand the BHA an ultimatum.
The board of directors of the PJA called on jockeys to carry on riding as normal. Leading riders, including Frankie Dettori and Tony McCoy, will be sending a strong message to their colleagues at fixtures on Satuday and Sunday that any form of protest involving not riding would be counterproductive.
The implementation of the stringent changes last week plunged the sport into crisis and, despite the BHA ceding to some of the jockeys’ demands – such as scrapping the edict of five strikes in the final furlong/after the finalobstacle and agreeing that the riding fee should not be forfeited for any rule breach – it is understood a straw poll of jockeys at Newbury on Friday found 98 per cent, according to an observer, in favour of a protest.
The canvass of opinion at Doncaster did not produce such a clear-cut signal of intent, but further debate was slated for Wolverhampton’s meeting, while a conference call was set to take place between senior PJA executives and leading riders.
Although welcoming aspects of the BHA’s announcement, PJA chief executive Kevin Darley warned that riders still had “serious concerns” over elements of the regulations and said views were being sought.
Darley said: “The PJA is pleased the BHA has recognised the new rules over the use of the whip did require amendments, especially in regard to the limitations on the use of the whip in the final furlong and after the last fence in Flat and jump racing, as well as in regard to the forfeiting of riding fees. We’re pleased they have said the impact and effectiveness of the rules will be constantly monitored, and jockeys will wish to be fully consulted.
“There are still some serious concerns about the level of penalties for minor infringements. A jockey could still be in breach and face a heavy penalty for using the whip in the best interests of safety and horsemanship. There are also concerns about the way the rules may impact differently on Flat and jump racing.”
Darley added: “Discussions among jockeys will continue today and over the weekend. These amendments have been announcedonly this morning and time is needed to assess them. Opinions are being canvassed among jockeys.”
BY GRAHAM GREEN racingpost.com
THE Professional Jockeys Association on Friday night moved to quell the possibility of strike action as a significant number of jockeysthreatened to protest next week over the controversial new whip rules.
This comes despite the BHA relaxing elements of the changes which have infuriated riders since they were introduced on October 10.
Jockeys are reported to be planning strike action next Friday and Saturday in order to cause maximum disruption to televised meetings. In the interim they plan to hand the BHA an ultimatum.
The board of directors of the PJA called on jockeys to carry on riding as normal. Leading riders, including Frankie Dettori and Tony McCoy, will be sending a strong message to their colleagues at fixtures on Satuday and Sunday that any form of protest involving not riding would be counterproductive.
The implementation of the stringent changes last week plunged the sport into crisis and, despite the BHA ceding to some of the jockeys’ demands – such as scrapping the edict of five strikes in the final furlong/after the finalobstacle and agreeing that the riding fee should not be forfeited for any rule breach – it is understood a straw poll of jockeys at Newbury on Friday found 98 per cent, according to an observer, in favour of a protest.
The canvass of opinion at Doncaster did not produce such a clear-cut signal of intent, but further debate was slated for Wolverhampton’s meeting, while a conference call was set to take place between senior PJA executives and leading riders.
Although welcoming aspects of the BHA’s announcement, PJA chief executive Kevin Darley warned that riders still had “serious concerns” over elements of the regulations and said views were being sought.
Darley said: “The PJA is pleased the BHA has recognised the new rules over the use of the whip did require amendments, especially in regard to the limitations on the use of the whip in the final furlong and after the last fence in Flat and jump racing, as well as in regard to the forfeiting of riding fees. We’re pleased they have said the impact and effectiveness of the rules will be constantly monitored, and jockeys will wish to be fully consulted.
“There are still some serious concerns about the level of penalties for minor infringements. A jockey could still be in breach and face a heavy penalty for using the whip in the best interests of safety and horsemanship. There are also concerns about the way the rules may impact differently on Flat and jump racing.”
Darley added: “Discussions among jockeys will continue today and over the weekend. These amendments have been announcedonly this morning and time is needed to assess them. Opinions are being canvassed among jockeys.”
A couple more bans at Wolverhampton tonight,
we are going to have a record number of jockeys on the sidelines soon.
Julie Burke got banned tonight for hitting her horse when he was out of contention.
And that apprentice Eddery at Newbury who got banned for hitting his mount 12 times today,
that is way outside the rules. Then Eddery says
"The game has gone" maybe someone should check these boys can actually count.
we are going to have a record number of jockeys on the sidelines soon.
Julie Burke got banned tonight for hitting her horse when he was out of contention.
And that apprentice Eddery at Newbury who got banned for hitting his mount 12 times today,
that is way outside the rules. Then Eddery says
"The game has gone" maybe someone should check these boys can actually count.
The canvass of opinion at Doncaster did not produce such a clear-cut signal of intent, but further debate was slated for Wolverhampton’s meeting, while a conference call was set to take place between senior PJA executives and leading riders.
Seems to me that the PJA is something of a misnomer as its primary concern (if not sole concern) appears to be senior / leading jockeys rather than the rank and file of the profession. Don't know if the PJA charges a membership fee but if it does, perhaps the senior jockeys pay more....
Seems to me that the PJA is something of a misnomer as its primary concern (if not sole concern) appears to be senior / leading jockeys rather than the rank and file of the profession. Don't know if the PJA charges a membership fee but if it does, perhaps the senior jockeys pay more....
Wait until the winter is upon us. Wait until the rain comes and the going gets heavy. Wait for the combo to come with the 3 mile NH races.
Then we will test the new rules.
The jockeys are not happy, whatever some might say.
Lots of them are scared to stand up because as said today they are paid peanuts and many struggle to get rides. The number of entries are declining.
This issues has not finished yet.
There will be plenty more bans.
The jockeys should strike.
They are going to lose those days work anyway, so might as well achieve something by it.
Then we will test the new rules.
The jockeys are not happy, whatever some might say.
Lots of them are scared to stand up because as said today they are paid peanuts and many struggle to get rides. The number of entries are declining.
This issues has not finished yet.
There will be plenty more bans.
The jockeys should strike.
They are going to lose those days work anyway, so might as well achieve something by it.
i watched C Edderys ride and i saw nothing wrong with it, he hit it 6 times and was trying to correct the horse by slapping it down the side and he gets a harsh ban and losing his prize money.
what a joke, the funny part is i have seen that most other jocks have been slapping the horse down its size to encourage it and ive not seen nothing done to them.
this J Stier bloke, god knows why they hired him coming from down under, his interview was bad, i wonder why aussie racing let him come over here, so he could not kill there racing...
god help UK racing
what a joke, the funny part is i have seen that most other jocks have been slapping the horse down its size to encourage it and ive not seen nothing done to them.
this J Stier bloke, god knows why they hired him coming from down under, his interview was bad, i wonder why aussie racing let him come over here, so he could not kill there racing...
god help UK racing
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