Highest rated flat horse to go hurdling?

I think Alderbrook was pretty good!

Moonax went hurdling.

Kribenses? i cant remember there ratings?

quito is correct

oh and the obrien team????

wellbeing must've been quite highly rated after beating an arc winner in sakhee.

Persian Brave was one I remember

Royal Gait as well

Moonax looks to have been the highest rate of your suggestions wiith a couple of group one wins, but achieved jack ** on over hurdles.

Wahington Irving's 5th in the derby can't be far away from the best form against some of the other suggestions.

think you could be right with Wellbeing Mikael. 117 or

Washington Irving

Mountain in recent years was rated 112 on flat (8th in Sir Percy's Derby) won once over hurdles

galileo..........i remember him winning at the festival

mountain was PU every other start over hurdles other than it's winning debut.

my line of thought is that none of them have really had a successful transition

Aurelius won the St Leger before going hurdling.

Maidstone Mixture ran in the derby ;-)

There was a saint leger winner went hurdling a few years ago, won his first hurdle race then never won again, began with A, can't remember his name.
Sea Pigeon ran in the derby and became a great hurdler.

Whodareswins had already named him but I hadn't seen his post.

Didn't Moonax's St Leger win count then?

Arctic Owl was 118

my apologies. it does indeed count.

thread closed - Moonax is the winner.

I'll re-open the thread if washington irving wins today.

what was moonax rated?

Mutakarrim was 108 on the flat and won a grade 2 at cheltenham november meeting

what was cesares rating when he went hurdling this season

Spartan General ran in a derby then went hurdling and 'chasing, finished second in Grand National to Aldaniti.

Moonax didn't do much over hurdles though

Bazzar - you are getting your Generals muddled up with your Missiles.

1961 St Leger winner Aurelius was second in the 67 champion hurdle

Fine Sun

J fanshawe had a group 1 miler last year can't remember what she was called over Nh????

Aurelius won 2 other group races on the flat. Was sent to stud but was infertile, won over fences after his CH second...

Creaser or something top class horse.

My Best Valentine.

Or was he a miler that went hurdling that went sprinting?

Green Green Desert. 2000 gns fav and then novice chasing.

Spacious

nomadic - its cesare

what about percussionist

thank you tried but couldn't remeber the horse.. Fanshawe always has a speedy 2 miler ... he's got another in the 1st at aintree today.

Yeah you are right Blackbarn, I backed it as well as Aldaniti, couldn't
make my mind up as to which might win so backed them both and doubled them with a non runner in the derby, which went on to win the St Leger.

Cesare was only beaten a length in the 2007 Queen Elizabeth Ii Stakes (group 1)

Anselmo, 4th to Santa Claus in the 1964 Derby has to be up there. I remember its 1st hurdle race, it was 3-1 in the morning papers but drifted to 14-1 on course. I went to the local BS in Surbiton and had a small bet at 14's and went home to watch it on the telly. Johnny Haine, imo the greatest ever over hurdles, rode it and it bolted up

Mountain Kingdom worth a mention.

Gallileo ran in the Champion Hurdle. He must have been rated pretty high.

Moonax was he not a nut case who liked to bite humans?

Moonax liked to bite horses.

cheers. yeah your right not humans..

Acropolis -4th in the Arc 2004 to BAGO

Les Arcs -champion sprinter a few years ago

Sublimity beat Acropolis in the Alleged stakes (listed Race) in Acropolis's next race after the Arc. Sublimity was rated 110 on the flat

percussionist

quality thread on forum shocker!

gerard 09 Apr 10:21

Mountain Kingdom worth a mention.


Nomadic Way 09 Apr 10:26

Moonax was he not a nut case who liked to bite humans?


Quito 09 Apr 10:29

Moonax liked to bite horses.



Amidst all the confusion, didn't Lazaz try to bite Mountain Kingdom's jocket at Chester?

jockey even.

Spartan General was the sire of Spartan Missile.
His first jump in public was in the 62 Derby when there was a pile-up and he jumped over the prone future Leger winner Hethersett. He was useful but not top-class on the flat,nearly top-class over hurdles and a spectacular winner of his first chase. Didn`t really go on over fences though and was retired to stud. He was a reasonably successful NH sire but made a bigger impression with pt-to-pts. Was champion sire in that sphere about 10 years running I think.

No wonder he didn't really progress over fences.....if he still had his tackle intact!

Obviously he had. There have been one or two entires who have done well over fences. Kadastrof relatively recently, but Fortina I think was top-class and became a successful sire.

Fortria, SS?

Fortina was his sire. Fortria was a gelding.

driver2 09 Apr 10:19


Anselmo, 4th to Santa Claus in the 1964 Derby has to be up there. I remember its 1st hurdle race........

didn't Billy Fury own that one ?

Oops. Still, I'd rather be corrected than living in ignorance. :)

Yes. Mr Fury did.

Salford city was 5th in the derby. what was Istabraqs flat rating?

VINTAGE CROP

Trelawny :)
Oh and Brown Jack.
Actually an awful lot of high quality geldings with a claim to stay have gone hurdling at some stage,with varying success. Brown Jack won The Champion Hurdle though before becoming a flat legend.

Yes TELL DEL

Does Vintage Crop win at 119?

Is that an OR or a Timeform rating. If the latter then Alderbrook and Royal Gait were higher.

OR
2 Irish Legers and the Greatest Race in the world ;)
Legend of a Horse

Don`t know then.
I agree he would be one of the best.