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The RP and Timeform both have Rosallion now 1lb ahead of Notable Speech. It is nearly 3 months since the Guineas. Sometimes after such time and many more form lines to assess I will need to revisit a card and realise I should've gone higher or lower. I may still be wrong this time but if there is an error of judgement I can't see it. For me, Notable Speech's Guineas win was clearly the best performance by any 3yo over any distance this season.
His SJP run was obviously very disappointing. I've heard arguments put up that he was flattered in winning the Guineas because he was positioned best in a strongly run race. That he had a fitness advantage because he'd already run 3 times on the AW. I don't buy this reasoning myself, but it's plausible. What isn't plausible is that these were the reasons for him being beaten 6 lengths at Ascot. The horse simply did not run his race last time.
There is the possibility that the race has set him back long term. A horse doesn't need to be showing an obvious injury to have physically regressed. Maybe he just had an off day. There is also the possibility that he needed a bit longer than usual to have recovered from the Guineas effort. Most horses have been conditioned on the track before being asked to win a Guineas. By that I mean they'll usually have performed in a fast run race at least once. Either in a top 2yo race or in a trial. Whereas all of NS's previous races were piddling AW events where he was just asked to pick the opposition up late on. The Guineas on turf must have been a vastly more taxing experience. Especially this year when a very high class performance was required.
So, with the knowledge that I may well be backing a spent force, I will be having a decent bet on NS at these odds.
His SJP run was obviously very disappointing. I've heard arguments put up that he was flattered in winning the Guineas because he was positioned best in a strongly run race. That he had a fitness advantage because he'd already run 3 times on the AW. I don't buy this reasoning myself, but it's plausible. What isn't plausible is that these were the reasons for him being beaten 6 lengths at Ascot. The horse simply did not run his race last time.
There is the possibility that the race has set him back long term. A horse doesn't need to be showing an obvious injury to have physically regressed. Maybe he just had an off day. There is also the possibility that he needed a bit longer than usual to have recovered from the Guineas effort. Most horses have been conditioned on the track before being asked to win a Guineas. By that I mean they'll usually have performed in a fast run race at least once. Either in a top 2yo race or in a trial. Whereas all of NS's previous races were piddling AW events where he was just asked to pick the opposition up late on. The Guineas on turf must have been a vastly more taxing experience. Especially this year when a very high class performance was required.
So, with the knowledge that I may well be backing a spent force, I will be having a decent bet on NS at these odds.
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It’s ok I see he’s fav for a listed at NM tomorrow, haven’t looked at the entrees but recalled people saying he could go for the SJP after his Sandown win, which seemed lofty.
Opera Ballo will win tomorrow if he does not pull too hard. This and PSG for a shortie double.
The participation of Rosallion is very much ground dependent, according to Hannon. He seems to like the same ground as FoG eg good/good to firm. Otherwise Le Marois.
Could Hollie get the ride? She rode Nashwa for Gosden.
Can’t see that Impossible. I’ve got more chance of you private messaging me your king George banker! 
Sorry 'Delashay'. I've no banker for either King George, only strong fancies eg Fact To File and Jan Brueghel.
Thanks Impossible I was pulling your leg as I know you said that you’d had a strong fancy.
The Lion In Winter has done a runner. He's more likely to go to le' Marois. I guess a pummelling similar to that received by stablemate Henri Matisse is too painful and embarrassing for connections to absorb.
Maybe Delacroix post AOB's assertion the horse has a cracking acceleration after winning The Eclipse. Here's hoping.
Maybe Delacroix post AOB's assertion the horse has a cracking acceleration after winning The Eclipse. Here's hoping.
Correct t re: the Lion.
The Lion In Winter and Dancing Gemini vers le Prix Jacques Le Marois (Gr. I)
The Irish The Lion In Winter and the English Dancing Gemini are aiming for the Jacques Le Marois Prize (Gr.I), on 17th August next.
Peak of the summer on the Normandy coast, the Prix Jacques le Marois (Gr.I), contested over 1,600 meters, on 17 August, is in the sights of The Lion In Winter, recent third of the Prix Jean Prat (Gr.I), in a very close finish. Representing Coolmore, Chris Armstrong told our Racing TV team: “It was a pleasure to find him again after all the promises he had shown last year. The colt has taken the race very well and we are very happy with him at the stable. He will participate in the Prix Jacques le Marois. Obviously, it will be an exciting race this summer. He adapted quite quickly by going from 2,400 m to 1,400 m last week. Going back to the mile should suit him.
Another candidate, Dancing Gemini (second in the Poule d'Essai des Poulains at 3 years old), disappointing in the Queen Anne Stakes (Gr.I) at Royal Ascot after his second place in the Lockinge Stakes (Gr.I) and who will try to redeem himself. "In the end, the race was not fast enough and it was a sprint," his coach Roger Teal told Racing Post. Dancing Gemini is a real miler who needs the train. There’s no reason why Deauville wouldn’t suit him. The land could be a bit more flexible, which could clearly benefit him.
The Lion In Winter and Dancing Gemini vers le Prix Jacques Le Marois (Gr. I)
The Irish The Lion In Winter and the English Dancing Gemini are aiming for the Jacques Le Marois Prize (Gr.I), on 17th August next.
Peak of the summer on the Normandy coast, the Prix Jacques le Marois (Gr.I), contested over 1,600 meters, on 17 August, is in the sights of The Lion In Winter, recent third of the Prix Jean Prat (Gr.I), in a very close finish. Representing Coolmore, Chris Armstrong told our Racing TV team: “It was a pleasure to find him again after all the promises he had shown last year. The colt has taken the race very well and we are very happy with him at the stable. He will participate in the Prix Jacques le Marois. Obviously, it will be an exciting race this summer. He adapted quite quickly by going from 2,400 m to 1,400 m last week. Going back to the mile should suit him.
Another candidate, Dancing Gemini (second in the Poule d'Essai des Poulains at 3 years old), disappointing in the Queen Anne Stakes (Gr.I) at Royal Ascot after his second place in the Lockinge Stakes (Gr.I) and who will try to redeem himself. "In the end, the race was not fast enough and it was a sprint," his coach Roger Teal told Racing Post. Dancing Gemini is a real miler who needs the train. There’s no reason why Deauville wouldn’t suit him. The land could be a bit more flexible, which could clearly benefit him.
There are 3 Japanese G1 winners over 1 mile entered up, looks like a hot race if they all show!
Tantalising Sussex Stakes clash between Delacroix and Field Of Gold could be on after Eclipse winner's price collapses
Coral-Eclipse winner Delacroix has collapsed in price for the Visit Qatar Sussex Stakes at Goodwood later this month, with the tantalising prospect of a clash with Field Of Gold seemingly a distinct possibility.
The Dubawi colt has won three of his four starts this season, beginning with two smooth wins in the Ballysax and Derby Trial at Leopardstown. That led to him being sent off 2-1 favourite for the Derby under Ryan Moore but after meeting trouble early on he finished ninth, beaten 16 lengths by stablemate Lambourn.
He was dropped back to a mile and a quarter for the Coral-Eclipse at Sandown and produced a devastating turn of foot to snatch victory from Ombudsman despite hitting a high of 370 in running on Betfair when last of the six-runner field at the furlong pole.
If he lines up in the Sussex, it would be the first time he's raced over a mile since he finished runner-up to Hotazhell in the Futurity Trophy at Doncaster on his final start as a juvenile.
Irish 2,000 Guineas and St James's Palace Stakes winner Field Of Gold remains a hot favourite to land his third Group 1 on the bounce at 4-7 but Delacroix has been supported into 5-1 from 16s with Rosallion splitting the pair in the market at 7-
Billies, said: “We’re less than two weeks away from the Sussex Stakes, and the much-anticipated clash between Field Of Gold and Delacroix could be coming sooner than we thought. The Juddmonte had seemed their potential first head-to-head, but we’ve taken notable money for Aidan O’Brien’s Eclipse hero to see him more than halve in price for the Sussex.
“He’s now a 5-1 shot from 16s, and while he still has a way to go to get to Field Of Gold at 4-7 favourite, his price collapse could suggest that Ballydoyle are seriously considering dropping him back to the mile. We’d still expect Field Of Gold to be very hard to beat over this course and distance, but their meeting would be a tantalising prospect for racing fans.”
Coral-Eclipse winner Delacroix has collapsed in price for the Visit Qatar Sussex Stakes at Goodwood later this month, with the tantalising prospect of a clash with Field Of Gold seemingly a distinct possibility.
The Dubawi colt has won three of his four starts this season, beginning with two smooth wins in the Ballysax and Derby Trial at Leopardstown. That led to him being sent off 2-1 favourite for the Derby under Ryan Moore but after meeting trouble early on he finished ninth, beaten 16 lengths by stablemate Lambourn.
He was dropped back to a mile and a quarter for the Coral-Eclipse at Sandown and produced a devastating turn of foot to snatch victory from Ombudsman despite hitting a high of 370 in running on Betfair when last of the six-runner field at the furlong pole.
If he lines up in the Sussex, it would be the first time he's raced over a mile since he finished runner-up to Hotazhell in the Futurity Trophy at Doncaster on his final start as a juvenile.
Irish 2,000 Guineas and St James's Palace Stakes winner Field Of Gold remains a hot favourite to land his third Group 1 on the bounce at 4-7 but Delacroix has been supported into 5-1 from 16s with Rosallion splitting the pair in the market at 7-
Billies, said: “We’re less than two weeks away from the Sussex Stakes, and the much-anticipated clash between Field Of Gold and Delacroix could be coming sooner than we thought. The Juddmonte had seemed their potential first head-to-head, but we’ve taken notable money for Aidan O’Brien’s Eclipse hero to see him more than halve in price for the Sussex.
“He’s now a 5-1 shot from 16s, and while he still has a way to go to get to Field Of Gold at 4-7 favourite, his price collapse could suggest that Ballydoyle are seriously considering dropping him back to the mile. We’d still expect Field Of Gold to be very hard to beat over this course and distance, but their meeting would be a tantalising prospect for racing fans.”
He was entered for the Moulin yesterday so it looks like the talk that was laughed at is true for one time Derby Fa outer whilst the other Derby favourite goes for the Marois!
What a lot!
What a lot!
I think it's blatant red herring to deceive punters. Unless the ground changes immensely between now and the day of the race the participation of Delacroix is a pie-in-the-sky.
I'd even side with Rosallion against Delacroix over 8f at Goodwood.
I'd even side with Rosallion against Delacroix over 8f at Goodwood.
Agree with Imp.
He did not look at miler to me at Sandown.
He did not look at miler to me at Sandown.
The price collapse coinciding with his entry in the Moulin? Might be some are taking Moores comments about him being a miler all along more seriously.
You even suggested it might yourself.
“Maybe Delacroix post AOB's assertion the horse has a cracking acceleration after winning The Eclipse. Here's hoping.”
Still hoping?
You even suggested it might yourself.
“Maybe Delacroix post AOB's assertion the horse has a cracking acceleration after winning The Eclipse. Here's hoping.”
Still hoping?
I hope that he does, will be intriguing and as both he and Field of Gold are two strapping colts, could be difficult to give weight to them?
It adds another dimension to the story of the season and their stories (LIW) of running over the wrong trips!
It adds another dimension to the story of the season and their stories (LIW) of running over the wrong trips!
With Buick likely for FOG it’s him vs Moore again, AOB vs Gosden.
Delacroix was chinned by Hotazhell over 8f. He'd have no chance against FoG unless the ground is boggy. If so, FoG will be an absentee.
Yesterday the same bookies sponsor paper alluded to a possible clash between stablemates Minnie Hauk and Whirl in this weekend's Irish Oaks. Unbelievable and professional incompetence!
As expected Whirl has been withdrawn for the Irish Oaks this saturday. So has Bedtime Story. As such, most of the runners are non-Gp 1 runners. I think the Irish Derby and Irish Oaks are not what they once were prior to the monopolisation of Irish horseracing by Coolmore.
After the Epsom Oaks I never thought you’d see the two fillies in the same race again. Was too close and it wouldn’t make sense.
Seen on the post that:
Sussex Stakes showdown between Delacroix and Field Of Gold could be on after Eclipse winner's price collapses…
More crap talk from them on there and market skullduggery! Mattisse was out to 16/1 yesterday now back in, Déjà vu all over again!
Seen on the post that:
Sussex Stakes showdown between Delacroix and Field Of Gold could be on after Eclipse winner's price collapses…
More crap talk from them on there and market skullduggery! Mattisse was out to 16/1 yesterday now back in, Déjà vu all over again!
Jul 17, 2025 -- 2:26PM, brandyontherocks wrote:
Agree with Imp.He did not look at miler to me at Sandown.
I agree but I’d like to see them back up the things that they say. I’m with Gosden and his view that stamina won the day.
Ruling Court was staying on with Delacroix.
I’ve watched the race back and have noticed some things that I missed at the time.
Going into the The International (we don’t have a thread for it) so will raise it here, we’ve a situation a little like what we had after the Lockinge going into the Queen Anne.
Are we thinking form will stand, be reversed or….
Sosie failed to handle the track undulations completely was eased near the finish but not beaten far. That’s a flag for me regards this race.
Are we thinking form will stand, be reversed or….
Sosie failed to handle the track undulations completely was eased near the finish but not beaten far. That’s a flag for me regards this race.
I think in the Juddmonte Int over 10f if FoG stays just as well as he does over 8f nothing will get past him - not even Delacroix. His acceleration will propel him past any in the last furlong. I'm hoping for nice weather for him to show his best.
Nothing I can envisage except pilot error or an act of nature eg his stall opening late, etc. All things being equal this race is his for the taking. The Juddmonte over 10f the extra distance is an unknown but I think he's up to it.
Thank you Impossible I value your opinion and appreciate your feedback
Mr Gosden is highlighting the differences between Ascot, Curragh and Goodwood. So typical.
He’s right to bring up the topic and I enjoy listening to him talk about how the tracks and draw differ. Have learn a lot listening to his wise words.
I’d said to Figgis that this would be the track that might be best to take him on on. You either handle it or don’t.
I’d said to Figgis that this would be the track that might be best to take him on on. You either handle it or don’t.
Adds an element of spice, not yet reported on the RP
Danon Decile Targets Juddmonte International at York
Report from Japan
By Naohiro Goda
Sunday, 1:46 PM
Danon Decile , the 2024 Japanese Derby (G1) victor who won Dubai Sheema Classic (G1T) at Meydan Racecourse April 5 defeating European representatives with the highest profile, such as Calandagan and Rebel's Romance , will be shipped from Japan to the United Kingdom Aug. 5 and the connections are eying the Juddmonte International (G1) at York Aug. 20.
Soon after his strong performance in Dubai, the connections started to think about another international summer campaign. Shogo Yasuda who also trains the colt by Epiphaneia , has an impression that Danon Decile performs better at ante-clockwise tracks than at clockwise tracks, he selected the race at York, where the track is ante-clockwise, rather than King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes (G1) at Ascot and Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe (G1) at Longchamp.
Danon Decile will be accommodated at Beech Hurst Stable at Newmarket, where Satono Reve , who finished second in the Queen Elizabeth II Jubilee Stakes (G1) at Ascot June 20, stayed for nearly two months earlier this year.
Danon Decile is the fourth Japanese-trained horse to take part in the Juddmonte International. Zenno Rob Roy, was narrowly beaten when he ran second to Electrocutionist in 2005, Cheval Grand finished eighth in 2019, and Durezza finished sixth in 2023.
Japanese jockey Keita Tosaki, who rode Danon Decile at Meydan in April, will ride the son of Epiphaneia at York.
Was a great finish with Frankie on Electrocutionist and the brilliantly named Zenno Rob Roy.
I recall the jockey wearing the flashy jacket in Newmarket being on the cover of the Post as he crossed the road.
Danon Decile Targets Juddmonte International at York
Report from Japan
By Naohiro Goda
Sunday, 1:46 PM
Danon Decile , the 2024 Japanese Derby (G1) victor who won Dubai Sheema Classic (G1T) at Meydan Racecourse April 5 defeating European representatives with the highest profile, such as Calandagan and Rebel's Romance , will be shipped from Japan to the United Kingdom Aug. 5 and the connections are eying the Juddmonte International (G1) at York Aug. 20.
Soon after his strong performance in Dubai, the connections started to think about another international summer campaign. Shogo Yasuda who also trains the colt by Epiphaneia , has an impression that Danon Decile performs better at ante-clockwise tracks than at clockwise tracks, he selected the race at York, where the track is ante-clockwise, rather than King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes (G1) at Ascot and Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe (G1) at Longchamp.
Danon Decile will be accommodated at Beech Hurst Stable at Newmarket, where Satono Reve , who finished second in the Queen Elizabeth II Jubilee Stakes (G1) at Ascot June 20, stayed for nearly two months earlier this year.
Danon Decile is the fourth Japanese-trained horse to take part in the Juddmonte International. Zenno Rob Roy, was narrowly beaten when he ran second to Electrocutionist in 2005, Cheval Grand finished eighth in 2019, and Durezza finished sixth in 2023.
Japanese jockey Keita Tosaki, who rode Danon Decile at Meydan in April, will ride the son of Epiphaneia at York.
Was a great finish with Frankie on Electrocutionist and the brilliantly named Zenno Rob Roy.
I recall the jockey wearing the flashy jacket in Newmarket being on the cover of the Post as he crossed the road.
The lay off could be of a concern as well as the drop back in trip, the long straight at York should suit at he won the Derby at Tokyo where they have the longest straight.
For those who dint know the jockey and wonder could he be a negative, I found this remark:
Danon Decile will be ridden by Keita Tosaki, one of the best jockeys on the JRA circuit, Christophe Lemaire’s main rival, year after year, in the fight for the Japanese Golden Whip.
For those who dint know the jockey and wonder could he be a negative, I found this remark:
Danon Decile will be ridden by Keita Tosaki, one of the best jockeys on the JRA circuit, Christophe Lemaire’s main rival, year after year, in the fight for the Japanese Golden Whip.
FoG is very unlikely to show up in the Juddmonte now. He was 2.74, now 7.8. I've 'lay' him at 1.52 for this race.
The drift due to not wanting to run the pair against each other from the same stable?
Pair? Which two, FoG and Kalpana and See The Fire? I'm too lazy check myself. Sorry!
Ombudsman and FOG Gosden separating them?
AOB has indicated that he will likely split his two, said Delacroix has already won twice at Leopardstown (Irish Champion on his radar?), yet said (the drifter of the two) Camille will love the flat track @ York!
AOB has indicated that he will likely split his two, said Delacroix has already won twice at Leopardstown (Irish Champion on his radar?), yet said (the drifter of the two) Camille will love the flat track @ York!
More fun and games!
Race looks like cutting up big time, if Alnaqam wins this weekend, Walker is saying he’ll target York. Could the French Colt Daryz still yet take his chance?!?
The Saratoga Derby is another race that was mentioned for him, Hotazhell flies out this Friday to run next Saturday.
Race looks like cutting up big time, if Alnaqam wins this weekend, Walker is saying he’ll target York. Could the French Colt Daryz still yet take his chance?!?
The Saratoga Derby is another race that was mentioned for him, Hotazhell flies out this Friday to run next Saturday.
Ombudsman? He's not bomb-proof; Delacroix could chin him again at York. Thank goodness, I do not have anything antepost on FoG for the International.
Buick confirmed Field Of Gold who is back to 8.6 for York
Why would Buick give an update on FoG's targets?
FoG and Ombudsman are in different ownership. So why the segregation for the Juddmonte?
You’d have to think that Gosden is happy to clean up in the mile division as Frankel did? It’s either that or he doesn’t fancy the 10f test against a better pool of opposition.
I think the present bunch of 3yr olds over 8f is relatively poor in comparison to past years. Maybe a home gallop over 10f did not inspire confidence. Nevertheless, it's not a horseracing conducive decision if ducking The Juddmonte.
But, I do not pay the bills of FoG.
But, I do not pay the bills of FoG.
Agree is a poor bunch over that distance in the classic crop. You’d think someone would ask if it’s still a target?
Anyone taking the 8’s on the chance that it is?
Anyone taking the 8’s on the chance that it is?
On a different note - Ridari didn’t do much for the 3 year old mile form at the weekend in France when beaten by Quddwah even if he pulled again and was too far back.
FOG might well be a superstar but I can't back a 3yo that has never raced against older horses at odds on. Rather just watch or find one place only.
I've lay him at 1.52 to manage position. I hope he wins convincingly as a star is much needed these days given the much of a muchness of the rest.
You’ve played him for the Goodwood or York race? I know that you said you’d done so for the 10f race.
This race, 'Delashay'. The International is a no-play given his connections, and a paltry 7/4 on a couple of key unknowns eg weather and 10f. There are better betting propositions elsewhere.
I backed him for this post his Newmarket disappointment and The Curragh atonement. He was about 6.2 - 6.6 for a few squids.
Field Of Gold is a very short price today but on form I wouldn't say he's too short. If he remains at his peak I don't see him beaten by this opposition. I have no axe to grind against FOG, I've been a big fan since his impressive Craven win and backed him on his subsequent 3 starts. Nevertheless, I do think he has been overrated in the media on what he has actually achieved. I have him better than a typical Guineas winner, but only slightly above. For me, he hasn't run as fast as Gosden's Kingman had by this stage and he's nowhere near Frankel. Actually I have Rosallion equally as good at his 3yo best. The trouble for Rosallion today he has to give 8lbs wfa, and to date as a 4yo he hasn't even shown he can match his 3yo best, let alone improve on that by 8lbs.
My only concern about FOG is when he will start to regress. He has had 3 fast races this season (the Guineas actually being slower because of the early pace) and many horses only manage 2 or 3 in a season. It could be argued that he hasn't had a hard race. It's true he hasn't had to battle, but he has been fully extended by his jockey in a couple of those races and I'm not convinced he had much more in the tank. He could regress a few pounds today and still get the job done. However, I've seen other horses completely bomb out after those early season efforts. So while I wouldn't oppose FOG today I wouldn't even consider taking these odds about him.
Gosden has said he's the type to keep on improving. I hope he's right as that's what I would like to see. I hope he does perform to his best today, otherwise we are going to hear a load of nonsense from some idiots about how he was never any good anyway.
My only concern about FOG is when he will start to regress. He has had 3 fast races this season (the Guineas actually being slower because of the early pace) and many horses only manage 2 or 3 in a season. It could be argued that he hasn't had a hard race. It's true he hasn't had to battle, but he has been fully extended by his jockey in a couple of those races and I'm not convinced he had much more in the tank. He could regress a few pounds today and still get the job done. However, I've seen other horses completely bomb out after those early season efforts. So while I wouldn't oppose FOG today I wouldn't even consider taking these odds about him.
Gosden has said he's the type to keep on improving. I hope he's right as that's what I would like to see. I hope he does perform to his best today, otherwise we are going to hear a load of nonsense from some idiots about how he was never any good anyway.
It’s fair enough to say that he’s not beaten much so far, that’s different from saying he’s no good.
Delayshay, it's still difficult to see how him getting beaten today should change a view of past achievements. If he runs bang to form do you see Henri Matisse turning around those defeats? Do you see any of the older horses being able to concede wfa?
It's unlikely but not impossible that the O'Brien horse could improve that much. But to read that kind of result as a genuine improvement on the part of HM you'd expect them to pull clear in a fast time. A bunched finish must surely indicate that FOG wasn't at his best. Likewise, it's not impossible Rosallion could improve exactly in line with the wfa scale and beat an in form FOG, but the wfa scale is very generous to the 3yos. It wouldn't require a Frankel type performance to achieve that, but it would take the best I've seen since him.
There was no confidence in Henri at Ascot where I doubted him over that mile, will we see a different colt today on a track I asked some time ago - if it’d suit FOG as much.
Will the yank improve for his first run at Ascot and go counter clockwise?
If as you’ve put forwards (and is always a doubt after so many races when taking such a short price) he regressed he can be beat.
I never believed that last years Guineas was great, therefore it’s a lot of weight to give.
Is anyone intrigued that AoB has gone back for more?
And no I don’t believe should he get beaten that it should change the view of his past achievements. He very nearly pulled off the 2000 Guineas SJP double and I’ve said many times that it’s a rare thing to achieve.
Was that helped by a weak division or a sign of his class which I don’t doubt he has. Today he faces another test.
Will the yank improve for his first run at Ascot and go counter clockwise?
If as you’ve put forwards (and is always a doubt after so many races when taking such a short price) he regressed he can be beat.
I never believed that last years Guineas was great, therefore it’s a lot of weight to give.
Is anyone intrigued that AoB has gone back for more?
And no I don’t believe should he get beaten that it should change the view of his past achievements. He very nearly pulled off the 2000 Guineas SJP double and I’ve said many times that it’s a rare thing to achieve.
Was that helped by a weak division or a sign of his class which I don’t doubt he has. Today he faces another test.
Sorry we over lapped before I could reply to your first comments. I’m looking forwards to a great race.
Was that helped by a weak division or a sign of his class which I don’t doubt he has
It was both. It's still extremely difficult for any older horse to give this weight to even an on par Guineas winning 3yo that turns up here in peak form. I'm not going to automatically mark the race down if FOG gets beaten. If everything fits that we've just witnessed a very good Gp1 performance then that's what it should be regarded as. It just seems far more likely that if he's beaten it'll be because he didn't perform.
It was both. It's still extremely difficult for any older horse to give this weight to even an on par Guineas winning 3yo that turns up here in peak form. I'm not going to automatically mark the race down if FOG gets beaten. If everything fits that we've just witnessed a very good Gp1 performance then that's what it should be regarded as. It just seems far more likely that if he's beaten it'll be because he didn't perform.
I don’t like this ground Figgis and a different track a different day means I’d not be shocked either way. Plus what you’ve said about having had a few races already. He’s a big string colt and I agree it’s tough for an older colt to conced that weight.
Little puffs of soil shouldn’t be erupting like mini volcanoes and I have that memory of him still from the Lagadere.
I hope all come back safe.
Little puffs of soil shouldn’t be erupting like mini volcanoes and I have that memory of him still from the Lagadere.
I hope all come back safe.
Fast time there for the Oak Tree indicates the ground is faster than described. As a 2yo Field Of Gold was nothing like the horse he has become. His times were just about Gp3. As I've said though, of course he could regress and I wouldn't be surprised, that's why I won't take 2/5.
Yes he grew and strengthened for sure. the times say it and others are saying it’s fast. But Moore after the first race - it’s easy side!
I don’t blame you for not doing so, plenty more opportunities.
I don’t blame you for not doing so, plenty more opportunities.
I wonder how the draw will play out. Moores been using the cutaway well today.
I sensed you felt today wasn’t his day and I’d been waiting for it but no play and boy I’m glad!
Delashay • June 28, 2025 6:08 PM BST
Figgis this one is in part for you.
I’m not sure why Fieldd Of Gold is rated higher than Ombudsman. FOG has beaten very little to date, yet the latter beat proven Group 1 performers.
That aside if there’s one track I’d take the grey on on is Goodwood.
He didn’t perform, the dip was used spin the Guineas as an excuse for being out ridden, we know how that worked out!
He also flopped at Longchamp on the downhill toboggan.
Might this be why Diamond is eyeing the Marois, pancake flat track short of a mile?
And I’d never of found that winner but the memory of Longchamp was there for a reason.
Figgis this one is in part for you.
I’m not sure why Fieldd Of Gold is rated higher than Ombudsman. FOG has beaten very little to date, yet the latter beat proven Group 1 performers.
That aside if there’s one track I’d take the grey on on is Goodwood.
He didn’t perform, the dip was used spin the Guineas as an excuse for being out ridden, we know how that worked out!
He also flopped at Longchamp on the downhill toboggan.
Might this be why Diamond is eyeing the Marois, pancake flat track short of a mile?
And I’d never of found that winner but the memory of Longchamp was there for a reason.
Delashay, if there had been another decent 3yo in the race, just a few pounds behind FOG, I'd have backed it thinking there's a fair chance FOG will regress a little at least. Didn't fancy the lay though. No surprise that I never could've fancied the winner
You think that poor performance was entirely due to the Gooodwood track?
Listening to Gosden just now and I had my tv on pause as visitors called! Wasn’t sure if they were at the door but yes NO doubt.
I didn’t like the ground either on the day.
I didn’t like the ground either on the day.
Seeing Gosden with Chapman (no RTV here) he just mentioned the track and being unbalanced.
Longchamp can catch horses out going down hill, he’s not gone down the dip well. Downhill not his thing.
The other jockies were horrendous but it was there if you looked.
The other jockies were horrendous but it was there if you looked.
Only a few races run so far, but by my reckoning of the times today FOG has run nearly 2 stone behind his best. That's a lot to blame on the track. Gosden, like most trainers, is always going to blame outside influences rather than the horse's ability on the day. I don't know how much they want to keep him in training as a 4yo, given what Gosden said about him improving, but I'd say more likely we won't see FOG again this season.
And of course you could be right about having had all the races Figgis. If anyone said he’d be behind Mattisse they’d say the horse is wrong, Ken did say he looked a bit light!
Delashay, surely if you were that convinced by the track you'd want to lay him?
I don’t lay having not done so and am new to Betfair learning. I’m a lifelong a backer, old school shop to shop where in London was easy, here I don’t have the shops so joined! 
I saw some entries earlier and one was a big negative for Mattisse so couldn’t bet, even if I felt the track would suit him better than Ascot.
Two places with an odds on isn’t my thing, I kicked myself for not playing the odds verses weight yesterday and following you.
It’s all about price. Back in London it had to be worth getting off my rear for! My mates would run up the road for an 11/10 I can sit those out.
Two places with an odds on isn’t my thing, I kicked myself for not playing the odds verses weight yesterday and following you.
It’s all about price. Back in London it had to be worth getting off my rear for!
My mates would run up the road for an 11/10 I can sit those out.
I threw that thought about tracks out there, you never can be sure but where there’s a doubt - hold ‘em.
It was there for all to contemplate and discuss Figgis. As I said earlier a different track and different day, it all counts.
Harvey is saying he looked lighter today just now.
Harvey is saying he looked lighter today just now.
You’ll know I’ve mentioned it a few times but we should be given their weights. Before I plonked all on I’d want to know all is in place.
The stable know it and we don’t. We’ve got stride analysis, sectionals etc but the one bit of info not shared is that of the wellbeing.
In the East you see the weights and can see how it affects their runs. I’d said elsewhere I’d love to know the difference between City Of Troy first the 2000 Guineas when he looked a shell and then a different horse at the derby.
The stable know it and we don’t. We’ve got stride analysis, sectionals etc but the one bit of info not shared is that of the wellbeing.
In the East you see the weights and can see how it affects their runs. I’d said elsewhere I’d love to know the difference between City Of Troy first the 2000 Guineas when he looked a shell and then a different horse at the derby.
We now have an explanation for FOG's run with him being lame but that still doesn't explain how 2 top jockeys misjudged the pace and let the pace setters get away from them. Both on G1 winners beaten by a horse at least 17lbs behind on official ratings. Pace makes the race is an old saying and never more clearly shown than in yesterdays Sussex. Last 2 furlongs were run in 22.6 secs by the winner after slow early fractions. I thought I was being clever by betting without the favourite so Im smarting somewhat.
Rosallion,hope he gets a GP1 on the board this season.Best miler out there
in my book.
in my book.
Richard Hannon is more convinced than ever that Rosallion is the best miler in Europe following last week's narrow Sussex defeat and will give him another chance to prove it in this month's Aga Khan Studs Prix Jacques le Marois.
Richard Hannon announced that the 4-year-old Rosallion, second in the Sussex Stakes (Gr. I) behind the surprise winner Qirat, will be sent to the Aga Khan Studs Jacques le Marois Prize on 17 August in Deauville. Winner of group I at 2 and 3 years old, his coach had hoped that he could add the Sussex Stakes to his list, but while he was the only one to attack the leader, he had to bow by a neck against this underdog who started at 150/1. "He had one of the best performances of his career at Goodwood," said Hannon. It’s frustrating that it didn’t lead to a victory, but that’s how it is. Now, he has recovered well from his outing and is in good shape. The Prix Jacques le Marois is a very well-endowed race that makes stallions. So that’s his next goal, but he also has commitments in York and the Longchamp Moulin.
The Marois is turning out to be a hot race! There are Japanese grade 1 winners entered and everyone who avoided Field Of Gold at Goodwood will be kicking themselves for doing so.
If he is correct it will mean this crop are substandard
I don’t believe that he is a world beater. How many times can you be unlucky before you look around for other factors.
The two Japanese are priced up oddly, he’s fav on another straight track that favours speed.
The two Japanese are priced up oddly, he’s fav on another straight track that favours speed.
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