yes, partly pocket talking, BUT...id like to know the statistics over say, the past 2 years when it comes to virtual certainties ie heavy odds on horses, getting beat, quite often not even placing... i would hazard a guess than the owners and trainers of small yeards particularly, who cant make ends meet witht he paltry prizemoney on offer, get their dosh by laying such horses on betfair..pretty simple to do...in fact from now on every time a certainty gets beat im going to cry **....this has never happened before btw...