Laying all newspaper tipsters

tried it, but BF sp makes it very hard to do.

What about if the odds are under 10? then they will be closer to recorded sp wont they?

Place lay Alan Keyte

what?

be more selective,lay all adrian cook's selections win and place-couldn't tip his hat.

You could paper trade it for a period and see how it goes .Would like to know how it goes.I think in the racing post you will find a figure daily for the most napped by these tipsters,havent checked lately but think it is normally minus 30 pts or so on an annual basis.
If you are into laying you may find ANYONE FANCY A LAY A DAY thread useful,it is organised by
KNIGHT COMMANDER.

but seriously all newspaper tipsters are very bad would it create profit laying them all or are odds too different to recorded sp?

The Guardian (No name specified) -£32,779       -£2,452       
The Telegraph (Malborough) -£38,649       -£10,432       
The Sun (Templegate) -£42,746       -£10,657       
The Times (Rob Wright) -£38,627       -£11,224       
Postdata (Racing Post) () -£42,672       -£13,638       
The Mail (Robin Goodfellow) -£40,883       -£14,378       
The Express (Computerman) -£50,068       -£22,829       
The Star (Tony Lewis) -£52,505       -£23,733       
The Mirror (Newsboy) -£53,056       -£23,965       
The Irish Independent () -£55,767       -£25,317       
Racing Post Ratings () -£55,349       -£30,469       
Spotlight (Racing Post) () -£62,384       -£34,734       
The Irish Times () -£69,040       -£44,230   


This is one years results at **** prices on the right! but they record back prices, so say laying a horse at 30 recorded on here maybe 35 to lay

Whilst it doesn't change the fact they are "very bad" and if it makes you money laying their selections then good luck to you but newspaper tipsters really are on a hiding to nothing really.

There are so many factors that you need to take into account, such as they have to pick a selection in every race (we don't) the paper is printed the night before so they are giving their selections hours before the race starts and for Sunday racing over 24 hours before for some papers and in that time anything could happen. 

They might have narrowed it down to 2 runners and gone for one that ends up a NR and their other choice wins.

Ground changes and jockey changes are a factor too.

I horse might get worked up pre-race but the tipster is already committed with their selections.

my arguement is, is that yes I know they are bad at tipping but I dont think I would get the same results due to the outsiders being laid at a much higher price than they record the back price even when they record **** price. Do you think this would work if I laid tips upto say 10 in odds?

If every single newspaper tipster tipped HAWK WING for the guineas and it was 9/4 -  would you lay it even if you think its an even money shot .
These easy systems are worthless .
Only lay if the price is too short , thats the only way .  END OF

Maybe stay away from big races, especially on a saturday as they probably have put more effort into it.

The point is even if all tipsters tip a horse overall they all lose money longterm if all selections are laid. My question is my results wouldnt be the same as the ones they record even though they are recorded as ****. sp. as the back price they record is lower than the lay price especially on the higher odds horses. But if I was to lay all their selections upto 10 in odds, does anyone think I would make profit?

kirsty -- I can guarantee you 100% NO .   The band of horses you are laying is to random  , put some hard work min and you will reap the benefits

But the results say YES they do lose lots of money. Check this out please and tell me what you think: 

http://www.besttipping.com/****tipcheck/?action=allcompare

got no time -- just got the nod

kirsty85, It looks appealing, but this subject, and many versions/permutations of it has been done to death over the years. None make a profit at BF SP.

Mechanical systems do not work at horse racing. Have a look at the Adrian Massey site, and Flatstats. you could save yourself a lot of grief.

Have you seen this site http://www.besttipping.com the newspaper results are recorded to etdaq(b) prices and still lose alot of money from backing

The purple place, is a "bookies benefit" site, no liquidity either. But what do I know about price/probability/win ratio's and laying a single (or worse 2 or 3)horse in a race. I'll leave you to it, good luck.

Don't forget to factor in comission.

commission. *

kirsty,
why not tweak this a little and lay jockeys instead,cap it at sub 10-1,and see what u get..
they all make a minus trade over a season.
mccoy,johnson,walsh etc

you would probally be better laying all the ones over 10/1

Unless you know exactly what you are doing you will lose by laying.  Following unsuccessful tipsters to lay is not the way to make money either.  Just because they might lose 30-40 pointa over a period, and unless you can lay their selections at the same price as you would have backed them, you will lose in the medium to long term.

I do make money from laying, but it is hard work, and i have had to find out the best way to do it over a number of years.  Just remember you can back on BF at good prices, but you will lay at prices way over the normal odds. Good layers work hard on finding selections, just as good backers do, and just because only one horse in a race can win, does not mean it is easy to find a loser!

Whenever a tipster from a regular daily newspaper or the sporting ones tip a high priced winner or the winner of a big race, then they are the first to highlight this in a look-at-how-clever-our-tipsters-are kind of way but what they fail to point out is that they might have half a dozen tipsters giving selections and it's the scatter-gun approach, fire off enough ammo and you're bound to hit the target eventually.

Going by the Daily Mirror for example they have Newsboy, Bouverie, Newmarket Best, Nothern's Nap, Speedhorse, Topspot, SF, F, EW and Spotform. Now if all or some give a selection in a particular race then there's a good chance one of them will give the winner and I expect if I or you had that many selections in a race then there's a good chance we could find the winner too.

So how about either crossing out every selection in a race that your paper of choice gives and then laying from whichever runners are left or pick yourself as many selections as their tipsters do in each race, eliminate them and then again lay from the remaining runners in the field.

Even if you were to then lay the remaining shortest priced non-tipster selected runner then there's still a very high chance the winner will come from a runner already selected by one of the tipsters anyway, but should the shortest priced non-tipster selected runner win, the fact that it's the shortest priced won't be too damaging and so just take it on the chin and move on to the next race.

Aren't I nice, I've not ever tried to charge for this or start one of those free trial threads based on using my newspapers selections?

kirsty85
This thread is a good example of how useless it is to ask for advice on here.
The only way is to test your idea yourself with real money over a sufficient period of time.

im still non the wiser lol, i think i will test under 10.0 as they are closer odds to the recorded ones.

try the rp football tipsters at the weekend. always have a look at saturdays paper on the sunday morning.if they get 1 out of 8 selections correct theyve had a good week

think saturday is probly the best day to lay newspaper tips the ones that sell like the racingpost sun etc easy $$$

Hang on there Kirsty, you're just about to cut out the only section that is worth laying ! Full stat report from 1st May to date below fyi:

                             -----------------------------                     
                             1 May 2010 to 2 November 2010                     
                             -----------------------------                     

                             W-R  SR%  LLR     100%         SP     

Overall  5.2          3001-21981  14%   28   +£3755     -£34885     
                                                                               
                                                                           
1/20 to 10/11       1    279-481  58%    6     -£34       -£1535       
Evs to 2/1          1   562-1548  36%   15    +£574      -£3413       
85/40 to 3/1        1   538-2063  26%   17   +£1946      -£2473       
10/3 to 4/1         1   412-2156  19%   29    +£111       -£4581     
9/2 to 5/1          1   312-1868  17%   29   +£2210      -£1318       
11/2 to 7/1         1   343-2816  12%   51    +£180      -£4729     
15/2 to 10/1        2   294-3340   9%   52    +£183      -£5435     
11/1 to 16/1        2   167-3387   5%  125   -£1789     -£7037     
18/1 to 33/1        2    76-2817   3%  179    -£136      -£3690     
40/1 to 1000        2    18-1505   1%  203    +£510      -£674     
                                                                               
                                                                         
1                   2   608-4657  13%   46   +£2314      -£6000       
2                   1   309-2130  15%   57   -£1631      -£5695     
3                   1   228-1177  19%   36   +£2040      -£388       
4                   1    207-917  23%   19    +£900      -£1145       
5                   1    127-499  25%   18    +£347       -£849       
6                   1     92-349  26%   12    -£432      -£1306     
7                   1     80-262  31%    9    +£125       -£607       
8                   1     49-145  34%    8    -£162       -£560     
9                   1     52-129  40%    8    +£317        -£32       
10                  1      34-74  46%    7     -£10        -£232       
11                  1      34-61  56%    4    +£270        +£85       
12                  1      16-35  46%    3    -£361      -£476     
13                  1        5-7  71%    2     +£38        +£19   

SP Edge refers to board prices, so ignore unless you are a licensed bookmaker

as many have posted above, there is no mileage in news tips imo hth

Majority of newspaper tipsters will select approx 45% of tissue favs. This is because it is impossible for them to cover all races in detail so they will be governed by the price quoted and often go for the second fav if the fav is at prohibited odds. Therefore by following of selections as quoted you will at times get 1/2 selections in a race max. which over a period of time will lead to a loss due to inflated BF odds you will have to lay and the high % of losing bets. Suggest you stick to 4/5 tipsters who are out of recent form as they like us will achieve results in clumps i.e if they are capable of winning 50% they will not achieve it win / loss/ win /loss etc. Also limiting your selections to under BF odds of 10 will greatly reduce your % of winners.

Thanks for the replies all, ok all I know is that bestipping.com shows 60k loss for a year with all the tipsters and thats at etdaq(b)prices. I know that the prices of say 30 will be recorded lower than the lay side so 30 on the back side might be 35 to lay because of no liquid. But even if I can make half of 60k Ill be more than happy. Please tell me your thoughts. Thanks

P / L	Gross	Net (5% comm)	Gross	Net (5% comm)	Gross	Net (5% comm)
prices =	max 999/1	max 999/1	max 9/1	max 9/1	max 2/1	max 2/1
31-Jan	£1,079	£736	£710	£394	£332	£227
28-Feb	£602	-£69	£696	£86	£52	-£130
31-Mar	£900	-£165	£858	-£79	-£264	-£540
30-Apr	£832	-£660	£1,883	£615	-£433	-£799
31-May	£2,354	£403	£3,317	£1,639	£2	-£483
30-Jun	£1,080	-£1,252	£1,746	-£254	-£1,478	-£2,042
31-Jul	£510	-£2,235	£2,135	-£232	-£1,548	-£2,220
31-Aug	£1,035	-£2,135	£2,099	-£636	-£1,560	-£2,331
30-Sep	£1,267	-£2,321	£2,215	-£863	-£1,289	-£2,165
31-Oct	£475	-£3,566	£3,181	-£276	-£1,475	-£2,440

All cumulative totals to win £10 by laying selection at BSP. 

...and that's just the RP naps table with a BACKING Loss of over £10,000 @ SP (£10 stake).

So if the naps are losing 10k to 10 pound stakes, I really cant see me losing if I lay all the newspaper tips especially when they have to tip every race.

Kirsty - Tightfisted's table should make you think more than twice about risking too much money in your venture. Good luck.

most i would lay all day , i used to monitor most , and only found one worth its salt with regards to my main bets in the place market

todays results were catt 3/6 placed ( 2 won )
                    kemp 4/6 placed  ( 3 won )
                    exet 4/7 placed  (3 won )

I agree hello. If I lay all 12 newspaper tipsters, I really cant see more than 2 making profit for the year even at betfair prices. It cant fail can it?

Spotlight (Racing Post) () -£62,384       -£34,734   

Is the totals to a £50 stake?

that is to 50 pound stakes yes but 10 pound stakes would be around 60k loss with all tipsters used

The other thing to consider when trying to work out any potential profits is how many sections get layed. Are you looking to lay all tipsters selections in every race?

Take just 1 day for example and if you had 12 tipsters, 3 meetings and 6 races per meeting then that's potentially 12 x 3 x 6 = 216 selections and even taking it to the extremes for example purposes, if you were laying all 216 for £10 and they were all successful lays and you think I'll just stick a £ sign at the beginning and a 0 at the end to show £2160 profit that day.

As I said I'm using an extreme example because what you also have to take into consideration is that you are most unlikely to get 216 different selections, with certain runners being tipped by numerous tipsters. If this happens in a good few races then that can make a big difference towards shrinking the 216 total and therefore the potential total profit too and then also factor in that you are certain to have a good few unsuccessful lays, which all have a detrimental effect on that unrealistic £2160 potential maximum winning balance.

... and here is Spot, one of the worst in your list, I don't have complete years result for Irish Times...

2009	selection	Fin	BSP	0%	Gross Profit	less 5% comm	Net P/L	Net P/L
01-Jan-09	Red Tarn	1	2.52	-76.00	-£76	-76.00	-£76	start 1-Jul
cont to					cont			cont
31-Dec-09	Pontiff	1	6.20	-260.00	£18,760	-260.00	£2,235	-£4,039
31-Dec-09	Ghufa	0	2.69	50.00	£18,810	47.50	£2,282	-£3,991
31-Dec-09	Miss Overdrive	0	2.98	50.00	£18,860	47.50	£2,330	-£3,944
31-Dec-09	Best One	0	6.00	50.00	£18,910	47.50	£2,377	-£3,896
31-Dec-09	Carrickmines	0	3.10	50.00	£18,960	47.50	£2,425	-£3,849
31-Dec-09	Pockets Pick	0	3.50	50.00	£19,010	47.50	£2,472	-£3,801
31-Dec-09	Cool Bob	0	16.22	50.00	£19,060	47.50	£2,520	-£3,754
31-Dec-09	Learo Dochais	0	9.61	50.00	£19,110	47.50	£2,567	-£3,706
31-Dec-09	Lucky Sunny	0	4.00	50.00	£19,160	47.50	£2,615	-£3,659

swift-tuttle     02 Nov 10 09:22 
kirsty85
This thread is a good example of how useless it is to ask for advice on here.
The only way is to test your idea yourself with real money over a sufficient period of time.


The worst advice I've seen on here for a long time.

hi kirsty and all.
I can remember a certain username called mindyerbeak on this forum here a good few years ago

http://www.horseracingsystemsuk.com
/forum/login.asp?target
=default.asp

if you join for free you will see how succesful he was using newspaper tipsters.
ive searched through the archives and found the 61 pages for you.

http://www.horseracingsystemsuk.com
/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true
&TOPIC_ID=2786

it was actually 2005
he did really well and he explains exactly what he did.

its a good read,trust me.

no spam involved because its all free.
good luck

I have decided to try this system at 2 pound stakes at max odds of 40. Who thinks I'm wasting my time and who thinks it could work?

Please leave replies,

thanks

What system, laying all the 13 tipster's selections OR laying only napped horses (no duplicates)??
What is your bank??
What % comm.??
Are you going to use a bot?

Using a bot lay all 13 tipsters at 2 pounds 1 minute before the race time. start bank 500 pounds

I think you are wasting you're time

Like this...

time	crse	Tipster		Fin	W/L
1835	Kemp	The Irish Times ()	Dr Darcey	0	£2.00
1835	Kemp	The Times (Rob Wright)	Dr Darcey	0	£2.00
1835	Kemp	Racing Post Ratings ()	Las Verglas Star	0	£2.00
1835	Kemp	The Express (Computerman)	Las Verglas Star	0	£2.00
1835	Kemp	The Sun (Templegate)	Millies Folly	0	£2.00
1835	Kemp	Postdata (Racing Post) ()	Ree's Rascal	1	-£6.40
1835	Kemp	Spotlight (Racing Post) ()	Ree's Rascal	1	-£6.40
1835	Kemp	The Guardian (No name specified)	Ree's Rascal	1	-£6.40
1835	Kemp	The Irish Independent ()	Ree's Rascal	1	-£6.40
1835	Kemp	The Mail (Robin Goodfellow)	Ree's Rascal	1	-£6.40
1835	Kemp	The Mirror (Newsboy)	Ree's Rascal	1	-£6.40
1835	Kemp	The Star (Tony Lewis)	Ree's Rascal	1	-£6.40
1835	Kemp	The Telegraph (Malborough)	Ree's Rascal	1	-£6.40
1835			P/L=		-£41.20

If you last a month without breaking, I'll be the first to congratulate you.

Could you do a chart fot tonights racing tightfisted?

Ok [;)]

Sorry, the dog was going to get my dinner...

time	Crse	Tipster	Selection	BSP	Fin	W/L	Net Profit
1635	Kemp	The Times (Rob Wright)	Denton	6.78	0	2.00
1635	Kemp	Postdata (Racing Post) ()	Ellemujie	4.83	0	2.00
1635	Kemp	Spotlight (Racing Post) ()	Ellemujie	5.00	0	2.00
1635	Kemp	The Mail (Robin Goodfellow)	High Office	5.00	0	2.00
1635	Kemp	The Star (Tony Lewis)	High Office	5.00	0	2.00
1635	Kemp	The Sun (Templegate)	High Office	5.00	0	2.00
1635	Kemp	The Telegraph (Malborough)	High Office	5.00	0	2.00
1635	Kemp	The Irish Times ()	Rosco Flyer	12.31	0	2.00
1635	Kemp	The Mirror (Newsboy)	Rosco Flyer	12.31	0	2.00
1635	Kemp	The Express (Computerman)	Sanctuary	18.83	0	2.00
1635	Kemp	The Guardian (No name specified)	Sequillo	12.96	0	2.00
1635	Kemp	The Irish Independent ()	Sequillo	12.96	0	2.00
1635	Kemp	Racing Post Ratings ()	Stand Guard	0.00	0	0.00
1635	Kemp				p/l =	£24.00	£22.80
1705	Kemp	The Express (Computerman)	Akinoshirabe	3.68	1	-5.36
1705	Kemp	The Irish Independent ()	Akinoshirabe	3.68	1	-5.36
1705	Kemp	The Sun (Templegate)	Akinoshirabe	3.68	1	-5.36
1705	Kemp	Postdata (Racing Post) ()	Elmfield Giant	6.40	0	2.00
1705	Kemp	The Irish Times ()	Elmfield Giant	6.40	0	2.00
1705	Kemp	The Mail (Robin Goodfellow)	Lyric Poet	7.26	0	2.00
1705	Kemp	The Star (Tony Lewis)	Lyric Poet	7.26	0	2.00
1705	Kemp	The Telegraph (Malborough)	Lyric Poet	7.26	0	2.00
1705	Kemp	Racing Post Ratings ()	Sharedah	5.70	0	2.00
1705	Kemp	Spotlight (Racing Post) ()	Sharedah	5.70	0	2.00
1705	Kemp	The Mirror (Newsboy)	Sharedah	5.70	0	2.00
1705	Kemp	The Times (Rob Wright)	Sharedah	5.70	0	2.00
1705	Kemp	The Guardian (No name specified)	Tenessee	12.50	0	2.00
1706	Kemp				p/l =	£3.92	£26.52
1735	Kemp	Postdata (Racing Post) ()	Daffydowndilly	4.30	0	2.00
1735	Kemp	Racing Post Ratings ()	Daffydowndilly	4.30	0	2.00
1735	Kemp	The Guardian (No name specified)	Daffydowndilly	4.30	0	2.00
1735	Kemp	The Irish Times ()	Elvira Delight	18.05	0	2.00
1735	Kemp	The Mirror (Newsboy)	Elvira Delight	18.05	0	2.00
1735	Kemp	Spotlight (Racing Post) ()	Paperetto	4.60	0	2.00
1735	Kemp	The Express (Computerman)	Paperetto	4.60	0	2.00
1735	Kemp	The Sun (Templegate)	Paperetto	4.60	0	2.00
1735	Kemp	The Times (Rob Wright)	Paperetto	4.60	0	2.00
1735	Kemp	The Irish Independent ()	Steps	3.50	0	2.00
1735	Kemp	The Mail (Robin Goodfellow)	Steps	3.50	0	2.00
1735	Kemp	The Star (Tony Lewis)	Steps	3.50	0	2.00
1735	Kemp	The Telegraph (Malborough)	Steps	3.50	0	2.00
1736	Kemp				p/l =	£26.00	£51.22
1805	Kemp	The Irish Independent ()	Afaara	18.25	0	2.00
1805	Kemp	Racing Post Ratings ()	Educated Son	8.83	0	2.00
1805	Kemp	The Mail (Robin Goodfellow)	Educated Son	8.83	0	2.00
1805	Kemp	The Star (Tony Lewis)	Educated Son	8.83	0	2.00
1805	Kemp	The Express (Computerman)	Focail Maith	7.60	0	2.00
1805	Kemp	The Guardian (No name specified)	Focail Maith	7.60	0	2.00
1805	Kemp	The Sun (Templegate)	My Little Star	14.00	0	2.00
1805	Kemp	The Telegraph (Malborough)	My Little Star	14.00	0	2.00
1805	Kemp	Postdata (Racing Post) ()	Orange Ketchup	29.15	0	2.00
1805	Kemp	The Irish Times ()	Orange Ketchup	29.15	0	2.00
1805	Kemp	The Mirror (Newsboy)	Orange Ketchup	29.15	0	2.00
1805	Kemp	Spotlight (Racing Post) ()	Skeleton	9.54	1	-17.08
1805	Kemp	The Times (Rob Wright)	Skeleton	9.54	1	-17.08
					p/l =	-£12.16	£39.06
1805	Kemp
1835	Kemp	The Irish Times ()	Dr Darcey	5.90	0	2.00
1835	Kemp	The Times (Rob Wright)	Dr Darcey	9.75	0	2.00
1835	Kemp	Racing Post Ratings ()	Las Verglas Star	9.75	0	2.00
1835	Kemp	The Express (Computerman)	Las Verglas Star	9.75	0	2.00
1835	Kemp	The Sun (Templegate)	Millies Folly	13.10	0	2.00
1835	Kemp	Postdata (Racing Post) ()	Ree's Rascal	4.20	1	-6.40
1835	Kemp	Spotlight (Racing Post) ()	Ree's Rascal	4.20	1	-6.40
1835	Kemp	The Guardian (No name specified)	Ree's Rascal	4.20	1	-6.40
1835	Kemp	The Irish Independent ()	Ree's Rascal	4.20	1	-6.40
1835	Kemp	The Mail (Robin Goodfellow)	Ree's Rascal	4.20	1	-6.40
1835	Kemp	The Mirror (Newsboy)	Ree's Rascal	4.20	1	-6.40
1835	Kemp	The Star (Tony Lewis)	Ree's Rascal	4.20	1	-6.40
1835	Kemp	The Telegraph (Malborough)	Ree's Rascal	4.20	1	-6.40
1835	Kemp				p/l =	-£41.20	-£2.14
1905	Kemp	Postdata (Racing Post) ()	Dansant	9.20	0	2.00
1905	Kemp	The Irish Independent ()	Dansant	9.20	0	2.00
1905	Kemp	The Irish Times ()	Man Of Iron	15.00	0	2.00
1905	Kemp	Racing Post Ratings ()	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44
1905	Kemp	Spotlight (Racing Post) ()	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44
1905	Kemp	The Express (Computerman)	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44
1905	Kemp	The Guardian (No name specified)	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44
1905	Kemp	The Mail (Robin Goodfellow)	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44
1905	Kemp	The Mirror (Newsboy)	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44
1905	Kemp	The Star (Tony Lewis)	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44
1905	Kemp	The Sun (Templegate)	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44
1905	Kemp	The Telegraph (Malborough)	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44
1905	Kemp	The Times (Rob Wright)	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44
	Kemp				p/l =	£10.40	£7.74
	Kemp
1935	Kemp	The Irish Times ()	Abriachan	13.00	0	2.00
1935	Kemp	Spotlight (Racing Post) ()	Cheddar George	3.15	0	2.00
1935	Kemp	The Mail (Robin Goodfellow)	Cheddar George	3.15	0	2.00
1935	Kemp	The Mirror (Newsboy)	Cheddar George	3.15	0	2.00
1935	Kemp	The Sun (Templegate)	Cheddar George	3.15	0	2.00
1935	Kemp	The Telegraph (Malborough)	Cheddar George	3.15	0	2.00
1935	Kemp	The Times (Rob Wright)	Cheddar George	3.15	0	2.00
1935	Kemp	The Irish Independent ()	Final Drive	9.59	0	2.00
1935	Kemp	The Star (Tony Lewis)	Harting Hill	0.00	0	0.00
1935	Kemp	Racing Post Ratings ()	Ice Cool Lady	14.23	1	-26.46
1935	Kemp	The Guardian (No name specified)	Ice Cool Lady	14.23	1	-26.46
1935	Kemp	The Express (Computerman)	Saturn Way	9.40	0	2.00
1935	Kemp	Postdata (Racing Post) ()	Sovereignty	13.00	0	2.00
	Kemp				p/l	-£32.92	-£25.18
	Kemp
2005	Kemp	Racing Post Ratings ()	Bold Ring	6.80	0	2.00
2005	Kemp	Spotlight (Racing Post) ()	Bold Ring	6.80	0	2.00
2005	Kemp	The Guardian (No name specified)	Bold Ring	6.80	0	2.00
2005	Kemp	The Irish Independent ()	Bold Ring	6.80	0	2.00
2005	Kemp	The Mail (Robin Goodfellow)	Bold Ring	6.80	0	2.00
2005	Kemp	The Mirror (Newsboy)	Bold Ring	6.80	0	2.00
2005	Kemp	The Star (Tony Lewis)	Bold Ring	6.80	0	2.00
2005	Kemp	The Telegraph (Malborough)	Bold Ring	6.80	0	2.00
2005	Kemp	The Express (Computerman)	Namu	12.50	0	2.00
2005	Kemp	Postdata (Racing Post) ()	Only A Game	7.95	0	2.00
2005	Kemp	The Irish Times ()	Royal Island	25.90	0	2.00
2005	Kemp	The Times (Rob Wright)	Taurakina	3.39	1	-4.78
2005	Kemp	The Sun (Templegate)	Zafeen's Pearl	0.00	0	0.00
					p/l =	£17.22	-£8.82

GL tomorrow, and if you need help, put your email up.

Shirley you would not lay duplicate selections more than once, that could be the way forward...

on second thoughts that could be a bad idea as well...

GL

time	Crse	Tipster	Selection	BSP	Fin	W/L	Net Profit	W/L	No Dupl Net Profit
1635	Kemp	The Times (Rob Wright)	Denton	6.78	0	2.00	Denton	2.00
1635	Kemp	Postdata (Racing Post) ()	Ellemujie	4.83	0	2.00	Ellemujie	2.00
1635	Kemp	Spotlight (Racing Post) ()	Ellemujie	5.00	0	2.00		0.00
1635	Kemp	The Mail (Robin Goodfellow)	High Office	5.00	0	2.00	High Office	2.00
1635	Kemp	The Star (Tony Lewis)	High Office	5.00	0	2.00		0.00
1635	Kemp	The Sun (Templegate)	High Office	5.00	0	2.00		0.00
1635	Kemp	The Telegraph (Malborough)	High Office	5.00	0	2.00		0.00
1635	Kemp	The Irish Times ()	Rosco Flyer	12.31	0	2.00	Rosco Flyer	2.00
1635	Kemp	The Mirror (Newsboy)	Rosco Flyer	12.31	0	2.00		0.00
1635	Kemp	The Express (Computerman)	Sanctuary	18.83	0	2.00	Sanctuary	2.00
1635	Kemp	The Guardian (No name specified)	Sequillo	12.96	0	2.00	Sequillo	2.00
1635	Kemp	The Irish Independent ()	Sequillo	12.96	0	2.00		0.00
1635	Kemp	Racing Post Ratings ()	Stand Guard	0.00	0	0.00	Stand Guard	0.00
1635	Kemp				p/l =	£24.00	£22.80	£12.00	£11.40
1705	Kemp	The Express (Computerman)	Akinoshirabe	3.68	1	-5.36	Akinoshirabe	-5.36
1705	Kemp	The Irish Independent ()	Akinoshirabe	3.68	1	-5.36		0.00
1705	Kemp	The Sun (Templegate)	Akinoshirabe	3.68	1	-5.36		0.00
1705	Kemp	Postdata (Racing Post) ()	Elmfield Giant	6.40	0	2.00	Elmfield Giant	2.00
1705	Kemp	The Irish Times ()	Elmfield Giant	6.40	0	2.00		0.00
1705	Kemp	The Mail (Robin Goodfellow)	Lyric Poet	7.26	0	2.00	Lyric Poet	2.00
1705	Kemp	The Star (Tony Lewis)	Lyric Poet	7.26	0	2.00		0.00
1705	Kemp	The Telegraph (Malborough)	Lyric Poet	7.26	0	2.00		0.00
1705	Kemp	Racing Post Ratings ()	Sharedah	5.70	0	2.00	Sharedah	2.00
1705	Kemp	Spotlight (Racing Post) ()	Sharedah	5.70	0	2.00		0.00
1705	Kemp	The Mirror (Newsboy)	Sharedah	5.70	0	2.00		0.00
1705	Kemp	The Times (Rob Wright)	Sharedah	5.70	0	2.00		0.00
1705	Kemp	The Guardian (No name specified)	Tenessee	12.50	0	2.00	Tenessee	2.00
1706	Kemp				p/l =	£3.92	£26.52	£2.64	£13.91
1735	Kemp	Postdata (Racing Post) ()	Daffydowndilly	4.30	0	2.00	Daffydowndilly	2.00
1735	Kemp	Racing Post Ratings ()	Daffydowndilly	4.30	0	2.00		0.00
1735	Kemp	The Guardian (No name specified)	Daffydowndilly	4.30	0	2.00		0.00
1735	Kemp	The Irish Times ()	Elvira Delight	18.05	0	2.00	Elvira Delight	2.00
1735	Kemp	The Mirror (Newsboy)	Elvira Delight	18.05	0	2.00		0.00
1735	Kemp	Spotlight (Racing Post) ()	Paperetto	4.60	0	2.00	Paperetto	2.00
1735	Kemp	The Express (Computerman)	Paperetto	4.60	0	2.00		0.00
1735	Kemp	The Sun (Templegate)	Paperetto	4.60	0	2.00		0.00
1735	Kemp	The Times (Rob Wright)	Paperetto	4.60	0	2.00		0.00
1735	Kemp	The Irish Independent ()	Steps	3.50	0	2.00	Steps	2.00
1735	Kemp	The Mail (Robin Goodfellow)	Steps	3.50	0	2.00		0.00
1735	Kemp	The Star (Tony Lewis)	Steps	3.50	0	2.00		0.00
1735	Kemp	The Telegraph (Malborough)	Steps	3.50	0	2.00		0.00
1736	Kemp				p/l =	£26.00	£51.22	£8.00	£21.51
1805	Kemp	The Irish Independent ()	Afaara	18.25	0	2.00	Afaara	2.00
1805	Kemp	Racing Post Ratings ()	Educated Son	8.83	0	2.00	Educated Son	2.00
1805	Kemp	The Mail (Robin Goodfellow)	Educated Son	8.83	0	2.00		0.00
1805	Kemp	The Star (Tony Lewis)	Educated Son	8.83	0	2.00		0.00
1805	Kemp	The Express (Computerman)	Focail Maith	7.60	0	2.00	Focail Maith	2.00
1805	Kemp	The Guardian (No name specified)	Focail Maith	7.60	0	2.00		0.00
1805	Kemp	The Sun (Templegate)	My Little Star	14.00	0	2.00	My Little Star	2.00
1805	Kemp	The Telegraph (Malborough)	My Little Star	14.00	0	2.00		0.00
1805	Kemp	Postdata (Racing Post) ()	Orange Ketchup	29.15	0	2.00	Orange Ketchup	2.00
1805	Kemp	The Irish Times ()	Orange Ketchup	29.15	0	2.00		0.00
1805	Kemp	The Mirror (Newsboy)	Orange Ketchup	29.15	0	2.00		0.00
1805	Kemp	Spotlight (Racing Post) ()	Skeleton	9.54	1	-17.08	Skeleton	-17.08
1805	Kemp	The Times (Rob Wright)	Skeleton	9.54	1	-17.08		0.00
					p/l =	-£12.16	£39.06	-£7.08	£14.43
1805	Kemp
1835	Kemp	The Irish Times ()	Dr Darcey	5.90	0	2.00	Dr Darcey	2.00
1835	Kemp	The Times (Rob Wright)	Dr Darcey	9.75	0	2.00		0.00
1835	Kemp	Racing Post Ratings ()	Las Verglas Star	9.75	0	2.00	Las Verglas Star	2.00
1835	Kemp	The Express (Computerman)	Las Verglas Star	9.75	0	2.00		0.00
1835	Kemp	The Sun (Templegate)	Millies Folly	13.10	0	2.00	Millies Folly	2.00
1835	Kemp	Postdata (Racing Post) ()	Ree's Rascal	4.20	1	-6.40	Ree's Rascal	-6.40
1835	Kemp	Spotlight (Racing Post) ()	Ree's Rascal	4.20	1	-6.40		0.00
1835	Kemp	The Guardian (No name specified)	Ree's Rascal	4.20	1	-6.40		0.00
1835	Kemp	The Irish Independent ()	Ree's Rascal	4.20	1	-6.40		0.00
1835	Kemp	The Mail (Robin Goodfellow)	Ree's Rascal	4.20	1	-6.40		0.00
1835	Kemp	The Mirror (Newsboy)	Ree's Rascal	4.20	1	-6.40		0.00
1835	Kemp	The Star (Tony Lewis)	Ree's Rascal	4.20	1	-6.40		0.00
1835	Kemp	The Telegraph (Malborough)	Ree's Rascal	4.20	1	-6.40		0.00
1835	Kemp				p/l =	-£41.20	-£2.14	-£0.40	£14.03
1905	Kemp	Postdata (Racing Post) ()	Dansant	9.20	0	2.00	Dansant	2.00
1905	Kemp	The Irish Independent ()	Dansant	9.20	0	2.00		0.00
1905	Kemp	The Irish Times ()	Man Of Iron	15.00	0	2.00	Man Of Iron	2.00
1905	Kemp	Racing Post Ratings ()	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44	Mastery	0.44
1905	Kemp	Spotlight (Racing Post) ()	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44		0.00
1905	Kemp	The Express (Computerman)	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44		0.00
1905	Kemp	The Guardian (No name specified)	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44		0.00
1905	Kemp	The Mail (Robin Goodfellow)	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44		0.00
1905	Kemp	The Mirror (Newsboy)	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44		0.00
1905	Kemp	The Star (Tony Lewis)	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44		0.00
1905	Kemp	The Sun (Templegate)	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44		0.00
1905	Kemp	The Telegraph (Malborough)	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44		0.00
1905	Kemp	The Times (Rob Wright)	Mastery	1.56	2	0.44		0.00
	Kemp				p/l =	£10.40	£7.74	£4.44	£18.25
1935	Kemp	The Irish Times ()	Abriachan	13.00	0	2.00	Abriachan	2.00
1935	Kemp	Spotlight (Racing Post) ()	Cheddar George	3.15	0	2.00	Cheddar George	2.00
1935	Kemp	The Mail (Robin Goodfellow)	Cheddar George	3.15	0	2.00		0.00
1935	Kemp	The Mirror (Newsboy)	Cheddar George	3.15	0	2.00		0.00
1935	Kemp	The Sun (Templegate)	Cheddar George	3.15	0	2.00		0.00
1935	Kemp	The Telegraph (Malborough)	Cheddar George	3.15	0	2.00		0.00
1935	Kemp	The Times (Rob Wright)	Cheddar George	3.15	0	2.00		0.00
1935	Kemp	The Irish Independent ()	Final Drive	9.59	0	2.00	Final Drive	2.00
1935	Kemp	The Star (Tony Lewis)	Harting Hill	0.00	0	0.00	Harting Hill	0.00
1935	Kemp	Racing Post Ratings ()	Ice Cool Lady	14.23	1	-26.46	Ice Cool Lady	-26.46
1935	Kemp	The Guardian (No name specified)	Ice Cool Lady	14.23	1	-26.46		0.00
1935	Kemp	The Express (Computerman)	Saturn Way	9.40	0	2.00	Saturn Way	2.00
1935	Kemp	Postdata (Racing Post) ()	Sovereignty	13.00	0	2.00	Sovereignty	2.00
	Kemp				p/l	-£32.92	-£25.18	-£16.46	£1.79
2005	Kemp	Racing Post Ratings ()	Bold Ring	6.80	0	2.00	Bold Ring	2.00
2005	Kemp	Spotlight (Racing Post) ()	Bold Ring	6.80	0	2.00		0.00
2005	Kemp	The Guardian (No name specified)	Bold Ring	6.80	0	2.00		0.00
2005	Kemp	The Irish Independent ()	Bold Ring	6.80	0	2.00		0.00
2005	Kemp	The Mail (Robin Goodfellow)	Bold Ring	6.80	0	2.00		0.00
2005	Kemp	The Mirror (Newsboy)	Bold Ring	6.80	0	2.00		0.00
2005	Kemp	The Star (Tony Lewis)	Bold Ring	6.80	0	2.00		0.00
2005	Kemp	The Telegraph (Malborough)	Bold Ring	6.80	0	2.00		0.00
2005	Kemp	The Express (Computerman)	Namu	12.50	0	2.00	Namu	2.00
2005	Kemp	Postdata (Racing Post) ()	Only A Game	7.95	0	2.00	Ice Cool Lady	2.00
2005	Kemp	The Irish Times ()	Royal Island	25.90	0	2.00	Royal Island	2.00
2005	Kemp	The Times (Rob Wright)	Taurakina	3.39	1	-4.78	Taurakina	-4.78
2005	Kemp	The Sun (Templegate)	Zafeen's Pearl	0.00	0	0.00	Zafeen's Pearl	0.00
					p/l =	£17.22	-£8.82	£3.22	£4.84
time	Crse	Tipster	Selection	BSP	Fin	W/L	Net Profit	W/L	No Dupl Net Profit

Keep this going TF it's very interesting.  A while ago i used to lay the nap  with the most clear votes. It did very well for the time i did it and i can't remember why i didn't continue.
Yesterday it was Masterful K7.05. Dead heat! Maybe worth another look.

Good luck with this

with any system I think that you have to ask yourself some questions -

does it make sense (according to the system criteria) that it
could possibly show a profit?

how would you explain the edge?

am I prepared for a long losing run?


To me, this system can't provide satisfactory answers to questions like the above. Especially when you consider that laying systems have to perform 'above average' because of the fact that you cannot lay at SP and the commission.

Hi tight, thankyou so much for the results. Would it take up too much of your time to do this all week?

Too much time at the moment, I'm 2 mnths behind on updating my bfsp results. But I did this last night...

time   

Crse

W/L

Net Profit

No Dup W/L

No Dup Net Profit

1215    ||    Nott    ||    £26.00    ||    £24.70    ||    £10.00    ||    £9.50    ||
1245    ||    Nott    ||    -£13.60    ||    £11.10    ||    -£3.20    ||    £6.30    ||
1255    ||    Warw    ||    £24.00    ||    £33.90    ||    £8.00    ||    £13.90    ||
1305    ||    Chep    ||    £3.84    ||    £37.55    ||    £0.00    ||    £13.90    ||
1315    ||    Nott    ||    £24.00    ||    £60.35    ||    £12.00    ||    £25.30    ||
1325    ||    Warw    ||    -£9.68    ||    £50.67    ||    £0.48    ||    £25.76    ||
1335    ||    Chep    ||    -£38.20    ||    £12.47    ||    -£0.60    ||    £25.16    ||
1345    ||    Nott    ||    £2.00    ||    £14.37    ||    -£14.00    ||    £11.16    ||
1400    ||    Warw    ||    -£13.60    ||    £0.77    ||    £0.80    ||    £11.92    ||
1410    ||    Chep    ||    £13.80    ||    £13.88    ||    -£4.20    ||    £7.72    ||
1420    ||    Nott    ||    £26.00    ||    £38.58    ||    £4.00    ||    £11.52    ||
1435    ||    Warw    ||    -£0.82    ||    £37.76    ||    -£20.82    ||    -£9.30    ||
1445    ||    Chep    ||    -£47.56    ||    -£9.80    ||    -£12.52    ||    -£21.82    ||
1455    ||    Nott    ||    -£16.00    ||    -£25.80    ||    -£7.00    ||    -£28.82    ||
1510    ||    Warw    ||    £4.10    ||    -£21.91    ||    -£1.30    ||    -£30.12    ||
1520    ||    Chep    ||    £24.00    ||    £0.89    ||    £12.00    ||    -£18.72    ||
1530    ||    Nott    ||    -£16.20    ||    -£15.31    ||    -£5.10    ||    -£23.82    ||
1540    ||    Warw    ||    -£15.52    ||    -£30.83    ||    -£2.38    ||    -£26.20    ||
1555    ||    Chep    ||    £20.00    ||    -£11.83    ||    £8.00    ||    -£18.60    ||
1605    ||    Nott    ||    £24.00    ||    £10.97    ||    £10.00    ||    -£9.10    ||
1616    ||    Warw    ||    £24.00    ||    £33.77    ||    £6.00    ||    -£3.40    ||
1625    ||    Chep    ||    £24.00    ||    £56.57    ||    £12.00    ||    £8.00    ||
1635    ||    Kemp    ||    £24.00    ||    £79.37    ||    £12.00    ||    £19.40    ||
1705    ||    Kemp    ||    £3.92    ||    £83.10    ||    £2.64    ||    £21.90    ||
1735    ||    Kemp    ||    £26.00    ||    £107.80    ||    £8.00    ||    £29.50    ||
1805    ||    Kemp    ||    -£12.16    ||    £95.64    ||    -£7.08    ||    £22.42    ||
1835    ||    Kemp    ||    -£41.20    ||    £54.44    ||    -£0.40    ||    £22.02    ||
1905    ||    Kemp    ||    £10.40    ||    £64.32    ||    £4.44    ||    £26.24    ||
1935    ||    Kemp    ||    -£32.92    ||    £31.40    ||    -£16.46    ||    £9.78    ||
2005    ||    Kemp    ||    £17.22    ||    £47.76    ||    £3.22    ||    £12.84    ||

K, you're not a Excel user??

I have the shakes

time	Crse	W/L	Net Profit	No Dup W/L	No Dup Net Profit
1215	Nott	£26.00	£24.70	£10.00	£9.50
1245	Nott	-£13.60	£11.10	-£3.20	£6.30
1255	Warw	£24.00	£33.90	£8.00	£13.90
1305	Chep	£3.84	£37.55	£0.00	£13.90
1315	Nott	£24.00	£60.35	£12.00	£25.30
1325	Warw	-£9.68	£50.67	£0.48	£25.76
1335	Chep	-£38.20	£12.47	-£0.60	£25.16
1345	Nott	£2.00	£14.37	-£14.00	£11.16
1400	Warw	-£13.60	£0.77	£0.80	£11.92
1410	Chep	£13.80	£13.88	-£4.20	£7.72
1420	Nott	£26.00	£38.58	£4.00	£11.52
1435	Warw	-£0.82	£37.76	-£20.82	-£9.30
1445	Chep	-£47.56	-£9.80	-£12.52	-£21.82
1455	Nott	-£16.00	-£25.80	-£7.00	-£28.82
1510	Warw	£4.10	-£21.91	-£1.30	-£30.12
1520	Chep	£24.00	£0.89	£12.00	-£18.72
1530	Nott	-£16.20	-£15.31	-£5.10	-£23.82
1540	Warw	-£15.52	-£30.83	-£2.38	-£26.20
1555	Chep	£20.00	-£11.83	£8.00	-£18.60
1605	Nott	£24.00	£10.97	£10.00	-£9.10
1616	Warw	£24.00	£33.77	£6.00	-£3.40
1625	Chep	£24.00	£56.57	£12.00	£8.00
1635	Kemp	£24.00	£79.37	£12.00	£19.40
1705	Kemp	£3.92	£83.10	£2.64	£21.90
1735	Kemp	£26.00	£107.80	£8.00	£29.50
1805	Kemp	-£12.16	£95.64	-£7.08	£22.42
1835	Kemp	-£41.20	£54.44	-£0.40	£22.02
1905	Kemp	£10.40	£64.32	£4.44	£26.24
1935	Kemp	-£32.92	£31.40	-£16.46	£9.78
2005	Kemp	£17.22	£47.76	£3.22	£12.84

The simple answer to your question ("would this create a profit")is -IT DEPENDS WHAT PRICE YOU WERE ABLE TO LAY THEM AT.

kirsty85,if you lay them one minute before the off you will always be laying above the sp,you need to look for ways to try to lay below the sp

a point to consider. with the flat season finishing on saturday . it is quite possible that the price of the horses that newspaper tipsters are napping reflects the winning odds that their selection must win at to propel them up to the top of the naps table, rather than reflecting what they consider the best bet of the day. if it,s not exactley what your on about ,it might make somebody who follows newspaper tipsters blindly to pause for thought, especialy at this time of the season

I tried laying off the naps table for a while and didn't make anything. Problem is you can't know for sure what the final SPs will be and there will ALWAYS be unmatched lays