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RUNS A STINKER HERE TODAY, WINS NEXT YEARS NATIONAL
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well lay it then and if you are right you will have my dough - otherwise i will be drinking whatever you drank last night - only more of it!
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Dunno whos rgt here, but that is a top notch answer bus.;)
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dog... :0
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thebus13 21 Apr 08:55
well lay it then and if you are right you will have my dough - otherwise i will be drinking whatever you drank last night - only more of it! ....doesn't sound great thebus... Will he be filling milk bottles for ya :0 |
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IVE JUST REALISED THE FORM BOOK IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME AT THESE BIG MEETS, AS THE GAME STINKS, SO YOU JUST GOT TO GO WITH WHAT YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN. THE SCENARIO ABOVE IS HOW I THINK IT WILL ALL PAN OUT
TO BE HONEST ITS JUST ABOUT LAYING FAVOURITES |
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did not think about that, presumed he was still drunk!
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Swinstar 21 Apr 09:11
IVE JUST REALISED THE FORM BOOK IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME AT THESE BIG MEETS, AS THE GAME STINKS, SO YOU JUST GOT TO GO WITH WHAT YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN. THE SCENARIO ABOVE IS HOW I THINK IT WILL ALL PAN OUT TO BE HONEST ITS JUST ABOUT LAYING FAVOURITES dear oh dear |
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HOW MANY FAVS WON YESTERDAY FACTS
OUT OF INTEREST OLD BOY |
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Maybe A.P, will get it right, this time, lets say, 3th time lucky, thought he would have learned from the Newbury fisasco, he didn't, he tryed to (i did it my way), AP, likes to be in controll, is excelent at getting every ounce out of a horse, he bullies them, when needed, but in Denmans case, you take the roll as a passenger, for in a race like the Gold Cup, 90% of the race, gallop them in to the ground, if some can take them along for part of the race, at a good strong pace, (like is stable companion did 2 years ago, great), but he was not there this time, and Mattie Batchaler, was not setting that sort of pace, and AP, sat taking Lumps out of Denman's jaw, at the majorty, of the race and fences, and when Paddy Brennan , came there swinging, AP, decided to go, was it a mile out, was totaly done for speed, and when he went about lenght down, Denman, as whet most experanced horse do, threw the towel in, If AP had let Denman do what Denman is good at, (galloping his rivals in to the ground) AP, let a speed horse beat him, who may not has be able to have used his speed, in an end to end gallop in a gold cup, so if he runs today (ground permitting) and gets beat, we can blame on the ground and going right handed, Assuming he's there to do his best.
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Maybe A.P, will get it right, this time, lets say, 3th time lucky, thought he would have learned from the Newbury fisasco, he didn't, he tryed to (i did it my way), AP, likes to be in controll, is excelent at getting every ounce out of a horse, he bullies them, when needed, but in Denmans case, you take the roll as a passenger, for in a race like the Gold Cup, 90% of the race, gallop them in to the ground, if some can take them along for part of the race, at a good strong pace, (like is stable companion did 2 years ago, great), but he was not there this time, and Mattie Batchaler, was not setting that sort of pace, and AP, sat taking Lumps out of Denman's jaw, at the majorty, of the race and fences, and when Paddy Brennan , came there swinging, AP, decided to go, was it a mile out, was totaly done for speed, and when he went about lenght down, Denman, as whet most experanced horse do, threw the towel in, If AP had let Denman do what Denman is good at, (galloping his rivals in to the ground) AP, let a speed horse beat him, who may not has be able to have used his speed, in an end to end gallop in a gold cup, so if he runs today (ground permitting) and gets beat, we can blame on the ground and going right handed,
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As a matter of interest i don't back favs.
Neither do I lay horses. But such comments - as highlighted - are a tad 'sweeping ' to say the least |
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12 faves won yesterday and one fave was withdrawn...but none at punchestown...but none were denman
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A DOG?????????
pffft seething after the gold cup IMO |
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Maybe A.P, will get it right, this time, lets say, 3th time lucky, thought he would have learned from the Newbury fisasco, he didn't, he tryed to (i did it my way), AP, likes to be in controll, is excelent at getting every ounce out of a horse, he bullies them, when needed, but in Denmans case, you take the roll as a passenger, as for in a race like the Gold Cup, 90% of the race, gallop them in to the ground, if some can take them along for part of the race, at a good strong pace, (like is stable companion did 2 years ago, great), but he was not there this time, and Mattie Batchaler, was not setting that sort of pace, and AP, sat taking Lumps out of Denman's jaw, at the majorty, of the race and fences, and when Paddy Brennan , came there swinging, AP, decided to go, was it a mile out, was totaly done for speed, and when he went about lenght down, Denman, as whet most experanced horse do, threw the towel in, If AP had let Denman do what Denman is good at, (galloping his rivals in to the ground) AP, let a speed horse beat him, who may not has be able to have used his speed, in an end to end gallop in a gold cup, so if he runs today (ground permitting) and gets beat, we can blame on the ground and going right handed,
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NONE AT PUNCHESTOWN, EXACTLY, IM TALKING ABOUT BIG RACE MEETS
WHEN THERES PRIZE MONEY KNOCKIN ABOUT HORSES WITH NO FORM SUDDENLY FIND THEIR FEET AGAIN. AND THEN YOU OBVIOUSLY JUST GET THE STONEWALL "JOBS" LIKE WHAT WENT ON WITH THAT KEMPES, THE OIRISH MADE FORTUNES OUT OF THAT THERE FIDDLE |
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Maybe A.P, will get it right, this time, lets say, 3th time lucky, thought he would have learned from the Newbury fisasco, he didn't, he tryed to (i did it my way), AP, likes to be in controll, is excelent at getting every ounce out of a horse, he bullies them, when needed, but in Denmans case, you take the roll as a passenger, as for in a race like the Gold Cup, 90% of the race, gallop them in to the ground, if something can take them along for part of the race, at a good strong pace, (like is stable companion did 2 years ago, great), but he was not there this time, and Mattie Batchaler, was not setting that sort of pace, and AP, sat taking Lumps out of Denman's jaw, at the majorty, of the race and fences, and when Paddy Brennan , came there swinging, AP, decided to go, was it a mile out and a mile to late late, was totaly done for speed, and when he went about lenght down, Denman, as what most experanced half inteigent horse, will do, threw the towel in, If AP had let Denman do what Denman is good at, (galloping his rivals in to the ground) AP, let a speed horse beat him, who may not has be able to have used his speed, in an end to end gallop in a gold cup, so if he runs today (ground permitting) and gets beat, we can blame on the ground and going right handed, is Richard Barber, (i fink he's the gambleing half owner) having his possitive $ on, £ s, a bit shakey at the moment, hung parlaiment forcast, financial susicide. can't see it myself.
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Swinstar has currently had 2 winning tips from 50. He dosnt no much much about racing. He doesnt even no how a placepot works, and to call denman a dog, he obv knows f uck all
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thanks for the information
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You start off well dd but then I am afraid you lose the plot. I agree the pace was too slow in the GC and they played into IC hands but that is not APs fault. Denman needs to be led for part the race, at the kind of pace you get in good handicaps and fortunately Mattie Bachelor went very fast when Denman won the Gold Cup.
I am hoping Notre Pere and Rare Bob go off at a good clip early on the AP lets Denman take it up after a mile. If that happens he will win however, if they crawl as they did in yesterdays Ch Chase then he will not win. I do not agree that he is a dog, and the mindless punters who offer these opinions are just that, mindless. He does however need certain conditions to perform to his best ability, like most racehorses. |
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BRIGUST1 STOP COVERING EVERY FECKIN ANGLE GOING, WILL DENMAN WIN TODAY YES/NO ?
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yes!
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Caps off Swinstar please. You have been shouting about Denman not being good enough well, tell me who you think will beat him. You have eleven to choose from. Take your time. Put some thought into it. Relax, chill out then give it a go. Any one of the other 11, I don't mind. Make a name for yourself. You are the one shouting about now put a name where your caps lock are.
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i agree with Bigrust
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brigust even !
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Agree with brigust here. (seems we agree on the jumps, rather than the flat ;) ) To me, there just doesn't seem to be a horse in the race that is good enough to really challenge a 70/80 % Denman, if he is indeed only 70/80 % ready for today. Joncol is obviously a very good horse, but nowhere near Denman. Denman destroyed WAF in the Hennessy giving him 2 stone, yet WAF beat Joncol in Ireland earlier in the year. The ground is also a bit risky for Joncol. Cooldine isn't in the same class and also dissapointed at this meeting last season.
I'd be suprised and dissapointed if Denman got beaten today. |
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Deman is obviously the form horse, I just think like every other favourite yesterday he will not win, this is what happens at these big race festivals, forget about the form book for whatever reason I think hell dog it. PULLED UP, TAILED OFF OR FALL, thats just what I think will happen.
Then next year hell run a not so good hcap, then go on to win the National IMO |
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BRIGUST1 STOP COVERING EVERY FECKIN ANGLE GOING, WILL DENMAN WIN TODAY YES/NO ?
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That's better Swin. But just because horses are favourites doesn't mean they are always the best horses. There were 3 Gr1's yesterday, the first won by Blackstairmountain, and he was the best horse before the race. At Cheltenham he was Ruby's choice in front of Flat Out and he was 12/1 while the favourite yesterday was General Miller who was 25/1 at Cheltenham. In the ChCh they crawled when TM refused to race hence strange result and Zaarito is a known dodgy jumper who was never at the races. The clues are all there. Today I think Denman is a solid favourite, unlike the three yesterday, and subject to the race being run properly I expect him to win.
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Caps Lock Swin, hit the Caps Lock. Imagine you are in a room talking to me but you are shouting. So now imagine you are in a room talking to me and I lean forward and say HIT THE E F F ING CAPS LOCK BUTTON SWIN, please.
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To call one of the best staying chasers of recent years 'A Dog' tells me everything I need to know about this poster ;)
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i pray the horse will be ok. but i dont see him running well today at all
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AiS - correct !
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no harrys know as the dog
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A dog i would like to own...But i'd like Joncol more.
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horses of this quality and rating are very rare and should never be called a dog - yes he may not be the consistant force off his peak season but he has thrown in some great performances and Hennessey and GC are no exception...i would say he has so much in hand he could win this nicely
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im with joncol today . i think denman will be in trouble going right handed and on that ground after a gruelling race in gold cup . shouldnt be there imo connections getting greedy . if hed have won the gold cup he wouldnt be here
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i would say going to aintree with a gold cup winner is greedy not waiting for a more likely suitable opportunity like punchestown...given more time to recoup and be ready..just my opinion though
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If Big BUcks dont retake to fences, next years gold cup winner runs today.
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I'm not backing him today but he is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a dog. One of the great staying chasers of his generation and I feel privileged to have seen him win a Gold Cup and finish runner-up in two others.
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