ADRIAN MASSEY

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just read on the adrian massey is a legend facebook site that he might have sold his ratings to a high street bookmaker?

poacher turned gamekeeper

it would explain the no way to pass it on to anyone else to run.

say it aint so

Adrian has in fact clarified to me yet again, today, that this is exactly the case. He has hundreds of emails (and will not be able to reply to them all, I'm sure: in fact he's said expressly that he can't). I'm sure he's perfectly happy to hear from users of the ratings thanking him for their 13-year history, but he really isn't open to productive suggestions of "saving the ratings", or any other parts of the site, including the database, I'm afraid.

Nigel Simmons
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just read this on the masseyforum sounds final to me!

time to move on, already left betfair after yesterdays debacle.
withdrew all my money so goodbye.

shut the door on your way out

thanx larry grayson

Mr% on suicide watch imo. how many systems did he have? also the worst he had the worst spelling ever

it always was marias little thiefdom.

i made the mitake of correcting her a couple of times, first a **** pm, second time i couldnt log in again, and they were polite corrections to her waffle.

no email or anything to say why i was banned, i emailed adrian and asked him why, he replied to just join again if i wanted to still post there with a new email addy.

she is definately the reason they have so few users.

be dead in the water now, just her and a couple of m8s in 3 months.

Proform Professional Prices (Minimum order is 8 weeks)
1 - 12 weeks  =  £13.75 per week
13- 29 weeks  =  £12.75 per week
30 or more weeks  = £11.75 per week


bit steep imo

seems a fair price for proform but most of these 3700 want something for free and that wins and makes a profit, they will carry on dreaming its possible for free

Very steep just one of the many things you would actually think about subscribing to if the pricing wasn't so greedy, £20 a month would be fair, but proform, raceform, timeform , visual form book and formbet they all want £50 -£80 a month, at £20 i would probably subscribe to a couple of them, at £50 i will leave it, shame they would probably get the same income from tempting more customers, tried all of them except timeform and they all have useful features just not useful enough to want to slash out over £50 every  month for, Massey was very rare in having a useful free online racing resourse.
i also look at racingoracle.net for free speed figures and patternform but the ratings used there are just re-hashed RPR and Topspeed so not much fresh about them, used to be excellent years ago when incorporating his own speed ratings.
Just a shame one of these firms can't price in the average racing enthusiast instead of turning us off

Proform looks very interesting,and prices look fair,but MINIMUM SUBSCRIPTION 8 WEEKS.What happens if you discover in the first weeks research that it's not for you.Seven weeks money down the pan.

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The ratings have been available on temporary site since problems with main site started

Yes,but they finish for ever on Saturday.

BRING BACK THE MASSEY RATINGS !!!!!!!!!!!

NOW

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HRB example set of ratings for Champion:

No     Horse     LR     2LR     3LR    Hrs     Spd     Jck     Trn     Stn     Tdy     Total     Odds FC
4     Hurricane Fly (IRE)     129     64     39    303     0     0     7     0     13     323     7/2
10     Peddlers Cross (IRE)     108     63     35    276     0     0     6     0     15     297     4/1
6     Menorah (IRE)     122     60     34    279     0     0     5     0     13     296     7/2
3     Dunguib (IRE)     125     47     36    274     0     0     3     0     13     290     9/1
7     Mille Chief (FR)     126     54     29    260     0     0     5     0     10     274     14/1
8     Oscar Whisky (IRE)     107     54     35    249     0     0     9     0     13     271     8/1
11     Thousand Stars (FR)     105     50     34    250     0     0     7     0     4     262     22/1
5     Khyber Kim     98     60     35    250     0     0     4     0     6     259     11/1
2     Clerks Choice (IRE)     101     41     31    227     0     0     2     0     7     238     50/1
9     Overturn (IRE)     56     58     7    199     0     0     5     0     7     210     40/1
1     Bygones of Brid (IRE)     91     26     17    189     0     0     2     0     6     196     200/1



HRB example set of ratings for 2.40 race:

No     Horse     LR     2LR     3LR    Hrs     Spd     Jck     Trn     Stn     Tdy     Total     Odds FC
6     Caroles Legacy     114     58     33    271     0     0     8     0     12     290     11/1
8     Bensalem (IRE)     109     49     35    238     0     0     4     0     9     252     6/1
4     Great Endeavour (IRE)     114     44     34    236     0     0     5     0     9     250     6/1
2     Rare Bob (IRE)     130     40     26    238     0     0     3     0     7     249     20/1
1     Blazing Bailey     110     54     20    227     0     0     4     0     6     237     14/1
11     Sunnyhillboy (IRE)     108     42     33    223     0     0     4     0     8     236     5/1
16     The Rainbow Hunter     97     45     27    219     0     0     2     0     6     229     20/1
5     Fair Along (GER)     106     33     36    219     0     0     4     0     6     229     25/1
9     Reve de Sivola (FR)     64     48     32    211     0     0     5     0     9     224     9/1
10     King Fontaine (IRE)     61     53     30    201     0     0     3     0     9     212     25/1
17     Carrickmines (IRE)     83     50     23    201     0     0     4     0     4     209     33/1
15     Adams Island (IRE)     93     11     30    190     0     0     5     0     8     205     18/1
13     The Sawyer (BEL)     68     55     23    196     0     0     2     0     5     203     33/1
19     Wolf Moon (IRE)     96     35     15    183     0     0     4     0     6     194     12/1
7     Exmoor Ranger (IRE)     58     39     30    182     0     0     5     0     5     193     25/1
14     Slippers Percy (IRE)     89     47     26    184     0     0     2     0     3     188     50/1
3     Chief Dan George (IRE)     83     30     8    174     0     0     2     0     5     181     22/1
12     Razor Royale (IRE)     66     30     9    157     0     0     4     0     5     166     22/1
18     No Panic (IRE)     21     25     16    116     0     0     4     0     6     127     66/1

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Ratings.Ratings.My kingdom for some CHECKABLE ratings. (Similar to Massey).

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Card No	Form	Horse	Age	Weight	Jockey	Trainer	OR	FC Odds	HRB Total
2	21411	Bostons Angel (IRE)	7	11-4	Power, R M	Harrington, Mrs John	146	14.00	289
11	21111	Wayward Prince	7	11-4	McCoy, A P	Williams, Ian	147	8.00	287
5	95112	Magnanimity (IRE)	7	11-4	Russell, D N	Hughes, D T	145	20.00	275
6	31511	Master Of The Hall (IRE)	7	11-4	Geraghty, B J	Henderson, N J	148	16.00	272
4	37112	Jessies Dream (IRE)	8	11-4	Murphy, Timmy	Elliott, Gordon	151	8.00	265
7	11F53	Mikael DHaguenet (FR)	7	11-4	Walsh, R	Mullins, W P	155	7.50	263
10	12211	Time For Rupert (IRE)	7	11-4	Kennedy, W T	Webber, P R	161	2.25	260
12	21111	Wymott (IRE)	7	11-4	Maguire, Jason	McCain Jnr, D	148	9.00	249
1	22111	Aiteen Thirtythree (IRE)	7	11-4	Jacob, Daryl	Nicholls, P F	159	8.00	249
3	41173	Elysian Rock	7	11-4	Ferris, M J	Morris, M F	126	150.00	232
9	651F1	The Giant Bolster	6	11-4	Greene, R J	Bridgwater, D G	146	16.00	230
8	2F61F	Quel Esprit (FR)	7	11-4	Townend, P	Mullins, W P	145	20.00	208

Excellent.Can you post the last 5 years so I can do some serious research ?

Sadly, no.  Not possible at present.   

However, judging by the latest blog posting (http://horseracingstudy.blogspot.com/2011/03/important-site-update.html)

......."we will be creating far easier to use areas to query the ratings performance in different scenarios and to save them into systems."

it's a distinct possibility you'll be able to do that in the not too distant.

If you go to google and type in Adrian Massy there is  link to the temp website all tomorrows ratings are on there. Dodgy

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You've got a problem, mate

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fcuk you idaho c*nt

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For me, the main problem with the Adrian Massey ratings was encapsulated in the Ryanair Chase, in which Albertas Run was his lowest rated horse. I'm not suggesting it should have been his top-rated selection, but it has strong Festival form and is, overall, a good horse, especially in the Spring. But according to Massey's computer program, it's the worst of all. Moreover, if you were to lay it on the basis of its ratings, you'd be pretty angry.

HRB ratings didn't fare much better SS

as has already been pointed out on this thread, there are a number of different approaches to try to profit from published ratings. One obvious course if the ratings are popular and widely used, is to see if they are overbet as a result.

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Since Adrian changed from the "old" ratings to the new a year or so ago, the rating have not produced as much success.
He started to include NH, irish and overseas form and it didn't seem to work.....the system I worked to anyhow.

I'm gutted that he has stopped.....but not as much as if he'd have stopped a while ago. IYKWIM .

SeldomSeen, the "Albertas Run" anomaly has been in AM's ratings for years.  When I started looking at his ratings in 2004(?), watched for three months to see how the "bottom 3" did.  The bounce was clearly there. 

But as one that uses filters to look at cards, once you build an algorithm, you stick to it since, for example in horses, it might not always throw up the winner but it might find a value ew in the same race. 

The other thing I found over the years with the ratings is that once you got into a field like a Cheltenham or a Royal Ascot, when you have 8, 10, 12 horses with ability, it goes beyond the ratings. 

If nothing else, AM's site made me think more and more about racing and the importance of keeping track of performance to narrow down your decision making. 

How I used the site was not the front pages but how he rated the past runs.  From there, I built my own algorithms for each track. 

I remember taking his historical and plotting them against results to try to match how he did it.  I shelved that and have built my own that I will fine-tune this flat season.

But if anyone does know the foundation of his ratings, would love to know.

But if anyone does know the foundation of his ratings, would love to know.

What I mean is not the prediction, but the post-race rating:  i.e. how does he get to the number.

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last day tommorrow

is the whole site going down ?

sorry can't be bothered to read through this.

custom system builder has been great for me as it includes betfair sp's

yes finishing tomorrow

shame

Thanks for everything Adrian and very best wishes for the future.

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massey stopping after today according to a notice on his site
todays are here
http://adrianmassey.no-ip.org/web1/19/rating.php

"massey stopping after today according to a notice on his site"

Adrian is packing in due to personal circumstances, last day 19th March apparently.

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well will certainly miss his site

of course wish him all the very best for the future!

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Anyone know a good alternative to the "custom builder" on the Massey website? Something that you toggle about with putting in for example -

P Nicholls
Fontwell
Class 1-7
Any odds
Any jockey

then getting the statistical breakdown?
Does Raceform Interactive or Timeform - i do this?

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Ballydoyle, horseracebase.com has everything you need and more. It's better than Massey for stats analysis. OK it's 7.5€ a month - so what.

Bets Wins WinStrike SP_PL Places PlaceStrike Races RaceStrike ROI
175 46 26.29% -63.71 39 22.29% 166 27.71% -36.41%

Here is the answer to your query. Took 30 seconds

Hi mitch, yeah, i was playing about with that website but it isn't nearly as user friendly as Massey's.

With his, you could put P Nicholls - Fontwell and out pops a list of all winners, by class, by odds etc ie

Class 1 W-R
Class 2 W-R
Under 8-1 W-R

etc etc. Can horseracebase do this or Timeform or Raceform?

sorry but no other site can do anything like Massey

just give up betting, hope this helps

Must be something out there surely? people say raceform interactive can do everything you want?

horseracebase does all that you want, from that sort of example you have given ballydoyle.

the search criteria takes a while to locate everything as there are a lot of options (more than massey). the advantage of adrians site was the inclusion of betfair SP to calculate returns. you can convert industry SP to approximated betfair odds on HRB but i really liked the actual prices AM site returned.

before i joined HRB i had a 3 free day trial (last nov)

not sure whether its still going but i'd certainly check it out. you are not tied in for any longer than 1 month so even if no free trial still 7.5e is worth it to check it out for the month imo.

Must be me cos I can get from my example P Nicholls - Fontwell but how do you break down results class by class for example?

quick search tick trainer and course and submit then highlight p nicholls and fontwell.

if you want them results returned by class you would go into full search and tick class and run query you would then have paul nicholls at fontwell and results for class.

if you wanted other break downs for nicholls at fontwell choose full search extra you can then break down results into multiple categories.

HRB definitely does what massey can

system builder > check Track, check Trainer, click Go

select Fontwell from Track and Nicholls from Trainer, click Go 

click Fullset > check Race Class, click Go

Table shows results, min bets drop down menu set by default to 25 bets, can be changed to any number
table can be sorted on any field

criteria can be saved in one of your system slots

lol is there an echo in here

Re Anyone know a good alternative to the "custom builder" on the Massey website?

Hi Ballydoyle

I use Proform software not free but very versitile and very powerful.

Hmmm.it's ok but nothing like as user friendly as Massey and would require some amount of digging

With Massey, you can just punch in P Nicholls at Fontwell and immediately it lists all the stats and you can see that he's to be of interest in Class 4 or below non-handicaps under 8-1. So easy....totally sucks he is chucking the site!

i don't know what else to add it takes a bit more effort but the searches can be far more defined.

if its not for you thats a shame.

ballydoyle you want profiler on horseracebase

use the search facility to locate Nicholls and then click on Profiler

of course swift

i only really use that for horses but yes that would give a good at a glance breakdown.

Aaah...I'm only on the free trial just now. Where is profiler? Dont think you can get that from the free trial?

am watching match at moment

is it under tools ?

got it....yeah this could be what I'm looking for...just playing about with it now...

good

pain in the arse this...it isnt user friendly at all..

thanks guys anyway for your help...think i'll have to have a check at raceform interactive or timeform-i to get what I need.

sadly missed.

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