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he was the king when he was a jumps trainer- when he had his first National winner - it paid for ballydoyle
Judging by what happened at Wetherby last week Ewart is the daddy
sir mark doesnt land gambles because there so short already, with hes previous history and formlines of 000- and stepping up in trip they will be priced up stupidly short hence it cant really be hammered in. Not saying they wont win but they will be 5/2 into 6/4, not 10/1 into 2/1
Ok who knows a stable that have never landed a gamble ?-- excluding the ones that have never had a winner? Thats a tough question
Sometimes gambles dont come from stable or owners money- often its the cute ones
I doubt Godolphin have landed any gambles as Bin Suroor wouldn`t know a thoroughbred from a shire horse.
i think the skeik has enough - i just cant imagine him trootting down to ladbrokes like we do
Yeah Diddles so I hear, definitely well placed money going down, well worth watching.
Venetia Williams horses never win unbacked - but i assure you she does not back horses-- sometimes its the staff or their contacts.Head Lads are the main punters IMO
HR Cecil........Moose Moran 2:50 Ponte tomorrow....get on now.......will be 6/4 in the morning !!!!
the bad boy trains them Curtis cleans their hoofs and polishes the tack
PMSL @ William Muir. He has certainly been responsible for some massive gambles when they have left him.
I was talking about Rebecca :D
There's some sharp minds behind that stable imo.
Blockley wasn't bad to land gambles, same bracket as Wigham perhaps.
There's some sharp minds behind that stable imo.
Blockley wasn't bad to land gambles, same bracket as Wigham perhaps.
the settler good call - his horses were rattling good today
has to be Howard Johnson, no matter how much he loses at the races on a saturday, he gets it all back on the monday after a dodgy robbery of his 'life savings' which he keeps in the house. Now I know what the J in J.Howard Johnson stands for...Jackanory
Just had a word for it from a very well informed friend of mine
diddles 12 Apr 22:42
the bad boy trains them Curtis cleans their hoofs and polishes the tack
The bad boy is too fat to bend down..
the bad boy trains them Curtis cleans their hoofs and polishes the tack
The bad boy is too fat to bend down..
if i had to pick another trainer Rebecca Curtis would be top 5. Women are straighter than Male trainers IMO
her old man has had some bookmakers cash from time to time Jack Ramsden - mind you he did have help from his jockey
Hen won 2 polos and a banana once, in a raffle...
yes hen and terry - now that was some jockey - he could have a large bottle of Brandy 40 fags and still win the gold cup
David bridgewater is he in the never gets a winner list
Does anyone remember Ben Wise now he could have a tilt - he was better than Charlie Moore at it - And the Captain
Normally when the coups are going to be landed, first time blinkers or visor are applied.
Captain Ryan Price - Would always win with his Novice hurdlers on their 2nd run
Dandy Nicholls aint been mentioned from what i can see, none of the short priced rubbish with him, he`d rather wait for another day.
Captain price used to make sure his 1m 4f flat horses were held up at the rear on their debuts over hurdles over sharp tracks. Half fit tailed off
4 weeks later 12-1 -- 7-4 -- Make all with Josh Gifford having his arms pulled out
4 weeks later 12-1 -- 7-4 -- Make all with Josh Gifford having his arms pulled out
anfieldkings 12 Apr 22:27
who was the irish flat trainer that got a double over here last summer
had 2 gambles same day both won
1st was ridiculous 60 odd into 6/4
2nd was 30 into 16 or similar and that won too
this has been doing my head in, i have eventually uncovered it to be w burke.
king keano and surenaga the gambles but it was over the sticks last june at stratford!
who was the irish flat trainer that got a double over here last summer
had 2 gambles same day both won
1st was ridiculous 60 odd into 6/4
2nd was 30 into 16 or similar and that won too
this has been doing my head in, i have eventually uncovered it to be w burke.
king keano and surenaga the gambles but it was over the sticks last june at stratford!
* king keano is the biggest gamble i've seen on here in a carp race
Jenny Candish or he fella Alan Okeeff - now they have pulled some touches
To be honest over the sticks or around the gaffs and the sand on the flat - If a trainer cant set one up for the owner then the yard would be empty
Christ i must be old - am i the only person on here that remembers Ben Wise-- He was a farmer from Polgate near eastbourne - John Jenkins rode for him -- Every meeting at Fontwell in the late 60s - early 70s he would have the winner of the seller always well backed - and he would enter 2 or 3 and win with a different one every time. Always well backed.
At the same time Charlie Moore was also brilliant at landing a touch lingfield Plumpton or Fontwell
People who believe small yards only survive by laying their nags or pulling off coupps are very much mistaken.
a lot of trainer are rich landowners or retired old gits who do it as much as a hobby
making money from buying and selling nags etc
or as a loss leader
making money from buying and selling nags etc
or as a loss leader
It has to be a trainer that can sneak something under the bookies radar, so forget Curley and Martin, the bookies take no chances with either of them.
Ian Williams has been pretty successful this year.
Ian Williams has been pretty successful this year.
Tipthe odds its not the bookies radar its the punters that make markets - Bookmakers only follow the exchanges. I agree Curly and martin do get plenty of attention from all -- I think the stables betting habbits could be an interesting subject.
Some go early some go late- Take Alan Kings Bumper winners - they are always backed very late and he often puts Hutch up on the best one
Some go early some go late- Take Alan Kings Bumper winners - they are always backed very late and he often puts Hutch up on the best one
Peter Bowen , no doubt. kep my faith in him on friday at aintree...had a £25 ew double on tuesday last week
Always Waining 50/1 and big time billy at sp...it won at 28s
best bet of my life, and rolling on next year
Peter Bowen ..i love you lol
Always Waining 50/1 and big time billy at sp...it won at 28s
best bet of my life, and rolling on next year
Peter Bowen ..i love you lol
C F Wall.... when market speaks
M Wigham... Market tells you on his runners .Most drift,those few that attract money are ready for puling a gamble off
M Wigham... Market tells you on his runners .Most drift,those few that attract money are ready for puling a gamble off
After some consideration I would have to say that Curley is the man who seems to get it right most often when the cash is down.
Sad times for Charlotte and Ronnie at the moment.
This is how to do it ....
Sunday November 08 2009
B ARNEY stung the bookmakers again last Saturday. The gambler/bookmaker-turned-trainer won a relative fortune and revels in telling you how he did it in his signature Ulster lilt.
But enough about Barney O'Hare's treble at Naas -- what of Barney Curley's winner at Ascot?
Though his son Michael is the registered trainer, O'Hare Snr is very heavily involved. "People say that I'm training the horses but I tell them: 'I'm training the trainer'. And I tell you something: He's going to the top."
The duo's hat-trick at Naas last Saturday was a phenomenal achievement and their minor gripe that it did not garner many plaudits in the media is understandable. Paul Carberry's failure to pass a breathalyser test commanded more headlines, yet little was made of a trainer with only one previous winner to his name scoring a treble.
Not merely a treble -- but three winners from three runners. Consider that two of them had not even run this season and the bottomless conditions at Naas and you get the picture: little wonder other trainers were flabbergasted.
"Homer Scott said to me 'it's hard enough to get three runners to the track, not to mind three winners'," Barney recalls. "Tom Taaffe was like a child after racing, he was so excited by what we'd done. Ted Walsh said to me: 'Ye took the cake, the candles and the icing with ye too!'"
While Barney's face is familiar to many a racegoer due to his bookies' pitch at the track and his involvement in Bar One Racing, very little was known of Michael. He admits that, even last Saturday, fellow trainers were shaking his hand not only to extend congratulations but to introduce themselves.
He is also a more reserved individual than his father, judging by the conversation we enjoyed over the breakfast table at their Castlebellingham stables. Between the three of us, owner Eugene Kavanagh and two farriers, Charlie and Jimmy, there was no shortage of takers when the rashers were passed around -- or conversation. But Michael lets the horses talk for him.
The Newry native assumed the reins after Daniel Barry and John Larkin had initially enjoyed stints training from Barney's stables, nestled close to the Irish Sea. Both Barry and Larkin saddled winners in the familiar colours of Barney's wife Tracey, but one day the millionaire bookmaker arrived upon a moment of clarity in the sobering surrounds of Sedgefield racecourse.
"Michael was assistant trainer at the time," he recalls. "We'd just put a lovely concrete base in the yard at that point, to put in another 25 stables. There we were after racing, the two of us, sitting on the steps, and the two horses that day had run really badly.
"I said, 'son, I tell you what we'll do: we'll not build any boxes for more horses -- we'll just get rid of the ***** that we have. I think we've enough boxes'. The boxes were never built."
Michael O'Hare took over from Larkin last year as a restricted trainer and his first winner, as
befits the brash ambition of the family, was at the Punchestown festival last April. Montana Slim, sent off at 25/1, took care of his 24 rivals by 11 lengths -- but Barney reveals that Montana Slim was supposed to form only half of what would have been one of the greatest coups in the annals of Irish racing.
"What's a big plus for Michael now is that he's dealing with second- and third-season horses that are ready to roll. We went for one of the biggest touches of all time last year with Montana Slim at Punchestown and Bale O'Shea at Kelso. Michael and myself were in Kelso. I was standing in the Kelso grooms' room and never was I so confident to be in the stand after Montana had won. I said to myself 'how far will Bale O'Shea win?'
"I was so disappointed, so stung, when he came second: I thought he'd bolt up. In hindsight, he was just a weak horse. He's a monster now, though, in comparison."
Both horses played their part on Saturday. The O'Hares' first victory was to get their three entries declared on the one card, which is far easier said than done nowadays given the constraints of the balloting system.
Early on Saturday morning, the elder O'Hare paced around the yard to ensure all was well with the runners, followed soon afterwards by his son, who remarkably only turned 25 on Friday. For whatever reason, Barney felt an unusual calm. "I just said to Michael: 'Son, I don't even care if I back them. We're going to enjoy this day'."
Barney secured the companionship for the day of Tommy Dollard, one of his main men in Bar One's Dundalk headquarters, even though the latter was scheduled to work. (It is one thing a friend pleading with you to take the day off, quite another the owner of the company itself.)
As they set off for Naas, Barney began to rummage in his pocket. "I'd a wee plastic bag of money in it -- I don't even know how it got there -- and there was a couple of grand in it. I gave it to Tommy and I said 'nobody'll be backing these horses at the racetrack so you'll have it to yourself. You can have a couple of grand on the three of them as you like'.
"I told him mid-way through racing to have a 200 each-way treble. As it happens, he ended up putting the whole lot of the other 1,600 on Montana Slim, because he adores that horse, and a bulk of the winnings on Bale O'Shea."
By the time the field was down at the tape for the closing bumper, Sweet Shock had been gambled into 3/1 favourite, primarily due to bookmakers attempting to restrict losses, having already laid the first two legs of the treble. Barney had earlier been talking to Joe Murphy, whose sole representative on the card had long since run.
However, the Fethard trainer had decided to hang around for the last race. It was Murphy who suggested to Barney that he should fork out 120,000 for Sweet Shock as a yearling, the fee so high because the horse is a half-brother to Sweet Wake.
Sweet Shock certainly was not aptly-named with a view to the panic that engulfed Paddy Power's on-course shop: after his five-length success, they calculated that Dollard's each-way treble alone cost them 92,570.
Murphy, meanwhile, was stunned and thrilled in equal measure. "Michael, I can't get over how easy your horses settled today," he said to the fledgling trainer -- an endorsement of O'Hare's commitment to using slow work predominantly to train his horses.
For those on-course bookmakers who accepted Dollard's business, the shock was not so sweet either. Many of them have ostracised Barney O'Hare and effected an embargo on his pitch because of his decision to stand at Dundalk despite an ongoing dispute between the Irish National Bookmakers' Association and the racetrack.
When Dollard went to collect off one layer, he was apologetic. "I'm sorry sir, I don't have that much in the satchel; will a cheque do?" The easy-going Dollard had no objection so the bookmaker asked him: "Who should I make it out to?"
"Barney O'Hare."
By Dollard's account, the bookmaker might just as well have swallowed a lemon whole. Barney admits that Saturday "was quite a good day" in a gambling sense, but is more truthful about its emotional value. "It was special, one-in-a-million stuff really."
One of Ireland's youngest trainers -- who has four paying owners other than his mother -- aspires to becoming a fully licensed one as soon as he can. He is learning every day, gave up on drink nearly four years ago and now dedicates himself to his girlfriend, children and 21 horses. Over time, much more will be known of Michael O'Hare.
He will not get ahead of himself either. Barney opted to celebrate Saturday's miracle by having a couple of jars in Eugene Kavanagh's Glasnevin pub, where apparently they sell more Guinness per square floor yard than anywhere in Ireland. From the punter's graveyard to The Gravedigger's, with a treble in between.
Earlier last week, as it was beginning to sink in, a fax came through to Bar One's Dundalk headquarters.
To Barney O'Hare, Well done to you and your family on your impressive treble in Naas on Saturday. Don't do it too often!
Yours sincerely,
Willie and Jackie Mullins
He is talking about getting it framed.
Sunday Independent
good read and good luck to all who were on.
Sunday November 08 2009
B ARNEY stung the bookmakers again last Saturday. The gambler/bookmaker-turned-trainer won a relative fortune and revels in telling you how he did it in his signature Ulster lilt.
But enough about Barney O'Hare's treble at Naas -- what of Barney Curley's winner at Ascot?
Though his son Michael is the registered trainer, O'Hare Snr is very heavily involved. "People say that I'm training the horses but I tell them: 'I'm training the trainer'. And I tell you something: He's going to the top."
The duo's hat-trick at Naas last Saturday was a phenomenal achievement and their minor gripe that it did not garner many plaudits in the media is understandable. Paul Carberry's failure to pass a breathalyser test commanded more headlines, yet little was made of a trainer with only one previous winner to his name scoring a treble.
Not merely a treble -- but three winners from three runners. Consider that two of them had not even run this season and the bottomless conditions at Naas and you get the picture: little wonder other trainers were flabbergasted.
"Homer Scott said to me 'it's hard enough to get three runners to the track, not to mind three winners'," Barney recalls. "Tom Taaffe was like a child after racing, he was so excited by what we'd done. Ted Walsh said to me: 'Ye took the cake, the candles and the icing with ye too!'"
While Barney's face is familiar to many a racegoer due to his bookies' pitch at the track and his involvement in Bar One Racing, very little was known of Michael. He admits that, even last Saturday, fellow trainers were shaking his hand not only to extend congratulations but to introduce themselves.
He is also a more reserved individual than his father, judging by the conversation we enjoyed over the breakfast table at their Castlebellingham stables. Between the three of us, owner Eugene Kavanagh and two farriers, Charlie and Jimmy, there was no shortage of takers when the rashers were passed around -- or conversation. But Michael lets the horses talk for him.
The Newry native assumed the reins after Daniel Barry and John Larkin had initially enjoyed stints training from Barney's stables, nestled close to the Irish Sea. Both Barry and Larkin saddled winners in the familiar colours of Barney's wife Tracey, but one day the millionaire bookmaker arrived upon a moment of clarity in the sobering surrounds of Sedgefield racecourse.
"Michael was assistant trainer at the time," he recalls. "We'd just put a lovely concrete base in the yard at that point, to put in another 25 stables. There we were after racing, the two of us, sitting on the steps, and the two horses that day had run really badly.
"I said, 'son, I tell you what we'll do: we'll not build any boxes for more horses -- we'll just get rid of the ***** that we have. I think we've enough boxes'. The boxes were never built."
Michael O'Hare took over from Larkin last year as a restricted trainer and his first winner, as
befits the brash ambition of the family, was at the Punchestown festival last April. Montana Slim, sent off at 25/1, took care of his 24 rivals by 11 lengths -- but Barney reveals that Montana Slim was supposed to form only half of what would have been one of the greatest coups in the annals of Irish racing.
"What's a big plus for Michael now is that he's dealing with second- and third-season horses that are ready to roll. We went for one of the biggest touches of all time last year with Montana Slim at Punchestown and Bale O'Shea at Kelso. Michael and myself were in Kelso. I was standing in the Kelso grooms' room and never was I so confident to be in the stand after Montana had won. I said to myself 'how far will Bale O'Shea win?'
"I was so disappointed, so stung, when he came second: I thought he'd bolt up. In hindsight, he was just a weak horse. He's a monster now, though, in comparison."
Both horses played their part on Saturday. The O'Hares' first victory was to get their three entries declared on the one card, which is far easier said than done nowadays given the constraints of the balloting system.
Early on Saturday morning, the elder O'Hare paced around the yard to ensure all was well with the runners, followed soon afterwards by his son, who remarkably only turned 25 on Friday. For whatever reason, Barney felt an unusual calm. "I just said to Michael: 'Son, I don't even care if I back them. We're going to enjoy this day'."
Barney secured the companionship for the day of Tommy Dollard, one of his main men in Bar One's Dundalk headquarters, even though the latter was scheduled to work. (It is one thing a friend pleading with you to take the day off, quite another the owner of the company itself.)
As they set off for Naas, Barney began to rummage in his pocket. "I'd a wee plastic bag of money in it -- I don't even know how it got there -- and there was a couple of grand in it. I gave it to Tommy and I said 'nobody'll be backing these horses at the racetrack so you'll have it to yourself. You can have a couple of grand on the three of them as you like'.
"I told him mid-way through racing to have a 200 each-way treble. As it happens, he ended up putting the whole lot of the other 1,600 on Montana Slim, because he adores that horse, and a bulk of the winnings on Bale O'Shea."
By the time the field was down at the tape for the closing bumper, Sweet Shock had been gambled into 3/1 favourite, primarily due to bookmakers attempting to restrict losses, having already laid the first two legs of the treble. Barney had earlier been talking to Joe Murphy, whose sole representative on the card had long since run.
However, the Fethard trainer had decided to hang around for the last race. It was Murphy who suggested to Barney that he should fork out 120,000 for Sweet Shock as a yearling, the fee so high because the horse is a half-brother to Sweet Wake.
Sweet Shock certainly was not aptly-named with a view to the panic that engulfed Paddy Power's on-course shop: after his five-length success, they calculated that Dollard's each-way treble alone cost them 92,570.
Murphy, meanwhile, was stunned and thrilled in equal measure. "Michael, I can't get over how easy your horses settled today," he said to the fledgling trainer -- an endorsement of O'Hare's commitment to using slow work predominantly to train his horses.
For those on-course bookmakers who accepted Dollard's business, the shock was not so sweet either. Many of them have ostracised Barney O'Hare and effected an embargo on his pitch because of his decision to stand at Dundalk despite an ongoing dispute between the Irish National Bookmakers' Association and the racetrack.
When Dollard went to collect off one layer, he was apologetic. "I'm sorry sir, I don't have that much in the satchel; will a cheque do?" The easy-going Dollard had no objection so the bookmaker asked him: "Who should I make it out to?"
"Barney O'Hare."
By Dollard's account, the bookmaker might just as well have swallowed a lemon whole. Barney admits that Saturday "was quite a good day" in a gambling sense, but is more truthful about its emotional value. "It was special, one-in-a-million stuff really."
One of Ireland's youngest trainers -- who has four paying owners other than his mother -- aspires to becoming a fully licensed one as soon as he can. He is learning every day, gave up on drink nearly four years ago and now dedicates himself to his girlfriend, children and 21 horses. Over time, much more will be known of Michael O'Hare.
He will not get ahead of himself either. Barney opted to celebrate Saturday's miracle by having a couple of jars in Eugene Kavanagh's Glasnevin pub, where apparently they sell more Guinness per square floor yard than anywhere in Ireland. From the punter's graveyard to The Gravedigger's, with a treble in between.
Earlier last week, as it was beginning to sink in, a fax came through to Bar One's Dundalk headquarters.
To Barney O'Hare, Well done to you and your family on your impressive treble in Naas on Saturday. Don't do it too often!
Yours sincerely,
Willie and Jackie Mullins
He is talking about getting it framed.
Sunday Independent
good read and good luck to all who were on.
Ian Williams for me.
Stil kicking myself for not having more on that one at Bangor after his other gamble that day won.
Stil kicking myself for not having more on that one at Bangor after his other gamble that day won.
REG AKEHURST by a country mile,when THEY gambled ,THEY NEVER got beat.
CHARLIE MOORE was rubbish,plenty of theirs got beat ,even though Gary rode them.
CHARLIE MOORE was rubbish,plenty of theirs got beat ,even though Gary rode them.
FRANK RA
Akehursts's hurdlers/Smith Eccles riding ... my mate used to swear by that combo.
From a pocket point of view my personal favourite was Toby Balding ... I remember Neblin being bought over from Ireland with a lower Hurdle rating over here than there ... It was aimed at the Tote Gold Trophy at Newbury ... A week before that race it ran at Sandown and finished a 'running on 3rd or 4th ' ;-) ... A week later TB put Stan Moore up and the rest was history,beat Mrs Muck,and I collected,I had £50 E/W at 10/1 which was a lot for me back then ... a very pleasing outcome
Akehursts's hurdlers/Smith Eccles riding ... my mate used to swear by that combo.
From a pocket point of view my personal favourite was Toby Balding ... I remember Neblin being bought over from Ireland with a lower Hurdle rating over here than there ... It was aimed at the Tote Gold Trophy at Newbury ... A week before that race it ran at Sandown and finished a 'running on 3rd or 4th ' ;-) ... A week later TB put Stan Moore up and the rest was history,beat Mrs Muck,and I collected,I had £50 E/W at 10/1 which was a lot for me back then ... a very pleasing outcome
when cecils are backed they dont leave the money behind. im not saying henry himself backs them but a few of his seem to be backed alot and win
Ian Williams like to land a good gamble for the owners and stable staff
Henry Candy often lands one at a price, but they are not unbacked! Look out for his horses when the price begins to fall in the coming months.
Alan Bailey and Hughie Morrison don't often leave money behind when going for a touch.
3 in one day last week at Folkestone by John Jenkins wasn't bad .
the settler 12 Apr 22:40
HR Cecil........Moose Moran 2:50 Ponte tomorrow....get on now.......will be 6/4 in the morning !!!
GOOD CALL EH LADS !!!!!
HR Cecil........Moose Moran 2:50 Ponte tomorrow....get on now.......will be 6/4 in the morning !!!
GOOD CALL EH LADS !!!!!
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