De sousa, can he count?

winning jock had 2 smacks in the bank at the winning line i think

Used about 3

Only 2 in the last furlong but did quite a few previously.What a joke this rule is where a jockey has to try not to win.

I think he tried to pull the whip through and it got stuck

Agree entirely. Think he used 3 or 4. Should have used them all.

he wasnt trying not to win ffs, get a grip!!!!!

This is a joke.The game is now totally fecked

a fine example of the jockey being scared of getting banned rather than win

They can't remember. they hit it 3 or 4 times then forget a few strides later

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did you not notice the horse started to hang and he tried to pull it through but it was obvious he was having a problem trying to pull it through so gave up as it was too close to line.

Sums up everything that is wrong with the new ruling imo. Leave it as it was or ban it altogether. Simples.

he  used  1 .  The  horse  responded  very  well to  the  one  and  only  strike . The  horse  got  within  a neck  a  long  way  from  the  line  and he  didnt  bother  anymore.  Make  your  own  minds  up  from the  facts  as  to  whether  de  sousa  really  wanted  to  bother to  win .

Great rule for jockeys as they can mostly have an excuse for getting beaten.

Sorry guvnor but I he would have won if I could have stoked him up a bit.

look at the race again ffs he didn't deliberately only hit it once he's clearly having a problem trying to pull his whip through after the horse hung into the winner, take off the blinkers guys...

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i think with a head on view we would see that avon lady moved towards the fav as it got within a neck and that was enuogh to stop zoowra going past , it looked as if it was intimidated.

Confirms my fears. De Souza is still in line for the championship as wasn't risking a ban because he lost count. This rule is a joke.

why would he pull it through you nut case, he had the whip in the correct hand and if it was hanging he did't need to change his whip!

four now equals seven...

Plus he's trying to win the title!!!

No Sesame Street in Brazil when he was growing up imo

The whole thing is a disaster.

harcon

Had it been several other jockey's (no names) everyone would be calling 'cheat'.

I wonder are the jockeys doing this deliberately, basically a weighing room ploy to try and ridicule the new rules?

No doubt about it imo silver. It'll backfire on them I reckon.

"I wonder are the jockeys doing this deliberately, basically a weighing room ploy to try and ridicule the new rules?"

2 minutes ago you were telling us that we were wearing blinkers!

well I'm just going on what the jockey himself said that he thought he had use his quota even though I do think he got a little fuddled with his whip close to the line.

Its not fanciful to think jockeys wouldn't get together to try and ridicule the rules at every opportunity.

all  these  completely differing views , some  well  made  points  and  some  not ! , reinforce  my worst  fears  about  this  rule  . Itd  hard  enough  without  the  new  rules  for  the  stewards  to  decide  a  non trier  or  not  .  This  will be  impossible  to  police  in large  fields  and  some  jocks  have  now  many  more  excuses  when  they  say "  but  sir  , it  was  like this "

you said "ffs" and we "are all wearing blinkers" when in fact, you haven't a clue what you are talking about.  If you are not sure, don't come out with such strong stupid comments!

it is a maximum of 5 in the last furlong,he can use as few as he wants,he pushed and shoved and that was the chosen route,they don't have to use their hitting allowance.

But the horse responded to a crack of the whip ph. Why wouldnt you do it again?

Chaps, SDS thought he'd already used the whip seven times (whereas he'd used it only four).  But for the miscount he would have used the stick again and won the race...

Im going to concentrate on the cartoon racing at least you know there trying their hardest

Done a lot of cash on Zoowrra today but its right desperation trying to blame the new whip ban for costing her the race. Take it on the chin chaps :)

jmc27 - of course the new rules cost the horse the race, did you not hear the SDS quote!

SDS probably trying to take away from his tangled hands more like. The winner was much more game simple as the whip isnt a turbo ffs

jmc27 - SDS said he would have won if he'd had used the whip an extra time FFS.

how can you blame whip , only hit it once , wierd finish

Haha

My laughter is at the one more hit and he would have won, I have heard it all. WHat if Eddie Ahern hit his horse one more time would it have found another half length aswell then

jmc27 clueless windup merchant

der_der_73 you sound shrewd, little tip take a long look in the mirror before you call anyone else clueless. Man up and take your loses :)

losses pet

taking a big chance there me with speliing

Thanks x

the new rules  will reduce  the  number  of  times that  the  best  horse  wins  the  race . It  will also give  jockeys  far  more  " get outs "  in the  stewards  room and  it  will  result  in more  stewards inquiries owing  to  horses not  being  straightened on occasions  in  final  furlong . All  this   good  news  for  layers  ,  not  bettors

That's two well fancied favourites beaten simply because of the whip rules. Yesterday Steve Drowne today De Souza. The bookies will not be complaining anytime soon.

Wait until the rules go against them then the BHA will know the warmth of th whip. They are organised that is why the onus has been put onto the jockeys and the punters suffer because they are not organised or are preared to stand together. Divide and seperate.