NEWMARKET BOOKIES GOING ON STRIKE TODAY ???

pete thats good to here fair to you all its a disgrace the way we treated in that ring

where was it stated that was what the management were going to do

at the entrance where they pay to get in sinfin,also a notice on the gates once they were in.

then thats more of a disgrace i phoned them last week asking why they were not opening last weekend with the forecast of a red hot weekend on pay weekend for most people it wud of been packed and i was told that the ring does not open in winter say no more

I echo Jimnast's sentiments, it was good to see the books in agreement.  Not sure why the books weren't informed of this to allow them to make an informed decision on whether to attend or not.  It's not really on for bookmakers to only find out about this when they get through the gate, especially if you had come as far as from the Northwest say.

Well done to the punters who were the losers in this, at least until the gates to tatts would have been opened.  The ones that I spoke to were supportive; as I was leaving a growing group were asking for their money back.

What would be the likely reasoning for allowing them through after The Dewhurst & before The Cesarewitch ?

This sport is going more barking mad every day ,  are they trying to make it extinct.

jimnast glad to see you all stuck together well done,hope it works out for you,we need sliver rings

25/1
20/1
25/1

BUT? 25/1 trained by o'brian
     20/1 trainer now won race 4 of last 6 years
     25/1 ridden by frankie

maxed the first pony chance got a cheer anyway[;)]

thank you dr atkins,yesterday has gone now,its where we go from here,the great bonus for racecourse bookmakers yesterday was how disgruntled the paying public was because they had no choice but to bet with the tote,and as muldvap says there were punters wanting refunds.

talks are still going on with jockey club racecourses about our future,i dont know if yesterday will make them realise just a little what the public wont,on the down side i also saw the pure greed off somebody we are depending on so the hope i use to have isnt so strong anymore.

why didn't you have faith in the punters staying where they were

good morning swift

thats a very fair question and to be honest i am pretty sure most of them would have,in fact the ones who spoke to the books said they had no plans to go in tatts.but there is a point of principle here,we were not informed before hand which we could then have decided if it was worth going to newmarket or not,and what next not just for newmarket but for other courses aswell,

also what about the punters who paid full wack in tatts it isnt really fair on them is it  ?

morning jimnast

yes I basically agree with what you are saying

racecourse attendances are falling though and management have to try to cope with that somehow

swift from what some of the punters in the silver ring were saying i think newmarket took a big backward step ,they wanted there money back and wont be coming back.

from what i saw yesterday newmarket panicked,the pre sales were well down in tatts by letting a few extra in half way through the day would appear to swell the gate.i have been going to champions day for a long time as a punter up till i first bet there 2 years ago,never have i seen it so quiet,a lot of those newmarket get in on champions day have voted with there feet they have never been happy about the champion stakes been moved,i think next year will be even quieter.

i agree with a post i saw  a while ago[think it was ftm]about racecources shooting them selves in the foot..though ot would be the first time ive agreed with ftm.
look at admission prices,he highlighted punchestowns admission policy this season[check it out on their website!!]and the stance cheltenham are taking....think punchestowns about 15euro and chelt as we know are 60pounds for club.
Jimnast,im pleased you and the people in the silver ring had a little victory.

Bought tickets for Premier enclosure to watch Peter Andre last August for 2 adults and 2 children cost me £84 in advance had to pay for children,A few friends were going in Family enclosure taking picnic, so as nice day we decided we would go in Family enclosure instead using our Premier badges.they would not let us in family, said was full so we had to take our picnis back to car and eat them before they let us in premier kids were crying because all there friends were in family.We walked back up to family and they were letting people pay to get in so was not full.For the sake of the kids we paid another £60 for all of us to go in there needless to say we will not be going back.

habin67,

A sad story indeed. Absolutely despicable not to allow you into the Family Enclosure having already purchased Premier Enclosure tickets. I would write to:-

Stephen Wallis - Managing Director - Newmarket Racecourses
Rowley Mile Stands
Newmarket, Suffolk CB8 0TF
01638 675 500

I had my first experience of Newmarket racecourse last saturday. as it was quiet it was nice. but no big screen and you cant see a thing until last 100 yards. I wont be going back, as I would have been better watching at home. tho why not stick a figure of 8 track in front of the stands on the hill. would be great viewing.

robin i know where your coming from and to have no screen at the hq of brittish racing is disgracefull,however i cant agree about the figure of 8,the big plus about the rowley mile is the quality of racing you get,you wouldnt get it on a figure of 8 course.

the whole problem with newmarket is management which has been anti public for ten years now.
"if they want to come they will . if they don't they don't " tradition did mean they went , now they are or have lost their goodwill
lisa hancock upped the prices , cut out all concessions making oap's pay full price

1/the july course keep putting up prices for friday night concerts, racing totally secondary.
2/the silver ring was still available for true racegoers but this year they increased the admission in there to over £20 , thus keeping them away
3/ greene king had a brilliant arrangement with the racecourse management , filling the racecoure but the concessions given to greene king mean't the course got little on admission. but totally disregarded the fact that these racegoers filled their overpriced bars and ate their vastly overpriced food. all now gone

these public have now gone and next year will be worse. this management have to all be sacked immediately and a public friendly set of people put in place. it's all about marketing

skint, Stephen Wallis, not responsible, has been off sick for several months.

adge i was a newmarket member until hancock came along,that was the start of things going down hill,as you know i seldom miss a meeting on the rowley mile but that is only because of the quality racing it has ,the entrance price to all its fixtures is way to high,regarding next year i think the guineas meeting will hold up fine the rest i fear the worst.

i see newmarket was very pleased with a crowd of 9,000,and very pleased the hospitality was sold out,they never mentioned about the marquees in the center of the course,york got 20,000 plus for a back end card feauturing a sprint handicap.

their jobs are at stake [ or certainly should be ] so need to show a positive face

VERY PLEASED TO SEE THE 5 STICK IT OUT....JIMNAST...?...?...?...?

It never stopped raining at York either.  How did the business hold up in tatts adge, was it lower than last year (which I thought was poor)?

Seems to me that the courses can do whatever they want these days!... The future doesn't look too bright to me

you all must feel at one with the miners now,i hope youve ballotted correctly.

And look what happened to them

regarding york wasnot, do you think the 2 tattersalls pitches on the website are about their true value? currently considering a bid but i honestly thought they were hard to value!

How much are York pitches nwadays

a couple of similar numbers on there now for 22,800 and 25,000

So hard to price pitches at the moment.  Neither of those will get you on the grass for the big Saturdays but they are still OK.  I wouldn't spend that sort of money on a pitch this close to 2012 without knowing what deal is going to be struck regarding commercial fees.  York has held up fairly well in the recession through offering good value for money imo.  Still down, but not as much as others.

thanks for the reply wasnot. respected and appreciated

don't seem to badly priced to me,however if york doesn't rock your boat BDH is conducting his annual cheltenham sale on the positions for sale site.

eorry wasnot been out.
my turnover was just above 50% of my take last year although most results suited.
even so it was moderately better than cambrigeshire day

One bookmaker was heard to say 'if any layer had not won at least a thousand pounds yesterday they should be ashemed of themselves' !!! [:x]

One bookmaker was heard to say 'if any layer had not won at least a thousand pounds yesterday they should be ashemed of themselves' !!! [:x]

Hi Democrat
What a ridiculous comment.
I suupose he assumed the ones leaving after 4 races had already got their grand.

Dont upset him sugar - I dont think he's gone to bed yet !!

To "The Rowley 5".  Well done for making this stance.  I am in full support.

I will be contacting Newmarket, SBPA and AGT to make my views known and suggest others do the same.

Next year it is highly likly that an annual marketing fee of 5 x entry fee will be levied by Newmarket.  If Silver Ring Books choose to pay this they want it used to to get people into that enclosure not out!

He is entitled to his view and i am mine, will have to agree to disagree on this one.

It is madness that in the height of the recession we are in, that racecourses are not promoting Silver Rings more. Racing can not be compared to Premiership Football as some, probably most, courses run by non racing people dream they are in.  Racing is a minority sport. Racing needs to accept this fact.

Thank goodness we still have the likes of Salisbury and a few other courses which are run by PROPER racing folk. Long may they prosper.

Barry,sorry to hear Stephen is off sick, but he must shoulder the blame,Stephen i compare to Premiership Manager,Gets Epsom Relegated then gets another Job, Newmarket for Relegation this Season.

facts please

a lot of courses could learn from salisbury,huge crowd there will be today.

steve

good luck with speaking to our associations but from what i witnessed on saturday i would hold no hope whatsoever of them helping other bookmakers.

don't be so sure jimnast
can you confirm that neil pateman [ AGT ] knew nothing of the plans before you told him on saturday

If any NBPA members were involved Alan,a letter from our association validated by a director and signed by the chairman would not do any harm.

adge

neil knew nothing about it,and did his very best to sort it out,but the racecourse were not for moving on it until the punters started giving them grief,by then 2 books had gone so there was no way we could bet.

A BIG WELL DONE TO THE NEWMARKET SILVER BOOKS FOR ACTUALLY STICKING TOGETHER(WHETHER THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE CASE IF THE "IM ALRIGHT JACK" BRIGADE HAD BEEN INVOLVED IS DEBATABLE.I CANT RESIST REPLYING TO THE EARLIER POST REGARDING YORK TATTS PICKS,THE RING AINT WORTH TWO BOB AND THATS A FACT,I WOULD GO AS FAR AS TO SAY THERE AINT A PICK WORTH OVER 10K,HAVING STOOD THERE ON ONE OF THE BUSIEST DAYS OF THE YEAR,APART FROM CHELT FESTIVAL TATTS,HAS TO BE THE BIGGEST CASE OF THE EMPERORS NEW CLOTHES EVER,ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS IN CLOUD COOKOO LAND OR IS SELLING UP

onthejim

i am a member of the mbpa but wont be for much longer,as thetruth said in his post,im alright jack brigade shown there true coloures.

thanks jimnast / onthejim,
i reported that the AGT were unaware in advance. thanks for confirming.

your welcome adge.

thetruth - we've stood in tatts at York for over 35 years and it's always been alright in our opinion.  Guess you picked wrong.

the truth ,
there is always a reason why pitches come up for sale.
although i'm certain that the fact that the rowley silver numbers 1 and 2 being in the auction sale last week is pure coincidence

i would agree with that adge.

WASNOT,WORKED AT YORK ON AND OFF FROM THE LATE SEVENTIES,STOOD IN A 90K PICK AND MOVED AROUND FROM PICK 8 TO ON THE GRASS,THE PLACE HAS TOTALLY AND UTTERLY GONE,FACT,I DONT DOUBT WHAT U SAY,BUT IM ONLY SPEAKING FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

CAN AND DO TAKE MORE AT LUDLOW,PICK21.

JUST MAKES ME LAUGH WHEN PEOPLE ARE BANDING FIVE FIGURE SUMS AROUND FOR YORK TATTS,I MUST BE MISSING SOMETHING.

not what it was but york is undoubtedly taken over the whole season comfortably the best tatts where i bet at and probably in the country.hth.

so are we all agreed that newmarket will feel justified in charging silver ring bookmakers at least DOUBLE the 2011 badge fee for the same saturday next year ?

Will those two pitches be sold anywhere near their reserve price?
Mot a cat in he lls chance.

When is your MOT due?

number 1 went beyond its reserve price and has a result number 2 would not sell his at the auction price because of the sale price of number 1

number 1 went for 4,500 a monkey higher than it was in for dont know what number 2 did from what i have heard thats the right price for both parties

the people that brought number 1 were deparate to get on frontline hence they were always going to be the buyer however thats not the benchmark for pitches in that ring as theres only 3 daya a year that r any good and that becomes none if its not sunny

did pick 2 go

My apologies.
I was refering to the two York Tatts pitches not Newmarket.
As for the Mot,Skint hadaway & boil yer heed.

threesome no he wouldnt sell it at 3 large ones

why dont you ask the other books to stick a 50 each in it would be worth it to them

in my opinion when its a warm sunny day  theres no different in any number as long as you on frontline and when its bad weather you dont want to be there at all

THETRUTHHURTS     10 Oct 11 11:14 
JUST MAKES ME LAUGH WHEN PEOPLE ARE BANDING FIVE FIGURE SUMS AROUND FOR YORK TATTS,I MUST BE MISSING SOMETHING.

such as good looks and a personality maybe ?

At least one cat in hell tony!

who's bought the york pitches?

What numbers were they?

Yes
I'll hold my hand up & say I was wayout on that one.

28 & 31.

Can't see those being much good!.. I reckon there is brick wall after the first 10

I see number 18 at Uttoxeter is up for sale for £6,000.  Nice to see in these desperate times that someone still has a sense of humour

[;)]

MORE ACTION IN 18 AT UTTOX THAN ITS COUNTERPART AT YORK,AND A BETTER INTERNET CONNECTION FOR THE COMMISION AGENTS

AS IM SURE DONEITHERE WOULD AGREE

good old rlyl, prob have to sell some gaga merchandise to fund the purchase though

u can pick on the wife;junior;car;house and everything else ~ but plse leave gaga out of it

see you tomorrow

what is 80% of nothing?

lol - just one of those days where everything went the right way

every dog has its day ~ the fish have gone 2 beddy-bies and so am I

Just wondering, for the next Newmarket little meeting on Wednesday 19 October how many Bookies will turn up and will they outnumber the crowd?

you can cross me off for one

Dont blame you, I can not see there being more then 1000 myself

I couldn't be bothered to go on 'Future Champions Day' so 0% chance of me being there until 2000 Guineas 2012.  If the management can't be @rsed to promote it I can't be @rsed to attend as a bookie.

happy with newmarkets response today.

What was that jimnast?

Lucky? enough to be a member at both Newbury and Newmarket.  Fair to say HQ has quite a lot to learn.     A GCSE marketing student could probably prepare a better business plan to attract punters through the gates.

I remember as a young manager on poor money going racing and often going into the silver ring with the other poor "Fish"

These hard done by books betting to about 130-140% and nobody having a clue they were being raped.

Aint Karma a biatch

But of course NONE of you boys were those bookies eh [;)]

correct zippie , none of them were

Almost impossible to 'lay a book' now. Even at 1% per runner. Funny how the people who bet still seem to think they are are ripped off by the greedy 'books'. Absolute B*****ks! Punters have never had it so good (well apart from being ripped off with the course entrance fees, oh and the beer, oh and the food, oh and the Tote)