chaos in ring blamed for huge national overround

The Pope

Adi please 2 dear?

14 Ivegotloadsofarttreasures The Vatican...


Big house on the left... Have it on good authority he likes a dirty ew now and again..

grimster ive nothing to say but wanted you 2 get your double century up

My gripe is with Oppenheimer who runs a 200% + book near the parade ring to catch the unwary. Absolutely scandalously underpriced on EVERY single horse on EVERY single race by about 40%!

Disgusting.

Oppenheimer? sounds like a pan lid. That would explain it.

Charwell we have to face simple facts of life-- The race course is not where serious money is bet with the exception of Cheltenham.
All course bookmaker play different games - some like to lay small for high %s Others Like B Dennis wants to take 3 times as much as any other bookmaker so he will bet to smaller margins. Some go there for entertainment - The majors lose money with their on course activities but are there to control off course liablity.
Serious punters don't exist on the race course any longer. I for one spent my life trailing from course to course punting - i still go racing but less often - But i never bet with on course bookmakers - most of mines done well before racing starts.

Disagree - he gets a pitch near the parade ring with only one other bookie within sight and bets to ridiculous margins to fleece racegoers who aren't odds shrewd. It's disgusting and is not operating a book in any sense of the word. It's like a vulture waiting to swoop. And it gives other bookies a bad name.

My mate had a bet with him not realising he was half the price on every runner. He was seething when I pointed this out and has tarnished his day out feeling as though he was suckered.

charwell - i do understand your point - But this man buys and also pays rent to stand an offer his wares, hes not a charity shop - your pal has choice he either takes the easy option and bets with the first bookmaker he sees or he goes for a hike to the main ring and shops around. Ita a bit like the local shop who opens 24 hours or Tescos. Its all down to supply - demand and availability.
Bookmakers arnt there to give free lunches- they go to make a living its a jungle- thats why we love it.

charwell,that might not be a problem next year.

in fact charwell get your mate to write a letter to julian thick at aintree racecourse.

Its shoppers choice Charwell - some iddiots go to Marks and spencers and pay £2 for 1/2 a pint of 3 month old water packed in a plastic bottle - others turn the tap on and get fresh water for nothing.

Bloody hell mr d the prices aint even up yet!! unless you want £3.65p on.

Got to work a bit harder today didd no free lunch, yep your rgt its all this skullduggery that makes us love it.

I just like trying to be like the hero of my youth robin hood, rob the rich to pay the poor.

Sheriffs castle is down rayners lane, with small out posts all over the land.

well you know me Grim i love a ruck

diddles thats all well and good,but there are rules like displaying place terms and paying out whats printed on the ticket {unless theres a r4 or genuine clerical error }there was other issues also with this outfit.

im trying to get you into the guinness book of records-- the fastest growing topic - hey lad your doing ok 200+ and still batting

jimnast ok -but i must say i love his name -- im sure hes a diamond geezer

Grim watch out for maid marrion she could be your downfall -- Fast women slow horses innit

very sharp for this time of the day diddles.

well me and Grim get up early innit - were doing our christmas shopping today

were the new double act - he finds the worms i batter them and then we sell them to tescos as chicken nuggets

Ive got more of a "mad" marrion than a maid.

Dunno where to send, little john,will,alan a dale,friar tuck,today.

That bloody guy of gisbourne who works at bac, makes robbing the waggon train that bit harder.

Trying to mark the outlaws with "odds on" cards.

grim Dunraven storm looks useful @ exeter - cos as u know i do like that Cue Card form. He also beat a very handy one at ascot 1st time up. trouble is he has to give kings mule a few llb.But if someone goes 2s ill snap their hands off

Good luck didds but as you know i like my flat, Got 3 i fancy today all around the 4/1 mark, ob aint going to say yet, let the sheriffs men follow betfair first . . sh it meant price the races up.

2 at ponti one at yarm.

Off to newmkt tomoro, see this years babys and breathe in the rowley miles air, loverly.

Cricketer, if you dont apologise for your racist remark posted 23.50 by 10.am today I will report you and try and have you banned. This forum can do without people posting that 1930- 1940s filth.

Well said bloater. dont have thread taken down tho because of 1 d head please.

Grimster I am dead against racism of any sort members of my family gave their lives to help stamp this thing out. A bit of banter is one thing racism is something completely different.

Total agree. do as you see fit.

grim dont forget the hunter chase its nailed - one from 2 now the N/R is out. both have good jocks

great card newmarket wednesday grimster.

Cricketer - hands up old boy its not nice - i'm sure you dint mean to be as harsh - but put them thats a good lad its just not cricket and id hate to see Grimster fail to get his treble up as hes 225 not out

The Great British Punter.
Start a campaign, write a letter, or chat about the next race and have a ** with each other.
Was it ever thus.

freetea write a letter ?

ok to save any further disruption to grimsters knock-- I will appologise by proxy for Cricketer - and if he sends another googly down I'll step back and smash him back over his head into the pavillion

Youl never see my chinaman comeing didds its all in the wrist action.

That irish are luckys nuts, his thread bout the 2 50 ponti??

I wished him well then he went rgt into one.

Me no understandy.

Told you hes nuts.

write a letter to who tho?

the gambling commission
victoria square house
birmingham
B2 4BP
"keeping gambling fair for all " is their slogan

also 711 post mikewood.

You would be better off with my earlier suggestion of The Pope...

time will tell

Who funds the GC jimnast ?

we do with rediculous annual fees.
i might add....it's certainly not by our choice

I know that adge..

And i take it your putting up of their address was a tiny bit of cynicism ?

Here's a thought, on course chappies (good eggs) Why don't you all write to the GC and tell them what happened last Saturday brings you all into disrepute ? (not by myself may i add)

yes well you dont worry about the chinaman Grim - just concentrate on your batting lad - eh up wrist action - i think Celtic son knows more about action from the wrist -i'll ask him?

You may carry more weight than us poor punters...

Grimster, betfair have erased the racist remark made by cricketer and have left the thread thankfully intact. Good luck with your punting today.

the irish lad might be to blame Grim - but yesterdays results have a great deal to do with it- never mind lad - when you come in for lunch undefeated on 299 not out - go to Exeter and get on those 2 little gems instead - and if the lazer gun kid gets a lift down from Taunton - you and i will be having to get the wheelbarrow out.
Celtic Son - didnt come back yet re the wrist action - i imagine hes busy changing his grip

Sorry grim you just had a short run deducted - the cricketer should know better - naughty lad - Hes very much in the celtic mould - trying to slip a quicky in

THANKS BLOATER.

Didds ive had a few singles and a ew trixie for your perusal (big word for me)

3 20 kiwi bay
5 00 calzagi
5 20 cornus.


Hard work today fella much easier with the lazer gun at taunton, il lay on the devils dyke with it tomoro in my camo gear.

Be lucky all with your selections.

Guiness - we have sent well written "pleads" from the Bookmaker Associations to the GC to ask them to reverse their decision on allowing these non-standard place terms. We fully explained the implications, even using their own slogans ("Free and Fair") etc. They are not even remotely interested I'm afraid.

Asking them to intervene because some bookmakers offer uncompetitive odds I dont even agree with, let alone the GC.

I know that wasnot...



And excuse my own little bit of cynicism...

A letter coming from me.Be good if a few others do also.

Complained to ASA about the 365 ad.The decision as expected was that the ad would not be stopped but that now 365 will offer these free bets and concessions to all punters.What ofcourse they will do is offer the concession but to a max of £1-50p.Still its worth complaining if enough did it things might change.

betfair sharp minds? more like SIMPLE minds.

take a second, have a look, bit sad aint it?

go for a walk in the park, enjoy the sunshine feed the ducks, anything but carry on and on with this load of drivel

If its such drivel Baz why waste your time reading it .Then waste even more time posting on it.

...and you call us the stupid ones!!!!!!!!

he gotta get some thoughts for his newspaper column somewhere

Just fed the duck, as recommended by Barry.
I know it's wrong to keep just one, but his mate got carried off by the fox and he does get on very well with the chickens. I guess it's company for him.
I can't see why Barry should argue against the premise / fact, that the off-course corporations have manipulated the on-course market for thirty years, and this GN is just another example of that.
btw. is there anybody left that thinks contacting the GC for help is anything but a complete waste of time and effort.

Do you bookies not think Oppenheimer bring your good name into disrepute by taking advantage of less informed punters with shockingly bad odds out of eyesight of his competitors then?

eg. Offshore Account 9/2 - 8/1 in the ring and every other runner at at least 1/3 odds less than the ring?

This carnt be yo yo, hes never lost more than 7k at brighton so he bellows, im at newmkt tomoro, wont say ** all to the real barry dennis hel think im nuts.

It is him Grim.

Well it must be if you say so then paddy.

You at newmkt tomoro paddy?

Im confused tho yo yo you claimed yesterday that you have never lost more than 7k at brighton yet you laid misaros ex owner 4k at 11/2? adds up to more than 7k unless ive lost my mind again.

Spoke to eddie t saturday he reakons he only reads not posts??

Just fed my duck as well.

He dont like oranges.

The Grimster thats paying out more than 7K but not necessarily losing more than 7K.
If your laying 4K @ 11/2 youd want a fair chunk in the field book or chap @ side of yer /machine going 13/2

geoff. correct.

But our friend barry here claimed that no one had won more than 7k off him?

Anyway that was a long time ago, who cares anyway!!

Im in the brown stuff today but buregurra, is going to repair todays damage in the 6 55 bless it.

diddles 13 Apr 08:14


grim Dunraven storm looks useful @ exeter - cos as u know i do like that Cue Card form. He also beat a very handy one at ascot 1st time up. trouble is he has to give kings mule a few llb.But if someone goes 2s ill snap their hands off




Well done didds, Cornus has put me back in front ,about to streak ahead at 6 .55, then ive a date with a t bone and a bottle of red.

Well done . . . again.

Watch Muhammed Ali in the 6.25 raced like a horse with a fair bit of ability on last 2 runs but dropped in a hot maiden for Limerick so probably hcap route next time up.

cheers grim keep the bat straight my son - you will make a double century - if it slips down -- ill put some gab up mate

Ok lets get Grimster to a double century -- who want s to argue the Cue Card form V Dunguib as a potential champion ? enjoy your steak and bullsblood sandwich grim - ill keep the score ticking over

Will do geoff cheers.

Never put in race but ran a stormer in 3rd but the cats well & truly out the bag

FECK IT, GET EM GOING DIDDLES I WANT LARAS RECORD.

Opps shouting sorry.

Got to go going to have a look through newmkt card tomoro,before i go out, more i guess the more i get rgt.

Well thats newmkt done then!! pocket tightly shut me thinks, never know when a dog might bark tho.

If nowt changes looks like a bigger perm p pot than kevin keegans.

Fair play to the Racing Football outlook for leading ( half page ) with this on their letters page ...

"NATIONAL SP`S HIT PART TIME PUNTERS HARD" ... not going to type it all but you know the gist

The RFO response to the letter :

"The 155 % overround was an own goal for racing on the sports biggest day of the year .

Many of those yet to be converted are convinced you can`t win on the horses and saturdays
events will have done nothing to change their minds ."

Refreshing considering they rely on industry advertising so heavily ...

bravo RFO !

Thanks lux.

il go buy one,hats off to them.

grim just go get your 2lb meatcake im doing the vbest i can ---fending off**s right left and in the googles

Over to you night watchman.

If that irish is ugly or the even crazier lambeth walk invade this thread, can you have them ejected please.

All yours mr d.

no worries im struggling as ive been scampering about all day - and my the lads are comming over with the stun gun spoils- dont worry just get your steak down u will require plenty of calories to walk the course tomorrow.

why dosnt someone come and talk to me I have a very interesting horse tomorrow

it seems quite a few people were upset with the way the big boys strapped up joe public

while i was eway stealing today i asked a willys manager how many customers took early prices on the national he said approx 60% - i then asked him if they lost money - he said no - so where they get this 10 million hammering story from

im struggling here it like a sticky wicket

can i bowl a few bouncers at grimmy please ?

lambeth i have instructions regarding you

im the night watchman

are you and grimster - not mates

he aint got no mates ,, he lives in a bedsit..in the rough bit with all the eastern bloc bods,, shame really, but thats what the laddies compulsion has done to him.

lambeth u are a right pringle - im only posting this to keep grim in the crease. It's very easy to throw sloppy mud about - Be careful cos when you throw **e around -it normally gets caught under your fingernails- you will end up doing the Turkey trot rather than the Lambeth walk. now oscar Foxtrot YOU TURKEY

Eh Up nervous ninety- what was the name of the cricket umpire who hopped from leg to leg when the cricket score was 111 ?

David shepherd.

Up early after fresh newmkt worms diddles,nice but hard card, placepot today i think, are there any ew steals today? got dozen plus shops in newmkt to plunder.

while i was eway stealing today i asked a willys manager how many customers took early prices on the national he said approx 60% - i then asked him if they lost money - he said no - so where they get this 10 million hammering story from!



diddles,



Good morning. I don't work for that firm, ( early price takers slightly higher), but can confirm on a percentage basis we just about got out! (at my shop ;) )

But of course the McCoy factor and 20/1, 22/1 are never going to be good in a big race! Having said that alot of unplaced horses were very heavilly backed! ;)

hal ;)

Good morning The Grimster...




let battle commence ! :)

Its already commenced hal, got all the family writeing out straight line placepots for me, none of this perming nonsense!! I want more tickets on the ones i fancy. laddies cashiers going to be a busy girl come 9 !! 250 straight lines at newmkt.

Il be easy to spot at newmkt il be the one with the big bulge in my trousers, and for once it wont be my todger.

:D ,




Good luck with your venture!

Btw, see my other thread... ;)

good luck Grim - hit a kin six and come in your time is up

I think the 1st at beverley is very interesting and will be an easy puzzle once our richard has spoken.
I have a snippet on the Gowran Bumper but it's like trying to pick the right minnow out of the pond -

As for newmarket - good luck - rather you than me?

I made the SP place overround 134.7%.
So the Off Course won on that as well.