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Just thinking, do people not realise that bookmakers are at their most vulnerable in maiden races, which are often pretty hard to price up. If the £5 punters who nab prices overnight had the patience to hang on until 10.30am, I think we'd be looking at a far greater number of ricks in the morning prices. I've lost count of the numbers of times lately that punters lap up pennies at bigger prices overnight, effectively marking bookies' cards. Opinions?
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Im sure theres many a few quid thrown away overnight marking the bookies card " incorrectly".
Lets face it if you wanted to back a horse with a decent wedge you wouldnt start nibbling away overnight reducing the price would you?
Just so ripe for the "clever" operators to manipulate in their favour.
Lets face it if you wanted to back a horse with a decent wedge you wouldnt start nibbling away overnight reducing the price would you?
Just so ripe for the "clever" operators to manipulate in their favour.
a good way to get a nice RF on a known nr imo!
the £2 and £5 overnight punters are unlikely to point the bookies in the right direction.
I don't know if that's true Overnight. One or two of em are picking the right horses quite often, and influencing the morning show into the bargain. Been looking at this for months.
Easy for full time punters to make these points but some of us have other lives and it is either bet the night before or not at all. I would often choose SP in those circumstances but some people have no alternative if they want a bet.
So if I want a decent price about a second favourite all I need to do is to throw a fiver on the favourite and wait for the drift.
Outpost is correct - 2 and 5s are not going to change a price, it is the ones that take all prices down and then come on here moaning about it and then pretending it aint them that should hang their heads in shame...not aimed at anyone by the way - but we know that it happens...the 2s and 5s punters are probably people who cannot access a pc in the day and put bets on in the evening / nights before - mno harm in that imo
rubbish. a few fivers at 20 16 and 14 will make a horse 12 in the morning- when it might have gone in at 20s.
so i guess the fulltime gamblers want us to hold back so they get there price and we get the scraps dream on
So a pro punter can manipulate a market for about £60?
Stable Staff,
Minimum Wage,
Never stop it,
lean to live within the parameters that are pre determined.
It will drive you nuts otherwise ;)
Minimum Wage,
Never stop it,
lean to live within the parameters that are pre determined.
It will drive you nuts otherwise ;)
blame the tipping lines if you want to blame anyone..."call at midnight for 5* winner"...
Interesting stuff. I'm not really getting at people for doing it, each to their own, just pointing out that it genuinely does only take buttons to change morning prices in some circumstances. Some of the smaller firms who price up early make the odd horrendous blunder in maiden races.
On the other hand, overnight punters bet woefully under the odds in a lot of cases!
Win only - Sp only 19 Apr 08:08
rubbish. a few fivers at 20 16 and 14 will make a horse 12 in the morning- when it might have gone in at 20s.
Agree, but can't blame smaller punters. Betfair should open markets on the day.
rubbish. a few fivers at 20 16 and 14 will make a horse 12 in the morning- when it might have gone in at 20s.
Agree, but can't blame smaller punters. Betfair should open markets on the day.
so an unfancied 20shot will be 12s if i have a tenner tonight LOL
If the weak overnight markets can be manipulated to shorten horses then they can also be manipulated the other way don´t you think?
there are a lot of horses in most races and only one winner.
if you were always on the winner at preferential odds you would not be a £5 punter.(nap)
if you were always on the winner at preferential odds you would not be a £5 punter.(nap)
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