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OKAY ILL START OFF ONCE WEVE FILLED IN ..A.. YOU CAN MOVE ON TO ..B... AND SO ON ..........YOU CAN BITS TO THE GUY IF YOU WANT TO ...........A IS FOR AVALON ,EDDIE AVALON A WEST COUNTRY BOOKMAKER WHOSE MOTTO WAS ,"HAVE IT ON WITH AVALON" HE DIED AROUND 1988 GIVE OR TAKE, A DECENT  SORT OF BLOKE ,WHO WAS ALWAYS HAPPY AND CHEERY
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Report bbc2 February 4, 2011 2:42 PM GMT
think archie died alpoints
Report puttform February 4, 2011 3:09 PM GMT
duggie wilson in the south

best pitchs son was not interested

went in the antique game
Report bisto February 4, 2011 3:22 PM GMT
Puttform,
Antique game diffrent gravy!
Report puttform February 4, 2011 4:05 PM GMT
so right bisto

but in the seventies pitches were goldmines
Report allpoints February 4, 2011 6:30 PM GMT
bbc
Yes I'd heard he'd died.When I look back & think of some of the rows we had I've got to smile.He was the master at pulling strokes when doing the lines at the flaps.
A classic I'll never forget was at Carsuis(cann't even spell the name now)when he put the line in at an angle.After the first race when we were all in he twisted his board round so we were all a foot behind.Everytime I went to the flaps in Wales we were arguing about seniority,I don't think I ever won an argument with him but I still liked the guy although I called him allsorts at the time.
Report REGIT February 4, 2011 7:06 PM GMT
TESS TICKLE is famagusta open now,or just the turkish side.dad was in forces and lived there twice.took my mum back 2 years ago and stayed in larnaca.coudnt believe un were still patroling.many happy memories as a kid.played football on the beach with jimmy greaves and dave mackay.in those days was just a holiday for the teams that came out.about 1968 i think.we used to have a meze at the avenida restaurant just off jfk avenue.happy daysLaughLaughnow im one of those commision agents who go out 70 days a year and have 25% back on here.
Report bbc2 February 4, 2011 7:31 PM GMT
did you know roy spiller allpoints
Report chipfire227 February 4, 2011 7:52 PM GMT
quality thread, brought back some great memories from the northern circuit.

dont think anyone mentioned brian trewhitt who bet as gus carter. a man of very few words. think his son nicky sold his pitches to buy up shops and then sold them.

is colin websters son, the one with one arm, still kicking about ? think he  was called david. he was a really nice bloke. very natty dresser.
Report ribero1 February 4, 2011 8:03 PM GMT
gus carter team got out a long time before you could sell pitches.david webster hasnt been seen on a racecourse for 10 years.
Report foxy February 4, 2011 10:04 PM GMT
at least 10 years ribero (jimnast)
Report allpoints February 4, 2011 10:06 PM GMT
BBC
Sorry that name doesn't ring a bell.Is that who he traded under?
Report bbc2 February 5, 2011 8:31 AM GMT
yep he bet on the welsh flaps horses and dogs
Report bbc2 February 5, 2011 8:32 AM GMT
now at the pearly gates track
Report porfavor February 5, 2011 11:45 AM GMT
Another northern bookmaker that I don't think has been mentioned is George ( Peter ) Horne. His son, Phillip, is a stalwart in the BK empire, with special responsibility for keeping a lid on the tin. Peter could start an argument in an empty room, but he was a decent layer. He is alive and well and enjoying his retirement.
Report Captain McCluskey February 5, 2011 11:52 AM GMT
is little Harold who tic tacd for Ketts alive ?
Report porfavor February 5, 2011 12:01 PM GMT
Can't be sure, but was his name not Ted? Don't know what happened to him.
Report clayfield1 February 5, 2011 12:04 PM GMT
Another northern bookmaker not mentioned,Billy Flintom from leeds
Report DIGGER1 February 5, 2011 12:05 PM GMT
Ketts had two tic tacs Harold and Ted.
Report porfavor February 5, 2011 1:42 PM GMT
Billy Flintham was (as I seem to remember ) a really big player in the ring but was quite opinionated. If you worked for him you had to wear a white shirt and a tie. Again, I can't be sure, but I think he went skint.
Around the same time Topper Robson went from bookmaker to professional punter.

More recently, when buying and selling started, Captain George ( John Critchley ) sold up and moved to France. I don't think that he has been in good health for the past few years.
Report factmachine February 5, 2011 2:39 PM GMT
FAMOUS and IMFAMOUS NORTH WEST BOOKMAKERS.PAT WHEELAN,IAN GARTSIDE(AS IN BE ON THE SMARTSIDE),BOB COLLINS,ROY BARKER,KEITH SWAIN,FREDDIE ABLE,CLARY WOOD,ALBERT BROWN,ANDY MELIA,JIMMY TUNSTALL,JOHN AINSWORTH,PADDY HINES,TEDDY HARRIS,NOTRMAN TAYLOR,MAURICE LYNDSAY,WALLY FENTON,JIMMY BURNS,GLEN GRAHAM,BILL TAYLOR,JOE PHILLIPS,HARRY JOY,BILL CORBETT,TERRY HIGGINS,JIMMY ASHALL,MANNY COOK,ARE JUST A FEW TO MENTION.
Report porfavor February 5, 2011 3:11 PM GMT
Fact. Ian Gartside was the form man on the firm, but the pitches were in the name of Ian Spencer.
Report allpoints February 5, 2011 6:43 PM GMT
Another couple of decent blokes fron the N.West,
John McArdle
Gordon Crawford-bet as George Simpson
Both unfortunately no longer with us.
Report bbc2 February 5, 2011 7:09 PM GMT
jock shah
Report Shalimah February 5, 2011 7:23 PM GMT
somebody just told me Michael Cunninham has retired.
End of an era.
Report ribero1 February 5, 2011 7:42 PM GMT
correct shalimah,just shows you how the game has changed,billy flintham from sheffield surely?
Report chipfire227 February 5, 2011 9:14 PM GMT
apologies ribero, brian trewhitt did indeed retire 83/84 (?) and son nicky kept the gus carter pitches going for maybe a year before quitting, so well before he could sell them.

as has been said john joyce retired and sadly passed away around the same time. think his clerk briefly kept the racecourse pitches going. i believe that he was the son of joe douglas (carlisle) though and couldnt take the pitches over once joyce died as seniority couldnt be passed on to a non relative in those days. may be wrong but sure there was a big kerfuffle over it at the time. peter (sheepskin) watson produced rule book (nap)

joyce's family kept the many betting shops in the john joyce name going until a few years ago when they sold out to corals. i still see his bag man, ray, from time to time in one of those shops.

dog racing must have been big right up until the 70's as john joyce used to bet alongside my grandad, johnny ridley, at hartlepool, which was only a flapping track, yet had two of the biggest layers in the north in the ring. to offset that they also had billy day betting there. and i use the term betting in the loosest sense of the word. what he was actually doing was knocking people back. used to play for boro i believe and had pitches in the silver ring at a few northern meets. think dennis sweeney had a pitch there for a while. like i say not bad for a flap.

was it bill farrell who used to bring a box of pies to every carlisle meeting ? bet under that name, dont think it was his real one. nice pies, wouldn't lay a bet though.

there was also a bookie keeled over and died at the end of one newcastle meeting in the 80's. was paying out one minute, dropped down dead the next. he did look about 100. think his surname may have been priest, not sure. another you could never get a bet on with.
Report flyer February 5, 2011 9:58 PM GMT
I remember betting with Colin Waldron (he had a brother Alan, he played for my team, Bolton, in the 70's), but Colin was a big name at Burnley.......is he still around??
Report wasnot February 5, 2011 10:13 PM GMT
Dont think Alan Fothergill has been mentioned yet, Fothergill and Powell.
Report porfavor February 5, 2011 10:46 PM GMT
Chipfire. You are partly right about John Joyce. Joe Douglas's son Tommy repped for him but it was never expected that he could take over the pitches as it contravened all the rules of the BPA's. John's son also called John was not the least bit interested in taking them over and to be fair it would have been a travesty if Tommy had taken them over as he was not in the same league as John snr. and would certainly have got the firm skint.

Bill Farrell had several pitches in the north and did , in fact, trade under his own name.

Finally, Nick Trewhitt of Gus Carter fame probably bet in his dad's pitches for a good 10 years before packing it in to concentrate on the betting offices. One of his workers was Austin Carney, who with two others bought out the then small firm of Reuben Page, later to become Pagebet and also to end up in liquidation.
Report porfavor February 5, 2011 10:57 PM GMT
Incidently, Chipfife, Your grandad, Johnny Ridley, father of the current layer of the same name and famous for his muffler ( a scalf to the uninitiated ) was one of the finest bookmakers ever to attach his hod to a joint.
Report jimnast February 6, 2011 9:13 AM GMT
flyer

there was an article in the racing post about colin waldren a couple of weeks ago,he runs a credit betting buissness the old fashioned way,it was a full page spread on him it shouldnt be hard to get hold of.
Report jimnast February 6, 2011 9:16 AM GMT
wasnot alan f thought there were already to many bookmakers beyond them pearly gates so he opened a fashion outlet.
Report ribero1 February 6, 2011 11:20 AM GMT
alan f was a good friend and knew the game inside out,died tragically young,as for him opening a boutique (60s era) up there,its 1.01 he is still banging on about personal seniority!
Report chipfire227 February 6, 2011 12:29 PM GMT
thanks porfavor, i started working on course probably 1978-1979 so was lucky enough to spend a fair bit of time working with my grandad before he passed away and he always struck me as being as close to the definition of a gentleman as you could get. probably a bit too gentle sometimes, i wish i had a fraction of  the money people, including a couple of bookmakers, knocked him for.

i was only a kid at the time (15-16) and it was bizarre being in an enviroment surrounded by mainly old gadgies, who carried huge sums of money about in their pockets, and spoke largely about things totally alien to me. i guess i was lucky to an extent being a boy given insight into a mans world, but with hindsight i'm pretty glad i got out when i did in the mid 80's to do something different, because a lot of the people on course only seemed to have one interest in life, and that was gambling. Laugh

when i was 19 and most of my mates were drinking and sleeping with as many women as they could, i seemed to spend ridiculous amounts of my time fathoming how i could get from catterick to pelaw dogs in time for the first. even at 16 when i went in to see the careers teacher and she asked what my ambition was i think i replied " to own a decent open racer."
Report DIGGER1 February 6, 2011 1:34 PM GMT
Hello mate Chipfire227 how you doing long time no see seems a lifetime ago since we were playing five a side.
Report jimnast February 6, 2011 1:36 PM GMT
it was up at the plate meeting ribero.
Report know all February 6, 2011 1:49 PM GMT
easybet, fat bald glasses bloke bet in the north, one of the first with computers in the late 90s layed decent bets and came in on a whirlwind and went out as quickly, when asked what went wrong he said that his master plan was to buy all the top pitches get known for taking a bet build his reputation and be on course for the next 20 years.
He said he remembered going to a auction at kelso? and that clive feller standing up and stating there will be no boards on rails and a few weeks later they had agreed boards on rails.

The fat bald glasses bloke was a businessman and was not used to the lies and uncertainty of the shower at the njpc, he said that un nerved him and he told a few that racecourses will charge whatever they wanted in the future that was in 2001 and he was one of the first on betfair in 2000, he then sold up and did the first on line trading on betfair from the course with another businessman bookie who then cleaned up years before the rest caught on.
That other bookie was b&k.
Report ribero1 February 6, 2011 2:04 PM GMT
and still posts on here to tell us how its done,thanks.
Report joshua tree February 6, 2011 2:12 PM GMT
I was reading this thread last nite - brilliant reading !!

I m not a backer of horses, and I ve only ever been once to a course ( York ) so obviously wouldnt know any of the charecters mentioned.

I an familiar with Pagebet however - as I used to work for the firm that supplied the shops with the tills and tv text service. I found the Reuben Page lot to be somewhat difficult to deal with, I m not suprised they ended up bust as they came across as loudmouths with ideas way above their station...
Report ribero1 February 6, 2011 2:12 PM GMT
i know jimnast,it would be very hard for me to forget as it was my birthday that day.
Report jerclarke February 6, 2011 2:21 PM GMT
R- Johnny Ridley NE England
Report chipfire227 February 6, 2011 3:35 PM GMT
DIGGER it probably is a lifetime since i last played five a side. remarkably i'm still playing 11 a side on saturday mornings, though at approx 11-40 am yesterday, on a playing field in yarm, i did seriously question the wisdom of it.

you still putting yr boots on ?
Report DIGGER1 February 6, 2011 3:44 PM GMT
No probably the last time I played was when you were playing.Paramedics on stand by if I broke into a trot!
Report porfavor February 6, 2011 8:43 PM GMT
Peter Holmes - had a notice on his joint along the lines of " fastest payer in the country " ? Used to work with his wife and seemed very quiet and gentle. Not your usual stereotype bookmaker.
Report Stow_judge February 6, 2011 8:46 PM GMT
Report Laying Larry February 7, 2011 7:24 AM GMT
Dunstall park snooper...Paul Beard had a couple of horses but the one that won a few times was called Zonta, Bob (not Bill) Clay trained it at Gentleshaw although Paddy Connors used to do most of the work :-).In the 77/78 season Jonjo O`Neil was on 149 winners and his agent was booking him on anything to try to get him on 150 winners for the season (poss a record in those days)with only days to go till season end.He rode Zonta somewhere (Fontwell maybey) and fell 2 out, Jonjo stormed back and said he would have won!! Alas Jonjo finished on 149
Report icantbelieveyousaidthat February 7, 2011 8:40 AM GMT
Stow JudgeGrin
Report icantbelieveyousaidthat February 7, 2011 8:41 AM GMT
Sorry, Stow_judgeGrin
Report SkintofGreatYarmouth February 7, 2011 9:28 AM GMT
Copy and Paste, springs to mind Chris !
Report red lorry~ yellow lorry February 7, 2011 9:38 AM GMT
hey fat bald glasses bloke
now the cat's out of the bag everyone will want 2 do it
[;)][;)][;)]
Report ribero1 February 9, 2011 10:40 AM GMT
peter holmes "the fastest payer in europe" no less!
Report tip1uk February 9, 2011 11:34 AM GMT
ribero I knew Alan f and his pals Bert & Tony from elland road and Wakefield, I always remember him being referred to as Jesus due to his atire, he was a very good judge back then. When he got his pitches he became an even better judge on the horses. A lovely man who left us too early.
Report ribero1 February 9, 2011 12:31 PM GMT
hi tip,yes i knew him well,btw i replied to you about elland road dogs a few pages back.
Report Dav_vin03 August 28, 2014 10:57 AM BST
my favourite thread.

any updates?
Report johnnywilkinson August 28, 2014 12:03 PM BST
THERE ALL DEAD DAV
Report johnnywilkinson August 28, 2014 12:04 PM BST
WHERE YA FIND THIS FROM DAV ....LOL
Report johnnywilkinson August 28, 2014 12:05 PM BST
WEVE NOW GOT AJH FROM NORWICH PASSED AWAY COUPLE O WEEKS BACK
Report johnnywilkinson August 28, 2014 12:06 PM BST
PAUL STONE FROM NORWICH NOW RETIRED--NOW A PART TIME HUSTLER
Report johnnywilkinson August 28, 2014 12:36 PM BST
GOING BACK THROO THIS THREAD ...I NOTICED 2 BOOKS THAT HAD CHALK ROUND THE MOUTHS ......GRENVILLE (SMILER)PEARSON ...HERBERT CASSELL..... HERBERT HAD THE MOST ...ONE DAY AT SOUTHWELL WHEN IT WAS IN BETWEEN RACES SOMEBODY PINCHED SMILERS BIT OF CHALK AND REPLACED IT WITH A STICK OF CHALK HALF THE SIZE OF A STICK OF BLACKPOOL ROCK HE GOT BACK ON THE BOX GAVE IT A LICK AND OFF HE WENT
Report RothmanMike August 28, 2014 1:46 PM BST
Used to go to Hackney Wick on saturday mornings before pics were available.
Always remember No.1 pitch EDDIE SELBY, others DOUG TYLER, HARRY HYMAN,GORDON HUTCHINSON.
Think in those days pitches were passed down through families.
Was there the day John power opened the first Betting Shop within a dog track.
Dave Smith & Graham Rock used to do the commentaries for Excel betting shop service.
Fantastic atmosphere, unfortunately SIS made it unnecessary to go to tracks and the rot set in.
The 10% betting tax in the 80s helped to swell attendances - think they should try it again !
Report ribero1 August 28, 2014 4:01 PM BST
Leslie Steele moved house this month age 94!
Report TheNorfolkMafia August 28, 2014 4:02 PM BST
johnnywilkinson • August 28, 2014 12:06 PM BST
PAUL STONE FROM NORWICH NOW RETIRED--NOW A PART TIME HUSTLER


I wish my wife had told me we'd moved!
Report democrat September 30, 2015 9:57 PM BST
Any more recent additions to those previously mentioned ?
Report ribero1 October 1, 2015 9:37 AM BST
Great thread Democrat,i've just spent the last hour on it!
Report jerseyboy October 1, 2015 9:40 AM BST
Anyone remember either George Johnston [ noisy] or Jim Tait, both used to travel to Jersey  races 9 times a year, must of found it worth while, unless unloading their cash into Jersey banks..
Report money talks,bulls**twalks October 1, 2015 9:52 AM BST
STREWTH WHO UG THIS UP 9 YEARS OLD ISTHAT PAUL STONE STILL ALIVE
Report money talks,bulls**twalks October 1, 2015 9:54 AM BST
IS MARTYN OF LEICESTER STILL ABOUT
Report ribero1 October 1, 2015 10:28 AM BST
Jim Tait died about 3 years ago jersey.
Report democrat October 1, 2015 12:33 PM BST
Yes ribero - lots of very interesting anecdotes here. Similar good reads on greyhound forum re: tracks no longer operating, how certain individuals went to the dogs every night etc.
Report democrat October 1, 2015 12:37 PM BST
Yes money 'still alive' but 'still not very lively' !!! Laugh
Report ribero1 October 1, 2015 2:27 PM BST
Been to see Leslie Steele today,looks great at 95.
Report democrat October 1, 2015 6:36 PM BST
A proper bookmaker !
Report TheNorfolkMafia October 1, 2015 7:21 PM BST
ribero1 • October 1, 2015 2:27 PM BST
Been to see Leslie Steele today,looks great at 95.


7/4 would have been better!
Report factmachine October 1, 2015 7:40 PM BST
RIBERO,I HOPE YOU DIDNT TELL MR STEELE YOUVE BOUGHT YORK TATTS NUMBER ONE AND DISPLAY YORKSHIRE PLACE TERMS ON YOUR BOARDCryCryCry YOU WILL SEE THE POOR BLOKE OFF LaughLaughLaugh
Report ribero1 October 1, 2015 8:10 PM BST
Please explain Fact what are Yorkshire e.w terms?
Report the.mad.dog.man October 3, 2015 7:08 PM BST
1/6 first 2
Report democrat January 11, 2018 8:28 PM GMT
Two years since last post. Any updates/interesting additions to this thread ?
Report ronnie rails January 11, 2018 9:03 PM GMT
Democrat

a great thread but as Mary Hopkin would have sang we thought they would never end, unfortunately they didSad
Report democrat January 11, 2018 10:24 PM GMT
Quite agree Ronnie - more a revolution than an evolution Sad So many characters in days of yore that come to mind for so many different reasons.
Report cooperman January 12, 2018 12:43 PM GMT
Whilst at school in the early 60's I worked for a lady who owned a busy pub, looking after a number of rabbits she had. After feeding, cleaning them etc. I would go into the private kitchen where she would be sitting with the Sporting Life. There was always some 'pop' and a sandwich which I enjoyed whilst listening to her telephoning her bets through to Gus Demmy. She was backing in £5's and £10's which seemed a fortune back then and if her husband Frank entered she'd put a finger to her lips and give me a wink. Happy days if she'd found a few winners, I'd get a ten bob note.Happy
Report seaside January 12, 2018 12:57 PM GMT
Worked for a bookie called Hector Roberts as an outside man in the 60s he would call out everyone is looking for Hector Roberts here I am.

It was the time the police men were shot and one of the people who did it was Hector Roberts he was in hiding at the time in a forest.
Report democrat January 12, 2018 1:09 PM GMT
Nice one seaside. I think in fact it was Harry Roberts who went into hiding and yes found in a forest. Epping I believe.
Report TheNorfolkMafia January 12, 2018 2:25 PM GMT
Wikipedia

Following the shootings of 41-year-old Police Constable Geoffrey Fox, Detective Sergeant Christopher Head, aged 30, and 25-year-old Temporary Detective Constable David Wombwell, Roberts hid in Thorley Wood near Bishop's Stortford to avoid capture. He was familiar with the area from visits there as a child. A £1,000 reward was offered for information leading to his arrest. Roberts used his military training to evade capture for ninety-six days, but was finally caught by police while sleeping rough in a barn at Blount's Farm near Bishop's Stortford.
Report democrat January 12, 2018 2:31 PM GMT
Roberts had installed himself in a trackless corner of Thorley Wood, some six miles from Epping Forest. Quite right TNM - good researching.
Report scaredmoney June 27, 2018 7:38 AM BST
Any of you knew George Carrigill from Dewsbury?

Died about 3 years ago , the man wasnt afraid to take a bet!!

Dont think he worked on course but had a few shops.
Report hologon June 27, 2018 8:36 AM BST
Yes he did have about 6 shops in that area , think his son was on pga tour
Report intheknow June 27, 2018 11:29 AM BST
It's only just over a year ago that George Carrigill passed away

https://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/tributes-one-britains-oldest-bookmakers-13166707
Report Wildcat Army. June 27, 2018 1:01 PM BST
Lived in Ossett so did have the old venture to Dewsbury now and then and did meet George within his shops.  Nice chap as well.
Report TheNorfolkMafia June 11, 2019 12:04 PM BST
I thought I would resurrect this thread!
Report GLASGOWCALLING November 22, 2019 6:41 AM GMT
Aye, one of the more interesting threads.Happy
Report TheNorfolkMafia November 22, 2019 10:18 PM GMT
Trevor Peake Bookmaker

Trevor passed away on the 7th November, he was 87 years old and for many years he was a Racecourse Bookmaker trading as Sandy Racing and latterly as Plant Bookmakers in pitches ranging from Chester to Royal Ascot and Cheltenham to Yarmouth, as well as several Point to Point pitches.

Trevor's Funeral will take place at 1.30 pm on the 28th November 2019 at Gilroes Crematorium, Groby Road, Leicester LE3 9QG, to which all friends and colleagues are cordially invited.

We pass on our sincere condolences to his wife Molly and the family.


R.I.P. Trevor
Report bigbillbovington May 4, 2020 4:49 PM BST
remember the hackney books plus power bros, at Romford in main ring on the end tony Williams I think.
Report GLASGOWCALLING December 25, 2022 1:05 AM GMT
Ttt
Report Artesian January 2, 2023 7:47 PM GMT
Patsy Macarthey who  had a small chain of  Betting Shops back in the sixties when they first opened up .Had a shop in High Holborn .and in Soho .and in Salisbury Court off Fleet St  .He was a Big Fight fan  and attended all the Big Fights.Don’t know what became of him  or his Shops . Wonder if his still trading up behind them Pearly Gates .A great Guy.
Report Artesian January 2, 2023 7:47 PM GMT
Patsy Macarthey who  had a small chain of  Betting Shops back in the sixties when they first opened up .Had a shop in High Holborn .and in Soho .and in Salisbury Court off Fleet St  .He was a Big Fight fan  and attended all the Big Fights.Don’t know what became of him  or his Shops . Wonder if his still trading up behind them Pearly Gates .A great Guy.
Report lockup January 2, 2023 11:23 PM GMT
Trevor Peake also a big cricket fan and used to sell cricket gear had a couple of bats off him in the late 80s.
Report Black Sam Bellamy January 4, 2023 11:01 PM GMT
Is Alan Bennett still on course ? And maybe his son with the glasses ? Might have been called Paul.
Report ringlets January 5, 2023 12:41 AM GMT
Black Sam,,,,,,Alan Bennett is still on-course normally has multi-pitches,the lad with the glasses was his rep not his son,Reps name was Neil,He has retired to the Midlands
Report bigbillbovington May 24, 2023 6:58 PM BST
RIP don butler
Report ronnie rails September 26, 2024 6:57 PM BST
Any updates.
Ronnie.
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