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if so how come people never win big iyo
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Don't think anyone is disputing the fact that you cannot win in the long run.
The question is , are they really random ?
Like mginvest says if you bet at the same time as someone else you get the same number comming up.Once i played 2 machines at the same time putting on the same bet.Using both hands i pressed the bet button simultaneouly and got the same number.I repeated it 10 times and each time the winning number was the same.The only difference was the graphics on the screen , the animation was different also the direction of the spin and also the moment the ball drops is different.
Therefore they are not truely random.The numbers are predetermined , the animation just gives the illusion of randomness.
However for the punter it makes little difference whether they know this fact or not.The fact remains that you still need to pick the winning number.
The question is , are they really random ?
Like mginvest says if you bet at the same time as someone else you get the same number comming up.Once i played 2 machines at the same time putting on the same bet.Using both hands i pressed the bet button simultaneouly and got the same number.I repeated it 10 times and each time the winning number was the same.The only difference was the graphics on the screen , the animation was different also the direction of the spin and also the moment the ball drops is different.
Therefore they are not truely random.The numbers are predetermined , the animation just gives the illusion of randomness.
However for the punter it makes little difference whether they know this fact or not.The fact remains that you still need to pick the winning number.
you can get the percentage if you press the info button.
Therefore they are not truely random.The numbers are predetermined , the animation just gives the illusion of randomness.
That is not true. The animation is an irrelevance. Your test merely showed that the 2 machines you were playing on were using the same RNG.
It doesn`t matter if there is 1 animation per number or 101. It is merely an animated way of showing the same result.
you can get the percentage if you press the info button.
Some of the percentages shown are min averages per machine which are pretty meaningless when you consider it covers both random and compensated games.
That is not true. The animation is an irrelevance. Your test merely showed that the 2 machines you were playing on were using the same RNG.
It doesn`t matter if there is 1 animation per number or 101. It is merely an animated way of showing the same result.
you can get the percentage if you press the info button.
Some of the percentages shown are min averages per machine which are pretty meaningless when you consider it covers both random and compensated games.
some folks on here think that fobt,s are like the fruit machine and just cant get it . mate of mine has a shop with big turnover on his fobs . some days he loses , not often but over a long period the % does arrive around the 97..98 % mark .
ianhamilton I assume you are on a wind up. If not then I suggest you have a look at the data held by Global Draw, get a calculator and then come back and tell me that it is 78%.
If what you say is true (which I know 100% it isn`t) then your firm is fraudulent and you should go to the police.
If what you say is true (which I know 100% it isn`t) then your firm is fraudulent and you should go to the police.
they wait to see someone lose on a machine and then think it will pay out , just cant get the old fruit machine mentality out of their heads
Erhaab - As you say the graphics and animation are purely for show. Would the herd still play if they just got a coloured number flash up on screen?
The funniest thing you hear from players (even an ex bookie) is "anyone won on them today before i play?" or "they must be due a payout?". The odds are against you. You cannot win on them other than through a stroke of good luck.
Ianhamilton - You claim to be from global draw stating they pay out at 78% and then confirm what i said which is that they are random. Which is it? And why is it Itbox different?
The funniest thing you hear from players (even an ex bookie) is "anyone won on them today before i play?" or "they must be due a payout?". The odds are against you. You cannot win on them other than through a stroke of good luck.
Ianhamilton - You claim to be from global draw stating they pay out at 78% and then confirm what i said which is that they are random. Which is it? And why is it Itbox different?
itbox computer generated, global draw sat generated
Banks, since you clearly are generally knowledgeable about bookmaking matters, could I ask you how it is possible to find out the formula used for BAGS forecasts? I know it is not an FOBT question, but dog races do have similarities with a roulette wheel. 
Ditto
Nothing I have said on this thread is factually incorrect. Unfortunately you cannot make the same declaration.
78% [smiley:crazy]
Nothing I have said on this thread is factually incorrect. Unfortunately you cannot make the same declaration.
78% [smiley:crazy]
Has there ever been a serious discussion on a factual matter on this site that has not degenerated into personal abuse within a short time?
how come you never see anybody win big though
surely we would have heard a story that somebody won 10k or 20k but i aint heard anybody say they had big win ever
surely we would have heard a story that somebody won 10k or 20k but i aint heard anybody say they had big win ever
Banks, since you clearly are generally knowledgeable about bookmaking matters, could I ask you how it is possible to find out the formula used for BAGS forecasts? I know it is not an FOBT question, but dog races do have similarities with a roulette wheel.
I`m not sure this is readily available. In the old days there used to be the straightforward NSL chart but now the BAGS f/casts are calculated using a fairly complex programme that takes into account the overall shape of the market. In addition to this there are further inbuilt factors which create lower dividends for 1-6 compared with 4-3 for example (assuming the same SPs for all runners.
Might be worth emailing BAGS and asking but I`m not sure whether they would release the programme.
I`m not sure this is readily available. In the old days there used to be the straightforward NSL chart but now the BAGS f/casts are calculated using a fairly complex programme that takes into account the overall shape of the market. In addition to this there are further inbuilt factors which create lower dividends for 1-6 compared with 4-3 for example (assuming the same SPs for all runners.
Might be worth emailing BAGS and asking but I`m not sure whether they would release the programme.
BANKS see this formula sevaral years ago , dont know anyone who understood it
yep they are random, shop can lose big time in one day, but gonna win the % in long run.
Banks, I tried ABB, Association of British Bookmakers, but they refused eventually to send a copy, so it is clearly restricted. On the subject of machines, I'm wondering if some of these stories about people winning arise from a confusion with general knowledge quiz machines that were once popular in some pubs. Apparently there were some users who invested a fortune in finding out all the correct answers, by genuine knowledge and hit and miss, and then going round to pubs where they knew there would be plenty inside the machines and using them as a sort of cash point. Because the quizzes were not changed very regularly a bit of a living could be made.
They are completely random for all the reasons stated above. People who claim they are not are just the same type of punters who scream at the jockeys for not trying on the favourite in the Gold Cup or Derby. Some people lose and can't help but to look for some underhand reason why they've done their dough.
The bookies used to hand out cards and promotional material to the staff in bookies showing percentages for each game on the machines. The Roulette was very low margin due to the odds and games such as the old virtual dogs and horse racing used to be higher margin due to a larger overround on the odds. They would then ask the staff to try and encourage the punters to move away from roulette onto higher margin games, why would they bother with this if they could just alter the margin by changing the programme?
There is no reason for the bookies to fix the machines they guarantee them a small percentage return on a massive turnover, why would they jeopardise this guaranteed profit by fiddling the figures? Their turnover and profit for the machines will stand up to the closest scrutiny because they have everything to lose and very little to gain by cheating the people who use them.
The bookies used to hand out cards and promotional material to the staff in bookies showing percentages for each game on the machines. The Roulette was very low margin due to the odds and games such as the old virtual dogs and horse racing used to be higher margin due to a larger overround on the odds. They would then ask the staff to try and encourage the punters to move away from roulette onto higher margin games, why would they bother with this if they could just alter the margin by changing the programme?
There is no reason for the bookies to fix the machines they guarantee them a small percentage return on a massive turnover, why would they jeopardise this guaranteed profit by fiddling the figures? Their turnover and profit for the machines will stand up to the closest scrutiny because they have everything to lose and very little to gain by cheating the people who use them.
but you all say that a random number generator selects a number so if it selects a number how can it be random 
as it can select a bad number imo
as it can select a bad number imo
a number that the person who is playing is not on
If you mean a number that is a loser for the machine then of course it can and regularly does, otherwise it would never ever pay out.
The random number generator is seperate from the actual terminal and doesn't 'know' where the chips are so doesn't know which numbers are winners and which are losers.
The random number generator is seperate from the actual terminal and doesn't 'know' where the chips are so doesn't know which numbers are winners and which are losers.
No the people who develop and run the machines.
As I said it guarantees the bookies profit while being 100% straight. Why would they need to fix them when they already can't lose?
As I said it guarantees the bookies profit while being 100% straight. Why would they need to fix them when they already can't lose?
I had a play today on a FOBT in orals, I lost £300 in the blink of an eye, I then lost another £200 very quickly and then 3 spins later I printed out a £617 ticket, tipped the cashier a tenner and toddled off home. Don't think i'l bother with them again to be honest. A nice buzz when it actually landed on my number though 
I can see how people might get carried away.
I can see how people might get carried away.
Random numbers can be generated in various ways. Many calculators will generate random numbers at the press of a button. There is nothing sinister about it at all. Imagine you were holding a stopwatch that could time to 1/100 second and you held it face down and let it run for a brief interval. When you stopped it there would be two digits showing for the 1/100s of a second, but as far as you were concerned they would be random because there would be no way you could tell what they were. They could be anything from .00 to .99 but quite unpredictable.
Peckham Flasher - you do get relativley big wins, where would you expect to hear about them?
Do you know anybody that's won the Euromillions? Maybe that's fixed too :)
maybe they are random but if i was 2 play roulette i would go casino anyway
its still a no for me though
its still a no for me though
dont get me started on them vegas game thingys 
they are not random, random is live, its a computer programmed to give back a percentage of the take
Know all - Why would they need to be programmed when the odds look after the percentage take naturally?
ianhamilton. Joined: 01 Aug 03
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FOT's are set at 78%. same as any fruity HTH
ianhamilton. Joined: 01 Aug 03
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Because i am in global draw
Replies: 2799 06 Oct 10 21:31
FOT's are set at 78%. same as any fruity HTH
ianhamilton. Joined: 01 Aug 03
Replies: 2799 06 Oct 10 21:34
Because i am in global draw
They are sufficiently random to be more random than in a real casino. I believe that they use something akin to what is described in the second paragraph below (from random.org):
Perhaps you have wondered how predictable machines like computers can generate randomness. In reality, most random numbers used in computer programs are pseudo-random, which means they are a generated in a predictable fashion using a mathematical formula. This is fine for many purposes, but it may not be random in the way you expect if you're used to dice rolls and lottery drawings.
RANDOM.ORG offers true random numbers to anyone on the Internet. The randomness comes from atmospheric noise, which for many purposes is better than the pseudo-random number algorithms typically used in computer programs. People use RANDOM.ORG for holding drawings, lotteries and sweepstakes, to drive games and gambling sites, for scientific applications and for art and music. The service has existed since 1998 and was built and is being operated by Mads Haahr of the School of Computer Science and Statistics at Trinity College, Dublin in Ireland.
hth. If you still don't really understand, or want to know more, look here:
http://www.random.org/randomness/
Perhaps you have wondered how predictable machines like computers can generate randomness. In reality, most random numbers used in computer programs are pseudo-random, which means they are a generated in a predictable fashion using a mathematical formula. This is fine for many purposes, but it may not be random in the way you expect if you're used to dice rolls and lottery drawings.
RANDOM.ORG offers true random numbers to anyone on the Internet. The randomness comes from atmospheric noise, which for many purposes is better than the pseudo-random number algorithms typically used in computer programs. People use RANDOM.ORG for holding drawings, lotteries and sweepstakes, to drive games and gambling sites, for scientific applications and for art and music. The service has existed since 1998 and was built and is being operated by Mads Haahr of the School of Computer Science and Statistics at Trinity College, Dublin in Ireland.
hth. If you still don't really understand, or want to know more, look here:
http://www.random.org/randomness/
Know all - Why would they need to be programmed when the odds look after the percentage take naturally?
you only have to play them to realise they are not random, you can alter the percentage take on them, they are computer operated
you only have to play them to realise they are not random, you can alter the percentage take on them, they are computer operated
Doreen12
Brilliantly put - and so true.
Banks is correct.
Conclusion, ignore these filthy machines at all costs.
To the poster who had 2 horse bets and won - and then lost on the FOBT's - shame on you. Get more discipline - and you will stay in front. IGNORE THE MACHINES.They are for cretins.
Brilliantly put - and so true.
Banks is correct.
Conclusion, ignore these filthy machines at all costs.
To the poster who had 2 horse bets and won - and then lost on the FOBT's - shame on you. Get more discipline - and you will stay in front. IGNORE THE MACHINES.They are for cretins.
These machines being played by thousands of people every day sometimes stakeing 100 pound a spin would love to know how many have won 20k ive yet to hear of anyone winning these sort of ammounts its very easy to lose big money very quickly and im sure if someone had won a life changing ammount the big bookmakers would be falling over themselves to advertise the fact these machines may average out at the levels they say but truely random, when do bookmakers ever put themselves at risk.
its the speed at which these things go i guess
nearly all punters lose on here because of the 5% commission.
They may over a long period of time break even on bets or even make a profit but over an high turnover the 5% will beat them.
On the fobts and especially the roulette the edge will beat them faster as they may turnover their bank several times during a few minutes play, 1 hours play may be equivalent to 2 years of betting on here for some people such is the ferocity of the play on these machines
nearly all punters lose on here because of the 5% commission.
They may over a long period of time break even on bets or even make a profit but over an high turnover the 5% will beat them.
On the fobts and especially the roulette the edge will beat them faster as they may turnover their bank several times during a few minutes play, 1 hours play may be equivalent to 2 years of betting on here for some people such is the ferocity of the play on these machines
i used to work in bookies and 4 of our machines turned over £170,000 in one week ... as at the time 99% of play was roulette the profit was 2.7% of that figure
a depressing number of replies to a thread which should have been ended with the answer YES and directions to the asylum for the divvy that asked the question. they are not programmed, they are entirely random. the profits are made because of the large turnover, taking 2.7p from every pound wagered. much better for the punter than most other form of wagering. you dont have to be alan einstein to work this out. numbers picked out as they are at bingo. thats it. unless of course this is another massive conspiracy between manufacturers, bookmakers, auditors, customs and excise, etc. mmm.
cheers for keeping the thread going grappler, interesting read
I have seen a few people winning 20 grand and more, but most are hell-bent on putting it back in. i also stood in a H1lls in central London about a month ago and watched a guy very calmly lose 16 grand, and it only took him 3 hours.... If they had allowed him to play 1000 a spin instead of 100, I'm sure he would have done so... I'm sure, like any form of gambling if you showed some discipline you could find a way to turn a profit though.
i agree dharma, the average punter has less chance on here with the slight over round and 5% comm , difference here is that its a slower death, giving time for an whole new breed of mugs to be born
I have and do know of a fella who won big on these machines. It was in a Chisholm's bookmakers in Burradon, Northumberland. He used to stake £20 a spin, have £13 on 17 and £1 on 7 other numbers. One day, 17 came out 5 times within about 10 spins. He was laughing jumping all over the place and then his friends said to come off he declined. His bet grew to £100 a spin but he had covered only a few more numbers, covering 5 numbers i think with the £13 he had on 17.
To cut a long story short, this fella went to Turkey for a months holiday, and when he came back, lost everything!
That is a true story, i do not know why bookmakers would not want to advertise winners on these machines, i am sure they have their reasons, perhaps it is because they are so addictive and they have been warned not to by government or some other kind. But i do see winners on occasions playing them, but also see a sh!t load more losers!
To cut a long story short, this fella went to Turkey for a months holiday, and when he came back, lost everything!
That is a true story, i do not know why bookmakers would not want to advertise winners on these machines, i am sure they have their reasons, perhaps it is because they are so addictive and they have been warned not to by government or some other kind. But i do see winners on occasions playing them, but also see a sh!t load more losers!
'if you showed some discipline you could find a way to turn a profit though'
(sigh)
(sigh)
dharma
you can have all the discipline in the world on fobt's it's impossible to win long-term as unlike sports gambling you cannot gain an edge
every £100 in real money will turnover £3704 on average on fobt roulette
you can have all the discipline in the world on fobt's it's impossible to win long-term as unlike sports gambling you cannot gain an edge
every £100 in real money will turnover £3704 on average on fobt roulette
will i bump into everybody that plays these machines [:D]
it is impossible to win on the lottery long term as there is over 50% edge against you, yet if you win the jackpot it is impossible to play out the long term in your lifetime unless you dramatically increase your staking [;)]
how come dealer gets blackjack more times than tom cruise in rainman aswell
or is it just roulette thats random
or is it just roulette thats random
comparing betting on here with over round and 5% is different to roulette betting with 2.7% edge.
On here we use form , whereas on roulette form is totally irrelevant as it is " random "
On here we use form , whereas on roulette form is totally irrelevant as it is " random "
the point was that for the average punter form is totally irrelevant as they have no chance of finding an edge with it, they are in effect playing with numbers, the form just deludes them
the problem is that no-one seems to understand the concept of randomness. I can categorically assure you that it is possible to win in the long term - like everything in life....
educator - I personally know someone quite well who won a triple rollover - £10.2m He is bankrupt....
1. Whether the number is generated in the machine or a remote computer,it is random. It does not take into account the chips placed for that spin. It doesn't need to because as people keep saying, but some thickos just don't understand,the odds you get paid at are LESS than the real odds of a number/colour coming up. If someone offered you 4/5 for the toss of a coin you will lose in the long run for certain because the real odds are evens.
2. You don't see big winners because the stakes are restricted and your credit/bank has to be built up over many spins. The more you spin,the more likely the poor odds in your favour will get you. I have seen several £2k tickets in the past and a £3.7k one,but i'd be amazed if anyone has collected much more in one session.
Some of the comments on here are laughable really. No wonder the shops are full of ignorant machine addicts. They don't understand the basics and what they are up against.[smiley:crazy]
2. You don't see big winners because the stakes are restricted and your credit/bank has to be built up over many spins. The more you spin,the more likely the poor odds in your favour will get you. I have seen several £2k tickets in the past and a £3.7k one,but i'd be amazed if anyone has collected much more in one session.
Some of the comments on here are laughable really. No wonder the shops are full of ignorant machine addicts. They don't understand the basics and what they are up against.[smiley:crazy]
Unless they release the source code for the roulette software, you will never be 100% sure it is "random" and doesn't have certain functions built into it. For example if a group of numbers come up more than 5 times in a row then make a different number next. Even in real casinos if the person spinning the roulette wheel for hours becomes predictable to within a certain number range then he is replaced; the same thing can happen to a random number generator and there could be functions to prevent it.
i suppose poker works on a similar random number generator system ?
part 1
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part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=Hbvj48Jne3U&feature=related
part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn66ACZkKXA
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=Hbvj48Jne3U&feature=related
-also if your on a casino, your betting on consecutive spins, the fobt's generate a "game" every second or so, there can be many "spins" between yours, therefore any sequence followers are losers before they start.
Uour better off playing odds and evens with your mates.
Uour better off playing odds and evens with your mates.
the correct answer for the op is...we dont know as we dont have access to the softwear..and never will.
stjms Joined: 06 Mar 08
Replies: 64 07 Oct 10 16:17
Unless they release the source code for the roulette software, you will never be 100% sure it is "random" and doesn't have certain functions built into it. For example if a group of numbers come up more than 5 times in a row then make a different number next. Even in real casinos if the person spinning the roulette wheel for hours becomes predictable to within a certain number range then he is replaced; the same thing can happen to a random number generator and there could be functions to prevent it.
I've seen black come up 27 times in a row on a machine. The bookies don't get access to the source code afaik. The games are developed independantly by stand alone companies.
Replies: 64 07 Oct 10 16:17
Unless they release the source code for the roulette software, you will never be 100% sure it is "random" and doesn't have certain functions built into it. For example if a group of numbers come up more than 5 times in a row then make a different number next. Even in real casinos if the person spinning the roulette wheel for hours becomes predictable to within a certain number range then he is replaced; the same thing can happen to a random number generator and there could be functions to prevent it.
I've seen black come up 27 times in a row on a machine. The bookies don't get access to the source code afaik. The games are developed independantly by stand alone companies.
i bet the person who invented these is worth well over 100 million imo
the odds on a chosen colour coming up 27 times in a row starting at a specific point are 273,646,367-1 !!!!
Google "trigger numbers."
Knowing which numbers these were, covering half the board, and repeat betting every thirty seconds I believe worked for a few, for a long time and maybe does still...
My strong advice is, don't play the machine at all unless you have knowledge and access to updates, which you won't find online.
Knowing which numbers these were, covering half the board, and repeat betting every thirty seconds I believe worked for a few, for a long time and maybe does still...
My strong advice is, don't play the machine at all unless you have knowledge and access to updates, which you won't find online.
grendel Joined: 02 Jul 04
Replies: 1554 07 Oct 10 18:01
the odds on a chosen colour coming up 27 times in a row starting at a specific point are 273,646,367-1 !!!!
peckham flasher Joined: 07 Feb 08
Replies: 1813 07 Oct 10 18:02
But the odds of a random generator giving just 3 outcomes is exactly the same every time. It doesn't matter what happened before.
Replies: 1554 07 Oct 10 18:01
the odds on a chosen colour coming up 27 times in a row starting at a specific point are 273,646,367-1 !!!!
peckham flasher Joined: 07 Feb 08
Replies: 1813 07 Oct 10 18:02
But the odds of a random generator giving just 3 outcomes is exactly the same every time. It doesn't matter what happened before.
I work in a bookies and the other day a guy put a chip on every number except one twice.Guess the outcome.Dont think this proves anything apart from dont play them.
Yep. If true though (as I believe) you have to know someone on the inside.
They operate from a random number generator it is regulated B2 CONTENT ROULETTE
B3 Slots have a fixed percentage
It is all detailed on the information section on each FOBT
B3 Slots have a fixed percentage
It is all detailed on the information section on each FOBT
Trying to convince forumites that they are not"****" is pointless.Just ask yourselves why casinos make fortunes and their main customers play ROULETTE.There is a house or machine percentage,that's all that is needed.
Every town would like to have a casino licence and have roulette tables if they were allowed.
The biggest problem with machine players I have been reliably informed is that if they do get lucky and win one day they can't hold onto it and HAVE TO RETURN to try to win more and end up blowing all the winnings.So the machines don't just rely on the %,they have human greed as well.
A manager recently told me about a guy that won consistently for nearly 2 weeks then in a few days lost it all,nothing to show for his early success.
With racing or sports betting you can form an opinion on whether the prices are too high or too low and bet accordingly,on casino games they are always right for the house.
Some thought6/1 Workforce was way too high and backed it,their opinion.
With the machine games opinions are worthless.
Every town would like to have a casino licence and have roulette tables if they were allowed.
The biggest problem with machine players I have been reliably informed is that if they do get lucky and win one day they can't hold onto it and HAVE TO RETURN to try to win more and end up blowing all the winnings.So the machines don't just rely on the %,they have human greed as well.
A manager recently told me about a guy that won consistently for nearly 2 weeks then in a few days lost it all,nothing to show for his early success.
With racing or sports betting you can form an opinion on whether the prices are too high or too low and bet accordingly,on casino games they are always right for the house.
Some thought6/1 Workforce was way too high and backed it,their opinion.
With the machine games opinions are worthless.
Work it out 35/1 paid for 36 numbers 2.7% itys like backing heads ot tails at 20/21 all day you will lose.
Casinos etc just need people to play the board for as long as possible.
Casinos etc just need people to play the board for as long as possible.
Typo
Work it out 35/1 paid for 36+ 0 numbers 2.7% itys like backing heads ot tails at 20/21 all day you will lose.
Casinos etc just need people to play the board for as long as possible.
Work it out 35/1 paid for 36+ 0 numbers 2.7% itys like backing heads ot tails at 20/21 all day you will lose.
Casinos etc just need people to play the board for as long as possible.
smillo 07 Oct 10 18:26
I work in a bookies and the other day a guy put a chip on every number except one twice.Guess the outcome.Dont think this proves anything apart from dont play them.
That punter sounds very clever, can I lay him private?
I work in a bookies and the other day a guy put a chip on every number except one twice.Guess the outcome.Dont think this proves anything apart from dont play them.
That punter sounds very clever, can I lay him private?
mginvest Joined: 19 Feb 02
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grendel Joined: 02 Jul 04
Replies: 1554 07 Oct 10 18:01
the odds on a chosen colour coming up 27 times in a row starting at a specific point are 273,646,367-1 !!!!
peckham flasher Joined: 07 Feb 08
Replies: 1813 07 Oct 10 18:02
But the odds of a random generator giving just 3 outcomes is exactly the same every time. It doesn't matter what happened before.
don't quite get your point
if you stood playing a machine and said to yourself, right, i'm gonna stay here til black comes up 27 times in a row then you'd on average be there waiting for 267 years giving 2 spins per minute, not disbelieving you, just pointing out how rare that occurrence would be
Replies: 1511 07 Oct 10 18:22
grendel Joined: 02 Jul 04
Replies: 1554 07 Oct 10 18:01
the odds on a chosen colour coming up 27 times in a row starting at a specific point are 273,646,367-1 !!!!
peckham flasher Joined: 07 Feb 08
Replies: 1813 07 Oct 10 18:02
But the odds of a random generator giving just 3 outcomes is exactly the same every time. It doesn't matter what happened before.
don't quite get your point
if you stood playing a machine and said to yourself, right, i'm gonna stay here til black comes up 27 times in a row then you'd on average be there waiting for 267 years giving 2 spins per minute, not disbelieving you, just pointing out how rare that occurrence would be
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