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• BHA chairman urges sport to support modernisation
• Betfair judicial review costs have been capped
Greg Wood
guardian.co.uk,
Paul Roy, the chairman of the British Horseracing Authority, told the Leaders In Racing conference in London on Thursday that the sport "can't wait five years" for a solution to its funding problems while expressing the hope that the Department for Culture Media and Sport (DCMS) understands the urgency of the issue.
Roy was addressing a seminar entitled "Racing 20/20, a Vision of the Future?" at a £900-a-head conference at Chelsea FC's Stamford Bridge ground.
He offered no firm timetable for talks aimed at devising a commercial replacement for the current Levy system, but told the audience that in his view racing does not have a problem, it has a £50m hole in its funding.
"It hasn't happened over 10 years, it's happened over three," he added. "How can any business manage itself in that position, or plan the fixture list it needs? Thankfully the government now realises that [the Levy system] won't work … and I'm confident that we're going to be seeing action."
Earlier Roy said that racing needs to maintain its traditions and build around them while at the same time make efforts to modernise. "That is the ethos of what the BHA is setting out to do in the sport," he added. "There is a proliferation of new initiatives and ideas from Rod [Street, the chief executive of Racing for Change] and other people, and I think that is a fantastically positive thing and very healthy.
"Some people, not surprisingly, don't like change and are resistant, and I don't pretend that some of the things we are trying to implement at the moment are necessarily going to work, but I am very confident that the majority will.
"I'm pretty fed up with people, not just in the racing fraternity, but in the world at large, who want to talk it down. It's time that all of us started talking it up, because there are a huge number of positive things happening."
In answer to a question from an employee of the Betfair betting exchange, Roy also said that he had "capped" racing's share of the costs in its pursuit of a judicial review of the Levy Board's decision not to pursue layers on Betfair for Levy payments. However, he would not confirm the size of the potential bill that racing faces, with the remainder presumably being paid by the BHA's partner in the case, William Hill, one of Betfair's direct competitors.
Earlier John Penrose MP, the DCMS minister with responsibility for racing and gambling, said that the two industries should be symbiotic, but claimed that the Levy system is almost designed to create friction. "Wouldn't it be far better for the future of the sport and the gambling industry if it didn't need people like me?" he added. "It will take a huge amount of hard work and goodwill, and a certain amount of pushing and prodding, but we are starting that process now."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/
• Betfair judicial review costs have been capped
Greg Wood
guardian.co.uk,
Paul Roy, the chairman of the British Horseracing Authority, told the Leaders In Racing conference in London on Thursday that the sport "can't wait five years" for a solution to its funding problems while expressing the hope that the Department for Culture Media and Sport (DCMS) understands the urgency of the issue.
Roy was addressing a seminar entitled "Racing 20/20, a Vision of the Future?" at a £900-a-head conference at Chelsea FC's Stamford Bridge ground.
He offered no firm timetable for talks aimed at devising a commercial replacement for the current Levy system, but told the audience that in his view racing does not have a problem, it has a £50m hole in its funding.
"It hasn't happened over 10 years, it's happened over three," he added. "How can any business manage itself in that position, or plan the fixture list it needs? Thankfully the government now realises that [the Levy system] won't work … and I'm confident that we're going to be seeing action."
Earlier Roy said that racing needs to maintain its traditions and build around them while at the same time make efforts to modernise. "That is the ethos of what the BHA is setting out to do in the sport," he added. "There is a proliferation of new initiatives and ideas from Rod [Street, the chief executive of Racing for Change] and other people, and I think that is a fantastically positive thing and very healthy.
"Some people, not surprisingly, don't like change and are resistant, and I don't pretend that some of the things we are trying to implement at the moment are necessarily going to work, but I am very confident that the majority will.
"I'm pretty fed up with people, not just in the racing fraternity, but in the world at large, who want to talk it down. It's time that all of us started talking it up, because there are a huge number of positive things happening."
In answer to a question from an employee of the Betfair betting exchange, Roy also said that he had "capped" racing's share of the costs in its pursuit of a judicial review of the Levy Board's decision not to pursue layers on Betfair for Levy payments. However, he would not confirm the size of the potential bill that racing faces, with the remainder presumably being paid by the BHA's partner in the case, William Hill, one of Betfair's direct competitors.
Earlier John Penrose MP, the DCMS minister with responsibility for racing and gambling, said that the two industries should be symbiotic, but claimed that the Levy system is almost designed to create friction. "Wouldn't it be far better for the future of the sport and the gambling industry if it didn't need people like me?" he added. "It will take a huge amount of hard work and goodwill, and a certain amount of pushing and prodding, but we are starting that process now."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/
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a £900-a-head jamboree - in times of austerity.
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" while expressing the hope that the Department for Culture Media and Sport (DCMS) understands the urgency of the issue."
"hope" - is such WEAK word
It implies that there is nothing that the one living in hope can do.
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"Thankfully the government now realises that [the Levy system] won't work … and I'm confident that we're going to be seeing action."
Racing Passing the buck - yet again.
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" "There is a proliferation of new initiatives and ideas from Rod [Street, the chief executive of Racing for Change] and other people, and I think that is a fantastically positive thing and very healthy.
Dream on ..... or, do some more 'hoping'.
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"It's time that all of us started talking it up, because there are a huge number of positive things happening."
Talk is cheap ..... and just where are these, "huge number," of positive things?
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Earlier John Penrose MP, the DCMS minister with responsibility for racing and gambling, said "Wouldn't it be far better for the future of the sport and the gambling industry if it didn't need people like me?"
At last a sane voice in the wilderness.
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" while expressing the hope that the Department for Culture Media and Sport (DCMS) understands the urgency of the issue."
"hope" - is such WEAK word
It implies that there is nothing that the one living in hope can do.
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"Thankfully the government now realises that [the Levy system] won't work … and I'm confident that we're going to be seeing action."
Racing Passing the buck - yet again.
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" "There is a proliferation of new initiatives and ideas from Rod [Street, the chief executive of Racing for Change] and other people, and I think that is a fantastically positive thing and very healthy.
Dream on ..... or, do some more 'hoping'.
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"It's time that all of us started talking it up, because there are a huge number of positive things happening."
Talk is cheap ..... and just where are these, "huge number," of positive things?
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Earlier John Penrose MP, the DCMS minister with responsibility for racing and gambling, said "Wouldn't it be far better for the future of the sport and the gambling industry if it didn't need people like me?"
At last a sane voice in the wilderness.
Who are these people paying £900 a head. Surely not owners who can`t afford a pot to piss in .
Not a hope in hell while Paul Roy is within inches of MPs and Horses.nap
What this twaat means is the same as the Racing Posts Question of the day.
WHAT WAS THE BEST CONCERT YOU ATTENDED THIS YEAR AT A RACECOURSE.
KKKHHuNTS.
WHAT WAS THE BEST CONCERT YOU ATTENDED THIS YEAR AT A RACECOURSE.
KKKHHuNTS.
"It hasn't happened over 10 years, it's happened over three," he added. "How can any business manage itself in that position, or plan the fixture list it needs? Thankfully the government now realises that [the Levy system] won't work … and I'm confident that we're going to be seeing action."
The answer is the panacea that is 'quantitative easing', ably supported by its younger brother, 'credit easing' imo.
The answer is the panacea that is 'quantitative easing', ably supported by its younger brother, 'credit easing' imo.
I admire Paul Roy for at least making some decisions and having a firm opinion.
this is infinately better, than the usual political lightweight in such positions that never does naything for fear of upsetting anyone...
I find his ability to seeming always choose the worng horse and laos upset and alinate everyone quite impressive.
then his distain for punters.... not really sure he should hold his position when he has no time for punters.
this is infinately better, than the usual political lightweight in such positions that never does naything for fear of upsetting anyone...
I find his ability to seeming always choose the worng horse and laos upset and alinate everyone quite impressive.
then his distain for punters.... not really sure he should hold his position when he has no time for punters.
BHA Chairman Paul Roy offers Fresh Start for Racing
10/01/2007
The British Horseracing Authority's Chairman Paul Roy, making his first public speech since taking up the role, yesterday declared his hope that the new body could offer a fresh start for racing.
Addressing the Thoroughbred Breeders' Association Annual General Meeting in London, where he was a guest speaker, Roy declared: "I want to make absolutely clear to you today that the BHA is not just a name change and yet another new acronym in racing. It is a genuine fresh start; a ground-breaking new concept in sports administration. It is the most independent governing and regulatory body in British sport. It will be performance-driven, dynamic and responsive, and its decisions will be taken for the greater good, free from sectional interest."
Roy admitted that factionalism within racing politics had previously put him off getting more involved.
He said: "Although a lifelong follower of racing, and an owner and breeder, I'd long been put off and disillusioned by the in-fighting, the politics and the factions. However, I viewed the formation of the BHA, in what is a radical restructuring of governance and regulation, as a tremendous opportunity for the industry to come together as one."
"Indeed, I hope that my role at the BHA will eventually result in me getting a knighthood for services to horse racing"
10/01/2007
The British Horseracing Authority's Chairman Paul Roy, making his first public speech since taking up the role, yesterday declared his hope that the new body could offer a fresh start for racing.
Addressing the Thoroughbred Breeders' Association Annual General Meeting in London, where he was a guest speaker, Roy declared: "I want to make absolutely clear to you today that the BHA is not just a name change and yet another new acronym in racing. It is a genuine fresh start; a ground-breaking new concept in sports administration. It is the most independent governing and regulatory body in British sport. It will be performance-driven, dynamic and responsive, and its decisions will be taken for the greater good, free from sectional interest."
Roy admitted that factionalism within racing politics had previously put him off getting more involved.
He said: "Although a lifelong follower of racing, and an owner and breeder, I'd long been put off and disillusioned by the in-fighting, the politics and the factions. However, I viewed the formation of the BHA, in what is a radical restructuring of governance and regulation, as a tremendous opportunity for the industry to come together as one."
"Indeed, I hope that my role at the BHA will eventually result in me getting a knighthood for services to horse racing"
A knighthood? He should certainly feel something sharp fall on his neck.
Ooops! That final line was just a figment of my imagination. I'm sure he'll be in line for a peerage instead.
Magician,it is impossible to admire Roy for anything at all.He has proved to be a very poor leader,and is incapable of uniting all parties involved,which is the only way to make progress.
It can be done,but with the right leader.His latest move with Topping is an act of desparation,and certainly doesn't endear himself to the exchanges,which is very necessary,so all speak from the same sheet.All pull together.
Confrontation,and more confrontation,similar approach used by Saville,it doesn't work.
He appears to be incapable of seeing the whole picture clearly,only sees what he wants to see.
How often have his team and the Levy Board's team visited LBOs and seen the current state of play.All their recent statements show that not to be the case,unaware of the increase in sports betting to the detriment of horserace betting,but no,their eyes are closed.
It can be done,but with the right leader.His latest move with Topping is an act of desparation,and certainly doesn't endear himself to the exchanges,which is very necessary,so all speak from the same sheet.All pull together.
Confrontation,and more confrontation,similar approach used by Saville,it doesn't work.
He appears to be incapable of seeing the whole picture clearly,only sees what he wants to see.
How often have his team and the Levy Board's team visited LBOs and seen the current state of play.All their recent statements show that not to be the case,unaware of the increase in sports betting to the detriment of horserace betting,but no,their eyes are closed.
I think most people are now realising Saville wasnt so wrong about many points
He may have been right about a few things,but was also a poor leader,and went about his business in the wrong way.Aggressive rather than uniting,couldn't see the whole picture.
Sad fact of life that the higher up the ladder people go, the less able they seem to become at seeing all around them.
Its a set of circumstances unique in the world though unbiased, so many groups and so many interests
Accept that point zilzal,but,at the same time,do you not think that the game has suffered by having a succession of poor leaders?There must be somebody out there with both a good brain,and most importantly,good people skills.
The future of British racing is reliant on the 'initiatives and ideas' of Rod Street LMFAO, RIP British horse racing.
LMFAO, RIP British horse racing.
1. We have probably got the highest admission fees of anywhere is the racing world
2. Gross Profits tax has meant that all Parties in racing(bar the punter) benefit from unpredictable results and the leaders havent helped themselves by putting their foot in it several times over the past decade.
3. Exchanges have been great short term for the punter but they will turn out to be bad for the long term of racing, eventually they will eat themselves.
4. There are far more easier way to gamble now, the Pond, once populated with thousands of sprats, is now looking emptier, lots of bigger fish are circling around looking for something to eat
2. Gross Profits tax has meant that all Parties in racing(bar the punter) benefit from unpredictable results and the leaders havent helped themselves by putting their foot in it several times over the past decade.
3. Exchanges have been great short term for the punter but they will turn out to be bad for the long term of racing, eventually they will eat themselves.
4. There are far more easier way to gamble now, the Pond, once populated with thousands of sprats, is now looking emptier, lots of bigger fish are circling around looking for something to eat
The world is changing fast,yet the BHA haven't moved at the same pace.
Look at racecourses,they realised that their large capacity venues would be good for entertainment,on racing and non-racing days.Whether we like it or not,it was a step forward and was good business.
Look at racecourses,they realised that their large capacity venues would be good for entertainment,on racing and non-racing days.Whether we like it or not,it was a step forward and was good business.
Paul Roy is as odious as the last one,Jimmy The Skunk.
He should do the game a favour and p1SS off.
He should do the game a favour and p1SS off.
Paul Roy - no new thinking, just the same misguided logic thats continuing to cost racing money it can ill afford
A 'business' user of any exchange is no different to a recreational user - every 'opportunity' is open to every user - therefore his crusade is doomed
I would like any of his supporters to define 'business user' - in terms that are not available to any other user
A 'business' user of any exchange is no different to a recreational user - every 'opportunity' is open to every user - therefore his crusade is doomed
I would like any of his supporters to define 'business user' - in terms that are not available to any other user
I would like any of his supporters to define 'business user' - in terms that are not available to any other user
This is trivially simple - it is anyone who pays tax on their profits ie bookmakers (unfortunately this opens up a whole can of worms re non-bookmakers and tax).
This is trivially simple - it is anyone who pays tax on their profits ie bookmakers (unfortunately this opens up a whole can of worms re non-bookmakers and tax).
He hasnt a cat in hells chance of winning but does he really think winners would pay up to 60% PC and pay tax as well ?
I think it is time to let everybody stand alone.Let racing be self funding through advertising,entries and footfall on the courses. If courses can't generate a profit or break even after wages and costs then they go to the wall.The Govt. should legislate that racehorse betting is available off course via the High St or internet in pool form only.The two parties can't live together so let them go their own way and prosper or fall.I'm pretty sure that racings need of the High St is the more significant just now but cut their cloth,race on only profitable courses and cull the dross into two meetings per day weekdays and three on weekends ( Bank Holidays ). There should be an increased on course attendance and a more competitive product.Probably too basic and harsh to work for those with their noses allocated troughing facilities but the current scenario certainly doesn't.
I was in Spoilsports this a.m and they had(no word of a lie)in the 5 minutres i was there, on there screens they had Cartoon Greyhounds, Cartoon horses, Cartoon Motor Racing
, Cartoon football and a cartoon roulette machine and there was about 20 people in the shop and around 6 or 7 of them where betting on it...Off track Bookmakers can live without genuine horse racing, please believe me.
, Cartoon football and a cartoon roulette machine and there was about 20 people in the shop and around 6 or 7 of them where betting on it...Off track Bookmakers can live without genuine horse racing, please believe me.
of course they can so racing should cull the high st friendly fixture list and become purely self serving.
It hasn't happened in ten years, it's happened in three
No, it's happened in ten; only in the most blinkered literal sense is his statement true. Meanwhile he has been diluting the sport, making working conditions impossible in commercially non-viable small yards, by bending over backwards to the bookmakers and putting on rubbish--wallpaper for their FOBT players to give it another spin.
The sad thing is that the horses (that is, the historical bloodlines), the trainers, the courses and the races are all fine. It is only the people, in particular the marketeers, letting the sport down.
And they do this because they all want the same piece of a shrinking pie. The worst expression of this is people like Roy's belief that anything won by skilled or professional punters is taken away from owners. What kind of industry drives profitability long-term by driving up prices and shutting down access? Good punters are racing's publicity agents; it should encourage a free betting market and welcome any that survive.
No, it's happened in ten; only in the most blinkered literal sense is his statement true. Meanwhile he has been diluting the sport, making working conditions impossible in commercially non-viable small yards, by bending over backwards to the bookmakers and putting on rubbish--wallpaper for their FOBT players to give it another spin.
The sad thing is that the horses (that is, the historical bloodlines), the trainers, the courses and the races are all fine. It is only the people, in particular the marketeers, letting the sport down.
And they do this because they all want the same piece of a shrinking pie. The worst expression of this is people like Roy's belief that anything won by skilled or professional punters is taken away from owners. What kind of industry drives profitability long-term by driving up prices and shutting down access? Good punters are racing's publicity agents; it should encourage a free betting market and welcome any that survive.
They don't have the ability to understand betting,only the ability to tax it.
Punter's voice never listened to,yet major contributor.
I saw the virtual motor racing in a Beecham Pill shop,the manager said it is no difference from Portman Park or Deenby Green,or for that matter,roulette.All a number's game,and punters do bet on it.
Punter's voice never listened to,yet major contributor.
I saw the virtual motor racing in a Beecham Pill shop,the manager said it is no difference from Portman Park or Deenby Green,or for that matter,roulette.All a number's game,and punters do bet on it.
Why doesnt Roy start a betting exchange and have exclusive big screens on all racecourses ? Then he can charge winners whatever he likes.
I blame the Foot and Mouth. Unbelievable but it was the best thing that ever happened to bookmakers. They brought in the lovely visual sweet virtual racing to keep the shops busy and now it's turned into a monster.
Virtual horse race helps festival beat crisis
March 12, 2001
Manchestereveningnews.com
HORSE-RACING fans will be able to tune in to the Cheltenham Festival even though it has been postponed due to the foot and mouth disease crisis.
Manchester-based computer firm Red Vision has been drafted in to create a virtual reality version of the most important meeting in the jump-racing calendar which was due to have been held this week.
The company, which has offices in Canal Street, has picked a team of tipsters to predict the outcome of the races based on the form of the horses and their jockeys.
They have used electronic wizardry to simulate the main events. The virtual reality races will be broadcast on satellite TV so that enthusiasts can get a flavour of what they are missing.
One bookmaking company has even said it will honour bets on winners -- but not on seconds and thirds - that were placed before the postponement. Steve Goldman, software director of Red Vision, said: ''I wish I could bet because we know who the winners are.
''It is quite a tall order. We were only asked to do the job last Tuesday. We have had to create the highlights of each race with all the horses and the right silks.''
A professional commentator, who will not know the results in advance, will be used. ''The tape of the computer races will be collected by security guards from our offices to be delivered to the television station.
''We have done graphics for virtual horse races before. We were asked to do a virtual Grand National for the visitors centre at Aintree and an Internet horse racing game.''
''Each race will be screened at the time the real race should have taken place.'' Red Vision were asked to recreate the festival's main races - the Gold Cup, Champion Hurdle, and Queen Mother Champion Chase - to be shown on Sky TV. The races were commissioned by the Racing Post and Irish bookies, Paddy Power
March 12, 2001
Manchestereveningnews.com
HORSE-RACING fans will be able to tune in to the Cheltenham Festival even though it has been postponed due to the foot and mouth disease crisis.
Manchester-based computer firm Red Vision has been drafted in to create a virtual reality version of the most important meeting in the jump-racing calendar which was due to have been held this week.
The company, which has offices in Canal Street, has picked a team of tipsters to predict the outcome of the races based on the form of the horses and their jockeys.
They have used electronic wizardry to simulate the main events. The virtual reality races will be broadcast on satellite TV so that enthusiasts can get a flavour of what they are missing.
One bookmaking company has even said it will honour bets on winners -- but not on seconds and thirds - that were placed before the postponement. Steve Goldman, software director of Red Vision, said: ''I wish I could bet because we know who the winners are.
''It is quite a tall order. We were only asked to do the job last Tuesday. We have had to create the highlights of each race with all the horses and the right silks.''
A professional commentator, who will not know the results in advance, will be used. ''The tape of the computer races will be collected by security guards from our offices to be delivered to the television station.
''We have done graphics for virtual horse races before. We were asked to do a virtual Grand National for the visitors centre at Aintree and an Internet horse racing game.''
''Each race will be screened at the time the real race should have taken place.'' Red Vision were asked to recreate the festival's main races - the Gold Cup, Champion Hurdle, and Queen Mother Champion Chase - to be shown on Sky TV. The races were commissioned by the Racing Post and Irish bookies, Paddy Power
lets be honest the racing at Lucksin or Trumpton has more genuine jockeys and trainers than those who are regularly seen at Suvvell or Wolves plus the form probably stands up a little better.
unbiased 07 Oct 11 15:18
They don't have the ability to understand betting,only the ability to tax it.
Punter's voice never listened to,yet major contributor.
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A succinct, and accurate, appraisal.
They don't have the ability to understand betting,only the ability to tax it.
Punter's voice never listened to,yet major contributor.
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A succinct, and accurate, appraisal.
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