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Report thegalwayman April 18, 2010 5:20 PM BST
No, he's a journalist.
Report onlooker April 18, 2010 5:38 PM BST
No - read his column in this week's Weekender .

An 'off th wall' article about Scientists and Artists - who he compares to ...

Scientists = Serious, studious, Form Students.

Artists = Inherently lazy "chancers", whose method of looking at life is not based on any hard, well researched, facts.

He strongly hints that he is an 'Artist'.

At least he is honest with it.
Report BIGNOSEDAVES SPROG April 18, 2010 5:39 PM BST
wouldnt like to be his bookie :)
Report fawwon April 18, 2010 5:42 PM BST
There is no need for him to risk money
Report metro john April 18, 2010 5:42 PM BST
i dunno? but he better than me man!
Report ReaseHeath April 18, 2010 5:51 PM BST
His Scottish National selections and reasoning was speculative and creative!

Not a criticism as his assumptions were based on previous patterns and events and he would no doubt argue Montero was in process of running a big race before hitting the deck.
Report onlooker April 18, 2010 5:58 PM BST
fawwon is correct .

He's too busy sat watching his beloved Reading, on a Saturday afternoon - to be sat watching the racing. - let alone betting on it.
Report onlooker April 18, 2010 6:02 PM BST
No coincidence, too - that his longest losing run, in fact shambolic losing run, came throughout the season that Reading were relegated from the Premiership.

Rather proving his point that he is an "instinct" player - as opposed to a serious Form student.
Report 3753 Cruithne April 18, 2010 6:16 PM BST
There's a very snide undertone to your posts on this thread, Onlooker. His results speak for themselves, how he achieves them and what he does in his own time is up to him.
Report 718 April 18, 2010 6:18 PM BST
I don't think TS can seriously be accused of being a 'chancer'

Whatever you think of tipsters generally, he is very good
Report wondersobright April 18, 2010 6:18 PM BST
I agree, the Reading link is utter tosh.
Report Stake & Chips April 18, 2010 6:19 PM BST
Pretty sure he watches plenty of racing and factors in his own "key" essentials for his selections (particularly favourite trainer).. :-)
Report Fat Dodgy April 18, 2010 6:22 PM BST
does seem a bit disingenuous dont it, is the man not allowed to have a hobby?
Report sevey April 18, 2010 6:51 PM BST
Also he was heavily into Westwood Ante /Post for the masters nice pay check i think
Report cardifffc April 18, 2010 6:53 PM BST
3753..........are you on the gravy train??
Report Fat Dodgy April 18, 2010 6:56 PM BST
he is very quick to stick up for these types, but on this ocassion he is right imo
Report cardifffc April 18, 2010 6:56 PM BST
fat.........i agree ...........tom is top class
Report cardifffc April 18, 2010 6:58 PM BST
he would be mad not to bet his selections then lay off for a free bet
Report Quito April 18, 2010 7:00 PM BST
Probably got a bit more integrity than that.
Report 3753 Cruithne April 18, 2010 7:05 PM BST
No, cardifffc.
Report onlooker April 18, 2010 7:06 PM BST
3753 crutch - have you read his Weekender article this week ?

I have - what I have posted is verbatim from HIS article.

He has often, in the past, also made reference along the lines of, "rather be watching Reading," when commenting on certain races.

I, therefore, stand by my analysis re: his losing run when Reading were also losing week in week out.

Most observers of human life, and psychiatrists, would be of a similar opinion - especially about somebody who has stated that he plays by instinct.

How many winners do you find on days when you feel that 'you got out of the wrong side of the bed' - as opposed to days when you feel in good heart with a clear head ?

The two are intrinsically inseparable.
Report Orchardist April 18, 2010 7:08 PM BST
intrinsically inseparable - great turn of phrase imo
Report Stake & Chips April 18, 2010 7:10 PM BST
Tom is a flair player, a bit like the George Best of the tipstering world.
Report 3753 Cruithne April 18, 2010 7:14 PM BST
Don't buy the rag Onlooker, so won't have read that column. I will repeat: his results speak for themselves.
Report Cider April 18, 2010 7:20 PM BST
It's results that count, not how you get there.
Report top2rated April 18, 2010 7:21 PM BST
The reasoning behind his tip for Cleni Boy in the Scottish National was strange to say the least.

Quoting the horse's form figures on good ground, what he didn't mention was that those figures were recorded between three and a half to four years ago in a NH Flat race, a Maiden hurdle and a Novice hurdle!
Report fawwon April 18, 2010 7:25 PM BST
A professional tipster?
Report ReaseHeath April 18, 2010 7:32 PM BST
top2rated 18 Apr 19:21
The reasoning behind his tip for Cleni Boy in the Scottish National was strange to say the least.

Quoting the horse's form figures on good ground, what he didn't mention was that those figures were recorded between three and a half to four years ago in a NH Flat race, a Maiden hurdle and a Novice hurdle!


Fair comment but he was taking a flyer with a 66/1 shot.

He has a thing about a pattern of Irish horses potentially well treated in UK who come over because they'll benefit from better ground. In general, it has served him well for some time now.
Report onlooker April 18, 2010 7:37 PM BST
Other than the fact that the last time an Irish trained horse won the Scottish National - King Canute was on the throne. :)
Report Calypso King April 18, 2010 7:42 PM BST
Sir Tom knows more about finding good priced winners than anybody posting on this forum !
Report Calypso King April 18, 2010 7:43 PM BST
Proved it time and time and time again.
Report Stake & Chips April 18, 2010 7:44 PM BST
Do you think Tom is a bit of a lucky guesser, onlooker?
Report cardifffc April 18, 2010 7:48 PM BST
cant see how anyone can knock the guy
Report Big Bucks John April 18, 2010 7:49 PM BST
bullsh1t calypso, now and again he comes up with a good priced winner and I'm not saying he's a bad tipster but I know I'm better than him for a start.
Report Calypso King April 18, 2010 7:50 PM BST
Get outta here ya fuchen halfwit !
Report Calypso King April 18, 2010 7:51 PM BST
Tom has made me thousands and I bet you couldn't tip yer fuchen hat. ;)
Report top2rated April 18, 2010 7:51 PM BST
Remember that summer a few years back when he picked a winner on what was it, seven or eight consecutive Saturdays?

Amazingly during that same period he couldn't find a winner at the big midweek meetings for weeks on end . If memory serves me correctly there was a losing run of twenty odd selections, may have been more.

In fact I wonderered whether there was two different people putting up the selections.

;)
Report onlooker April 18, 2010 7:55 PM BST
Stake & ***** -

That would appear to be his own admission - were you, and the other glib posters on here, to actually read HIS article in the Weekender.

Quotes ...

"If you are of a scientific mentality it must be very annoying to see the chancers get good results ..."

" Go to the pub, have a round of golf or read a book, butdon't spend six hours trawling through the form book ...."

I leave you to draw your own conclusion, Stake & *****
Report Fat Dodgy April 18, 2010 7:58 PM BST
onlooker do you know what set einstein above all his peers? it
Report fawwon April 18, 2010 7:59 PM BST
Are Thommo, Mapletoft, Weaver, Zoe Bird professional punters as well?
Report cardifffc April 18, 2010 8:00 PM BST
winstanley.....top tipster
Report Cider April 18, 2010 8:05 PM BST
Do you have to 'spend 6 hours trawling through the formbook' to qualify as a professional punter?
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