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How do you see this one panning out on Thursday.
6 of his 7 wins have come at Cheltenham, the other 1 at Newcastle. Only try at Aintree came in a hurdle race when behind CDG and Wichita.
Best form on G/S so ground won't be an issue.
Is it worth taking on at odds on? Purely because of the track iyo.
6 of his 7 wins have come at Cheltenham, the other 1 at Newcastle. Only try at Aintree came in a hurdle race when behind CDG and Wichita.
Best form on G/S so ground won't be an issue.
Is it worth taking on at odds on? Purely because of the track iyo.
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Will be beaten by Naccarat. Ground will be spot on for him and his last 2 runs have been blinders. Too soon for Imperial imo
The best horse in the race but not known for running 2 races alike. A race to watch imho
what a friend for me, nacarat will be taken on by caruthers and needs an uncontested lead to show his best
i really think what a friend will win this. commander should be put away for the season
keep hitting the lay button CHELTENHAM form unlikely to stack up
not worth paying on the back side to find out? LAY LAY and more LAY
not worth paying on the back side to find out? LAY LAY and more LAY
nope, and had a very hard race in the gold cup
I'd say so yes, also take out his Cheltenham runs his form fingers are impressive.
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5th coming when topweight at Wincanton. This season he's shown he doesn't have to lead. He's not in the league of Kauto Star/Denman off levels, nor Imperial Commander if given ideal prep = 6-8 weeks between races running left handed track.
I couldn't back IC @ 1.9 anytime away from Cheltenham, never mind just 20 days after his last run.
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5th coming when topweight at Wincanton. This season he's shown he doesn't have to lead. He's not in the league of Kauto Star/Denman off levels, nor Imperial Commander if given ideal prep = 6-8 weeks between races running left handed track.
I couldn't back IC @ 1.9 anytime away from Cheltenham, never mind just 20 days after his last run.
On a line through Denman, What A Friend has about 3 tonne to find with the imperious Imperial Commander.
IC is Bobby dazzlers horse, he has posted something on the antepost forum..
Went around Haydock OK, so not just a Cheltenham specialist, and could run a stone below the Gold Cup and would still win, imo...
3753 Cruithne 06 Apr 21:28
On a line through Denman, What A Friend has about 3 tonne to find with the imperious Imperial Commander.
on his form without a decent break, imperial would be about 10/1
If your auntie had a c0ck, she would be your aunt.
Anyone backing imperial at odds on is clearly insane.
On a line through Denman, What A Friend has about 3 tonne to find with the imperious Imperial Commander.
on his form without a decent break, imperial would be about 10/1
If your auntie had a c0ck, she would be your aunt.
Anyone backing imperial at odds on is clearly insane.
I remember him blowing up at Chelters in 4 runner novice race few years ago, after running there bout 2/3 weeks earlier.
Millhouse, what's not to say that Carruthers isn't a stone better away from Cheltenham?
What A Friend is the danger no doubt, but I think that he needs a true test and the quicker the ground, the lesser his chance.
What A Friend is the danger no doubt, but I think that he needs a true test and the quicker the ground, the lesser his chance.
Ran on well enough in the King George when he wasn't fresh - it was more the early mistake that was to blame for his below par run there. Horses that are 'best fresh' often lose that tag as they strengthen up with age. As Millhouse said, he can afford to run (at least imo) a stone below his last run to dance up.
Good racing thread imo. Enough good reasons to lay Imperial in this at prohibitive odds. Others will be suited by the course and ground on the day.
Win Only - has your Aunt got a c**k?
Win Only - has your Aunt got a c**k?
I have never looked under my aunties skirt, I do not come from the norfolk area.
3753 Cruithne 06 Apr 21:42
Ran on well enough in the King George when he wasn't fresh
he was beaten 64 lengths ffs 23 lengths behind naccarat, are you saying the early mistake cost him 64 lengths?
Ran on well enough in the King George when he wasn't fresh
he was beaten 64 lengths ffs 23 lengths behind naccarat, are you saying the early mistake cost him 64 lengths?
Yeah but in the 4 runner race at Chelt when beat at heavy odds on Tony Evans rode! no more info from me on that!!
christ he was beaten a nose by kauto star at haydock i hardly think he needs cheltenham to show his best form.
it was after a BREAK ffs ---- nothing to do with anyth else -- if it was 50 days after the festival itd be a good thing , BUT NOT NOW
haydock & cheltenham are galloping tracks aren't they?
aintree & kempton are tight tracks?
aintree & kempton are tight tracks?
The fresh argument is a red herring - its going right handed thats the issue.
Its last 3 races when not fresh have been very poor but imo its more to do with them being at kempton & punchestown rather than the break issue.
Those were its only 3 runs going that way - all very poor efforts.
has raced when not fresh & run with credit in the past. I agree it is better fresh but its reappearance only 3 weeks later isn't a huge issue for me.
Not usually an odds on bettor but it does appeal with so much in hand
Its last 3 races when not fresh have been very poor but imo its more to do with them being at kempton & punchestown rather than the break issue.
Those were its only 3 runs going that way - all very poor efforts.
has raced when not fresh & run with credit in the past. I agree it is better fresh but its reappearance only 3 weeks later isn't a huge issue for me.
Not usually an odds on bettor but it does appeal with so much in hand
looking at his form he's run 4 big races, the rest of his form he's won bad races or been gubbed.
3 have been at cheltenham after a break
the other at haydock after a break.
will he show his form at aintree after his best run 20 days ago?
3 have been at cheltenham after a break
the other at haydock after a break.
will he show his form at aintree after his best run 20 days ago?
It has to be Nacarat. Ran in the wrong race last year over 2m4f behind VPU. 3 Miles, good ground, tight track, perfect. Mccoy will be alive to the poss of a speed duel with Carruthers and it won't happen, he'll sit in behind. Agree with prev comments re IC. What a Friend is a quirky customer whom Ruby hasn't rode for a long time , i'd have stuck with ST. Whatever, Tom Georges yard is in great form and odds of around 9/2 will do for me.
FAO of IC backers :
taken from AP thread (hope BD doesn't mind)
''.........Paddy will not be hard on him at all - he will be allowed to go out and enjoy himself, and if he isn't he will be pulled up.....''
GL !
taken from AP thread (hope BD doesn't mind)
''.........Paddy will not be hard on him at all - he will be allowed to go out and enjoy himself, and if he isn't he will be pulled up.....''
GL !
Already layed, but will prob top up tomorrow, esp. if ground keeps drying.
why would the ground drying hurt his chance, he goes on any ground imo.
It seems almost unfair going to the well again so soon with a GC winner.
You lot are failing miserably @ talking me out of lumping on him. He's got 23lbs on the field & odds against ffs!
Hurry up & give me a valid reason not to back him or the b*ll*cks will be on the line!!!
Hurry up & give me a valid reason not to back him or the b*ll*cks will be on the line!!!
isnt he much better left handed - apparently
thought he would be definately odds on
thought he would be definately odds on
Isiris tipping is yesterday was a laugh, spent 5 minutes saying why not to back it, then gave max 8 pts win :D
Went around Haydock OK, so not just a Cheltenham specialist, and could run a stone below the Gold Cup and would still win, imo...
All true, but doesn't necessaarily mean he is good bet at the price. The horse regularly runs stinkers has only once run to within a stone of a his gold cup run (according to Timeform)
All true, but doesn't necessaarily mean he is good bet at the price. The horse regularly runs stinkers has only once run to within a stone of a his gold cup run (according to Timeform)
When racing is over tonight and we're all tucking in to our steaks, some of us will wonder why we didn't supersize that meal by lumping on at an unbelievable price of 6/5.
Lump on, get a bigger steak!
Lump on, get a bigger steak!
I rarely back short price favs but I think this is a great price.Best fresh/bounce factor only negative .IMHO bounce factor is term invented by pundits to explain the unexpected.Never heard the term until a couple of years ago.Horses are not machines .IC may well be beaten but he should be 4/6 not 6/5
I concur with loyola...it certainly should be odds on.Pundits talk about What a friend but on Henessey form when getting lumps of weight from Denman how can he be in the same parish as Imperial who beat Denman comprehensively on level weights.
the fact he should be 4/6 is the only thing stopping me lumping on - kind of contradictory i know
If Kauto and Denman hadn't fluffed their lines in recent times, this horse would be massive odds on today. Fact is he's got lumps in hand and should romp home.
P.S. I've backed WAF
P.S. I've backed WAF
2.25 with stanjames until midday if anyones interested
8\9 and btn a nose by kauto when having a 7 week or more break......................................1\9 when not fresh.............just a litle bit of a worry
The point is he wont have to be at his best to beat these horses he is a value bet in the race. (at the price he is now)
ash............the point is when he does run badly its almost always off the radar
You may be right not long now until we will find out.
ash......why dont you back in running............youll probably have some idea after 3 or 4 fences and the price may not drop that much
Unable to as at work today but up at anitree tomorrow and saturday. I have backed all of his last wins starting when he won the paddy power at big odds a couple of years ago anti post. So horse owes me nothing.
The 'he needs to be fresh' factor apart, I think it's worth remembering that he hasn't got to beat Kauto Star or Denman today, he's got to finish in front of a field of horses who have fallen short of the very highest class on many occasions - his two main rivals have both been beaten in handicaps this season.
Given that Imperial Commander could run a stone below the Gold Cup performance and still win comfortably, the offer at the moment, in my opinion, seems to be better than even money about the best jumper of a fence in training getting round...
Given that Imperial Commander could run a stone below the Gold Cup performance and still win comfortably, the offer at the moment, in my opinion, seems to be better than even money about the best jumper of a fence in training getting round...
3.10 - Imperial Commander is very well and looks to buck the trend of Gold Cup winners in this race. Much is being made of his record away from Cheltenham by the RP pundits today but how much different would it be had he been a nostril in front of Kauto Star at Haydock instead of (officially!) a nostril behind? He is now rated 23lb in front of his nearest rival in this, is in tremendous form at home and we wouldn't be running him if we didn't believe he can deliver the right result. Paddy rides again.
There was a nice story about one of the owners of Imperial Commander in the paper this morning. Him & his mates had a £100 acca, won 10 odd grand each. Bought a horse. Horse pegged it, copped the insurance. Next horse they bought was Imperial Commander, who has won £750,000 prize money so far. He plans to go to the races with his liverpool scarf (He's a Liverpool ssn ticket holder) and hopes to be able to give Fergie some stick after his horse does the business :)
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