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...at last...

..a purveyor of truth.......

...the revolution will not be televised......

or will it !!!!

go Cubone gggggggooooooooo..............

egner if you read my blog you will see that I have a bee in my bonnet about the result of the 1928 were at the last fence only two horses standing were neck and neck yet the leading historian TH Bird informs us that the Irish Horse ( a scrawny Throw off the flat my word)
was reported as a long way behind with the usa horse well clear.
Dont seem right and if that happens in 1928 what did happen in 1828.

cubone.co.uk

Archer was vastly over-rated.

sorry i do not agree with that but he did have the starter McGeorge straightened, and he would start the races as Archer came in.

Good Advantage

cubone.co.uk

There were no 'proper' jockeys until 'the monkey up a stick' brought the race riding style to this country.-

Prior to that they were all like Military Policemen.

Even after Tod Sloane, Reiff et al - until the start of the Great War 'our' jockeys had stirrups at 'full length'.
Look at the photographs of every Derby finish from 1900 in Vincent Orchard's book

As you will know, Don, Raceform did not start until 1935.
Prior to that the only Form Book was Sporting Chronicle Racing-Up-To-Date

Ruff's Guide carried race results for the previous year, but there were NO 'Comments In Running'.

Similarly, Racing-Up-To Date only carried 'Comments In Running' for the winner and, maybe, place horses, in ONLY the major races.

Therefore, all we have to go off is Sporting Chronicle Racing-Up-To-Date for that year..... which gives a 'race report' for the National, which states ...

'....... Billy Barton ( the eventual re-mounted runner -up) )( my brackets) went on into the country.
When next seen B Barton was attended by G Span, with Tipperary Tim ( eventual winner) ( again my brackets) [b]the only other left up.
Two fences from post, G Span joined B Barton but fell. B Barton cam on from T Tim , but fell at the last fence. T Tim won by a distance.'

Give him his place in history i say

but my argument onlooker is the inference in"Birds" book was that Billy Barton was going clear before the last and Tipperary Tim had dropped well away,

Your comment would be appreciated.

cubone

As posted above - The Form Book states ... "B Barton came on from T Tim, but fell at the last fence."

I suppose it is down to how far does, "came on," refer to ?

What a pointless thread this is. Did you lay the second next time out based on the write up? Or do you fancy it next time out?

Next week - The Bible

samson by a short head...

seriously these historical tidbits are of more interest than half the guess work and carp on these forums - dont let the grumpies put you off.

luke good morning - shall i tell you the name of the grand national winner who was pulling a cart in a field in lifford Donegal 2 weeks before winning the grand national- or has someone answered the question yet?

Methinks the handicapper is getting wise to horses pulling carts in Donegal.

lolo very good

on looker at the last fence Tipperary Tim was a shade in front at the last fence. it was an attempt to ridicule the Irish horse in favour of the American billionaire who were taking the race by storm.
With all the uk blue bloods having run out of money they sent there daughters and horses over and were welcomed.
The Irish on the other hand were causing "Troubles"

Why shouldn't this little part of history not be altered.to tell the truth.

cubone

Onlooker when the monkeys on a stick appeared at our tracks it wasn't just there riding skill that caused the massive success you may have to look for
DOPE to find the answer

cubone

re lukehart, enjoyed your piece on 1928 gn, my grandfather bought his first house on tipperary winnings, when i was young he used to talk about it, but i really didn,t understand. i had a nostalgic evening watching your take on it. good man, thank you.

thank you lapsy It wasn't great but like my old teacher said
Can only get better.

I aim to do a video of Lord Hastings if that don't save some compulsive gamblers nothing will.

best of luck

cubone