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09 Apr 10
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Betfair no longer able to show races from thier tracks. Must be desperate to get more subscribers imo. At the same time the edgeboss link wiped out. Give them 6 months imo. G.O.N.E.
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Sorry facts this is the real world. ?s require envelopes :D
They are an absolute shower anyway the sooner they go the better, will at least save me £20 a month.
wee eck 09 Apr 09:15
They are an absolute shower anyway the sooner they go the better, will at least save me £20 a month.
Yeah great attitude, i hope ATR go bust too so we can have fantastic coverage from C4 and BBC2 every day!
They are an absolute shower anyway the sooner they go the better, will at least save me £20 a month.
Yeah great attitude, i hope ATR go bust too so we can have fantastic coverage from C4 and BBC2 every day!
''They are an absolute shower anyway the sooner they go the better, will at least save me £20 a month''
if you feel like that, wee eck, take control of your life and cancel subscription instead of waiting for someone else to save you £20 a month. simple.
if you feel like that, wee eck, take control of your life and cancel subscription instead of waiting for someone else to save you £20 a month. simple.
they are charging far too much money.
I refuse to pay it and i watch racing from home everyday.
Granted im tighter than a nun's but if i dont think its value for money i really dont know who does
I refuse to pay it and i watch racing from home everyday.
Granted im tighter than a nun's but if i dont think its value for money i really dont know who does
Yes, would be great stood around in the bookies to watch racing. No more replays.
unbelievable that some people want them to fold.
Racing Post article stated 40,000 subscribers. That don't sound too shabby to me.
unbelievable that some people want them to fold.
Racing Post article stated 40,000 subscribers. That don't sound too shabby to me.
geton 09 Apr 09:36
Granted im tighter than a nun's but if i dont think its value for money i really dont know who does
I think it is outstanding value, compared to the £21 I pay to watch attheraces.
It was only £10 a month when part of Setanta, and you got the equivalent of ESPN with it. You now get less for more money, I think that's what is the grating issue with many people.
Clearly Setanta were not charging anything like enough per month. That's why they went bust.
almost too obvious that Muqbil but clearly not obvious enough for some
if you didnt pay for it...be on atr free.....as it use to be........same as espn football......they all see you coming.
how are u paying 21 for ATR?
u mean your paying 21 for ATR and every other free channel on sky?
u mean your paying 21 for ATR and every other free channel on sky?
'u mean your paying 21 for ATR and every other free channel on sky?'
Yeah, none of which i ever watch.
Yeah, none of which i ever watch.
geton, I couldn't give a rats ass about 300 chanells of sh1t that I get free. Other than for racing, I could do without sky, period. I am forced to pay £21 to get atr, to watch racing I have no choice.
RUK are overcharging. If it was half that I'd pay up but why should I pay the £10 supposedly for their website when I can get better elsewhere and don't want it. I can watch a lot of their racing on terrestrial or other sources.
RUK obviously hooked a few mugs with their "Ruby treble at Cheltenham" offer.
They now have a year's subscription from each of them.
All their adverts are for bookies (ATR free because of adverts) and bookies probably not happy that folk could watch RUK on Betfair instead of having to bet with them to watch it for "free".
The bookies put the Sporting Life out of business by withdrawing their advertising and their mouthpieces like RUK and the Racing Post are well aware of how much they depend on bookies advertising to keep going.
After all if RUK didn't have all that bookie advertising revenue, they would probably need to charge about £20 per month for their service.
Oh wait . . . .
They now have a year's subscription from each of them.
All their adverts are for bookies (ATR free because of adverts) and bookies probably not happy that folk could watch RUK on Betfair instead of having to bet with them to watch it for "free".
The bookies put the Sporting Life out of business by withdrawing their advertising and their mouthpieces like RUK and the Racing Post are well aware of how much they depend on bookies advertising to keep going.
After all if RUK didn't have all that bookie advertising revenue, they would probably need to charge about £20 per month for their service.
Oh wait . . . .
RUK reportedly say that they have more subscribers now than when they originally launched. The worldwide global recession has had no effect on them at all. As Fabricus said its only the cost of a nice bottle of wine anyway.
If £20 a month is a problem then you shouldnt be betting anyway. As for the skint merchants who have to watch on here I can hardly bring myself to denigrate them.
If you cant afford something then get a better paid job. It aint rocket science ;)
If £20 a month is a problem then you shouldnt be betting anyway. As for the skint merchants who have to watch on here I can hardly bring myself to denigrate them.
If you cant afford something then get a better paid job. It aint rocket science ;)
Correction Fat Al and Ramsdens lawyers did for the Sporting Lives
I dont think so. RUK is clearly aimed at the punter who dont need to concern himself about a p0xy score. As Muqbil sed its a quality service and you have 2 pay for it.
I realise that Duncan, but thank you for your condescending post nonetheless.
Muqbil 09 Apr 09:54
Clearly Setanta were not charging anything like enough per month. That's why they went bust.
Setanta were doing fine until they overpaid for sh1tty premier league football. Plenty of people on here were delighted to see them go bust, just as some will be pleased to see RUK go. They'll basically be happy when all we have to see on telly is football and the boat race.
Clearly Setanta were not charging anything like enough per month. That's why they went bust.
Setanta were doing fine until they overpaid for sh1tty premier league football. Plenty of people on here were delighted to see them go bust, just as some will be pleased to see RUK go. They'll basically be happy when all we have to see on telly is football and the boat race.
if they had racing every day...then ok .....but they often have blank days.........no irish either.
Do you think that Chapman does any rehearsing for his stint in the booth. ANSWER NO
Well the likes of yifter and Lord Snooty probably do a day's work on their lines and it shows. All that off the cuff witty stuff dont just happen;) I remind you TIME=MONEY
Well the likes of yifter and Lord Snooty probably do a day's work on their lines and it shows. All that off the cuff witty stuff dont just happen;) I remind you TIME=MONEY
RUK people's IR channel and one in the eye for the monopoly merchants, keep going lads ;)
Betfair need to properly team up with them and aquire the 30 courses' rights issues just like the bookies own the s hit courses and Ascot
fook it lets have an all out bookie bashing war...man the guns
:p
Betfair need to properly team up with them and aquire the 30 courses' rights issues just like the bookies own the s hit courses and Ascot
fook it lets have an all out bookie bashing war...man the guns
:p
Racing UK have clearly overvalued their product. £20 per month for half of the coverage is clearly too much for the casual racing fan. Can you imagine Sky having the cheek to charge £20 a month for their sports package and then telling you that half the week you wont be able to watch half the premiership games because they are on another channel. I think it goes to show how out of touch the racing industry and in particular RUK are.
I would imagine one of the big problems they're going to encounter is that everybody who wants to pay to watch racing has already done so. It's not like there's a wide uncaptured market of people who want to pay to watch horses race against each other.
It's hard to imagine any non-gambler suddenly gaining a huge interest in the sport. I used to watch occasionally when it was free (with something else I had, probably NASN) but £20 is ludicrous
It's hard to imagine any non-gambler suddenly gaining a huge interest in the sport. I used to watch occasionally when it was free (with something else I had, probably NASN) but £20 is ludicrous
also we (our choice) have to pay extra 15 nicker at times for extra boxing shows,if i am not going to that show i am more than willing to pay it(even for amir khan)
From next season ESPN will be showing something like 20 games a season, ans even then they will be rthe dross sky doesnt want. Hardly the same thing now is it!
The many posters on here who said RUK wouldn't last 6 months went it first appeared on our screens, and then went through the same sorry arguments when they went as a stand alone channel, are now left with two options. 1) Say "oops I was completely wrong there", or 2) say "I meant six months from now" every six months. Perhaps unsurprisingly most have chosen the latter. It reminds me of betting with people at school who lose and then say "double or quits" until you reach a point where they owe you several million pounds and you end up saying "tell you what, don't worry about it".
The users of RUK must fall into 2 camps, the ones who just watch the race irrespective of how far behind live it is and those that want to bet IR.
For the former there are plenty of ways and means to see these pics and the latter...good grief if ATR offered a 20 quid subs service to speed up their picks think of how many sis etc subs would stop
For the former there are plenty of ways and means to see these pics and the latter...good grief if ATR offered a 20 quid subs service to speed up their picks think of how many sis etc subs would stop
the point of this thread was about betfair showing streaming ?.i agree with most about £20 fall if your a gambler .but if your on your laptop pc at work why change the goalposts....
when Setanta first bid on Scottish football, both Celtic and Rangers voted to refuse the deal on the grounds that Setanta didn't have any money and they were only scraping by from month to month.
The Old Firm were outvoted by the rest of the Scottish teams and had to accept the deal.
There were football fans up there who had paid for Setanta because Setanta had told them it was not going to be available in pubs and clubs, but once they had their residential take up, Setanta set about selling their wares to pubs and clubs.
The company probably knew that they were going to lose a lot of their residential business the following year so they had to look for other avenues of income.
Setanta then targetted the much larger English market and bid money that it didn't have for EPL matches and then bid millions more for England international matches.
They were probably hoping that a massive monthly uptake in subscribers in England would help finance their costs.
Unfortunately there was much less uptake than they had expected with the result that they couldn't meet their regular payments to either the Scottish or the English leagues and subsequently went bust.
The point of this novel is to show that it was the overpriced football that bust Setanta and it had nothing to do with them offering the bookie subsidised RUK for a reasonable price.
(if the bookies had any sense they would realise that a free RUK would be watched by lots more people and folk who watch racing tend to bet on racing)
The Old Firm were outvoted by the rest of the Scottish teams and had to accept the deal.
There were football fans up there who had paid for Setanta because Setanta had told them it was not going to be available in pubs and clubs, but once they had their residential take up, Setanta set about selling their wares to pubs and clubs.
The company probably knew that they were going to lose a lot of their residential business the following year so they had to look for other avenues of income.
Setanta then targetted the much larger English market and bid money that it didn't have for EPL matches and then bid millions more for England international matches.
They were probably hoping that a massive monthly uptake in subscribers in England would help finance their costs.
Unfortunately there was much less uptake than they had expected with the result that they couldn't meet their regular payments to either the Scottish or the English leagues and subsequently went bust.
The point of this novel is to show that it was the overpriced football that bust Setanta and it had nothing to do with them offering the bookie subsidised RUK for a reasonable price.
(if the bookies had any sense they would realise that a free RUK would be watched by lots more people and folk who watch racing tend to bet on racing)
Whilst it is on I will pay but if it went skint I would not give a Monkeys, compared to other pay per view channels imo they are very poor value. I will add one other comment come next Noivember I will cancel my subscriptrion unti April, what they put on whilst there is no horseracing imv is total dross.
RUK has the finest pundits. remember all those folks could be pro puntering but they need compensating for loss of earnings. Hence the score a month. Its a no brainer 4 me.
Anyone know how the Life are able to show RUK replays for free, yet the Post charge for them?
I wasn't able to watch Aintree live yesterday as was in meetings, but when I got home I could see every minute of every race gratis, thanks to the Life.
Personally, I'm in work Mon-Fri and when I did have RUK as part of the Setanta package, I'd only watch live RUK racing at weekends, and on weekdays, the replays. For a tenner, inc ESPN and Setanta, that was good value.
£20 a month for the privilege- in my particular case- of watching the non C4 races on a Saturday, and the Sunday races (when more often than not the best racing is in Ireland, and on ATR anyway), is too much. I don't even need the replays any more, thanks to the Life site.
If they were to introduce a weekend package, tailored in my case to the jumps season, but whatever, flat or jumps or both, I'd be interested but not otherwise. A lot of people would come into my category of viewing times and levels, I think.
I wasn't able to watch Aintree live yesterday as was in meetings, but when I got home I could see every minute of every race gratis, thanks to the Life.
Personally, I'm in work Mon-Fri and when I did have RUK as part of the Setanta package, I'd only watch live RUK racing at weekends, and on weekdays, the replays. For a tenner, inc ESPN and Setanta, that was good value.
£20 a month for the privilege- in my particular case- of watching the non C4 races on a Saturday, and the Sunday races (when more often than not the best racing is in Ireland, and on ATR anyway), is too much. I don't even need the replays any more, thanks to the Life site.
If they were to introduce a weekend package, tailored in my case to the jumps season, but whatever, flat or jumps or both, I'd be interested but not otherwise. A lot of people would come into my category of viewing times and levels, I think.
I think the point most people object to is the delay because when first launched RUK was supposed to be in direct competition to the SIS feed with all the premiere tracks and thats why it was £20 a month. ATR is bascally there to feed the compulsive gambler with pretty much dross racing i.e 0-65 or 0-45 on the sand and who's turn is it today. I don't think its a case of too much racing just too much crap racing to be honest.
Cymro 09 Apr 10:42
Personally, I'm in work Mon-Fri
wtf is WORK?
Personally, I'm in work Mon-Fri
wtf is WORK?
Since they got rid of Hughes former agent and Tony Clark's big mate RUK punditry has not improved at all. Surely RUK could get him back on again. Is he still alive tho?
Greaqtb Whyte, the greatest what? Following any one of thoise lads or lassies will put anyone in the workhouse. There is not one imo on a level stake woiuld ever long term show a profit.
Which reminds me of Brendan Behan's great line:
"I'm a drinker with a writing problem...."
"I'm a drinker with a writing problem...."
Racing needs one channel....get the cream of the presenters/commentators, drop the fence sitters and drive the sport forward...
[x] These checkboxes suck 09 Apr 10:45
Cymro 09 Apr 10:42
Personally, I'm in work Mon-Fri
wtf is WORK?
Thats what the rest of us to so the chancellor has the money to pay out on your giro :)
Cymro 09 Apr 10:42
Personally, I'm in work Mon-Fri
wtf is WORK?
Thats what the rest of us to so the chancellor has the money to pay out on your giro :)
The RUK pundits are all professional experts. Do you really believe that they would pay £150 a day 2 some guesser without checking his credentials FFS;)
I could tip more winners in a week than that mob could in a month.
If thats the case wee ek 20 notes a month is chicken dropping innit ;P
What about the thespian Lord Snooty hes worth the admission money alone.
Great whyte are referring to the failed actor who is the son of a member of the old jockey club?
No I am refering to Sir Bob (ATR) Cooper's nephew ;)
Great whyte, sorry I am not familiar with that person. What is his monniker? Anyway I am at the moment slating RUK not ATR they get theirs later.
duncan idaho 09 Apr 10:01
'u mean your paying 21 for ATR and every other free channel on sky?'
Yeah, none of which i ever watch.
Muqbil 09 Apr 10:03
geton, I couldn't give a rats ass about 300 chanells of sh1t that I get free. Other than for racing, I could do without sky, period. I am forced to pay £21 to get atr, to watch racing I have no choice.
Real couple of racing bores
Sure u dont watch the other channels but its not ATR over charging is it
'u mean your paying 21 for ATR and every other free channel on sky?'
Yeah, none of which i ever watch.
Muqbil 09 Apr 10:03
geton, I couldn't give a rats ass about 300 chanells of sh1t that I get free. Other than for racing, I could do without sky, period. I am forced to pay £21 to get atr, to watch racing I have no choice.
Real couple of racing bores
Sure u dont watch the other channels but its not ATR over charging is it
some absolute cobblers on here!!
RUK isnt on betfair because presumably they couldnt agree commercial terms - eg betfair wont pay what RUK want because enough people on here dont use it.
The edgeboss link was a pirate link, so it has been nailed in the way pirate links tend to be - it'll reappear somewhere else no doubt.
RUk are fine, as are WH, Lads, ATR and all the other companies that the moaners on here say are about to go bust.....
RUK isnt on betfair because presumably they couldnt agree commercial terms - eg betfair wont pay what RUK want because enough people on here dont use it.
The edgeboss link was a pirate link, so it has been nailed in the way pirate links tend to be - it'll reappear somewhere else no doubt.
RUk are fine, as are WH, Lads, ATR and all the other companies that the moaners on here say are about to go bust.....
geton 09 Apr 11:05
Sure u dont watch the other channels but its not ATR over charging is it
I wouldn't have the foggiest idea which channels are fta and which are part of my basic package. Nor would I care if they were all switched off tomorrow.
Some might find it hard to believe but the goggle box is total gash. Try reading a few good books or listening to music, the radio. See if you can manage without your tv for a week, a long shot, but give it a go.....
Sure u dont watch the other channels but its not ATR over charging is it
I wouldn't have the foggiest idea which channels are fta and which are part of my basic package. Nor would I care if they were all switched off tomorrow.
Some might find it hard to believe but the goggle box is total gash. Try reading a few good books or listening to music, the radio. See if you can manage without your tv for a week, a long shot, but give it a go.....
Muqbil this may be news to you but I listen to Classic FM for around 6-7 hours dailly a 1st rate programme.
ive cancelled my subscription for a few months, im not interested in flat racing so no point having the channel now, probably be a few more like me.
I do not pay ATR, I do not pay RUK & I do not pay for a Television Licence.
I do not watch racing on BBC or Channel 4, since I do not even wish to have Rishi, Thompson & Jasper Parrot in my Home.
I no longer go racing in the UK.
I still enjoy life though.
I do not watch racing on BBC or Channel 4, since I do not even wish to have Rishi, Thompson & Jasper Parrot in my Home.
I no longer go racing in the UK.
I still enjoy life though.
''duncan idaho 09 Apr 10:01
'u mean your paying 21 for ATR and every other free channel on sky?'
Yeah, none of which i ever watch.
Muqbil 09 Apr 10:03
geton, I couldn't give a rats ass about 300 chanells of sh1t that I get free. Other than for racing, I could do without sky, period. I am forced to pay £21 to get atr, to watch racing I have no choice.
Real couple of racing bores''
fyi geton, at Anfield last night, Sean Locke show Weds and saw friends band Tues. HTH.
'u mean your paying 21 for ATR and every other free channel on sky?'
Yeah, none of which i ever watch.
Muqbil 09 Apr 10:03
geton, I couldn't give a rats ass about 300 chanells of sh1t that I get free. Other than for racing, I could do without sky, period. I am forced to pay £21 to get atr, to watch racing I have no choice.
Real couple of racing bores''
fyi geton, at Anfield last night, Sean Locke show Weds and saw friends band Tues. HTH.
I like R U K and its presenters, but not enough to justify keeping paying £240 a year for it.
With Sky Digital, you get tickets for some free race days. With Virgin Media, you get nothing.
Still seething at their offer to give newbies 12 months free subscription if Ruby won the Big 3 at Cheltenham, whilst giving regular subscribers zero.
So the moment the last race finishes at Aintree tomorrow night, I am cancelling my subscription.
With Sky Digital, you get tickets for some free race days. With Virgin Media, you get nothing.
Still seething at their offer to give newbies 12 months free subscription if Ruby won the Big 3 at Cheltenham, whilst giving regular subscribers zero.
So the moment the last race finishes at Aintree tomorrow night, I am cancelling my subscription.
Gerard summed this fred up imo. We must be due another IR is finished fred as well
anyone know why ruk is not on betfair live video anymore?
Anth,
See 'announcements' and 'service' (top left hand corner).
See 'announcements' and 'service' (top left hand corner).
ruk too mean to show picture
racing for change
get rid of ruk
so more people can enjoy and betting on racing
racing for change
get rid of ruk
so more people can enjoy and betting on racing
I am not paying the £20 simply because as Cymro said earlier ...... the people who work during the week do not get value for money. Many years ago a weekend package was available at a reduced. I am sure if that was to be implemented there would be 000's of additional subscibers.
i believe long term ruk are doing harm to british racing,how can people get to like racing if they cannot even watch it.i suspect that most of their viewers are involved in racing in one form or another but where do the viewrs of the future come from if new people do not come to love the game.
See if you can manage without your tv for a week, a long shot, but give it a go.....
Pleased to say I went without it for 5 years not that long ago, god knows how people listen to music in it's place though, I thought the point was a bit of peace :)
Pleased to say I went without it for 5 years not that long ago, god knows how people listen to music in it's place though, I thought the point was a bit of peace :)
mind you scarecrow i have been saying the same since ruk was born
ruk bad for the future of British horse racing
ruk bad for the future of British horse racing
yes lampus i have noticed that over the years and have seen you be lambasted by the same insular people who are stopping the future racing fan from getting involved in the game because they cannot get access to it without paying,how can you know you like something if you cannot even see it.
scarecrow 09 Apr 12:23
how can people get to like racing if they cannot even watch it.i suspect that most of their viewers are involved in racing in one form or another but where do the viewrs of the future come from if new people do not come to love the game.
Indeed Mr crow. I've got a nephew who really got into racing through the old ATR. Being part of the initial package it didn't cost any extra when it came along, but for that I don't think he would ever have grown to love the sport. To this day his family don't subscribe to RUK because of the extra cost, he himself isn't in a financial position to pay for it himself as he is still at university. The access that ATR initially gave and still do within a cheap package has been fantastic for the sport. RUK is of a high quality but is for people already involved in the sport, they really do little to foster new lovers of the sport. Being a subscription channel makes sure of that.
how can people get to like racing if they cannot even watch it.i suspect that most of their viewers are involved in racing in one form or another but where do the viewrs of the future come from if new people do not come to love the game.
Indeed Mr crow. I've got a nephew who really got into racing through the old ATR. Being part of the initial package it didn't cost any extra when it came along, but for that I don't think he would ever have grown to love the sport. To this day his family don't subscribe to RUK because of the extra cost, he himself isn't in a financial position to pay for it himself as he is still at university. The access that ATR initially gave and still do within a cheap package has been fantastic for the sport. RUK is of a high quality but is for people already involved in the sport, they really do little to foster new lovers of the sport. Being a subscription channel makes sure of that.
^^^ a very good post put much better than i could ever manage but my thoughts are the same.
free from that foreign link but the commentary is some kind of *******jumbo
wee eck = clueless! best channel of the two by 20 lengths hard held and if they were to go (which they wont) where would that leave racing? In the gutter! Grow up pay the fee and be grateful that we can see the best racecourses around thanks to RUK
David_hudds
I am not paying the £20 simply because as Cymro said earlier ...... the people who work during the week do not get value for money. Many years ago a weekend package was available at a reduced. I am sure if that was to be implemented there would be 000's of additional subscibers.
Good point, I'd pay for that but working week means it's not value otherwise, I can get replays elsewhere.
I am not paying the £20 simply because as Cymro said earlier ...... the people who work during the week do not get value for money. Many years ago a weekend package was available at a reduced. I am sure if that was to be implemented there would be 000's of additional subscibers.
Good point, I'd pay for that but working week means it's not value otherwise, I can get replays elsewhere.
Doesn't anyone on here remember when there were no pictures at all, apart from ITV and BBC. No pictures in the bookies either? Good punters could still make the game pay reading the Sporting Life and listening to the commentary on the blower.
They are greedy barstewards. £20 is expensive for a single sport, where they have moderate coverage of the NH racing. It's also too expensive to go racing & they wonder why so few people go.
How can you be serious about betting if you think £20 a month is too much. RUK is great stop complaining
There are many, many people less well off than ourselves that cannot afford this. Racing should be for everyone.
You need to compare this with subscriptions for other sports. Sky Sports and ESPN are cheaper for instance.
I would have thought that if you want to encourage people to get involved & bet on horse racing, you'd make it cheap to get as big an audience as possible.
You need to compare this with subscriptions for other sports. Sky Sports and ESPN are cheaper for instance.
I would have thought that if you want to encourage people to get involved & bet on horse racing, you'd make it cheap to get as big an audience as possible.
People that moan about Racing UK no doubt know someone with a football season ticket where you miss loads of weeks !If you follow racing you gotta have racing UK for the price of 3 packets of Fags !.and its GREAT
Hope they last till end of May. I bought tickets for York from RUK
don't VC offer to pay your subscription if you have a certain number or amount in bets with them
They have a sponsor and subscriptions so no chance of going bust. This thread is a load of B-llo--s
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