Calling On-Course Bookmakers

airyarse

these big staking clowns {arbers } are spoiling the whole racing game for everyone.

correct pal

wasnot

which is the more likely

correct e/w terms or getting some of them to dress smart ?

The world is full of arbers i tell theeee, we are all doomed, fffs its bookies jargon for punters with brains ( i dont blame them for not wanting to play with certain punters, i wouldnt either) but this arber nonsense is just that NONSENSE!!!

I never arb,why struggle to get the "value" then sell it?? **ers i m o.


But im branded an arber because i want best price, dont we all ?

mike there are racecourse bookmakers who will have say an even 100 then go and lay 1.96 to make there book look better,they dont care about giving the value away.

alan b in a suit -)

jimnast 26 Apr 08:26


mike there are racecourse bookmakers who will have say an even 100 then go and lay 1.96 to make there book look better,they dont care about giving the value away

True jimnast, i sometimes get mixed up between the on course guys, 90% a credit to there profession, and the high street robbers who share there name but not values.

not EVERYONE who bets more than £100 are arbers lads..

every bet i ever have i want,and to be fair,most on course bookmakers do lay me as they know its the case...

brett xx

If the expectation is that 'free entry' means the whole world and his friend will tun up - my views are somewhat less optimistic.

Decimal odds are going to have them flocking through the turnstlyes . . not

regarding the decimal load of bol.ox lets hope the 3 samples on wednesday report back to those whos branewave this is,thats its nonsense and wont work.

hi jimnast,amazing how they are making such a big deal out of it,only 3 books at one track,i also understand that the books have agreed to do it to show how futile it is although no doubt the punters comments in the media will be hand picked.

hello ribero,lets just hope after wednesday its put to bed for ever,i cant see any of the 3 books encourageing such nonsense.although of course one of them will enjoy all the limelight on wednesday.

i see goodwood are as pro bookmaker as ever,on saturday the silver ring is closed but they will allow people in if the overflow in tatts is to big,silver ring books are welcom to turn up but must pay the tatts price for the badge.

jimnast,are you at any of the free days?

jimnast 26 Apr 08:14
wasnot
which is the more likely
correct e/w terms or getting some of them to dress smart ?

1000.0 each of 2.

Haydock Sat Night.....At the other end of the Tatts Ring Bob Hughes,and Terry Higgins were 1/4 the odds 1st 4

Not me guv. 16-22 I'm 1/5th and pulling the nuts out of the prices.

if the fields are small at wincanton tuesday i might go to nottingham,ascot wednesday i think i will miss as i am back down south on thursday for 5 days,none of the others i will be going to.it will be a hard choice for those who have picks in tatts at newmarket and goodwood saturday.

wasnot

shocking prices on both runners

personnally speaking i think after this week it will just revert to normal ..congratulations to people who show ideas and iniatative and i hope it sincerley works for you ,well done to goodwood and ascot but when theses new folk see the price of a burger and a bottle of water im sure that will have a lasting effect in the way there there pocket thinks....well done to huntingdon because they seem to be trying harder in the last 12 months than previously ,also the same goes out to nottingham who only charge a tenner to get in and now there opening there gates for free ,the other 40 odd tracks should hold there heads in shame ....good luck guys to one and all

indeed well done nottingham just a tenner to get in tatts,ludlow and newton abbot tenner in the family ring.

racecourses need investment.too many betting operators not paying their fair share into pot especially off shore operators.time goverment got grip on those pulling the wool

You missed nothing at Ludlow yesterday, jimnast. Down about 10% in tickets but there were only 9 books compared to 15 last year.

good morning ian,spent to much time at ludlow over the winter betting badly decided to give bath a try,9 books only on there big day of the season you would think it would have been good,worrying times maybe.

Did the Wetherby bookies get a bit wet yesterday?

with all this happening this week,i can see more people turning up(but will they have a bet)but just think how many books are going to turn up also,we will have to see!

it must be hard you bookies to make a living these days. everytime i go racing, even if there seems a decent crowd, hardly anyone seems to be betting in the ring.there seems to be more action at a couple of point to points ive attended tho some right jokers turn up there to bet.

Jimnast.wasnot,ribero et al...as a matter of interest,how many figures can these new boards show? If it"s 11/8,can they show 1.375,or will we be treated to a bit "over the odds",and get 7/5?!

For the "trial" the odds will be displayed to two decimal places and will be decimal equivalents of fractional odds e.g 1.38 instead of 11/8 and 0.73 for 8/11.

not a big fan of bookmakers, but my mate Arty (course bookie), was complaining to me Sat night, that there is no money on the course, and came away from Sandown, £23 down after exs, may be your standing in the wronge place Aty, your begining to sound like a poor farmer.said i.he told me to do what the birds do in winter.

Cheers uwgs...so if you have a grand on the 11/8 chance,you get a free fifty(1380)...nice one!

Hope this isnt going to end up a farse,was at Doncaster earlier this year when they announced any one wanting free tickets to go to the office and fill out a form,which i did and was given two tickets,the post has just arrived and low and behold two tickets have arrived.Repeat this with everyone else that did the sameand theres going to be an awful lot of us out there with four tickets instead of two,i have visions of this decending into chaos

sedgfield will be packed tuesday lets hope those bookie chappies play it fair with these new punters

beast if this takes off and i hope it doesnt how on earth are the books without led boards going to fit these digital figures on ?

hi jimnast,they would need a board wider than the pink princess.lol

jimnast,youve answered the question with your first 5 words.
Anyone with an ounce of commom sense must realise that it can"t take off.

hello dodger good point about how many books will turn up at these free meetings.

Do the electronic boards have the capability to display digital odds correctly just now or are we going to have fun with punters claiming it was 33/1 when I bet it not 3.3 (I would'nt have bet it at that price )

not just how many books turn up but how many network every avaible pitch

Simple question,why do bookmakers keep saying decimal odds are nonsense when the computer operator oncourse has one eye on his/her DECIMAL SCREEN and relays that that the 6/4 fav. is 2.6 on the exchange.

Not forgetting the Tote is decimal too.As is every price abroad as far as I know!

But do the boards work properly

So the new decimal odds are going to be 1.38 for 11/8 and not 2.38 ? Isn't that making everything more confusing when comparing to say the tote dividend or exchange prices ?

I really don't think the bookies can do it.They are so used to been greedy.All they know is poor value which any idiot could give.If the on course game was heads and tails they would be laying 4/6 heads 4/6 tails.This is how greedy they are and they are still kicking themselves for losing ''their'' punters to the machine .If they hadnt been so greedy maybe I would not be writing this now.I say they will feel due to greed and unable to have the skill to lay a book.

what people forget is that a lot of punters who go racing dont understand the present odds nevermind decimal odds,i had a guy on saturday calling me a robbing so and so as he got 7/2 a 5/2 shot as he thought it was 4s as that was the number of the horse.the sooner this idea gets binned the better.

well said ribero,but unfortunately this happens quite a lot.

Qite true ribero...I remember a punter at Market Rasen complaining to
Robert Peak that he had only got 1/4 odds a place,when his pal had
got 1/5th with T*d Ho*nby ,and that Robert was robbing him...........
soon changed his mind when told to look at place pay on his ticket

What a load of rubbish replies,as expected.Why are you all forgetting the flexibility of decimal odds instead of citing one-off poor examples.What is wrong with offering 4.1 a 4/1 chance to beat the competition,that's not complex or confusing.
So you don't have decimal odds on your laptops showing exchange prices?
To use your examples ,new punters don't know which is better 100/30 or 7/2,,however they WILL KNOW that 3.5 is bigger than 3.3

the beast 26 Apr 12:01
Cheers uwgs...so if you have a grand on the 11/8 chance,you get a free fifty(1380)...nice one!

Oh dear . what chance have we got with maths like that going on .

unbiased,if you dont like the prices dont have a bet,plenty of books go 5/2 when its 3.4 on here etc so it works both ways,all these silly decimals may work well on here but people forget the practical side of it,can you imagine all the change you would need and the time it would take on a busy saturday? typical logic fron people stuck behind a computer all day,anyhow no point arguing as i would never use them unless forced,incidentally are many on here who support it rushing to ascot to bet with these 3 bookmakers?

Ribero,have bookmakers ever done anything they weren't FORCED to do.Meanwhile you didn't say whether it was easier for new punters to understand the diff. between 100/30 and 7/2 compared with 3.3 and 3.5. .Instead you had yet another swipe at the exchanges.

DONEITHERE...sorry,i meant a free pony!

beasty , its a fiver difference .lol.

you cant stop change,no betfair on course, no computers, no boards on rails, no more tote outlets, make no mistake it will happen and those that get in first could make the most, if this experiment is a success then why not

i hear b&k has already ordered his new boards,lol

I don't know about it being a massive crowd at Sedgefield tomorrow night but has anyone got their letters yet ?
None of my daughters mates have received their letters.
Don't they realise that sending them out last minute is no good, but there again I am talking about Sedgefield & the crowd running the place.I suppose we shouldn't expect any better,we should just learn to accept their style of management.
When the announcements concerning the Miss Durham contest are more important than late withdrawels etc.well what chance does the racing have?

Got two for Donny today and allready had them ffs,got them when i was on course at a previous meeting,so all them in the same boat as me will now have four instead of the intended two

Just back from towcester. s and d , alan j preston,dave bow, well done fellas, 1/5th odds on the dirty ew race, neil astor, not so good hey 1/7th the odds!!

But at least you wasnt as bad as the win only clowns, what a great advert you lot was.New customers havin no idea why they couldnt bet ew to a couple of quid !!

Understand you not wanting to lay us "sharks" but that was laughable.

Adage is that you under the cowboy hat, if so well done fella.

nice gamble landed in the last race 3-1 into 6-4......

^^^ GREAT STUFF.

mike,
that's an aussie breeze hat.
off to darts match..back later

not so good hey 1/7th the odds!!
But at least you wasnt as bad as the win only clowns

You've got to laugh. Day after day we hear about how "them bookies" should bet to traditional EW terms or put up Win Only, now it seems that betting 1/7th the odds is better than betting to proper odds and win only. Make your minds up fellas!

good call wassy ..betting to a seventh lol ..shud be slung of the track imo ..and astor is my mate but its disgraceful

1/7 thats bad and i mean really bad, should be banned from holding a licence

good thread. as you know i'm standard terms and don't turn any business away. smart? ehm...

If I was betting on course @ some of these meetings I would take the Eway problem and turn it on its head.
Why hasn't at least ONE bookmaker thought out of the box - BET PLACE ONLY - I would (necessity is the mother of invention)
THINK ABOUT IT LADS

THINK INOVATION LADS

In fact i might just make a comback - ANY BOOKMAKERS WANT A CASH INVESTOR ?

spirito, with your joining date of 31st March 2010 perhaps you have already made your comeback.

razmos go back to bed

most who are awake know who I am

some who are allegedly still half asleep also know who you are ;)

razmos thats good your in the know allegedly

You must admit razmos it's a sound idea?

Foss Lass didn't seem particularly punter friendly last night. They cannot be the same lot who attend Kempton .. or can they?

liberator what do you expect their Welsh- !!!

You've got to laugh. Day after day we hear about how "them bookies" should bet to traditional EW terms or put up Win Only, now it seems that betting 1/7th the odds is better than betting to proper odds and win only. Make your minds up fellas!


Completely diff day, you had new people who didnt have a clue, your "new" punters, i see the look of bewilderment on there faces when they asked for ew, to be told win only, so off they went to the tote.**ers.

I knew that adage, was my lad said it was a cowboy hat honest . . .

Mike - Towcester always free & punters were in the main the same old faces. I've got plenty of regular punters there who like a proper bet & wouldnt be too happy at me putting up everything bar the front two at half price in order to accomodate the £1 EW punters at 1/5th odds.

Everyone who asked me for an EW bet was given an explanation and pointed in the direction of adge. The other meetings this week I agree more with you, not Towcester. Hopefully the other courses will be adle to stage more competitive racing. Big odds ons are not a good advert for the product to newcomers.

Fair comment wasnot. what name do you bet under??



Hope the 1/7th the odds guy took a 1/7th of adages business.

Mind you the £6 quid burger was up there with him. £6 quid for a burger!!

Mike he should have gone eway with the burger - and he would have got a 7oz instead of a quarter pounder £12 - get in there my son- COME RACING

*****where value also, think it worked out bout £2 quid a pototo, that makes a bag bout what??? £200 quid?? come racing.



Message to self, plant some marris pipers in allotment. :)

When you go to chantilly you pay 3euros to watch their Derby- dont need to book a table in a fabulous restaurnt- get free champers as you walk in - then tuck into a 4 course meal for 25 euros.
Trouble is the old enemys not there.
British racing is the best in the world- we have the best horses best racecourses BUT WE GET RIPPED OFF EVERYTIME. I don't blame the bookmakers I BLAME THE COURSE EXECUTIVES.

Towcester is about the best course exec around all they need to do now is get the chefs trained

IT's about time courses realised people don't want to eat hot dogs - heated up on a bunson burner- put a few tents up with proper chefs chairs and make things comfortable - Wind sor mange it.
Thats why people flock there every monday night.

liberator

why was ffos las not punter friendly last night ?

Racing For Change?
It's about time they changed some of the management at the courses.
My daughter applied the middle of last week for tickets at Sedgefield tonight along with quite a few of her mates.Her post has been,no tickets & up to last night none of her mates had tickets.
That's good publicity for the game isn't it?

allpoints

i bet at epsom for the 1st time last wednesday,i asked where the bookmakers car park was ,they said we dont have one,just park anywhere,this with all the security issues we now face.

Unbiased,

In my book 7/2 & 10/3 in decimal terms are 4.5 & 4.3........another chance to skin the punter ?

no long before someone gets a system that makes the dot more like a dash and both bets will be on offer at 4.1 and the punters will think they are 4/1

went to perth last week

£15 in fair enough, I can just about accept that


£5.90 for burger and *****

£4.50 for a steak roll

£2.50 for a portion of *****

£1.50 for an ice cream cone

£1.50 for a bottle of water

are those prices value ?

and the food was very moderate to be honest

yes , kenny , we all know 100/30 is bigger than 4.3 but we make allowances

you appear to have a large appetite, par. bound to be costly if you are ging to eat all that during 1 afternoon at the races.

ALL DECIMALS IN AUSTRALIA AND IT WORKS FINE

Where is the aussi hat standing today adage?

Par,
That's just a snack for Gary Wiltshire........

Used to get a nice big piece of game pie at Lingfield for £3........no longer though.

Adge,
So all those 1,000/70's, 1,000/90's, 100/30's etc. will have to be converted back in the field book to decimals.

a £1000 to £80 was offered as a small concesion as against £960 to £80 but I fear the fractions will be used against the punters interest.

cubone

3 afternoons

on the first day out a bookie using the old clerking book started off taking every bet that was called,

A tick went up to him and asked for a 100 to 8 a horse and after the race when the tick tack offered his the £8

He said

"You had a £100 @ 8.

The lad said what a 12/1 chance
He was told by the bookmaker next door that he was wrong the bet actually was only £8.

So how land will it be that some unscrupulous person gains an advantage.

cubone

mike it's having a day of rest before pontefract, huntingdon , doncaster and newmarket to complete the week

May well meet it thurs ngt at hunty, well done yesterday full odds on the filthy race, fellow racegoers seek out alan j preston a proper bookie.

adge - is MikeWood your 2nd account?